Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-29 Thread Bill DeCoster
Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I have found when I get one of those flickering pages, I simply click anywhere on the windows task

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-27 Thread Daniel
Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-27 Thread sean nathan bean
Otto Wyss sent me the following:: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-27 Thread Chris Ilias
On 11-10-26 11:18 PM, NoOp wrote: On 11-10-26 1:55 PM, NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with the powers to be here (read that as the list mom) over me

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-27 Thread Jay
On Oct 27, 2:35 pm, Chris Ilias n...@ilias.ca wrote: On 11-10-26 11:18 PM, NoOp wrote: On 11-10-26 1:55 PM, NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/25/11 6:13 AM, Larry wrote: Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel
NoOp wrote: On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Daniel
Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Larry
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/25/11 10:19 AM, Larry wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/25/11 6:13 AM, Larry wrote: Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
NoOp wrote: Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this,

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread WLS
NoOp wrote: Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this,

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
WLS wrote: 76 lines of regurgitated context, followed by There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3? Is it really, Really, REALLY necessary to recirculate 76 lines of previously circulated correspondence, nested to a depth of eight levels, simply in order to adduce this one simple fact ? Do

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
WLS wrote: NoOp wrote: ... I'll now install 2.5.3 check the difference. There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3? Ummm 2.5b3: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 ___

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: WLS wrote: 76 lines of regurgitated context, followed by There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3? Is it really, Really, REALLY necessary to recirculate 76 lines of previously circulated correspondence, nested to a depth of eight levels, simply in

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread WLS
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: WLS wrote: 76 lines of regurgitated context, followed by There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3? Is it really, Really, REALLY necessary to recirculate 76 lines of previously circulated correspondence, nested to a depth of eight levels, simply in

Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

2011-10-26 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with the powers to be here (read that as the list mom) over me requesting others trim etc. (Archives). Hard to imagine how

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread W3BNR
On 10/26/2011 1:55 PM NoOp submitted the following: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: WLS wrote: 76 lines of regurgitated context, followed by There is a 2.5.3, or do you mean 2.5b3? Is it really, Really, REALLY necessary to recirculate 76 lines of previously circulated

Re: Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
On 10/26/2011 11:05 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with the powers to be here (read that as the list mom)

Re: Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

2011-10-26 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
NoOp wrote: Please don't send me direct email, or cc me on your replies - unless of course you purposely intend to take this discussion off group/list. I read the newsgroup just fine don't need additional copies. Thanks. Since I /did/ send it to you (you being NoOp, despite this reply

Re: Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

2011-10-26 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Since I /did/ send it to you (you being NoOp, despite this reply being sent to the list), and did /not/ send it to the list, it would seem reasonable for you to infer that I /did/ intend to take the discussion off list. Apologies, on checking my sent

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Rick Merrill
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Re: SeaMonkey is loosing users -- that would be losing g, loosing means un-tightening. No, that's loosening; loosing is the action of releasing something, as in to loose the dogs of war. Philip Taylor (who sees

Re: Lies etiquette (was : SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page)

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
On 10/26/2011 11:45 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Since I /did/ send it to you (you being NoOp, despite this reply being sent to the list), and did /not/ send it to the list, it would seem reasonable for you to infer that I /did/

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Chris Ilias
On 11-10-26 1:55 PM, NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with the powers to be here (read that as the list mom) over me requesting others trim etc. (Archives). Do

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
On 10/26/2011 06:00 PM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-10-26 1:55 PM, NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with the powers to be here (read that as the list mom) over

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread Chris Ilias
On 11-10-26 9:21 PM, NoOp wrote: On 10/26/2011 06:00 PM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-10-26 1:55 PM, NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty nasty discussions with the powers to be here

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-26 Thread NoOp
On 10/26/2011 07:56 PM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-10-26 9:21 PM, NoOp wrote: On 10/26/2011 06:00 PM, Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-10-26 1:55 PM, NoOp wrote: Well... I usually snip/trim according to: http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html But in the past I've gotten into some pretty

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Daniel
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I do not understand this. SM works

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Otto Wyss
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your start page, perhaps? Give a URL

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Otto Wyss
WLS wrote: How many users have they lost? How many users do you think they have? As a computer specialist I care for the computers of about 10 people. So far I always install them SeaMonkey yet lately 3 asked me to replace SeaMonkey with another browser (Chrome) because of flickering. So my

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread WLS
Otto Wyss wrote: WLS wrote: How many users have they lost? How many users do you think they have? As a computer specialist I care for the computers of about 10 people. So far I always install them SeaMonkey yet lately 3 asked me to replace SeaMonkey with another browser (Chrome) because of

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Larry
Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I do not understand this. SM

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Otto Wyss wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your start page,

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/25/11 6:13 AM, Larry wrote: Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/25/11 5:32 AM, Otto Wyss wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page?

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Rick Merrill
Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? i HAVE seen this happen because of the way a PAGE is described. Some pages setup background(s)

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread PhillipJones
Otto Wyss wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your start page,

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread NoOp
On 10/25/2011 03:43 AM, Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Larry
David E. Ross wrote: On 10/25/11 6:13 AM, Larry wrote: Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Re: SeaMonkey is loosing users -- that would be losing g, loosing means un-tightening. No, that's loosening; loosing is the action of releasing something, as in to loose the dogs of war. Philip Taylor (who sees flickers).

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 25/10/2011 14:34, NoOp told the world: As far as I can tell, it's a Windows build issue. See my comments in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088 Just scrolling up and down that bug report with 2.4.1 on WinXP created screen flicker. No flicker with 2.5.x.

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread NoOp
On 10/25/2011 04:20 PM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 25/10/2011 14:34, NoOp told the world: As far as I can tell, it's a Windows build issue. See my comments in: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=664088 Just scrolling up and down that bug report with 2.4.1 on WinXP

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-25 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/25/11 10:19 AM, Larry wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/25/11 6:13 AM, Larry wrote: Daniel wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users

SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Otto Wyss
This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your start page, perhaps? Give a URL to a page where you see this

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread W3BNR
On 10/24/2011 2:16 AM Otto Wyss submitted the following: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Problem appears to have been fixed on 2.5 -- Ed, W3BNR

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Daniel
to a page where you see this flicker. I've never seen a flicker of any kind, at the rather normal web pages I and my wife visit. We are using 2.4.1 with Ubuntu/GNOME 11.04. I'd more suspect your video driver or something else in your OS. BTS, message header says SeaMonkey flickers horrible when

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread WLS
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:16:45 +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I did not notice this behavior with SeaMonkey 2.4 when I was

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
horrible when first accessing a page so I'm guessing it's a once only effect, or maybe clearing the cache might display the effect. That's why I asked Otto for the URL of his start page. :-) (and I don't remember mention of this problem, but I'm an old guy.) -- -bts -This space for rent

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/23/11 11:16 PM, Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? There are several bug reports on this. Bug #662871 specifically addresses

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Sandy
Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I do not understand this. SM works faultlessly for me and I have limited computer ability and also

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread David E. Ross
On 10/24/11 9:59 AM, Sandy wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? I do not understand this. SM works faultlessly for me and I

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
David E. Ross wrote: Maximize your SeaMoneky window on your monitor. On your menu bar, select [Tools Data Manager]. Without switching tabs or changing the window size, move your cursor over the Data Manager display. You should see flickers as the cursor crosses the edges of panes in the

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread Sandy
I do not understand this. SM works faultlessly for me and I have limited computer ability and also for SWAMBO who has none. Maximize your SeaMoneky window on your monitor. On your menu bar, select [Tools Data Manager]. Without switching tabs or changing the window size, move your cursor

Re: SeaMonkey flickers horrible when first accessing a page

2011-10-24 Thread flyguy
On 10/24/2011 4:00 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Otto Wyss wrote: This has been mentioned several times yet no progress is visble at all. No question SeaMonkey is loosing users because of this, lots of users. Why isn't anyone working on this? Is it always the same page? Your start page,