Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[NoOp]

On 02/17/2009 10:06 AM, Benoit Renard wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> :-) didn't say that the 350Mhz runs fast... just said I have Ubuntu
>> running on one. Xubuntu works better for that machine.
> 
> I tried Xubuntu on the same machine. It was still a little slow.
> 
>> However, a 500Mhz with 768MB is quite reasonable; yes a little slow
>> (my main system was only 450Mhz for quite some time), but if you're
>> working with that machine now, you're used to waiting a bit anyway.
> 
> No. A 500 Mhz machine with Win98 flies. The point is that Ubuntu is not 
> an upgrade when it comes to performance.

No, the applications integrated into the OS and designed to work
specifically with the OS flies (no dispute from me there).

However, *SeaMonkey* (which is the object of this thread) should perform
equally well, if not better on Ubuntu. I can't test as I've only
Win2KPro (running on a virtual machine) and higher & I've have to clean
out the garage to find a win98 cd (or floppies).


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Stéphane Grégoire]

Hi,
Benoit Renard a tapoté, le 17.02.2009 19:06:

I tried Xubuntu on the same machine. It was still a little slow.


Have you tried lxde on Ubuntu 8.10?


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

Robert Kaiser wrote:
"bug free"? Win98? really? Well, if you count knowing the workarounds to 
most bugs as that, perhaps.


Don't let yourself fool by popular knowledge. A Win98SE system that's 
setup well is reasonably bug free.


"reasonably well performing"? Have you tried openSUSE, ubuntu or similar 
Linux distributions?


I had Ubuntu on a 350 Mhz machine, and it was very, very slow. Slower 
than Win95 on my 233 Mhz machine. GNU/Linux is not as good as Win9x when 
it comes to performance, which is mainly due to hungry window managers 
like Gnome and KDE, and the insanity that is the X-Window system.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

NoOp wrote:

:-) didn't say that the 350Mhz runs fast... just said I have Ubuntu
running on one. Xubuntu works better for that machine.


I tried Xubuntu on the same machine. It was still a little slow.


However, a 500Mhz with 768MB is quite reasonable; yes a little slow
(my main system was only 450Mhz for quite some time), but if you're
working with that machine now, you're used to waiting a bit anyway.


No. A 500 Mhz machine with Win98 flies. The point is that Ubuntu is not 
an upgrade when it comes to performance.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

John Boyle wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:



For the WIN98 and the SM 2.xxx look at the Philip Chee suggestion:
"Install KernelEx. This should allow you to install and run SeaMonkey
2.0a trunk builds on Windows98se."

To ALL: How about using FREERAM OR SOME OTHER RAM MEMORY CONTROLLER FOR
WIN 98, WHICH I DO NOT USE! :-(


because freeRam and kernelEx are two different things. 
 FreeRam has to do with freeing up ram, while the 
kernelEx has to do with the operating sytems itself. 
The major difference between win98 and win2000 and 
winxp and vista is the kernel. Its also what make win98 
different from a linux or mac.


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[John Boyle]

Ray_Net wrote:
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
 System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
 I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
 performance has degraded abysmally!
 Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
 that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
 allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
 1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
 When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
 cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
 For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
 check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
 and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
 commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
 When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
 minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

 (By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
 MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
 Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
 Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
 in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)

>>>
>>> Return to SM 1.0.7 
>>
>> Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
>> Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
>> since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.
> Sorry for that, but i cannot see another issue for SM 1.xxx
>
> For the WIN98 and the SM 2.xxx look at the Philip Chee suggestion:
> "Install KernelEx. This should allow you to install and run SeaMonkey
> 2.0a trunk builds on Windows98se."
To ALL: How about using FREERAM OR SOME OTHER RAM MEMORY CONTROLLER FOR
WIN 98, WHICH I DO NOT USE! :-(
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[NoOp]

On 02/16/2009 03:12 AM, Benoit Renard wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> Performance will be very reasonable;
> 
> Not with Ubuntu and Gnome. Ran very slow on my 350 Mhz machine. That's 
> not too different from a 500 Mhz one.

:-) didn't say that the 350Mhz runs fast... just said I have Ubuntu
running on one. Xubuntu works better for that machine. However, a 500Mhz
with 768MB is quite reasonable; yes a little slow (my main system was
only 450Mhz for quite some time), but if you're working with that
machine now, you're used to waiting a bit anyway.


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Robert Kaiser]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

I'd like to be running something that's reasonably well performing
and bug free.


"bug free"? Win98? really? Well, if you count knowing the workarounds to 
most bugs as that, perhaps.


"reasonably well performing"? Have you tried openSUSE, ubuntu or similar 
Linux distributions? They usually give you security, good performance 
and reasonably few bugs all at once.
Sure, re-training yourself to different operating system semantics and 
surroundings and maybe even different applications for day-to-day 
operation might take some time and not be what you want to do. But it's 
worth a try.


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

NoOp wrote:

Performance will be very reasonable;


Not with Ubuntu and Gnome. Ran very slow on my 350 Mhz machine. That's 
not too different from a 500 Mhz one.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.


Well, Win98 has been abandoned by its creator for a long time now and 
doesn't get any further security fixes itself, so I see no reason for 
providing security updates to random applications running there when the 
operating system itself doesn't get fixes to its known security flaws 
any more.


Robert Kaiser

Well security is not the only thing that I'm looking for.
I'd like to be running something that's reasonably well performing
and bug free. I might have hoped that 2.x (If it ran on win98)
might have some of the annoyances fixed without introducing
too many new, and wonderful, bugs.
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Ray_Net]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
performance has degraded abysmally!
Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

(By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)



Return to SM 1.0.7 


Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.

Sorry for that, but i cannot see another issue for SM 1.xxx

For the WIN98 and the SM 2.xxx look at the Philip Chee suggestion:
"Install KernelEx. This should allow you to install and run SeaMonkey
2.0a trunk builds on Windows98se."
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[NoOp]

On 02/14/2009 08:04 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:
> NoOp wrote:

>> Should work just fine - I've run on much slower machines (I actually
>> have a 350Mhz laptop running w/Ubuntu 8.04). But with a machine that old
>> I'd recommend using 8.04 rather than 8.10. 8.10 is fine for most, but
>> 8.04 is a bit more stable on older systems (IMO). I'd also recommend to
>> download and install from the Alternate CD:
>> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
>> 
>> Use the LiveCD to to test without affecting your system, but some users
>> have experienced install issues with liveCD's. I've yet to have an
>> install issue with the Alternate CD.
>> 
>> @Rostyslaw: you can dualboot, but in order to do so you'll reasonably
>> need 10GB of hard drive partition to do so. You can do it in about 4GB,
>> but you'll quickly run out of space once you start adding all the cool
>> applications that are available w/linux.
>> 
>> 
> Thank you for the suggestions, both you and Stephane and Phillip Chee.
> System is 500Mhz P3, 768MB memory, with SCSI. C: & D: are each 8GB.
> C: has 2.5GB available and D: has ~6GB.
> I suppose that I'll have to learn how to read news running SM from an
> Ubuntu LiveCD.
> So what's the feedback on the expected performance of such a lash up?
> Is it likely to be better or worse than the 1.1.14 on my base 98se
> system? The current system doesn't actually crash. It just has
> deteriorated to the speed of a sluggish snail.

Backup whatever you have on D (and C) and install 8.04 to D - let it
have the entire drive. It will automatically identify your Win98 on
drive C and create a dual-boot entry in grub (the boot loader). After
the install is complete, it will reboot & give you menu for both. After
you boot into Ubuntu, install SeaMonkey (post back when you get to that
stage & we'll show you how to do that); you'll be able to copy your
existing Win98 SeaMonkey over to your Ubuntu/linux .mozilla directory.
With a few minor edits, you'll be good as new. After that gets working
you can install SM 2.x in parallel (it won't affect your 1.1.14) so you
can become familiar with the new generation.

Performance will be very reasonable; you'll have a large learning curve,
but once settled in I doubt that you'll spend much time booting into
Win98. All of that is OT for this group, so if you do decide to take the
leap, let me know off group (drop the .invalid at the end of my email
address) and I'll be happy to help guide you through it.
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Benoit Renard wrote:
 Plug-ins can cause memory leaks. So can extensions. Suggesting 
to reboot is not a good solution either way.


well, so far you haven't come up with a suggestion.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

It's also worth noting that there are barely any known security 
vulnerabilities in the first place.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

I see no reason for providing security updates to random applications
running there when the operating system itself doesn't get fixes to its
known security flaws any more.


It does get security fixes. Just not officially.
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

So, trying to find a solution to the memory leak, you won't find it with
SM 1.x


There are always possible solutions that don't necessitate developer 
effort. Plug-ins can cause memory leaks. So can extensions. Suggesting 
to reboot is not a good solution either way.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Robert Kaiser]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.


Well, Win98 has been abandoned by its creator for a long time now and 
doesn't get any further security fixes itself, so I see no reason for 
providing security updates to random applications running there when the 
operating system itself doesn't get fixes to its known security flaws 
any more.


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

NoOp wrote:

On 02/14/2009 01:16 AM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:

Hi,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a tapoté, le 14.02.2009 02:43:

Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.
May you can try a Linux Live CD, you have a lot of memory it may work 
fine ; Win 98 is a little bit old.






Stéphane


Should work just fine - I've run on much slower machines (I actually
have a 350Mhz laptop running w/Ubuntu 8.04). But with a machine that old
I'd recommend using 8.04 rather than 8.10. 8.10 is fine for most, but
8.04 is a bit more stable on older systems (IMO). I'd also recommend to
download and install from the Alternate CD:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/

Use the LiveCD to to test without affecting your system, but some users
have experienced install issues with liveCD's. I've yet to have an
install issue with the Alternate CD.

@Rostyslaw: you can dualboot, but in order to do so you'll reasonably
need 10GB of hard drive partition to do so. You can do it in about 4GB,
but you'll quickly run out of space once you start adding all the cool
applications that are available w/linux.



Thank you for the suggestions, both you and Stephane and Phillip Chee.
System is 500Mhz P3, 768MB memory, with SCSI. C: & D: are each 8GB.
C: has 2.5GB available and D: has ~6GB.
I suppose that I'll have to learn how to read news running SM from an
Ubuntu LiveCD.
So what's the feedback on the expected performance of such a lash up?
Is it likely to be better or worse than the 1.1.14 on my base 98se
system? The current system doesn't actually crash. It just has
deteriorated to the speed of a sluggish snail.
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[NoOp]

On 02/14/2009 01:16 AM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote:
> Hi,
> Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a tapoté, le 14.02.2009 02:43:
>> Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
>> Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
>> since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.
> 
> May you can try a Linux Live CD, you have a lot of memory it may work 
> fine ; Win 98 is a little bit old.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stéphane

Should work just fine - I've run on much slower machines (I actually
have a 350Mhz laptop running w/Ubuntu 8.04). But with a machine that old
I'd recommend using 8.04 rather than 8.10. 8.10 is fine for most, but
8.04 is a bit more stable on older systems (IMO). I'd also recommend to
download and install from the Alternate CD:
http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/

Use the LiveCD to to test without affecting your system, but some users
have experienced install issues with liveCD's. I've yet to have an
install issue with the Alternate CD.

@Rostyslaw: you can dualboot, but in order to do so you'll reasonably
need 10GB of hard drive partition to do so. You can do it in about 4GB,
but you'll quickly run out of space once you start adding all the cool
applications that are available w/linux.


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:24:09 -0500, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

>> 5. Smoke testing 2.0a3, 2.0b1 and 2.0RC1 will need smoketesting before
>> released for download, and on all three (win/nix/mac) platforms. Even if
>> you can't code, even if you can't triage, surely you can spare a couple
>> of hours to run candidate builds through their paces and help us catch
>> last minute problems.
>> 
> I'm on Windows 98se. So tell me how I can help. :-)

Install KernelEx. This should allow you to install and run SeaMonkey
2.0a trunk builds on Windows98se.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Benoit Renard wrote:

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are concentrating their 
efforts on SM2, and couldn't careless about the 1.1 series. So, the 
only option I can say is to reboot every now and then.


How about making a post that helps? Especially the first sentence 
doesn't help at all.


as we both know, the 1.1 series isn't being worked on, 
except for security and major bug fixes. The devs don't 
care about the 1.1 series.  So, if you're stuck on 
anything older than win2000 [win95 in your case], then 
you're up the creek.  So, trying to find a solution to 
the memory leak, you won't find it with SM 1.x


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Benoit Renard]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are concentrating their 
efforts on SM2, and couldn't careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only 
option I can say is to reboot every now and then.


How about making a post that helps? Especially the first sentence 
doesn't help at all.

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Philip Chee wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:05:57 -0800, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are 
concentrating their efforts on SM2, and couldn't 
careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only option I 
can say is to reboot every now and then.


Let's clarify this:

1. 1.1 is in maintenance mode. This means that only security and
stability fixes are allowed.

2. Most of the memory leaks are in Core (Gecko 1.8.1) and the /core/
developers aren't even looking at 1.8.1 since they are currently working
on 1.9.2. Leaks may be fixed in 1.9.1 or 1.9.0 but 1.8.1 is three
generations ago from their point of view and they probably can't
remember how things used to work that far back.


Right. You've abandoned me here, since you won't be putting the new
Gecko into 1.1 . Also who knows, the memory leaks and performance
downgrades may be the Gecko 1.9.x code anyway.


3. The SeaMonkey team is comparatively small being 100% volunteer driven
and with our limited resources we need to focus on getting 2.0 out of
the door. Already some long time Suite/SeaMonkey users are getting
impatient and threatening to defect to Firefox/Thunderbird. So far we've
managed to keep them in line by dangling 2.0a3pre nightly builds at them
but at some time we need to deliver a working stable 2.0.

... going off topic ...

4. You can help us even if you don't know how to code, you can help us
triage bugs. Yes I know this is a mind numbing brain cell destroying
process and people run screaming away every time I mention this but this
is one area that we are very short of. Thunderbird can afford to employ
QA wage slaves who have no choice but to do this, we can't.

5. Smoke testing 2.0a3, 2.0b1 and 2.0RC1 will need smoketesting before
released for download, and on all three (win/nix/mac) platforms. Even if
you can't code, even if you can't triage, surely you can spare a couple
of hours to run candidate builds through their paces and help us catch
last minute problems.


I'm on Windows 98se. So tell me how I can help. :-)

Phil


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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Stéphane Grégoire]

Hi,
Rostyslaw Lewyckyj a tapoté, le 14.02.2009 02:43:

Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.


May you can try a Linux Live CD, you have a lot of memory it may work 
fine ; Win 98 is a little bit old.






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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Philip Chee]

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:05:57 -0800, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

> I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are 
> concentrating their efforts on SM2, and couldn't 
> careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only option I 
> can say is to reboot every now and then.

Let's clarify this:

1. 1.1 is in maintenance mode. This means that only security and
stability fixes are allowed.

2. Most of the memory leaks are in Core (Gecko 1.8.1) and the /core/
developers aren't even looking at 1.8.1 since they are currently working
on 1.9.2. Leaks may be fixed in 1.9.1 or 1.9.0 but 1.8.1 is three
generations ago from their point of view and they probably can't
remember how things used to work that far back.

3. The SeaMonkey team is comparatively small being 100% volunteer driven
and with our limited resources we need to focus on getting 2.0 out of
the door. Already some long time Suite/SeaMonkey users are getting
impatient and threatening to defect to Firefox/Thunderbird. So far we've
managed to keep them in line by dangling 2.0a3pre nightly builds at them
but at some time we need to deliver a working stable 2.0.

... going off topic ...

4. You can help us even if you don't know how to code, you can help us
triage bugs. Yes I know this is a mind numbing brain cell destroying
process and people run screaming away every time I mention this but this
is one area that we are very short of. Thunderbird can afford to employ
QA wage slaves who have no choice but to do this, we can't.

5. Smoke testing 2.0a3, 2.0b1 and 2.0RC1 will need smoketesting before
released for download, and on all three (win/nix/mac) platforms. Even if
you can't code, even if you can't triage, surely you can spare a couple
of hours to run candidate builds through their paces and help us catch
last minute problems.

Phil

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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Ray_Net wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
performance has degraded abysmally!
Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

(By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)



Return to SM 1.0.7 


Thank you very much for the progressive 'tongue in cheek' advice.
Well soon the SMs I can use will be completely dead end anyways,
since the 2.x versions won't work with WIN98.
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Ray_Net]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
performance has degraded abysmally!
Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

(By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)



Return to SM 1.0.7 
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Rostyslaw Lewyckyj]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
performance has degraded abysmally!
Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

(By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)



I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are concentrating their 
efforts on SM2, and couldn't careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only 
option I can say is to reboot every now and then.



Like every 10 minutes? :-(
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Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

System is Win98se on a 500Mhz Pentium 3 with ~760Mb of memory.
I just last week updated to from SM 1.0.7 to 1.1.14. and newsreader
performance has degraded abysmally!
Watching the behaviour with the system performance monitor, I notice
that system memory almost invariably gets 100% allocated, even over
allocated, with unused physical memory being depleted down to under
1Mb !!!. Everything slows down to a crawl.
When I connect to a news server, the system goes through a slow
cycle of checking each of the subscribed news groups for new messages.
For newsgroups.bellsouth.net. this is done in very bursty mode. i.e.
check 2-5 groups pause, with the pauses sometimes being 10-15 sec long
and even longer. In the meantime the system stops reacting to any
commands, such as to switch windows/processes.
When I switch newsgroups cpu goes 100% busy sometimes for several
minutes and the disk drive light sometimes goes wild.

(By the way, I have! shut off! Java in my profile as per a report by
MR Zeitz that setting Java on will kill newsreader performance. See
Re: Enabling Java makes mail and news sluggish,  posted on 2/2/2009
Message-ID: <6uo04cfgdi5...@mid.individual.net>
in the news group netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey)



I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are 
concentrating their efforts on SM2, and couldn't 
careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only option I 
can say is to reboot every now and then.


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