Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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On 3/31/2020 1:20 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
...
I would also expect all sites delivering Flash content to modernize 
their sites before that deadline.


Let's hope so. They will probably wait until the last minute or next 
year to do that. Our coronavirus crisis isn't helping too. :(

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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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On 3/31/20 3:56 PM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:

On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:

Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?



Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.





https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4520411/adobe-flash-end-of-support



"In December 2020, Flash support will be completely removed from 
consumer versions of Firefox."


REF: 

I would expect any version of SeaMonkey released past that date to no 
longer support Flash.


I would also expect all sites delivering Flash content to modernize 
their sites before that deadline.


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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> > 
> 
> Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
> that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.
> 
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> 
> 
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> if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
> Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
> Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
> the agency within the National Security Council tasked to
> provide early warnings about epidemics and pandemics.
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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4520411/adobe-flash-end-of-support
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[will . winford]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> > 
> 
> Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
> that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.
> 
> -- 
> David E. Ross
> 
> 
> Would the United States be more prepared to deal with COVID-19
> if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
> Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
> Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
> the agency within the National Security Council tasked to
> provide early warnings about epidemics and pandemics.
> 
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Understood.. But it was not 100% until Microsoft released on (September 9, 
2019) that it will pull it from IE and Edge (just rebuilt on the chromium 
platform that hate flash to say the least.. It will still kinda render SWF file 
but completely ignores CFSWF files. )
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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Understood.. But it was not 100% until Microsoft released on (September 9, 
2019) that it will pull it from IE and Edge (just rebuilt on the chromium 
platform that hate flash to say the least.. It will still kinda render SWF file 
but completely ignores CFSWF files. )
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[will . winford]

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:44:19 PM UTC-4, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> > 
> 
> Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
> that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.
> 
> -- 
> David E. Ross
> 
> 
> Would the United States be more prepared to deal with COVID-19
> if President Trump had not cut the budgets of the National
> Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
> Directorate for Global Health and Security and Bio-Defense,
> the agency within the National Security Council tasked to
> provide early warnings about epidemics and pandemics.
> 
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Re: Flash Player and SeaMonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 3/31/2020 11:25 AM, will.winf...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will sea monkey continue to support flash play past 2020?
> 

Adobe, the current developer of Flash, announced almost three years ago
that development and distribution of Flash would cease the end of 2020.

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and Prevention (CDC)?  His administration also eliminated the
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Flash Player and SeaMonkey

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/29/2020 9:30 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
either. Do you have any idea why?



I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.



Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does
nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing
ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the
context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only
highlights that selection.

Any ideas,

Danny




When you highlight the item by left-clicking, do not release the left
mouse button.  You should then be able to drag the item.




I have resolved the problem! I upgraded PrefBar from Version 7.0.1 to 
Version 7.1.1. I can now drag and drop items in the list and move them.


Thank you for your help,

Danny


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/29/2020 9:30 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
either. Do you have any idea why?



I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.



Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does
nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing
ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the
context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only
highlights that selection.

Any ideas,

Danny




When you highlight the item by left-clicking, do not release the left
mouse button.  You should then be able to drag the item.



I know how drag and drop works, it just does not do it. What I need is a 
resolution to why it does not work.


Thank you for your help,

Danny



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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/29/2020 9:30 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
>>>
 On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:

> David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I believe the preference variable is
>>  media.autoplay.enabled
>> If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.
>>
>> At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does 
>> seem
>> to work.
>
> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
> still be
> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There 
> are a few
> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even 
> after you
> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button 
> to
> toggle the setting.

 By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is 
 a
 video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
 checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
 video plays.
>>>
>>> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
>>> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
>>> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
>>>
>>
>> It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
>> checkboxes is easy.
>>
>> If you want my checkbox, do the following:
>>
>> 1.  Go to .
>>
>> 2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
>> the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
>> you want to download the file.
>>
>> 3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
>> in the pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
>> window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
>> pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
>> HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.
>>
>> 6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
>> list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
>> will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.
>>
>> With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
>> checkmark, it is disabled.
>>
>> After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
>> HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
>> remove the file from my Web site.
>>
>
> I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
> everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
> move up the list?
>
> What am I overlooking?
>
> Thank you,
> Danny
>

 See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
 step #3.


>>>
>>> Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
>>> it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
>>> either. Do you have any idea why?
>>>
>>
>> I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
>> tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
>> able to move it.
>>
>> Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
>> Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
>> you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
>> arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
>> you release the left mouse button.
>>
>> NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
>> vice-versa.
>>
> 
> Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does 
> nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing 
> ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the 
> context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only 
> highlights that selection.
> 
> Any ideas,
> 
> Danny
> 
> 

When you highlight the item by left-clicking, do not release the left
mouse button.  You should then be able to drag the item.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag
either. Do you have any idea why?



I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.



Thank you for you help in this matter! Left click and dragging does 
nothing, whether I'm in the Available Items or Enabled Items, nothing 
ever follows the the mouse pointer. I can right click and get the 
context menu for edit,coy, delete and so-forth. Left click only 
highlights that selection.


Any ideas,

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/28/2020 8:42 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
 On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
>
>> On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
>>
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
 I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
 If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

 At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
 to work.
>>>
>>> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
>>> still be
>>> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There 
>>> are a few
>>> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even 
>>> after you
>>> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
>>> toggle the setting.
>>
>> By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
>> video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
>> checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
>> video plays.
>
> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
>

 It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
 checkboxes is easy.

 If you want my checkbox, do the following:

 1.  Go to .

 2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
 the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
 you want to download the file.

 3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
 in the pull-down context menu.

 4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
 window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
 pull-down context menu.

 5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
 HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

 6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
 list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
 will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

 With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
 checkmark, it is disabled.

 After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
 HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
 remove the file from my Web site.

>>>
>>> I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
>>> everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
>>> move up the list?
>>>
>>> What am I overlooking?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Danny
>>>
>>
>> See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
>> step #3.
>>
>>
> 
> Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it 
> it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag 
> either. Do you have any idea why?
> 

I just now tried it, and I was able to move a button by dragging it.  I
tried it again, specifically with the HTML5 Media checkbox; and I was
able to move it.

Oops!!  My error  You have to left-click on the item under Enabled
Items, not right-click.  As you drag the item, the cursor is an arrow;
you should see a small rectangular outline attached to the bottom of the
arrow.  The destination of the item will at the point of the arrow when
you release the left mouse button.

NOTE:  You can also drag from Available Items to Enabled Items or
vice-versa.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I
move up the list?

What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny



See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.




Yes, I saw that but though I misunderstood, because when I click on it 
it will not drag. If I click on any of the other they will not drag 
either. Do you have any idea why?

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/27/2020 3:03 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
>>> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
>>>
 On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:

> David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> I believe the preference variable is
>>  media.autoplay.enabled
>> If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.
>>
>> At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
>> to work.
>
> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
> still be
> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are 
> a few
> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after 
> you
> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
> toggle the setting.

 By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
 video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
 checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
 video plays.
>>>
>>> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
>>> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
>>> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
>>>
>>
>> It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
>> checkboxes is easy.
>>
>> If you want my checkbox, do the following:
>>
>> 1.  Go to .
>>
>> 2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
>> the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
>> you want to download the file.
>>
>> 3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
>> in the pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
>> window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
>> pull-down context menu.
>>
>> 5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
>> HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.
>>
>> 6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
>> list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
>> will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.
>>
>> With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
>> checkmark, it is disabled.
>>
>> After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
>> HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
>> remove the file from my Web site.
>>
> 
> I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and 
> everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I 
> move up the list?
> 
> What am I overlooking?
> 
> Thank you,
> Danny
> 

See my step #6.  You do that in the PrefBar window that was launched in
step #3.


-- 
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Autoplay on/off is in the preferences of 2.53.1 b1 preferences (was: Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems)

[Paul Bergsagel]

If you are running SeaMonkey 2.53.1 b1 you can easily turn autoplay 
using the preferences.  Open Preferences and click on Appearance->Media 
and uncheck the box "Enable Autoplay of HTML5 media content".


alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should 
still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There 
are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even 
after you

click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?




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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

David E. Ross wrote:

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?



It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.



I have gone to your site and download HTML_media.btn and installed and 
everything went great. However, it is at the bottom of the list how do I 
move up the list?


What am I overlooking?

Thank you,
Danny




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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[alexyu]

Hi, David E. Ross! Thanks for writing, on 27 Feb 20 02:00:


On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:


David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.


It's been a long time since I changed anything in my PrefBar, but I do 
know about its possibilities; by the way you described it, I didn't know 
if this was a 'PrefBar standard option' which I had neglected to add, or 
one added later (in this case, I now know, by yourself).


Thanks also for your generous offer:


If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.


As I said, it's been years since I last customized PrefBar, so I didn't 
even remember where my 'PrefBar addons' were stored.  Turns out I had a 
folder named "PrefBar Buttons"... with none for video, as was to be 
expected.



3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.


I've added your "HTML5_media.btn"; I suppose none of the other files in 
your "(http://www.rossde.com/)test" folder have anything to do with 
this, so I left them alone; thanks once more.


After a 'trip down memory lane', I remembered that I do have an 
installed extension for this, but it's been ages since I last saw it in 
use; it's "YouTube Flash Video Player" 54.0.1, from Baris Derin; It 
offers 2 options, "HTML5 Video Player" & "Flash Video Player", but I 
don't remember if there's some way to toggle them without opening the 
addon's Options, which makes it rather inconvenient (and is probably why 
I forgot about it); as far as I can recall, during a phase, some time 
ago, I did try both options and, not noticing any significant change, 
dropped the matter.


My "media.autoplay.enabled" Pref is set to 'false', but the addon option 
is set to "HTML5 Video Player", so I don't know what SM makes of that; 
possibly, the Pref has precedence, which might explain why I didn't 
notice any difference when switching the options...


I currently use the "Video Downloader Professional" 1.97.37.1 extension 
(for video downloads, natch, but it doesn't always work for YouTube); 
previously, I used "Video Downloader Helper", but some time ago switched 
to the current one.  However, when it can't DL a video, good old "Clip 
Grab" usually saves the day.


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/26/2020 9:32 AM, alexyu wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:
> 
>> On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
>>
>>> David E. Ross wrote:
>>>
 I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
 If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

 At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
 to work.
>>>
>>> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still 
>>> be
>>> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a 
>>> few
>>> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after 
>>> you
>>> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
>>> toggle the setting.
>>
>> By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
>> video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
>> checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
>> video plays.
> 
> How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
> that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
> the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?
> 

It is a checkbox that I created and added to PrefBar.  Creating such
checkboxes is easy.

If you want my checkbox, do the following:

1.  Go to .

2.  Right-click on HTML5_media.btn, select "Save Link Target As" from
the pull-down context menu, and indicate in the resulting window where
you want to download the file.

3.  Right-click on the PrefBar tool bar, and select "Customize PrefBar"
in the pull-down context menu.

4.  In the list of PrefBar objects on the right side of the PrefBar
window, under Enabled Items, right-click and select Import in the
pull-down context menu.

5.  In the resulting window, navigate to where you saved
HTML5_media.btn, select the file, and then select the Open button.

6.  The checkbox will have been added to the bottom of the Enabled Items
list as "HTML5 Media".  You can drag it up to another position, which
will determine where on the PrefBar toolbar it will appear.

With a checkmark in the checkbox, HTML5 media is enabled.  With no
checkmark, it is disabled.

After inporting the checkbox into PrefBar, you can deleted the
HTML5_media.btn file from where you downloaded it.  In two weeks, I will
remove the file from my Web site.

-- 
David E. Ross


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represent the ultimate in ultra-processed foods.  Real
meat is natural.  Beyond Meat is definitely not.  No,
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[EE]

alexyu wrote:

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have that 
option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at the time of 
installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


I have an extension called Autoplay Toggle which provides me with a toolbar 
button to toggle autoplay.  It is still on the Thunderbird addons site.

https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/seamonkey/addon/autoplay-toggle-nonrestartless

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[alexyu]

David E. Ross wrote, on 25 Feb 20 19:48:


On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:


David E. Ross wrote:


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to
toggle the setting.


By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.


How do you change "autoplay.enabled" (or not) in PrefBar?  I don't have 
that option in my 'PrefBar Options'...  Is that one I didn't include at 
the time of installation -- and how can I get in my PrefBar now?


--
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s) alexyu   



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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/25/2020 2:27 PM, EE wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>> I believe the preference variable is
>>  media.autoplay.enabled
>> If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.
>>
>> At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
>> to work.
> 
> That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still 
> be 
> a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a 
> few 
> sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you 
> click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to 
> toggle the setting.
> 

By default, I have media.autoplay.enabled set to false.  When there is a
video I want to play, I use PrefBar to change it to true (selecting a
checkbox on the PrefBar tool bar).  I then reload the Web page, and the
video plays.

With media.autoplay.enabled set to false, I just now loaded a YouTube
Web page with Bizet's L'Arlésienne Suites No. 1 & No. 2.  There was no
button to start the video.  I then changed media.autoplay.enabled to
true, but there still was no way to play the video.  The video started
after I reloaded the Web page; at that point, buttons did appear.

-- 
David E. Ross


Beyond Meat and other such vegetarian meat substitutes
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[EE]

David E. Ross wrote:

I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


That is not strictly true.  HTML5 autoplay is disabled.  There should still be 
a play button you can click to get it to play, in most cases.  There are a few 
sites where you need autoplay enabled to get the video to play even after you 
click the play button, but I have an extension that gives me a button to 
toggle the setting.


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[NFN Smith]

Danny Kile wrote:


Issue was resolved by restoring a backup copy of my user profile file. I 
have no idea why this all started with an upgrade to Adobe Flash Player.


Thank you for those that replied,



Glad to see that it's working again.

Going one step further, I think chances are pretty high that you don't 
need Flash at all, and it's likely to be safe to uninstall entirely.


I removed Flash a couple of years ago, and I've only seen a couple of 
sites that complain about Flash not being available, and they're not 
ones that I care about delivering video content.  I've had no problems 
at all with YouTube and not having Flash installed.


With proprietary video players, I've found that it's generally best to 
uninstall everything, unless you know that you have specific need for 
one. If you encounter a site that requires a specific player, they'll be 
quick to let you know (and generally offer you a link for a download). 
But until you know you need a specific player, you don't need it.


If the only reason that you have Flash is for YouTube, I suggest that 
you uninstall it.  One less potential security issue, and one less thing 
that you have to maintain with timely updates.


Smith

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


Issue was resolved by restoring a backup copy of my user profile file. I 
have no idea why this all started with an upgrade to Adobe Flash Player.


Thank you for those that replied,

Danny
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 11:29 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...


I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.


OK. Yeah, I have both of those. I use PrefBar to toggle between. I hope 
I can do the same in v2.53 and newer versions.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[David E. Ross]

On 2/24/2020 10:07 PM, Ant wrote:
> On 2/24/2020 9:58 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:
>> Danny Kile wrote:
>>> I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is
>>>
>>> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
>>> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0
>>>
>>> I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
>>> Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
>>> broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.
>>>
>>> When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
>>> new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
>>> knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.
>>>
>>> It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
>>> you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of 
>>> the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to 
>>> are gray.
>>>
>>> I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
>>> What course of action do I need to take here?
>>>
>>> Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
>>> same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
>>> over.
>>>
>>> Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.
>>>
>>> Danny,
>>
>> If it were me I would try some other UA.
>> If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
>> If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
>> I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.
> 
> I don't see media.html5video.blocked in my SM v2.49.5's about:config list.
> 

I believe the preference variable is
media.autoplay.enabled
If false, HTML5 media is disabled.  If true, HTML5 media is enabled.

At least, this is how I control HTML5 media via PrefBar.  It does seem
to work.

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Re: Best version of Adobe Flash Player

[David E. Ross]

On 2/24/2020 9:17 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
> What is the best version of Adobe Flash Player to run on Windows 7 Home 
> Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Danny
> 

Adobe's corporate blog indicates that Flash will no longer be maintained
or distributed after the end of 2020.  See
<https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/>.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Ant wrote:

On 2/24/2020 9:58 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All 
of the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they 
to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


If it were me I would try some other UA.
If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.


I don't see media.html5video.blocked in my SM v2.49.5's about:config list.


Oh!  That must have been one of the changes between 2.49.3 and .5
Thanks for the heads up.  Either that or I added it.
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 9:58 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of 
the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to 
are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


If it were me I would try some other UA.
If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.


I don't see media.html5video.blocked in my SM v2.49.5's about:config list.
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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 8:31 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

 > Anyways, my updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others 
use HTML5 for videos.



Where are the setting to to disable Flash and the use HTML5 instead?


Hmm, I don't think YouTube uses Flash anymore. Can you try a brand new 
SeaMonkey profile (Profile Manager shortcut in W7's Start Menu) and see 
if you still have this problem?

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Re: Best version of Adobe Flash Player

[Ant]

On 2/24/2020 9:17 PM, Danny Kile wrote:
What is the best version of Adobe Flash Player to run on Windows 7 Home 
Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5?


Danny, the (lat/new)est version from https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/. 
Currently, it is at 32.0.0.330. FYI, Adobe usually release a new version 
every second Tuesday of each month. Once in a while, there is no new 
version and a new version not on the second Tuesday of the month.

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,


If it were me I would try some other UA.
If that did not work then I would do a system restore.
If you want html5: about:config:  media.html5video.blocked  set to false.
I block html5 due to its intrusiveness.
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Best version of Adobe Flash Player

[Danny Kile]

What is the best version of Adobe Flash Player to run on Windows 7 Home 
Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5?


Thank you,

Danny

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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

Ant wrote:
I have a similar setup, but noticed your SM's UA is different compared 
to my "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5). Why is your Firefox at v69 and not its 
default v52 and Windows NT6.1? Did you change its UA? Anyways, my 
updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others use HTML5 for 
videos. I rarely use Flash these days unless the web sites require it.



On 2/24/2020 6:59 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the 
new version and went to my archives and installed a version that I 
knew worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things 
you may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of 
the web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to 
are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the 
same driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me 
over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

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I change my UA for Firefox/52.0.


> Anyways, my updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others 
use HTML5 for videos.



Where are the setting to to disable Flash and the use HTML5 instead?


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Re: Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Ant]

I have a similar setup, but noticed your SM's UA is different compared 
to my "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.5). Why is your Firefox at v69 and not its 
default v52 and Windows NT6.1? Did you change its UA? Anyways, my 
updated Flash is mostly disabled so YouTube and others use HTML5 for 
videos. I rarely use Flash these days unless the web sites require it.



On 2/24/2020 6:59 PM, Danny Kile wrote:

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

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Flash Player and YouTube Problems

[Danny Kile]

I am running Windows 7 Home Premium and SeaMonkey 2.49.5 UserAgent is

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:69.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/69.0


I recently got a message from Adobe saying I needed to upgrade Flash 
Player. Well, stupid me said OK. (What's that old saying if it ain't 
broke don't fix it. Well, it was not broke put now it is.


When I went to YouTube it would not play any videos. Uninstalled the new 
version and went to my archives and installed a version that I knew 
worked. Well that did not fix the problem.


It show all the recommended boxes that should play reviews of things you 
may want to see. However, all the boxes are are gray boxes. All of the 
web site is mostly gray there are link and radio buttons they to are gray.


I uninstalled that version and now I have no flash player installed. 
What course of action do I need to take here?


Drive Booster says all my drivers are up to date. Plus they are the same 
driver I was using when it was working, before Adobe screwed me over.


Thank you for any help you maybe able to give.

Danny,
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Re: Seamonkey crashing Flash Player

[Gunneric]

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 6:40:05 PM UTC-7, Gunneric wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> This just started with the last update of Seamonkey, but I'm getting the 
> flash player container hanging and crashing Seamonkey.
> 
> I know a few iterations ago of Seamonkey, there was a fix. But for the life 
> of me I can't figure it out now.
> 
> Since then I've gone over to a new computer, though I've moved my profile, I 
> doubt that the fix carried over with the profile.
> 
> Anyone remember how to fix Flash Player container crashing?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Eric

It happens on all pages that have flash.

I think it has something to do with the Lastpass plugin, but I've replicated 
the previous instructions, to remove LastPass from Seamonkey/Firefox that had 
been received from Seamonkey plugin page, unfortunately Lastpass.com tries to 
instal using the plugin manager as well.  I was able to find a stand alone 
installer, but it doesn't include seamonkey in the "Select Browser to instal 
in" section.

Please advise.

TIA

Eric
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Re: Seamonkey crashing Flash Player

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Gunneric wrote:


Hey everyone,

This just started with the last update of Seamonkey, but I'm getting
the flash player container hanging and crashing Seamonkey.

I know a few iterations ago of Seamonkey, there was a fix. But for
the life of me I can't figure it out now.

Since then I've gone over to a new computer, though I've moved my
profile, I doubt that the fix carried over with the profile.

Anyone remember how to fix Flash Player container crashing?


Steps to reproduce? All websites, or just certain ones?

Versions of SM and Flash?
(current are 2.40, 21.0.0.213)

Have you tried clearing Flash cookies?
<http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager07.html>
Click "Delete all sites." This doesn't establish a cookie policy, just 
deletes existing ones. Set your policy here:

<http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html>

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Re: Seamonkey crashing Flash Player

[Burry]

On 03.05.16 3:40, Gunneric wrote:

Flash Player container crashing

googling:
flash player plugin-container crash seamonkey

gives 6800 hits.
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Seamonkey crashing Flash Player

[Gunneric]

Hey everyone,

This just started with the last update of Seamonkey, but I'm getting the flash 
player container hanging and crashing Seamonkey.

I know a few iterations ago of Seamonkey, there was a fix. But for the life of 
me I can't figure it out now.

Since then I've gone over to a new computer, though I've moved my profile, I 
doubt that the fix carried over with the profile.

Anyone remember how to fix Flash Player container crashing?

TIA

Eric
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[GerardJan]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX <Paul@houston.texas> wrote:



https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


Thanks for the heads-up about Flash .245.


+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.
Did not like No Script.


Regards,
Lee




I use version: 11.2.202.540

no problems what so ever...

regards,



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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[GerardJan]

GerardJan wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX <Paul@houston.texas> wrote:



https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


Thanks for the heads-up about Flash .245.


+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.
Did not like No Script.


Regards,
Lee




I use version: 11.2.202.540

no problems what so ever...

regards,





to be precisely :

File: libflashplayer.so
Path: /home/gerardjan/Downloads/seamonkey-2.39/plugins/libflashplayer.so
Version: 11.2.202.540
State: Enabled
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202



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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Lee wrote:

On 11/29/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:

<.. snip bits about flash ..>

+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS
enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.


Thanks for the info.  Blacklisting is what A/V programs do & they
leave much to be desired -- an opinion the Yse Script author shares:
"Unlike NoScript, YesScript does absolutely nothing to improve your
security. "   We differ on "... Firefox is secure enough by default
and that blocking all scripts by default is paranoia. "Maybe he
hasn't read things like
   https://blog.avast.com/2015/08/20/infected-ad-networks-hit-popular-websites/
 This week security researchers discovered booby-trapped
advertisements on popular
 websites including eBay, The Drudge Report, weather.com, and AOL.
The ads, some of
 which can be initiated by a drive-by attack without the user’s
knowledge or even any
 action, infected computers with adware or locked them down with ransomware.


Did not like No Script.


I hear ya - but the alternatives if you do enable JS aren't all that great.

Regards,
Lee

That is why it is a good idea to have an adblocker as well as a 
javascript blocker.  Most of the sites I visit do not cause problems by 
using javascript, but there are a few that do, so I use YesScript, and I 
also have Adblock Plus with 4 subscriptions.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Lee]

On 11/29/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX  wrote:
   <.. snip bits about flash ..>
>> +1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
>> JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
>> right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
>> mitigation I've found for enabling JS.
>>
>> Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS
>> enabled?
>
> I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.

Thanks for the info.  Blacklisting is what A/V programs do & they
leave much to be desired -- an opinion the Yse Script author shares:
"Unlike NoScript, YesScript does absolutely nothing to improve your
security. "   We differ on "... Firefox is secure enough by default
and that blocking all scripts by default is paranoia. "Maybe he
hasn't read things like
  https://blog.avast.com/2015/08/20/infected-ad-networks-hit-popular-websites/
This week security researchers discovered booby-trapped
advertisements on popular
websites including eBay, The Drudge Report, weather.com, and AOL.
The ads, some of
which can be initiated by a drive-by attack without the user’s
knowledge or even any
action, infected computers with adware or locked them down with ransomware.

> Did not like No Script.

I hear ya - but the alternatives if you do enable JS aren't all that great.

Regards,
Lee
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Paul in Houston, TX]

Lee wrote:

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX <Paul@houston.texas> wrote:



https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


Thanks for the heads-up about Flash .245.


+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?


I use both Quick JS toggle and Yes Script for blacklisting.
Did not like No Script.


Regards,
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 7:51 PM:

On 11/28/2015 10:36 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
<http://flashblock.mozdev.org/>.



You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in
the add-ons manager.




I am not sure, but I think that enabling Flash from an "Always ask"
setting will enable it for all the Flash on the current Web page.  Some
Web pages have more than one Flash.  Flashblock allows me to play the
one Flash I select without playing the others on the same page.



Never seen "Always ask" to fail. No experience with Flashblock as I work
to minimize installed extensions.


With Firefox now, the click-to-play permission is per site, but not with 
SeaMonkey.  SM still treats click-to-play as per item.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/


Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension
specifically designed to
force You Tube to deliver videos using Flash
rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go
download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.


A better place to get the Flash player is here:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html


There is no extra crap dumped on you from that page.



As someone who knows about these things, would YOU recommend that
Mozilla Flash Extension over using the (now resident?) HTML5 player.

Sometimes (not always) YouTube Videos (especially music ones) are choppy
and have pauses, etc.

Would I NOT have that with the Mozilla Extension ?


It is not Mozilla Flash, but Adobe Flash, and it is a plugin, not an 
extension.


I do not think HTML5 is ready for prime time yet.  It still does things 
I do not like, like defaulting to the lowest possible resolution.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 11/28/2015 1:34 PM:

Everything is dangerous to some extent.  I know that Flash works good
with XP3.
If you use Flash, be sure to install the latest version.
It is 19.0.0.226 for Windows as of Saturday, Nov 28, 2015.
Be sure to set Flash cache to zero and run Ccleaner or Bleachbit
periodically
to remove the flash cookies.
To be even safer make sure JS is OFF and stays OFF.



Doing that will break an awful lot of valid sites that require
javascript to function.  Bank of America comes to mind.



Flash will not work without javascript.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Rick Merrill]

On 11/28/2015 12:24 PM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



See Wired's article: "Flash Must Die"

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/adobe-flash-player-die/

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Lee]

Hi,

On 11/28/15, Paul in Houston, TX <Paul@houston.texas> wrote:
> DoctorBill wrote:
>> I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow
>> Viruses and Trojans
>> into your system.
>> I went to Mozilla.org then this;
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/
>>
>> Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.

The current version of SM is 2.39; running SM 2.33.1 is unsafe.

>> Please eschew comments on XP !

As long as you eschew using an admin account for general use )
Use the admin account for administering the machine & use an account
with no privileges for general use -- like using Flash & SM 2.33.1

And use things like
https://www.virustotal.com/
https://malwr.com/submission/
https://virusscan.jotti.org/
http://www.virscan.org/
to check out a program before installing it.


>> Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
>> Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?
>>
>> Danke, danke.
>>
>> DB
>
> Everything is dangerous to some extent.  I know that Flash works good with
> XP3.
> If you use Flash, be sure to install the latest version.
> It is 19.0.0.226 for Windows as of Saturday, Nov 28, 2015.

https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb15-28.html
says the current version is 19.0.0.245


> Be sure to set Flash cache to zero and run Ccleaner or Bleachbit
> periodically
> to remove the flash cookies.
> To be even safer make sure JS is OFF and stays OFF.

+1 for turning javascript off.  But way too many sites don't work if
JS is turned off.  It's kind of a pain getting the permissions set
right, but using noscript & request policy continued is the best
mitigation I've found for enabling JS.

Anyone have other suggestions for staying (relatively) safe with JS enabled?

Regards,
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[WaltS48]

On 11/28/2015 11:55 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 7:51 PM:

On 11/28/2015 10:36 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
<http://flashblock.mozdev.org/>.



You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in
the add-ons manager.




I am not sure, but I think that enabling Flash from an "Always ask"
setting will enable it for all the Flash on the current Web page.  Some
Web pages have more than one Flash.  Flashblock allows me to play the
one Flash I select without playing the others on the same page.



Never seen "Always ask" to fail. No experience with Flashblock as I work
to minimize installed extensions.





Well, each user is different. Some go to sites that when you allow Flash 
for the whole site, just to watch the video you are interested in, will 
play the little sport game snippet of the day, or an ad, or some other 
tiny video down the page that the user doesn't see.


That said, I don't use Flashblock and rarely encounter that situation.

On my local news site I do occasionally see the sports video playing on 
the home page with no sound.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Ed Mullen]

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
<http://flashblock.mozdev.org/>.



You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in 
the add-ons manager.



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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Ed Mullen]

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 1:12 PM:

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/


Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension
specifically designed to force You Tube to deliver
videos using Flash rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go
download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.



OKI read about that, but don't understand Flash from HTML5 (or a
hole in the ground!).

I just ran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0BjFl-a1Y and right clicked
it.
A menu says 'about HTML5 player' at the bottom.
So I have an HTML5 resident player ?
Where did THAT come from !?



The HTML5 spec includes playing videos natively, no plugins/extensions 
needed.  So, any browser that supports HTML5 will handle it.



I get many web sites that have a big brown (?) square and a message that
says I need to download a player.  Of course I don't click on the
download link - fishing for me to download a Trojan or Maleware ?



Depends on the site.  And the player it wants you to DL.


Somehow YouTube now works?  I have no idea why, since I did not download
anything to play it - I THINK !



At some point you updated to a SeaMonkey version that included HTML5 
video capability.



I am guessing that I do not have any control over what SM is doing !


Depends on what you want to control.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Ed Mullen]

Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 11/28/2015 1:34 PM:

DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can
allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


Everything is dangerous to some extent.  I know that Flash works good
with XP3.
If you use Flash, be sure to install the latest version.
It is 19.0.0.226 for Windows as of Saturday, Nov 28, 2015.
Be sure to set Flash cache to zero and run Ccleaner or Bleachbit
periodically
to remove the flash cookies.
To be even safer make sure JS is OFF and stays OFF.



Doing that will break an awful lot of valid sites that require 
javascript to function.  Bank of America comes to mind.



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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[EE]

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension specifically designed to
force You Tube to deliver videos using Flash rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.


A better place to get the Flash player is here:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html

There is no extra crap dumped on you from that page.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[David E. Ross]

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
> I read in several places that Flash Player is 
> dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
> into your system.
> I went to Mozilla.org then this;
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/
> 
> Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
> Please eschew comments on XP !
> 
> Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
> Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?
> 
> Danke, danke.
> 
> DB
> 

Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
<http://flashblock.mozdev.org/>.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[DoctorBill]

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/


Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension
specifically designed to
force You Tube to deliver videos using Flash
rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go
download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.


A better place to get the Flash player is here:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html


There is no extra crap dumped on you from that page.



As someone who knows about these things, would YOU 
recommend that Mozilla Flash Extension over using 
the (now resident?) HTML5 player.


Sometimes (not always) YouTube Videos (especially 
music ones) are choppy and have pauses, etc.


Would I NOT have that with the Mozilla Extension ?


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Ed Mullen]

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension specifically designed to 
force You Tube to deliver videos using Flash rather than HTML5.


If you need the Flash Player/plugin go download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[DoctorBill]

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/


Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension
specifically designed to force You Tube to deliver
videos using Flash rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go
download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.



OKI read about that, but don't understand 
Flash from HTML5 (or a hole in the ground!).


I just ran 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0BjFl-a1Y and 
right clicked it.

A menu says 'about HTML5 player' at the bottom.
So I have an HTML5 resident player ?
Where did THAT come from !?

I get many web sites that have a big brown (?) 
square and a message that says I need to download 
a player.  Of course I don't click on the download 
link - fishing for me to download a Trojan or 
Maleware ?


Somehow YouTube now works?  I have no idea why, 
since I did not download anything to play it - I 
THINK !


I am guessing that I do not have any control over 
what SM is doing !


DB




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Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[DoctorBill]

I read in several places that Flash Player is 
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans

into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB
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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[DoctorBill]

DoctorBill wrote:

EE wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

DoctorBill wrote on 11/28/2015 12:24 PM:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow
Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/



Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


That is not Flash Player.  It's an extension
specifically designed to
force You Tube to deliver videos using Flash
rather than HTML5.

If you need the Flash Player/plugin go
download/install it from:

<https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/>

Remember to UNcheck the McAfee Optional offer.


A better place to get the Flash player is here:
https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html



There is no extra crap dumped on you from that
page.



As someone who knows about these things, would YOU
recommend that Mozilla Flash Extension over using
the (now resident?) HTML5 player.

Sometimes (not always) YouTube Videos (especially
music ones) are choppy and have pauses, etc.

Would I NOT have that with the Mozilla Extension ?


Moot point anyway.says it is not compatible 
with my SM version 2.33.1.Merde !

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Paul in Houston, TX]

DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is dangerous as it can allow Viruses 
and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB


Everything is dangerous to some extent.  I know that Flash works good with XP3.
If you use Flash, be sure to install the latest version.
It is 19.0.0.226 for Windows as of Saturday, Nov 28, 2015.
Be sure to set Flash cache to zero and run Ccleaner or Bleachbit periodically
to remove the flash cookies.
To be even safer make sure JS is OFF and stays OFF.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:

Doing that will break an awful lot of valid sites that require
javascript to function.  Bank of America comes to mind.


And any site that uses JS frameworks like Angular and JQuery and depend 
on Ajax, which is countless these days. We're back to the 90's again.


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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[David E. Ross]

On 11/28/2015 10:36 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:
>> On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:
>>> I read in several places that Flash Player is
>>> dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
>>> into your system.
>>> I went to Mozilla.org then this;
>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/
>>>
>>> Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
>>> Please eschew comments on XP !
>>>
>>> Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
>>> Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?
>>>
>>> Danke, danke.
>>>
>>> DB
>>>
>>
>> Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
>> access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
>> not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
>> Windows, I do not worry about that.
>>
>> However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
>> installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
>> For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
>> <http://flashblock.mozdev.org/>.
>>
> 
> You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in 
> the add-ons manager.
> 
> 

I am not sure, but I think that enabling Flash from an "Always ask"
setting will enable it for all the Flash on the current Web page.  Some
Web pages have more than one Flash.  Flashblock allows me to play the
one Flash I select without playing the others on the same page.

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Re: Is 'Flash Player' dangerous ?

[Ed Mullen]

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 7:51 PM:

On 11/28/2015 10:36 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

David E. Ross wrote on 11/28/2015 1:10 PM:

On 11/28/2015 9:24 AM, DoctorBill wrote:

I read in several places that Flash Player is
dangerous as it can allow Viruses and Trojans
into your system.
I went to Mozilla.org then this;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-flash-player/

Is this safe to use on SM 2.33.1 ?  Using XP.
Please eschew comments on XP !

Why do all these say they are for YouTube ?
Do they work only on YouTube and nothing else ?

Danke, danke.

DB



Many others claim Flash is indeed dangerous in that it allows malware
access to your computer.  Since security vulnerabilities in Flash are
not found as frequently as such vulnerabilities in various versions of
Windows, I do not worry about that.

However, I often find Flash to be annoying.  While I have Flash
installed, I also have the Flashblock extension installed and enabled.
For SeaMonkey, get Flashblock 1.3.20 (NOT 1.5.17) from
<http://flashblock.mozdev.org/>.



You don't really need Flashblock anymore.  Just set to "Always ask" in
the add-ons manager.




I am not sure, but I think that enabling Flash from an "Always ask"
setting will enable it for all the Flash on the current Web page.  Some
Web pages have more than one Flash.  Flashblock allows me to play the
one Flash I select without playing the others on the same page.



Never seen "Always ask" to fail. No experience with Flashblock as I work 
to minimize installed extensions.



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flash player issue - please help

[David]

For some reason, version 16.0.0.235 of flash player still shows as being 
installed in seamonkey. I have used the uninstall utility for flash 
player and deleted every location flash player exists then cleaned out 
the registry and still that version says it exists in seamonkey. It also 
still exists in firefox and for some reason, I can not get rid of it. 
Nor can I find it anywhere on my computer. I thought I would send this 
up to you in case you have some idea of why and how to get it not to 
show up in my addons. I have the latest version of flash installed and 
it works just fine so no issues with it. Thanks for any ideas and help.


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Flash Player

[Russell]

Hi,

I've recently got rid of flash player and find that in Firefox and Palemoon I 
can still view flash 
content but in SeaMonkey I'm not able to. Is there a way around this problem?

Thank you.

Regards,
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

On 7/15/2015 5:31 PM, Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP) wrote:
...

Yes, we got two releases in one weeks time. One was already a usual
Patch Tuesday release. One was due to Hacking Team's data leak
detailing unknown 'sploits. In any case, I am not crashing on Flash
content at all.


Ditto. I am sure there will be more soon like in the past. :(
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

On 7/15/2015 1:03 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 7/15/2015 12:05 PM, Bryan Morris wrote:

  It seems like Firefox and other Mozilla web browsers are having crashes
  too. Also, Adobe will be releasing another version this week so I am
  going to wait. I think this is an Adobe's issue, not Mozilla's and
  SeaMonkey's.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/14/firefox_blocks_flash/


Flash versions 9 through 18.0.0.204 contain security vulnerabilities and
are being blocked.  Get Flash 18.0.0.209 from
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html.


Yep, Tuesday's b209 fixed the mess for now. :D
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Bryan Morris]

It seems like Firefox and other Mozilla web browsers are having crashes 
too. Also, Adobe will be releasing another version this week so I am 
going to wait. I think this is an Adobe's issue, not Mozilla's and 
SeaMonkey's.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/14/firefox_blocks_flash/
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[David E. Ross]

On 7/15/2015 12:05 PM, Bryan Morris wrote:
  It seems like Firefox and other Mozilla web browsers are having crashes 
  too. Also, Adobe will be releasing another version this week so I am 
  going to wait. I think this is an Adobe's issue, not Mozilla's and 
  SeaMonkey's.
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/14/firefox_blocks_flash/
 

Flash versions 9 through 18.0.0.204 contain security vulnerabilities and
are being blocked.  Get Flash 18.0.0.209 from
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html.

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b209 is out now! Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

I hope it fixes the crashes beside fixing the security holes.
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

I am not crashing but I can no longer go to full screen any more.
However, I am on SM 2.36. It's likely something that's not fixed in
2.33.1 that is in later version of SM. You could always try the 2.35
contrib build
(https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/)
which *should* wind up being what is basically built from FF 38.1ESR
release to be released soon. Keep your installer for 2.33.1 handy in
case you need to revert back.


Is that an official build that QA testers are using for the final release?


I think so yes. It was Phil Chee who was mentioning it being built in
the How Dead is Seamonkey thread from a couple days ago.

Pasted here for your info:


Bug 1177041 - (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to
comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177041

https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07#Roundtable_-_Personal_Status_Updates
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07#Ratty


Thanks. From those links, I don't see them mention about Flash?


I would imagine you'd have to dig through the Firefox bugs to see what
Flash stuff got fixed between FF36 and FF39. So what I am saying is
that between SM 2.33.1 and SM 2.35 (or 2.36), this crashing may have
been fixed but you would have to find out that info on your own.
Personally, I'm having good luck thus far on 64-bit SM 2.36.


It seems like Firefox and other Mozilla web browsers are having crashes 
too. Also, Adobe will be releasing another version this week so I am 
going to wait. I think this is an Adobe's issue, not Mozilla's and 
SeaMonkey's.

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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

...

I am not crashing but I can no longer go to full screen any more.
However, I am on SM 2.36. It's likely something that's not fixed in
2.33.1 that is in later version of SM. You could always try the 2.35
contrib build
(https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/)
which *should* wind up being what is basically built from FF 38.1ESR
release to be released soon. Keep your installer for 2.33.1 handy in
case you need to revert back.


Is that an official build that QA testers are using for the final release?


I think so yes. It was Phil Chee who was mentioning it being built in
the How Dead is Seamonkey thread from a couple days ago.

Pasted here for your info:


Bug 1177041 - (SM2.35-Uplift) Bugs / Patches to be uplifted to
comm-release for SeaMonkey 2.35
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177041

https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07#Roundtable_-_Personal_Status_Updates
https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2015-07-07#Ratty


Thanks. From those links, I don't see them mention about Flash?
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

On Tuesday's early morning, I upgraded my Flash v18.0 b194 in my old
Windows XP Pro. SP3's SeaMonkey v2.33.1 web browser. I noticed this
plugin likes to crash once in a while and I need to reload the web page
to reuse it. I tried clearing caches, restarting my web browser, etc. Is
anyone else noticing this too or just me?


I am not crashing but I can no longer go to full screen any more.
However, I am on SM 2.36. It's likely something that's not fixed in
2.33.1 that is in later version of SM. You could always try the 2.35
contrib build
(https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/)
which *should* wind up being what is basically built from FF 38.1ESR
release to be released soon. Keep your installer for 2.33.1 handy in
case you need to revert back.


Is that an official build that QA testers are using for the final release?
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[EE]

Ant wrote:

Nice. My about:crashes list shows a lot of reports on this Flash crash:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/059d7cdb-a250-422e-b1b3-4b02b2150710

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8d938eb1-3a9c-4b1e-9ef7-f07c72150710

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/b35d4555-1ae9-425d-bbe3-bd0b22150710

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/976f3cc2-b4e0-44dc-a42d-b60462150710

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/e16cf8c4-8ca3-4511-b256-a6a7d2150710

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/77f95618-dcca-4627-9e1d-665782150710


According to their
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?product=SeaMonkeysignature=npswf32_18_0_0_203.dll%400xb1459
, a lot of people are getting crashes too?


On 7/10/2015 10:42 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

On Tuesday's early morning, I upgraded my Flash v18.0 b194 in my old
Windows XP Pro. SP3's SeaMonkey v2.33.1 web browser. I noticed this
plugin likes to crash once in a while and I need to reload the web page
to reuse it. I tried clearing caches, restarting my web browser, etc. Is
anyone else noticing this too or just me?

Thank you in advance. :)


I am not having crashes with the new Flash plugin.  Maybe that is 
because I use Mac OS (an older version of it)?  I am also now using SM 2.35.


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Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

Hello.

On Tuesday's early morning, I upgraded my Flash v18.0 b194 in my old 
Windows XP Pro. SP3's SeaMonkey v2.33.1 web browser. I noticed this 
plugin likes to crash once in a while and I need to reload the web page 
to reuse it. I tried clearing caches, restarting my web browser, etc. Is 
anyone else noticing this too or just me?


Thank you in advance. :)
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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ant wrote:

Hello.

On Tuesday's early morning, I upgraded my Flash v18.0 b194 in my old
Windows XP Pro. SP3's SeaMonkey v2.33.1 web browser. I noticed this
plugin likes to crash once in a while and I need to reload the web page
to reuse it. I tried clearing caches, restarting my web browser, etc. Is
anyone else noticing this too or just me?

Thank you in advance. :)


Haven't seen it on my Win7 system, FWIW.

But I have noticed over the years that the Flash installers often don't 
remove older versions of the plugin. I have no special reason to think 
that's a problem, but whenever I notice it I delete them.


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Re: Adobe Flash player v18.0 b203 plugin crashing?

[Ant]

Nice. My about:crashes list shows a lot of reports on this Flash crash:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/059d7cdb-a250-422e-b1b3-4b02b2150710
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8d938eb1-3a9c-4b1e-9ef7-f07c72150710
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/b35d4555-1ae9-425d-bbe3-bd0b22150710
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/976f3cc2-b4e0-44dc-a42d-b60462150710
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/e16cf8c4-8ca3-4511-b256-a6a7d2150710
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/77f95618-dcca-4627-9e1d-665782150710

According to their 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/list?product=SeaMonkeysignature=npswf32_18_0_0_203.dll%400xb1459 
, a lot of people are getting crashes too?



On 7/10/2015 10:42 AM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

On Tuesday's early morning, I upgraded my Flash v18.0 b194 in my old
Windows XP Pro. SP3's SeaMonkey v2.33.1 web browser. I noticed this
plugin likes to crash once in a while and I need to reload the web page
to reuse it. I tried clearing caches, restarting my web browser, etc. Is
anyone else noticing this too or just me?

Thank you in advance. :)

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Re: Memory and Flash Player.

[Ed Mullen]

Ant wrote on 3/2/2015 10:26 PM:

Get an ad blocker and put Flash to activate on demand.


On 3/2/2015 11:32 AM, lr...@superlink.net wrote:

I'm using
Windows 7 pro SP1
Seamonkey 2.32.1
Shockwave Flash 32_16_0_0_305

Certain pages seem to take a lot of memory. I've seen Flash Player up
above 2.5GB. Seamonkey goes to around 500MB.

Closing the pages I suspect to be causing the trouble makes the memory
usage go way down.

It seems to occur when there are ads that look like gifs, ie they just
repeat over and over.  I usually see messages in the message area that
say things like Waiting for ..

I don't want to block the ads.

A good site to see this problem is www.fark.com, although it's not the
only one.  It doesn't always happen. Ads that are unchanging, which I
suspect are either jpegs or pngs,  don't seem to cause the problem.

My version of Explorer doesn't seem to have the same problems although
it has popped up some message about scripts being disabled and it
sometimes leaves the advertising area on www.fark.com blank, so maybe
it's detecting something.

The memory usage slows down Seamonkey's response time making for a
less than pleasant browsing experience.

TIA for any suggestions.


lruss said he/she didn't want to block the ads.

If the issue is .gif animations doing an infinite loop:

Edit - Preferences - Privacy  Security - Images.  Under Animated 
images should loop click once or never.



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Re: Memory and Flash Player.

[Ant]

Get an ad blocker and put Flash to activate on demand.


On 3/2/2015 11:32 AM, lr...@superlink.net wrote:

I'm using
Windows 7 pro SP1
Seamonkey 2.32.1
Shockwave Flash 32_16_0_0_305

Certain pages seem to take a lot of memory. I've seen Flash Player up above 
2.5GB. Seamonkey goes to around 500MB.

Closing the pages I suspect to be causing the trouble makes the memory usage go 
way down.

It seems to occur when there are ads that look like gifs, ie they just repeat over and 
over.  I usually see messages in the message area that say things like Waiting for 
..

I don't want to block the ads.

A good site to see this problem is www.fark.com, although it's not the only 
one.  It doesn't always happen. Ads that are unchanging, which I suspect are 
either jpegs or pngs,  don't seem to cause the problem.

My version of Explorer doesn't seem to have the same problems although it has 
popped up some message about scripts being disabled and it sometimes leaves the 
advertising area on www.fark.com blank, so maybe it's detecting something.

The memory usage slows down Seamonkey's response time making for a less than 
pleasant browsing experience.

TIA for any suggestions.

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Memory and Flash Player.

[lruss]

I'm using 
Windows 7 pro SP1
Seamonkey 2.32.1
Shockwave Flash 32_16_0_0_305

Certain pages seem to take a lot of memory. I've seen Flash Player up above 
2.5GB. Seamonkey goes to around 500MB.

Closing the pages I suspect to be causing the trouble makes the memory usage go 
way down.

It seems to occur when there are ads that look like gifs, ie they just repeat 
over and over.  I usually see messages in the message area that say things like 
Waiting for ..

I don't want to block the ads.

A good site to see this problem is www.fark.com, although it's not the only 
one.  It doesn't always happen. Ads that are unchanging, which I suspect are 
either jpegs or pngs,  don't seem to cause the problem.

My version of Explorer doesn't seem to have the same problems although it has 
popped up some message about scripts being disabled and it sometimes leaves the 
advertising area on www.fark.com blank, so maybe it's detecting something.

The memory usage slows down Seamonkey's response time making for a less than 
pleasant browsing experience.

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Re: allowing flash player

[David H. Durgee]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


I'm seeing something a bit strange here.  Looking at about:plugins in
SeaMonkey I see:

Shockwave Flash

 File: libflashplayer.so
 Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 Version: 11.2.202.438
 State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

Yet when I look in the package manager I see it shows as 11.2.202.440,
which is the current release per Adobe.  If I look at the file noted in
the path above I see the 11.2.202.440 string in it too, so why is
SeaMonkey reporting an older, vulnerable version?

The time stamp on the file shows 2015/01/23 18:16, so it is possible
that SeaMonkey has not been restarted since before it was installed.  Is
there a way I can get SeaMonkey to reload plugins/add-ins short of a
shutdown/restart?


AFAICT the most current version is 16.0.0.296. But I'm on Windows 7, not
Linux. Useful links here:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1035859


I thought that version looked rather old as well. But this page (from
Adobe) lists current versions for each OS and browser:
   https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
and indeed for Mozilla on Linux, the latest is 11.2.202.440.

There shouldn't be any need to restart the whole OS. At worst,
restarting SeaMonkey should be sufficient to reload any plugins. A
couple of things which may be worth trying:
- Close all pages using Flash; maybe the plugin would be unloaded and
then reloaded next time you open a page which needs it..
- Disable Flash from the Add-ons Manager, then re-enable it; again,
maybe that will force a reload.

I'm no expert on Linux, but I think most Linux filesystems allow a file
which is in use (e.g. the Flash plugin in use by SeaMonkey) to be
overwritten (e.g. by the Flash updater), while the application already
using it keeps its handle on the original file. So looking at the file
with any other tool will see the new version, while SeaMonkey is still
using the old version. What happens under the hood is basically that
the new version of the file is written to disk, and the path updated to
reference that. But applications already using the file keep their
handle on the older version, which is not actually deleted until all
handles on it have been closed. This is what allows updates to be
applied to a running Linux system, and then affected applications can be
restarted after applying the update, minimising downtime.

The alternative, as Windows does, is to not allow files which are in use
to be replaced at all. In that case, SeaMonkey has to be closed while
Flash is being updated.

Mark.


Well, I have tried several things and none of them have corrected the 
problem.  I tried enabling and disabling the plugin, I restarted 
SeaMonkey, I even shut SeaMonkey down and reinstalled the plugin from 
the Synaptic Package Manager while it was shut down.  Nothing helped!


I still show the same situation.  The about:plugins shows the same as 
above and inspecting the file shows the current release.  So why is 
SeaMonkey still insisting that the old version is installed.


Interestingly, here is FireFox on the same system:

Shockwave Flash

File: libflashplayer.so
Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
Version: 11.2.202.440
State: Enabled
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

MIME Type   Description Suffixes
application/x-shockwave-flash   Shockwave Flash swf
application/futuresplashFutureSplash Player spl

So they point to the same file, but only FireFox gets it right?

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Re: allowing flash player

[David H. Durgee]

David H. Durgee wrote:

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


I'm seeing something a bit strange here.  Looking at about:plugins in
SeaMonkey I see:

Shockwave Flash

 File: libflashplayer.so
 Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 Version: 11.2.202.438
 State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

Yet when I look in the package manager I see it shows as 11.2.202.440,
which is the current release per Adobe.  If I look at the file noted in
the path above I see the 11.2.202.440 string in it too, so why is
SeaMonkey reporting an older, vulnerable version?

The time stamp on the file shows 2015/01/23 18:16, so it is possible
that SeaMonkey has not been restarted since before it was
installed.  Is
there a way I can get SeaMonkey to reload plugins/add-ins short of a
shutdown/restart?


AFAICT the most current version is 16.0.0.296. But I'm on Windows 7, not
Linux. Useful links here:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1035859


I thought that version looked rather old as well. But this page (from
Adobe) lists current versions for each OS and browser:
   https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
and indeed for Mozilla on Linux, the latest is 11.2.202.440.

There shouldn't be any need to restart the whole OS. At worst,
restarting SeaMonkey should be sufficient to reload any plugins. A
couple of things which may be worth trying:
- Close all pages using Flash; maybe the plugin would be unloaded and
then reloaded next time you open a page which needs it..
- Disable Flash from the Add-ons Manager, then re-enable it; again,
maybe that will force a reload.

I'm no expert on Linux, but I think most Linux filesystems allow a file
which is in use (e.g. the Flash plugin in use by SeaMonkey) to be
overwritten (e.g. by the Flash updater), while the application already
using it keeps its handle on the original file. So looking at the file
with any other tool will see the new version, while SeaMonkey is still
using the old version. What happens under the hood is basically that
the new version of the file is written to disk, and the path updated to
reference that. But applications already using the file keep their
handle on the older version, which is not actually deleted until all
handles on it have been closed. This is what allows updates to be
applied to a running Linux system, and then affected applications can be
restarted after applying the update, minimising downtime.

The alternative, as Windows does, is to not allow files which are in use
to be replaced at all. In that case, SeaMonkey has to be closed while
Flash is being updated.

Mark.


Well, I have tried several things and none of them have corrected the
problem.  I tried enabling and disabling the plugin, I restarted
SeaMonkey, I even shut SeaMonkey down and reinstalled the plugin from
the Synaptic Package Manager while it was shut down.  Nothing helped!

I still show the same situation.  The about:plugins shows the same as
above and inspecting the file shows the current release.  So why is
SeaMonkey still insisting that the old version is installed.

Interestingly, here is FireFox on the same system:

Shockwave Flash

 File: libflashplayer.so
 Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 Version: 11.2.202.440
 State: Enabled
 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

MIME TypeDescriptionSuffixes
application/x-shockwave-flashShockwave Flashswf
application/futuresplashFutureSplash Playerspl

So they point to the same file, but only FireFox gets it right?

Dave



I decided to try something, I shut down SeaMonkey and edited the 
pluginreg.dat file in the SeaMonkey profile to match the FireFox one 
regarding flash.  Now it reports the proper version number, so that 
appears to be the source of my problem.  Now the question is why didn't 
SeaMonkey get the right version number when it was updated?


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Re: allowing flash player

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David H. Durgee wrote:


I decided to try something, I shut down SeaMonkey and edited the
pluginreg.dat file in the SeaMonkey profile to match the FireFox one
regarding flash.  Now it reports the proper version number, so that
appears to be the source of my problem.  Now the question is why
didn't SeaMonkey get the right version number when it was updated?


In my experience, the Flash updaters often fail to remove previous 
versions, so SeaMonkey will see two or more and have to choose. I don't 
know if it chooses well, but when I have a moment and I think of it, I 
usually go and delete the old files, which seems to do no harm.


On my Win7 system, the path is:
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Macromed\Flash\

And the current files are:
NPSWF32_16_0_0_296.dll
FlashUtil32_16_0_0_296_Plugin.exe
FlashPlayerPlugin_16_0_0_296.exe

If you've also installed it for IE, you'll see the following as well:
FlashUtil32_16_0_0_296_ActiveX.exe
FlashUtil32_16_0_0_296_ActiveX.dll
Flash32_16_0_0_296.ocx

Of course, the version numbers will differ; that's how you can tell them 
apart.


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Re: allowing flash player

[Jonathan N. Little]

David H. Durgee wrote:

Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:


You can test here, and if you pass, your installation is current and you
can ignore the scams:

Test Adobe Flash:
https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Test Shockwave:
https://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/


Thank You, it's current



I'm seeing something a bit strange here.  Looking at about:plugins in
SeaMonkey I see:

Shockwave Flash

 File: libflashplayer.so
 Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 Version: 11.2.202.438
 State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

Yet when I look in the package manager I see it shows as 11.2.202.440,
which is the current release per Adobe.  If I look at the file noted in
the path above I see the 11.2.202.440 string in it too, so why is
SeaMonkey reporting an older, vulnerable version?

The time stamp on the file shows 2015/01/23 18:16, so it is possible
that SeaMonkey has not been restarted since before it was installed.  Is
there a way I can get SeaMonkey to reload plugins/add-ins short of a
shutdown/restart?


Adobe pulled the plug on the Linux version of Flash. They still patch 
that version for security bugs but that is it. Maybe Flash will finally 
die as industry moves towards HTML 5.




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Re: allowing flash player

[mozilla-lists . mbourne]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


I'm seeing something a bit strange here.  Looking at about:plugins in
SeaMonkey I see:

Shockwave Flash

 File: libflashplayer.so
 Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 Version: 11.2.202.438
 State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

Yet when I look in the package manager I see it shows as 11.2.202.440,
which is the current release per Adobe.  If I look at the file noted in
the path above I see the 11.2.202.440 string in it too, so why is
SeaMonkey reporting an older, vulnerable version?

The time stamp on the file shows 2015/01/23 18:16, so it is possible
that SeaMonkey has not been restarted since before it was installed.  Is
there a way I can get SeaMonkey to reload plugins/add-ins short of a
shutdown/restart?


AFAICT the most current version is 16.0.0.296. But I'm on Windows 7, not
Linux. Useful links here:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1035859


I thought that version looked rather old as well. But this page (from 
Adobe) lists current versions for each OS and browser:

  https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
and indeed for Mozilla on Linux, the latest is 11.2.202.440.

There shouldn't be any need to restart the whole OS. At worst, 
restarting SeaMonkey should be sufficient to reload any plugins. A 
couple of things which may be worth trying:
- Close all pages using Flash; maybe the plugin would be unloaded and 
then reloaded next time you open a page which needs it..
- Disable Flash from the Add-ons Manager, then re-enable it; again, 
maybe that will force a reload.


I'm no expert on Linux, but I think most Linux filesystems allow a file 
which is in use (e.g. the Flash plugin in use by SeaMonkey) to be 
overwritten (e.g. by the Flash updater), while the application already 
using it keeps its handle on the original file. So looking at the file 
with any other tool will see the new version, while SeaMonkey is still 
using the old version. What happens under the hood is basically that 
the new version of the file is written to disk, and the path updated to 
reference that. But applications already using the file keep their 
handle on the older version, which is not actually deleted until all 
handles on it have been closed. This is what allows updates to be 
applied to a running Linux system, and then affected applications can be 
restarted after applying the update, minimising downtime.


The alternative, as Windows does, is to not allow files which are in use 
to be replaced at all. In that case, SeaMonkey has to be closed while 
Flash is being updated.


Mark.

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[Paul B. Gallagher]

Gerd Schweizer wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:



OK, then can you give us the URL of a page where a Flash video doesn't
play, and also describe exactly what happens instead, including any
error messages?

Are there some pages where Flash videos do play, or do all fail?

Are you using an ad blocker?


not initiating by me?
As i tried to get an url i could see another film there. May i send an
url, when the problem happens again?


You certainly have my permission to do what I asked you to do -- send a URL.

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Re: allowing flash player

[David H. Durgee]

Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:


You can test here, and if you pass, your installation is current and you
can ignore the scams:

Test Adobe Flash:
https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Test Shockwave:
https://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/


Thank You, it's current



I'm seeing something a bit strange here.  Looking at about:plugins in 
SeaMonkey I see:


Shockwave Flash

File: libflashplayer.so
Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
Version: 11.2.202.438
State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

Yet when I look in the package manager I see it shows as 
11.2.202.440, which is the current release per Adobe.  If I look at the 
file noted in the path above I see the 11.2.202.440 string in it too, so 
why is SeaMonkey reporting an older, vulnerable version?


The time stamp on the file shows 2015/01/23 18:16, so it is possible 
that SeaMonkey has not been restarted since before it was installed.  Is 
there a way I can get SeaMonkey to reload plugins/add-ins short of a 
shutdown/restart?


Dave
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Re: allowing flash player

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David H. Durgee wrote:


I'm seeing something a bit strange here.  Looking at about:plugins in
SeaMonkey I see:

Shockwave Flash

 File: libflashplayer.so
 Path: /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
 Version: 11.2.202.438
 State: Enabled (STATE_VULNERABLE_UPDATE_AVAILABLE)
 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

Yet when I look in the package manager I see it shows as 11.2.202.440,
which is the current release per Adobe.  If I look at the file noted in
the path above I see the 11.2.202.440 string in it too, so why is
SeaMonkey reporting an older, vulnerable version?

The time stamp on the file shows 2015/01/23 18:16, so it is possible
that SeaMonkey has not been restarted since before it was installed.  Is
there a way I can get SeaMonkey to reload plugins/add-ins short of a
shutdown/restart?


AFAICT the most current version is 16.0.0.296. But I'm on Windows 7, not 
Linux. Useful links here:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1035859

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Re: allowing flash player

[Gerd Schweizer]

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:



OK, then can you give us the URL of a page where a Flash video doesn't
play, and also describe exactly what happens instead, including any
error messages?

Are there some pages where Flash videos do play, or do all fail?

Are you using an ad blocker?


not initiating by me?
As i tried to get an url i could see another film there. May i send an 
url, when the problem happens again?


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[Gerd Schweizer]

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:


You can test here, and if you pass, your installation is current and you
can ignore the scams:

Test Adobe Flash:
https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Test Shockwave:
https://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/


Thank You, it's current

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[Paul B. Gallagher]

Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:


You can test here, and if you pass, your installation is current and you
can ignore the scams:

Test Adobe Flash:
https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Test Shockwave:
https://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/


Thank You, it's current


OK, then can you give us the URL of a page where a Flash video doesn't 
play, and also describe exactly what happens instead, including any 
error messages?


Are there some pages where Flash videos do play, or do all fail?

Are you using an ad blocker?

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A Williams schrieb:



actual = means current.  The German word is Aktuell.

Thank You for that correction.

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[Paul B. Gallagher]

A Williams wrote:

Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Gerd Schweizer wrote:


In Germany the tv organizations offer cinemas in the internet till one
week after sending. But they need the flash player. How can i tell
seamonkey to allow the actual flash player? It's alreaday installed.


What makes you think it's not allowed? Flash works fine here, has for
years.


A discussion here some time ago.
Some sites deny the access with the text my flash player wouldn't be
actual. After installing the actual version (ends with already
installed) the same result.
Flashblock i don't know, also i don't use whitelists.




actual = means current.  The German word is Aktuell.


Yes, several languages I know do that, including French and Russian. But 
it's good you posted that for the non-translators.


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Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Gerd Schweizer wrote:


In Germany the tv organizations offer cinemas in the internet till one
week after sending. But they need the flash player. How can i tell
seamonkey to allow the actual flash player? It's alreaday installed.


What makes you think it's not allowed? Flash works fine here, has for
years.


A discussion here some time ago.
Some sites deny the access with the text my flash player wouldn't be
actual. After installing the actual version (ends with already
installed) the same result.
Flashblock i don't know, also i don't use whitelists.


A common scam used to propagate malware is when sites tell you your 
Flash is out of date and tell you to go to their own site to upgrade. 
You should only upgrade from Adobe's own site.


You can test here, and if you pass, your installation is current and you 
can ignore the scams:


Test Adobe Flash:
https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

Test Shockwave:
https://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/

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Gerd Schweizer wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Gerd Schweizer wrote:


In Germany the tv organizations offer cinemas in the internet till one
week after sending. But they need the flash player. How can i tell
seamonkey to allow the actual flash player? It's alreaday installed.


What makes you think it's not allowed? Flash works fine here, has for
years.


A discussion here some time ago.
Some sites deny the access with the text my flash player wouldn't be
actual. After installing the actual version (ends with already
installed) the same result.
Flashblock i don't know, also i don't use whitelists.




actual = means current.  The German word is Aktuell.
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[Gerd Schweizer]

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Gerd Schweizer wrote:


In Germany the tv organizations offer cinemas in the internet till one
week after sending. But they need the flash player. How can i tell
seamonkey to allow the actual flash player? It's alreaday installed.


What makes you think it's not allowed? Flash works fine here, has for
years.


A discussion here some time ago.
Some sites deny the access with the text my flash player wouldn't be 
actual. After installing the actual version (ends with already 
installed) the same result.

Flashblock i don't know, also i don't use whitelists.


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[Gerd Schweizer]

In Germany the tv organizations offer cinemas in the internet till one 
week after sending. But they need the flash player. How can i tell 
seamonkey to allow the actual flash player? It's alreaday installed.

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