Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: correction was Re: tax situation in Maine

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
I snipped the message because I didn't want to embarass anyone. I only snipped the part that described the name of the organization in question, not changing anything from World Energy. I got the message from the Massachusetts Dept. of Energy, who had assumed that it was the Chewonki Foundation

[biofuels-biz] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread Thor Skov
Graham, Keith, Tom, et. al. Graham, First, I sincerely hope that you do not bow out of this discussion, as your participation does provide a perspective that otherwise has been absent (in my limited experience with this listserve). I also want to thank Keith for his wonderful post a while

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread Steve Spence
I think that many forget that biodiesel is a great solvent. if your tank and lines are full of gunk, biodiesel will loosen it up, clogging your filter. This may be the source of the bad experiences with biodiesel. Once the system is cleaned out from the biodiesel, no more problems. Would have

[biofuels-biz] (unknown)

2002-11-24 Thread alexlandels
hello; I think Steve is correct re detergent effect. It is not unusal to have problems when switching to a different fuel or oil ( see Amsoil site at http://www.bestsyntheticoil.com/members/amsoil/1mrtruck/index.shtml ). Since these types of problems are fairly well known it is possible

Fwd: biodiesel tests, correction on James' post was Re: [biofuel] BIG INDUSTRY responds...

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got some corrections on James' post: In the class yesterday we spent some time discussing homebrew quality control, and quality tests that can be done by homebrewers in the absence of gas chromotography, NIR, and other equipment.

Fwd: Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Thor Thanks for this contribution, positive and constructive, and what we all should be doing. I also hope Graham doesn't bow out. Though I must say that what his unique perspective has mostly provided so far is a rather

Re: [biofuels-biz] (unknown)

2002-11-24 Thread Appal Energy
Clean biodiesel is clean biodiesel - no matter who manufactures it, micro- or macro. The problems don't lay with the fuel but with the fossil fuel that preceeded it and with those vendors who are irresponsible enough as to not continually inform their clientele as to the problems posed by

Re: [biofuel] FW: green diesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Martin Well done! I don't think this is a very good reply you got though. They charge good money for this thing, and deliberately use it to influence, which it does - it gets into all the mainstream media. They'd be giving better value for money (maybe the difference that would make it a

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert! Welcome back. I hope you're receiving messages okay now. Please let me know if you have any problems. Re wasted wood, I picked this up somewhere or other, for the US, not Canada: In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets - platforms associated with shipping -

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi Robert, Building houses is always a special experience. I always said that if your marriage survives a building project, it survives almost anything. I inserted some comments, At 10:24 PM 11/23/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hello Everyone! It's been five months since I've been able to post

[biofuel] Corvette Diesel?

2002-11-24 Thread Steve Spence
This must be a early april fools joke. the only corvette diesel I've seen is at http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/visby/index.html Corvette DIESEL ENGINE LEADS GM INTO 21st CENTURY DETROIT - As leaders in quality, design and technology, General Motors continues the tradition of

[biofuel] Re: What fuels will replace Aviation Turbine Fuels

2002-11-24 Thread Steve Spence
http://www.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk/research/combusti/thesis/1_3_2_4.html 3.2.4. Heavy oils as gas turbine fuels The efficient use of heavy oils in gas turbines is aided by standardising its properties. Work was carried out jointly by ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers) and ASTM (American

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Kim Garth Travis
I have found statistics that say for every three new houses built, one goes in the landfill, labor being more expensive than materials. This being true, many of us have figured out how to build with the landfill materials. There is a list dedicated to this topic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] One man

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Re wasted wood, I picked this up somewhere or other, for the US, not Canada: In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets - platforms associated with shipping - went into the solid waste stream, accounting for over 60 percent of all wood waste. And: There

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some pallets to be made of hardwood, but they should be guarded and reused. But this irresponsible behavior cannot be

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Neil and Adele Craven
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Back Online snippo Even the fast growing teak, developed mainly in central and south America, takes at least 2-4 the time to mature as

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
Niel, I thought by translation from Swedish that it is usually direct related to the size of the yearly addition of thickness and the age of the tree. This does not necessary translates to the hardness of the wood, but in many cases it does. What it does translate to is the time it takes for

Fwd: Re: FW: green diesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I've corresponded with Jim Kliesch at ACEEE also as to the lack of recommendations and information on biodiesel in the green guide to vehicles. He does know his stuff, has looked into biodiesel extensively, and in the realm where he

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: FW: green diesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only 10%? that's a significant percentage. all from a waste product. I'd be happy with that number. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:

[biofuel] Pallet walls

2002-11-24 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
It has always seemed to me that there might be a way to use pallets, stood vertically as a non-load bearing infill or curtain wall - as infill between posts, filled with insulation, and a coating of plaster/stucco/mud etc? They always reminds me of the old lathe/plaster walls

Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread James Slayden
Just went to the seminar with Ianto Evans promoting his book The Hand Sculpted House and it was excellent. He showed pics of what a stick frame built house looks like after mother nature takes over and what a cob structure looks like (very organic, mud back to mud). I started reading some of

Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-24 Thread Kenneth Kron
OK Ken I searched greasecar.com and it's an interesting site but I can't find any reference IRS and Federal excise tax. Can you give a more specific pointer? Kenneth Ken Provost wrote: In case anyone hasn't been to the greascar site lately, they have an interesting blurb that the IRS wrote

Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-24 Thread Ken Provost
OK Ken I searched greasecar.com and it's an interesting site but I can't find any reference IRS and Federal excise tax. Can you give a more specific pointer? Scroll to the bottom of the page. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- ·FREE Health Insurance

[biofuel] [biofuels-biz] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread Thor Skov
Graham, Keith, Tom, et. al. Graham, First, I sincerely hope that you do not bow out of this discussion, as your participation does provide a perspective that otherwise has been absent (in my limited experience with this listserve). I also want to thank Keith for his wonderful post a while back

[biofuel] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Thor Thanks for this contribution, positive and constructive, and what we all should be doing. I also hope Graham doesn't bow out. Though I must say that what his unique perspective has mostly provided so far is a rather clear picture of why biodieselers tend to distrust industry, and

Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-24 Thread Hakan Falk
http://www.greasecar.com/homedetail.cfm?ID=3 Hakan At 05:35 PM 11/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: OK Ken I searched greasecar.com and it's an interesting site but I can't find any reference IRS and Federal excise tax. Can you give a more specific pointer? Kenneth Ken Provost wrote: In case

Fwd: Timber species

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neil and Adele Craven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I merely make the point to clarify timber species, however huon pine is a Gymnosperm ie a softwood but is an incredibly slow growing tree. My point was that the fact that they make a tree faster growing does not change

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Timber species

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you and my comment about teak was more of an attempt to joke, than a serious suggestion. Stupid joke that I regret when I read it after the posting. You have several slow growing softwood trees, but hardly fast growing

Fwd: new SVO fuels database

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kieth, Thanks for your support of the new database, apparently there was some confusion about whether the German database included the use of biodiesel methyl ester, or not, which creates too much uncertainty in the

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Re: FW: green diesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry, I do not think that anyone suggest WVO as only source for bio diesel should do the job, and 10% is a lot if you think about the 90% use of diesel in train and heavy road transport. You could run all current diesel automobiles

Fwd: Concrete alternative and wood waste (was Back Online)

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert luis rabello wrote: snip concrete manufacturing is VERY energy intensive and next time we'll have to be more careful about property selection. Any ideas about alternatives out there? Several. Pressure treated wood

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shawn Zenor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Hakan Falk wrote: Only in America!!! snip Hardwood is mostly a tropical or sub tropical tree and how can US use this for pallets and at the same time be upset about the deforestation

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a local guy recycling wood here for a while - he got some great stuff from pallets. One was a valuable African hardwood, prized by instrument makers. That one piece, from a pallet he got for free, was worth a few

Fwd: RE: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], harley3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Falk: Your information was exaggerated and dated. The hardwood pallet made in the U.S., are reused. Most of the wood pallets have been replaced with a longer life plastic pallets of one design or another. When wood pallets

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] BIG INDUSTRY responds...

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Graham, I am starting to think that this isn't just a commerce vs. homebrew think, but more of a east coast vs. left coast thing. Here is the reason why. World Energy hasn't been inhibited in moving into the California

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, Keith talked about hardwood pallets in US land fills as six per American. This means nearly 2 billion hardwood pallets in land fills. The shear size of this made me quite upset. I know that the Americans are second best in

Fwd: RE: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Harley, If you are right, I will sleep better. Knowing that the landfill now is long life plastic pallets. At least it is dumped in American land fills. Something for future Archeological excavations, if some one is left to do

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting I was just thinking about this while up in Berkley and seeing all the lonely pallets just lying around. It's a shame. I don't know home much of the industry still contiunes to use hardwood pallets, but there is a

Fwd: RE: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that reclaimation of the landfills will happen well before Archeologists have a chance to study it. ;-) Someone will realize that mining the landfills produces much wealth. James Slayden On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Hakan Falk

Fwd: Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case anyone hasn't been to the greascar site lately, they have an interesting blurb that the IRS wrote back to a California co-op about US Federal taxes. Here it is: No Federal Excise tax on biodiesel or SVO if you use less than

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hrmm, 1600 gallons per year divide that by 52 weeks and you come out with 30.76 bla bla bla gallons per week. So, one could say that a homebrewer is safe as long as they kept their miles down. Better start looking into

Fwd: RE: [biofuel] Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, You are probably right :-( . With current oil depletion it will be very high value. No proof left of our generations stupid behavior. Hakan At 04:07 PM 11/24/2002 -0800, you wrote: I'm sure that reclaimation of the

Fwd: biodiesel tests, correction on James' post was Re: [biofuel] BIG INDUSTRY responds...

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got some corrections on James' post: In the class yesterday we spent some time discussing homebrew quality control, and quality tests that can be done by homebrewers in the absence of gas chromotography, NIR, and other equipment.

Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Excise tax on Biodiesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it is the owner of the car that is responsible to pay the tax, if it is the same rules as Europe, it is in practise a tax exemption for bio diesel. Especially for an owner of one or two Lupos. Hakan At 04:16 PM 11/24/2002

Fwd: Re: biodiesel tests, correction on James' post was Re: [biofuel] BIG INDUSTRY responds...

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I stand corrected. Yes there was quite a lot going on Sorry, did not mean to cause any more confusion. I was under the impression that the Ecology Center's BD was from Yokayo, but your history of their previous troubles

Re: [biofuel] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread girl mark
Being the obsessed quality tests homebrewer, I've been looking into the Leonardo site (very useful!) and was obsessively bugging everyone I knew for a translation of the residual catalyst test kit they described. From what I could make out from the babelfish translation (the original German

[biofuel] more on quality testing stuf

2002-11-24 Thread girl mark
I think my post below doesn't make something clear I do encourage everyone to do quality testing, as much of it as they can figure out (other than specific gravity or viscosity which I think are not useful tests, at least when performed on unwashed fuel) I just want to also make the point that

Re: [biofuel] Re: A response to ... eh-hem.... Big Industry? was Re: BIG

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Being the obsessed quality tests homebrewer, I've been looking into the Leonardo site (very useful!) and was obsessively bugging everyone I knew for a translation of the residual catalyst test kit they described. From what I could make out from the babelfish translation (the original German

[biofuel] ARGGGH, even more on quality testing stuf

2002-11-24 Thread girl mark
Arggh, I missed something else I was gonna write: Acid number (titration with KOH, on washed fuel) will tell you about unreacted free fatty acids. Washing with vinegar or other acid in the wash water will throw off the ability of that test to tell you about your process. Mark And like other

[biofuel] WARNING! - enemy action by Yahoo

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Yahoo - Yahell! LOL! - is up to its less-than-charming bouncing tricks once again. There have been some viruses going about, and we don't get them here on these lists because they're set to text-only, no html, and no attachments. Which doesn't stop Yahoo doing it to us anyway. For the fifth

[biofuel] Fwd: Re: pH questions, somewhat urgent

2002-11-24 Thread girl mark
Hi all, Keith asked me offlist for directions for the acid number determination. Here's the info, forwarded from an offlist exchange I had with Todd Swearingen a few weeks ago, about this and other quality standards stuff... Mark Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:55:01 -0400 Maria, Looking at the

[biofuel] Re: FW: green diesel

2002-11-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Jerry --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I've corresponded with Jim Kliesch at ACEEE also as to the lack of recommendations and information on biodiesel in the green guide to vehicles. Good! He does know his stuff, has looked into biodiesel extensively,

[biofuel] fuel haze questions

2002-11-24 Thread girl mark
biofuelers, (and coop members and Todd Swearingen) I am somewhat unclear on what the factors are that influence fuel haze. Could someone post info about it? Fuel haze is of course water in the fuel, but it seems that it takes a differing amount of time for haze to clear- are there different

Re: [biofuel] fuel haze questions

2002-11-24 Thread Ken Provost
I am somewhat unclear on what the factors are that influence fuel haze. Could someone post info about it? Fuel haze is of course water in the fuel, but it seems that it takes a differing amount of time for haze to clear- are there different chemical factors that cause biodiesel to hold on to

Re: [biofuel] Timber species

2002-11-24 Thread Neil and Adele Craven
Sadly no, I teach woodwork for a living to high school children, the majority of whom merely waste the resource and I recycle it into firewood, and have no knowledge of the person you are refering to. Sorry. Neil Canberra Australia - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To:

Re: [biofuel] fuel haze questions

2002-11-24 Thread girl mark
I've read some stuff on Maui about Neutral talking about post- wash settling in an open container exposed to open air being some important part of the picture for him. I don't always agree with Neutral's conclusions, though, and I don't remember why he though that air movement over the

[biofuel] Re: Back Online

2002-11-24 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only in America!!! I was not aware of that US made pallets of hardwood and did not think that it could ever be a stupid luxury consumption like this. I can see reason for some pallets to be made of hardwood, but they should