Re: [biofuels-biz] RE: californians 50%

2003-01-26 Thread murdoch
You know, while it may be true that Californians have practiced and studied some good conservation principles, I also think David has a point. Back when I was taking some hard look at America's overall energy usage, home heating oil is a very significant part of that usage. Sometimes the

Re: [biofuels-biz] RE: californians 50%

2003-01-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi MM, Look at, http://california.energy.saving.nu/ especially, http://energy.saving.nu/california/victim.shtml and http://peakdemand.energy.saving.nu/ http://fastfixes.energy.saving.nu/ and you will find some data. It is quite interesting and you can see what I was pointing out

Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners bu rning glycerine,Ê ffa'sÊ

2003-01-26 Thread Tilapia
OK, its the least I can do. I'm amazed sometimes about how complicated this invention process can be. And how much money it takes. As of today, I am seemingly hours from light off, I think. You understand, I built one conversion system to turn a Beckett burner into a Babington burner. That

Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-26 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
My 2 cents worth sent to the biofuels list by mistake: Fossil fuel users... an evolutionary dead end Ed On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 12:25 PM, murdoch wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 02:45:31 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Suggestions at, http://energy.saving.nu/stickers/ Hakan You've

[biofuels-biz] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-26 Thread murdoch
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 02:45:31 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Suggestions at, http://energy.saving.nu/stickers/ Hakan You've been very industrious. I would suggest for the Californian one you add the word Real (e.g. Real Californians Use Biofuel). I sort of like the Supply and Demand Biofuels Now!

Re: [biofuels-biz] bubble drying- big correction

2003-01-26 Thread David Teal
Mark, When you raised the bubble-dry issue a few weeks back, I wasn't convinced that the main action was necessarily water evaporation. I tend to store samples of biodiesel in capped 2 litre Dr. Pepper style plastic bottles, and had noticed that if an air space is left above the liquid, it

Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners bu rning glyc erine,Ê ffa'sÊ

2003-01-26 Thread David Teal
Tom, Mark, For comparison, my glyc. burner is a converted natural gas water heater from my brother's house. It started with one Babbington nozzle fashioned from a soup-spoon, with air supplied from a 12 volt tyre-inflating compressor. Enough ambient air is entrained by the atomising jet to

Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners bu rning glyc erine,Ê ffa'sÊ

2003-01-26 Thread Tilapia
David T. That's great, you are really progressing here. I've done some fuel combination work, but I've got a lot more to do this spring. The two Babington jets going together probably will work, but it sounds complicated to me. I have one waste oil based flame onto a sloping heavy metal drip

[biofuels-biz] Re: californians 50%

2003-01-26 Thread murdoch
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:14:02 +0100, you wrote: Hi MM, Look at, http://california.energy.saving.nu/ California has about 12% of U.S. population (33 million out of 272 million as of 1999 Almanac Figures), not the nearly 20% that you have in your statement at that top. Even accounting for

[biofuels-biz] Re: [evworld] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-26 Thread James Slayden
Cool!! Like Real Californians Eat x. I really like that one. Thanks for the suggestion Murdoch!! Hey Hakan, you might also want to include the SVO'rs out there, Real Californian's Use SVO or Real Californian's Use WVO (acroynm's could be expanded). James Slayden On Sun, 26 Jan 2003,

[biofuels-biz] the plot thickens was Re: [biofuel] bubble drying- big correction

2003-01-26 Thread girl mark
Continuing in the overly dramatic subject line for this thread vein... Well I went to weigh and then to dry and reweigh the samples I had, and found another annoying and very odd thing. Here's a recap: a few weeks ago when I started experimenting with 'bubbledrying', I had taken some freshly

[biofuel] Re: [biofuels-biz] RE: californians 50%

2003-01-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi MM, Look at, http://california.energy.saving.nu/ especially, http://energy.saving.nu/california/victim.shtml and http://peakdemand.energy.saving.nu/ http://fastfixes.energy.saving.nu/ and you will find some data. It is quite interesting and you can see what I was pointing out

Re: [biofuel] oil production

2003-01-26 Thread Doug Foskey
Permaculture is a design system, not a farming system. Which is not to knock it. But,IMO, you'd do better to start with the work of Howard and the founders of organic growing, or at least add it to permaculture. I think this is underrating Permaculture a bit. It IS a system, that can be

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: sticker

2003-01-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Published http://energy.saving.nu/stickers/ Hakan At 08:29 PM 1/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: Fossil fuel users: ... an evolutionary dead end. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT

[biofuel] Permaculture/Gangamama Mandala

2003-01-26 Thread milliontc
Permaculture is a design system, not a farming system. .. The things I like most about Permaculture are... - It is inspirational - it's easy to enthuse people with the concept I'm presently building a 'Gangamama Mandala' in my back garden - 100m2 feeding 5. Find out all about it and view a

Re: [biofuel] bubble drying- big correction

2003-01-26 Thread rpg
- Original Message - From: girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Like I said I haven't done this qualitatively before- so I don't know if the amount of water sufficient to form haze in the fuel is a sufficient mass of water for me to weigh on a .1g sensitivity scale. any ideas on what

Re: [biofuel] Composting Glycerine?

2003-01-26 Thread Keith Addison
Mark - very interesting side issue - urban and peri urban agriculture. Should food be grown in cities with high levels of air pollution that precipitates onto the plantsor perhaps we should think also in terms of growing fuel instead (mustard, sunflowers, etc.) in these urban and periurban

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)

2003-01-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Craig Keith, Please do. I feel sorta badly about promoting the Elsbett when Ed and Charlie are making such good kits, but the Elsbett is of a higher order - truly something that allows Granny to drive your car (or her car) on SVO - just tell her she can fuel up with dinodiesel if she runs

Re: [biofuel] WVO storage

2003-01-26 Thread Keith Addison
NeilUSA wrote: Once WVO cools down, micro-organisms I understand set about the task of consuming the oil turning it rancid in as little as a month. It varies very widely. I've had some very over-cooked oil that lasted more than a year, but I dewatered it first. I think that's the best

Re: [biofuel] WVO additives

2003-01-26 Thread Keith Addison
NeilUSA wrote: According to the archives pertaining to the TDI-SVO controversy: Is this in the archives? There are similar things in the archives, but I think this is from here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_TDI.html The TDI-SVO controversy Anyway... ***

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)

2003-01-26 Thread craigreece
Keith, My hope is that others - Greasel, Ed at Neoteric, other as-yet-unknown SVO kit makers - will come up with their own single-tank systems. Elsbett makes a great product, but until they have a better English-language website and much better phone and email tech support, and way way better

[biofuel] Compost and pollution

2003-01-26 Thread girl mark
I didn't mean to imply that just because I live in a city I wouldn't want to grow food. I have done a lot of that in the city. It just so happens that I now live in a particularly nasty area on the railroad tracks and every time the trains go by (once every 15 minutes it seems) a huge cloud

Re: [biofuel] WVO storage

2003-01-26 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Also, keep it in the dark. Light accelerates decomposition, I understand. Edward Beggs Neoteric Biofuels Inc. Home of G3 SVO systems and VEG-Therm 12/24V vegoil heaters http://www.biofuels.ca On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Keith Addison wrote: NeilUSA wrote: Once WVO cools

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)

2003-01-26 Thread craigreece
Steve, You wrote: We have fooled around with single tank solutions, but found them unreliable in cold usa climates. the two tank system gives the best of both worlds. biodiesel in the factory tank, and vegetable oil in the second, easy to install, tank. Steve Spence I agree that a

[biofuel] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-26 Thread murdoch
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 02:45:31 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Suggestions at, http://energy.saving.nu/stickers/ Hakan You've been very industrious. I would suggest for the Californian one you add the word Real (e.g. Real Californians Use Biofuel). I sort of like the Supply and Demand Biofuels Now!

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Elsbett (long)

2003-01-26 Thread Steve Spence
We have fooled around with single tank solutions, but found them unreliable in cold usa climates. the two tank system gives the best of both worlds. biodiesel in the factory tank, and vegetable oil in the second, easy to install, tank. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter

[biofuel] Re: californians 50%

2003-01-26 Thread murdoch
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:14:02 +0100, you wrote: Hi MM, Look at, http://california.energy.saving.nu/ California has about 12% of U.S. population (33 million out of 272 million as of 1999 Almanac Figures), not the nearly 20% that you have in your statement at that top. Even accounting for

[biofuel] Craig/ Elsbett/Neoteric G3/Others

2003-01-26 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
On Sunday, January 26, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Craig Keith, Please do. I feel sorta badly about promoting the Elsbett when Ed and Charlie are making such good kits, but the Elsbett is of a higher order - truly something that allows Granny to drive your car (or

Re: [biofuel] Re: [evworld] Re: bumper stickers- let's make 'em! :)

2003-01-26 Thread craigreece
Or the banner Mark saw at the antiwar march in SF - Real Men don't Get Gas. But it sorta leaves the women out. (But of course women don't get gas anyway, as we all know.) Craig James Slayden wrote: Cool!! Like Real Californians Eat x. I really like that one. Thanks for the suggestion

Re: [biofuel] Re: californians 50%

2003-01-26 Thread Hakan Falk
MM, Thank you, I corrected the percentage. I used the number that somebody said, but did not check it sufficiently. You are right and it fit also better with the other data, now when I checked it. Maybe my population number included Canada as North America, same mistake as when many talks about

the plot thickens was Re: [biofuel] bubble drying- big correction

2003-01-26 Thread girl mark
Continuing in the overly dramatic subject line for this thread vein... Well I went to weigh and then to dry and reweigh the samples I had, and found another annoying and very odd thing. Here's a recap: a few weeks ago when I started experimenting with 'bubbledrying', I had taken some freshly