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Hola,
In talking with someone recently who is interested in purchasing some
biodiesel, and interesting comment came up in our email exchange. He
indicated that he was more interested in biodiesel made from crude VO than
that made of WVO. I was trying to convince him that the WVO option was
James: side issue...how do people feel about the fact that much
biodiesel will be coming from animal fats, especially in warm climates?
Will commercial biodiesel need to be sold as veg and non-veg origin,
aside from this WVO/SVO source issue, (which is silly, there is no CO
sequestering
Sounds to me like the one that got away, I don't hear this kind of
thinking very much and I'd say your customer has a weak or non-existent
science background so I wouldn't try to approach it from a scientific
point of view.
I would tell them it was a very intersesting perspective that you had
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:18:05 +0900
To: Mike Jureidini \(SAFF\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ethanol update - South Australia
Thanks Mike, and the best of luck with the Summit. Let us know at
the lists if there's anything we can do to help.
I'll
Fiber of the future available today!
Kenaf is a 4,000 year old NEW crop with roots in ancient Africa. A member
of the hibiscus family (Hibiscus cannabinus L), it is related to cotton and
okra, and grows well in many parts of the U.S. It offers a way to make paper
without cutting trees. Kenaf
Mark wrote:
CF bulb prices are plummeting. 3 for $10 at home depot
The last time I looked was last year about this time.
Darn, thats a good price!!!
I heard last year the next generation CFL bulbs where
coming out thus explaining the plummeting prices
I'd guess.
Biofuel at
Damian Anderson wrote:
Hmm. If you run a car on compressed air, does it not take energy to
compress it? What do you run the compressor on? Gasoline?
Check the archives, it's all been discussed here a few times.
Also, if fossil fuel is from dinosaurs, is it not already bio fuel?
From
Speaking petroleum prices some USA radio programs
were mentioning the Iraq crude would cost about
$1 USD per barrel to pump from the Iraq oil fields
averaging 600 metres below the surface.
If true that would make some US/UK petroleum companies
happy (particularly Exxon, Chevron and BP,
Dear Hiedi,
If you are asked by your spouse and family, that think that you are
neglecting them, they might have a point.
If you live in a country govern by dictatorship and you risk your life and
personal freedom, it is understandable that you will consider this.
If you are asked by Keith,
Dear Hiedi,
If you are asked by your spouse or family, that think you neglect them,
they might have a point.
If you live in a country govern by dictatorship and risk your personal
safety it is understandable.
If you are asked by Keith, which is very hard to believe, you must hurt
others by
Dear Damian,
Another skewed view about dictatorships and democracy. Many of what we
historically consider as the the worst examples of dictators, was duly
elected by the people in a democratic system. On state or country level,
some countries try to apply very global dictatorship towards the
Damian, I think you missed one major point about 'biofullers': Biofuel
is much much cleaner than dino-fuel, so people prefer to use biodiesel
where possible. Even though it may cost me more to run my van on
Biodiesel, I will be smiling at the thought of 99% less pollutants. Oil
is dirty. Diesel
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Damian:
Air car runs by expanding the compressed air, releasing cool air(nice for
the passengers)
http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html
Check above for how it works! Need electricity or solar power to
compress
the air and use as fuel for the aircar.
But wave your hands in the
When UK and Sweden can join the Euro system, it pegs to the American
Dollars.
So we all have easier time for price reference!
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From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel]
Even the gasoline price is cheaper here than in Europe, there are hidden
costs!
Must free the hands of the decision makers to commit more military
involvement in Middle East. Besides the $32/barrel we are paying for the
crude, according the national accounting office. Adding the cost of
It's maybe the Bush administration's revitalizing economy plan, by bring
in
cheaper crude oil.
The oil companies can keep their profit margin or even higher.
And the consumers will be happy to have cheaper gasoline, and can give
some
incentives and revitalize the
economy! It seem to be a
Hi Hakan
Dear Hiedi,
If you are asked by your spouse or family, that think you neglect them,
they might have a point.
If you live in a country govern by dictatorship and risk your personal
safety it is understandable.
If you are asked by Keith, which is very hard to believe, you must hurt
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I just recently got a pack of 5 CF 60W replacements (twist type) at Costco
for ~$9, which would mean they're about $2 bucks a pop. Not bad
methinnks. They also had a 3 pack of 100W replactments for the same.
What I am still searching for is a good priced Full Spectrum 100W
replacement CF.
Hakan,
If it is a government of the people, by the people, for the people, then
it is a democracy. A society in which the people do not have the option
to change their government if they don't like it is not a democracy. What
democracies are there in the Middle East? I would count Israel and
Nick,
Do you have scientific data to show that biofuel is cleaner than
petroleum? Does it not depend on the engine? My car is certified as an
Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle. I guess if you are running a 20 year old
gas guzzler, it may run in a dirty way, but good modern engines are
very clean.
If it were sold as individual gallons in Costco gasoline wouldn't be $1.50 a
gallon.
Kirk
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From: Damian J. Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:13 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Taxed To DEATH
I was in Costco
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
Some people might argue that oil, coal and other petrochemical stocks are
derived from ancient biological sources, and so they might be included, but,
true BioFuels come from renewable sources, that do not add to the burden on
the atmosphere. Some
How practical is that if I want to drive from Washington DC to Miami? It
takes 4 hours to refuel. I can see that it might make sense for commuting
in a city, but then you would need another car anyway to take the wife and
4 kids anywhere.
Damian Anderson
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Tricia Liu
Hello,
I'm new in making Biodiesel, and while trying, I came up to something I do not
understand.
From one of the one-liter batches I'm trying, I tried to split the soap again
into FFA.
So the deposits of the trans-esterification, I seperated, and mixed with
H2SO4.
The oil source was WVO,
I think that we have a troll in here .. it is starting to sound like
the John Grant thread on energy renewables.
Keith, any comments
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Damian J. Anderson wrote:
Nick,
Do you have scientific data to show that biofuel is cleaner than
petroleum? Does it not depend
Regarding the air car, I don't even know why we are talking about a car that
doesn't even exist and in my opinion will not exist in our future. Might as
well be using the bandwidth to talk about a vehicle that runs on MGP.
(Magnetic Gravity Pulse). Very, very far into the future.
Bio-diesel and
Well said Hakan. This is one of the post that I read
first everytime I check my mail, so keep it coming.
Mon
--- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Hiedi,
If you are asked by your spouse and family, that
think that you are
neglecting them, they might have a point.
If you live
Hakan,
Just re-reading your article on energy.saving.nu and came across the
paragraph on what ethanol producers are doing to court BigOil. I believe
that we are already seeing that in the Biodiseel industry. Take a look at
BlueSun and also SeQuential. They are prime for some type of buyout
Jesse,
There is already a big biofuel lobby in the USA, namely the agribusinesses
such as Archer Daniels Midland who favor ethanol production from
corn. However, it is more expensive to make than oil, so it is not a
cost-attractive alternative. Yet they receive big subsidies from the
public
(Apologies for cross-posting)...this is in response to a discussion on
the biofuels list EB
Damian, Keith and all:
Going to jump in here for a minute:
I was going to go to an electric a few years ago. Then I drove one. No
range, need for $$batteries, etc. led me to look for something better.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Damian.
You see, I'm an American. I've lived all my life as an American. I grew
up .. worshiping America ... singing the praises of belonging to the country
... who does everything with the (let's sing it) arm of God ... truth and
right!
You see, I
Damian J. Anderson wrote:
snip
By the way, what did you think of George Bush's proposal yesterday to
invest $1.2 billion towards research in developing a hydrogen powered car?
That would not be biofuel, but it would be renewable and not make our
societies dependent on corrupt dictatorships.
I vote for more Heidi posting also !!
Bob Coyne
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Fwd: Waste Oil Furnace
Dear Hiedi,
If you are asked by your spouse or family,
I think Keith once mentioned it being OK to discussed EV's here. I-THINK
(LOL).
Keith??
Curtis
P.S. Keep me informed too. I'm a EV and Hydrogen ... as well as BioDiesel
Enthusiast.
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From:
Now that you mention it, it does sound like it.
Greg H.
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From: James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:30
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Taxed To DEATH
I think that we have a troll in here .. it is
Is there not a danger of fire putting combustible materials in a microwave
oven?
Damian
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, girl mark wrote:
Theoretically a backyard test for water content is to weigh a sample, then
heat to past the boiling point of water, then weigh again. Someone figured
out once that
I just recently got a pack of 5 CF 60W replacements (twist type) at Costco
for ~$9, which would mean they're about $2 bucks a pop. Not bad
methinnks. They also had a 3 pack of 100W replactments for the same.
Hi James,
I thought my return on investment looked pretty good six years ago.
Darryl,
The rubric of the biofuel group says this:
biofuel รก Biofuels, Journey to Forever: how to make your own
biofuel, biodiesel, ethanol, bioenergy, distillation, renewable energy
So I would suppose that fuel cells and hydrogen would come under renewable
energy.
President
Jesse,
There is nothing to stop you becoming involved and taking responsibility
for the nation, and the political process. If you don't like it, change it.
Damian
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, studio53 wrote:
I'd have to agree wholeheartedly. I love this country like I love life, but
the original
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--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, studio53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd have to agree wholeheartedly. I love this country like I love
life, but
the original idea was for government to serve the people, taking on
a
background role. Now, the government is a business like any other
corporation,
Yes, SAD can be reduced by going outside. =) Sometimes that isn't always
an option, and it helps to have the full spectrum lighting.
Conservation is key. How transportation is set up is highly important to
transportation energy conservation. I walk to work most days, but I am
unusually lucky
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:04:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Damian J. Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Taxed To DEATH
Damian,
There is a lot of information available, on the
Journey to Forever website, the National Biodiesel
Board site, and elsewhere.
Here are a few references:
It sometimes takes time for you to see the results (24 hours?) . I don't
know enough aobut this to know if the calculation is correct, however you
can do a trial and error test series to figure out how much acid to use.
The first time I did this, I did a small test batch and with no results
Filip writes:
From one of the one-liter batches I'm trying, I tried to split the
soap again into FFA. So the deposits of the trans-esterification,
I seperated, and mixed with H2SO4.
Both phases, or just the glycerine phase that had already settled out
using an NaOH catalyst? It's not clear
Damian writes:
There is already a big biofuel lobby in the USA, namely the agribus-
inesses such as Archer Daniels Midland who favor ethanol production .
The main problem with fossil fuels appears to be the political insta-
bility of the sources. They burn producing carbon dioxide and water
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:18:05 +0900
To: Mike Jureidini \(SAFF\) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ethanol update - South Australia
Thanks Mike, and the best of luck with the Summit. Let us know at
the lists if there's anything we can do to help.
I'll
You need to take into account the efficiency losses:
Hydro/Nuclear/solar/wind/etc Electric generator - transmission lines -
electric motor - mechanical air compressor - pipes - air motor -
mechanical transmission - rubber wheels
I don't know how efficient this would be, but I'm guessing below
James Slayden wrote:
What I am still searching for is a good priced Full Spectrum 100W
replacement CF. They are quite expensive right now at ~$20 a pop. Don't
want to get SAD in the wintertime.
James Slayden
When we did the lights for our new house, I specified full spectrum CF
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Besides the fact that it is all plastic and look like it's CG?
Greg H.
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From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 21:11
Subject: [biofuel] What's wrong with this picture?
Damian J. Anderson wrote:
By the way, what did you think of George Bush's proposal yesterday to
invest $1.2 billion towards research in developing a hydrogen powered
car?
It's a distraction from the real issues of energy conservation and
investment in workable technology. I'm a
damian,
supposedly the biodiesel doesn't heat up very fast- the person who reported
doing this test said that the water boiled off and the biodiesel was still
cool to the touch. I'm sure you would want to only nuke it in
several-second bursts. I havetn' tried doing this, not liking microwave
Presumably he is referring to fuel cells, and not combustion. So we are
actually
talking about fuel cell electric vehicles (FCEVs). As you stated, hydrogen is
not
a biofuel, nor is it likely to be produced from biofuels in any significant
quantity. Today, most is derived from petroleum
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