date:20051201

Call whoever sells it and ask for the MSDS sheet.

Purbo J. Wignjosajono wrote:

 I am asuming that it is not a dangerous substance. I hope my 
 assumption is correct.
  
 PJW

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 *From:* Purbo J. Wignjosajono
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 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing

 It contained a water treatment called Aquatreat 602 N. When I
 browsed the internet, it consists NaCL and a polymer but I am not
 sure what kind of polymer it was.
  
 PJW

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 *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:31 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing

 Yes Purbo,

 even on a professional level,
 but ...
 if you like specific tricks and tips,
 you need to tell us what was in it before.
 Washing a soap barrel asks for other means than an oil barrel.

 grts
 Bruno M.
 
 At 07:24 01/12/2005, Purbo wrote:

 Dear All,
 
 Has anybody ever tried to wash a 55-gallon (200 litre) HDPE
 drums?
 Please share your experience.
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing

Most of those barrels come from car washes, so waterever is in side has 
to water soluable.  I've washed a number of them.  I used Castille soap 
and a hose, then rolled/shook w/ Isopropyl alcohol, but the last part is 
because I have a lot of it.  I've made quite a bit of BD using them.  So 
far so good. 

-Mike

Purbo J. Wignjosajono wrote:

 It contained a water treatment called Aquatreat 602 N. When I browsed 
 the internet, it consists NaCL and a polymer but I am not sure what 
 kind of polymer it was.
  
 PJW

 - Original Message -
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 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing

 Yes Purbo,

 even on a professional level,
 but ...
 if you like specific tricks and tips,
 you need to tell us what was in it before.
 Washing a soap barrel asks for other means than an oil barrel.

 grts
 Bruno M.
 
 At 07:24 01/12/2005, Purbo wrote:

 Dear All,
 
 Has anybody ever tried to wash a 55-gallon (200 litre) HDPE drums?
 Please share your experience.
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing

2005-12-01 Thread Purbo J. Wignjosajono




I am asuming that it is not 
a dangerous substance. I hope my assumption is correct.

PJW

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Purbo J. Wignjosajono 
  
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:01 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums 
  Washing
  
  It contained a water 
  treatment called Aquatreat 602 N. When I browsed the internet, it consists 
  NaCL and a polymer but I am not sure what kind of polymer it was.
  
  PJW
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Bruno M. 

To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:31 
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums 
Washing
Yes Purbo,even on a professional level,but 
...if you like specific tricks and tips,you need to tell us what was 
in it before.Washing a soap barrel asks for other means than an oil 
barrel.grtsBruno 
M.At 07:24 01/12/2005, 
Purbo wrote:Dear All,Has anybody ever tried to 
wash a 55-gallon (200 litre) HDPE drums?Please share your 
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[Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

*ALERT UPDATE: EPA PROPOSED RULE ALLOWS CHEMICAL AND PESTICIDE TESTING 
ON KIDS *
Thanks to everyone who responded to the OCA Alert in the last issue of 
Organic Bytes. So far, the EPA has been deluged with over 20,000 
comments from OCA supporters demanding changes in the EPA's 
controversial proposed rule on human chemical testing, which contains 
loopholes that would allow the testing of chemicals and pesticides on 
children. EPA's proposal flies in the face of massive public opposition 
and directives from Congress and the National Academy of Sciences to 
stop industry from carrying out unethical studies on children. In the 
wake of this strong citizen backlash, the EPA is frantically trying to 
discredit the OCA and other organizations working on this issue (such as 
the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Center for Health and 
Environmental Justice, and Public Employees for Environmental 
Responsibility, etc.) by flat out denying that the proposed rule 
contains exceptions for testing toxics on children. Unfortunately for 
the EPA PR greenwashing efforts, the actual proposed rule is still 
posted on the EPA website 
http://www.nacua.org/documents/ProtectionsSubjectsHumanResearch.pdf, 
where the public can look beyond the agency's rhetoric and read the rule 
themselves. We invite you to read these sections of the proposed 
regulations, which allow chemical or pesticide testing on children under 
the following circumstances:

   1. Children who cannot be reasonably consulted, such as those that
  are mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on.
  With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of the
  individual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of
  research.
   2. Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on children
  who have been neglected or abused.
   3. Chemical studies on any children outside of the U.S. are acceptable.

If you haven't already done so please learn more and send an instant 
letter to the EPA here (public comment period expires Dec.12) 
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Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.

You're probably right.  This is really my first complete system and it's 
mostly designed to be cheap.

I looked into AGM and solar designed batteries but balked at the cost.  
No one sells them locally that I could find and shipping
was a lot of $$.  I've noticed Costco is now selling some new 
batteries.  So far the ones I'm using are ok, but then I've been taking  
good care of them.
After years in the car and towing business I understand lead acid 
batteries so part of it was comfort level.

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

I have this hooked to a bank of deep cycle marine
batteries,  Do not use car batteries.  Waste of money.



Actually, in my experience, marine deep cycle batteries are a waste of
money too.  They are not true deep cycle batteries like ones designed
for PV systems.  We used a bank of four of these for years, and every
year and a half, we'd be buying another one or two for $120 each from
Sears.   Part of the problem was that we would add two new batteries
each time, and keep the best two of the previous batch.  This is not a
good idea, as the worst ones will pull the others down to their level.
 But I would still be suprised to get more than 4 or 5 years out of
them.  The ones designed for solar use will last 5 years easily, or
perhaps 10 with care.  And they don't cost that much more than marine
deep cycle ones.  About $90 for a 200AH 6 volt T-105 battery, or $230
for a 400AH more durable L-16HC one.  If you can get the AGM
batteries, they are the best, but do cost a bit more.  I got two of
them which were on their way to recycling from a decomissioned PV
system (probably 5 years old when I got them), hooked them up to my PV
system, and haven't looked at them for the past two years.  Still have
lights and sound every night, and fridge in the summer.  Also, in
battery bank design, it's best to have everything in series.  If you
have too many parallel strings, the current doesn't divide perfectly
equally, and some batteries can fail before others.  Obviously, you
can't always avoid parallel strings, but this one a good reason to go
to larger cells for the big banks, because it means fewer strings. 
You can actually get single cells with 2000 AH rating, but you'll need
a forklift to move them too.  Also, fewer, larger, cells are faster to
service -- fewer caps to open and look in and add water too.

Zeke

On 11/30/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

4.  I've already done most of this:

I bought an aircooled small diesel $300.00 and use it to spin a GM small
frame alternator.  I put a larger sheve on the diesel to get the right
speed.
It puts out 1450 KW.  I have this hooked to a bank of deep cycle marine
batteries,  Do not use car batteries.  Waste of money.
I have an 1800 watt inverter hooked to this. Total cost under 1,000.00.
It runs on homebrew biodiesel.

This was an el cheapo project - I use it to power my biodiesel
processer/shed, and as back up power.

If I were doing it over again/or was planning it to power a house:
I would get a bigger small diesel (9-12 HP) and either buy a real genset
or get a rebuild HO alternator.  Many cars have 24 volt systems
nowadays.  You can also re-wind GM alternators for power output.  I
would get a water-cooled diesel engine and use the heat the keep the
power shed/house warm.  I would wire a system that would start the motor
when the power in the battery array dropped to a certain level.  The
farther down you drain the batteries, the faster they wear out.
I would have bought more batteries.  I have 4.  I would like 8-10.
57.00 ea at Costco.
I would add at least one PV array.

Isulate/soundproof the power shed.  It's loud.

Go to 24 v if you can, or even 48 v.

Spend the money to get a pure sine wave converter.

On your prevous questions, I've installed a second alternator - - I used
a GM and an old Chrysler mechanical regulator.  I used to be in the
towing business and used the rig for quick starts.  This was 20 years
ago, tho'.  Now I would just buy a more powerful alternator - with the
advent of giant sound systems there are a lot of places rebuilding them
for more power.

Not knowing what kind of car you have, it's hard to answer.  If you
happen to have a 1 ton truck with a diesel motor and a PTO (power take
off) you're home free.  If not, Evergreen is right, it's way too much
hassle.  Look at point 4.

Email me if you want the specifics of my system.

-Mike

Evergreen Solutions wrote:



Michael,

Unless my gmail is lying, and it might be, I didn't see other
repsonses to this email. I'd just like to ask a couple questions (and
say thanks for the chest freezer/fridge, that thing is awesome!)

1. Having recently replaced several alternators, I'm wondering how you
would plan to add *additional* alternators to your car, since they're
spun by a belt generally connected to the waterpump and the camshaft
assembly?

2. Adding to the previous question...you're talking about adding
additional drag to the motor, which will degrade your

Re: [Biofuel] Radioactive Leaks at Indian Point

Oh yes but don't you know Mike, that 'nukular' is the answer to our
energy problems? I have seen ads on the tube promoting it lately.
Nukular is the key to allowing us to go on with unsustainable ideals
and therefore it must be done! As if that's not enough Scientific
American ran a story a while back about what happens to these nuclear
dinosaurs after they are too old and dangerous to run. Apparently the
best idea yet is to hollow out a mountain somewhere in Colorado
(probably one of my beloved fourteeners no doubt) and put the hot
materials in there. Another bright idea was the old 'dilution is the
solution to polution' approach where we take hot materials and throw
them, a little at a time into the smelters with iron ore so we can
spread the joy around.

Well at least you can still move away from them, for now.

Joe

Michael Redler wrote:

I live 2.61 miles from the Indian Point Nuclear facility and
this is what I have to deal with.

Mike

THE BIG
LEAK - SEPTEMBER, 2005

Radioactive Leaks
from Irradiated Fuel Pools Raise New Worries

According
to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) website, Indian Point 2s
safety rating has been down rated from green to white status for the
second quarter. Again, the
NRC has been reticent in releasing significant safety information about
the plant, although the rating change occurred in August, this
information has only been recently released. The
plant lost its green rating because of degradation to the safety
injection system over a period of several weeksthis involved the
accumulation of nitrogen gas in portions of the safety injection system
which caused one pump to become inoperable and would have caused the
performance of the two remaining pumps to become degraded.

Mark Jacobs,
spokesperson for the Indian Point Safe Energy Coalition (IPSEC)
stated: Indian Point, the first nuclear reactor to be given a red
rating by the NRC after the February 2000 steam generator leak, is
again moving in the wrong direction. The current profile of problems
including degradation of the safety injection system, faulty sirens,
failing water pumps, defective emergency
sump pumps, defective fireproofing of electrical cables, two leaking
irradiated fuel pools, control rods dropping unexpectedly and a backlog
of over a thousands repairs show Indian Point to be too great a risk
for the surrounding community.
The
number of problems at the plant has raised the concern of state and
local officials. In response to this pressure the NRC recently issued
a "deviation" memo that called for increased scrutiny of the reactors.
Margo
Schepart of Westchester Citizens Awareness Network (WestCAN) said,
"They can inspect it until the cows come home. What good is that going
to do? It did not keep the spent fuel pool from leaking and it has not
kept the water pump operating properly.We need to put an end to this
nonsense. Indian Point is an aging plant that will unquestionably be
closed. The only question is when. And the only rational answer is:
as soon as possible. The minute this decision is made, the marketplace
will have the incentive to develop replacement energy sources."
As has been
reported, problems with the spent fuel pool at Indian Point have
resulted in the leak of the radioactive isotopes tritium, cesium and
cobalt into the soil and groundwater surrounding the pools. It has just been discovered that there have
been similar leaks at the decommissioned Connecticut Yankee nuclear plant.
Connecticut Yankee reports the east side concrete wall shows some
concentrations of cesium, cobalt, strontium and tritium, three of which
are the same isotopes found leaking from the Indian Point fuel pool.
In both cases
it is not known when the leak started or how much water was lost from
the spent fuel pool. In fact, the Indian Point 2 Spent fuel pool is
the only one in the country that was built without leak detection
channels between the steel liner and the concrete outer wall of the
pool. Had the pool been built consistently with other plants designs,
the leak would have been detected immediately. At Connecticut Yankee,
monitoring equipment failed to detect a leak. The leaks were found
much later by sampling water in nearby wells. In both cases
radioactive isotopes are migrating away from the pool and possibly into
ground water. In the case of Indian Point, the migration pathway
includes the Hudson River .
Marilyn Elie
of WestCAN said, It is now evident that these pools have reached the
end of their useful life. Reactors are like used cars, you can only
keep patching them up for so long and then you just can't throw enough
money at them to keep them operating safely.
"It is
unconscionable that nuclear corporations not only leak toxic materials,
but act like its no big deal," said Deb Katz, executive director of
Citizens Awareness Network. "Pool leakage is a systemic problem at
aging reactor sites. In western MA, Yankee Rowe's compromised fuel pool
leaked

Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.

Well the SI system (I don't know why we call it metric) has water
weighing 1 gram per cubic cm (cc) and a liter happens to be 1000 cc
therefore weighing a Kg. See how easy it is! Anyways something wierd
is going on with the maths because these examples do not agree in the
slightest.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:

I never made the transition to metric. Still using furlongs per
fortnite. Anyway, 100gpm is about 800 pounds per minute(830 is closer
but. . .) and 25 feet would be 800x25 or 20,000 foot pounds. A
horsepower is 33,000 foot pounds/minute so you are looking at about 2/3
of a horsepower for 1 minute. In electrical terms a horsepower is about
750 (746) watts and 2/3 of that is 500 watts for 1 minute or 0.5/60
kwhr or 1/120 of a kilowatt hour.

Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok
well according to them (your link) they are indicating that from a
similar height (25 ft) 100 GPM will result in 300 watts being
generated. My example released 400 gallons in 10 seconds and I
calculated 160 watts. But my example has 4 times as much water in one
sixth the time so why do I not get 24 times as much power?? I must be
overlooking something obvious here... I could have used the wrong
formula but I checked it and it was the right equationscroll down http://www.answers.com/topic/watt
This is the basic definition of power i.e. force through distance over
time.

What gives??

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

Take a look a the standard calculations for microhydro power systems. You need quite a bit of water, with decent head, to get any power. http://www.harrishydro.com/determineoutput.html On 3/2/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was trying to do one of those back of envelope calculations but the numbers I came up with are depressingly low. IIRC the formula for power in watts is (Kg*m^2*s^-3) So for a sample calculation I considered the following; 25mm of rain will fill my cistern which consists of 8, 50 gallon drums or roughly 1600 liters of water. If I had placed the cistern on stilts (strong ones) at roof level (roughly 10 m) I would have 1600 Kg at 10 m head. If I released all this water and it went through a 100 % efficient turbine in 10 seconds I could generate 160 watts during that time according to the above formula. Did I do something really dumb here or is that realistic?I feel like I missed somethingI hope.JoeEvergreen Solutions wrote:

7. In high school I had visions of a device for recharging batteries that went something like this: captures rain in a funnelled system (big opening = more
rain), rain travels downhill turning a series of wheels/cogs that via a system of gears works down to a very tight ratio (one spin of the first wheel = ~10 of the smalll wheel) which spin alternators to generate a charge to the batteries. The higher the system starts aerially, the more primary wheels, the more kinetic energy. Never built it, but...seemed reasonable. Then you could use your captured rainwater for your crops/drinking/whatever.

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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

Pysch.

bob allen wrote:


Jason and Katie wrote:
  

i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes,



yeah,  you and leona 'taxes are for little people helmsley



  if they want to stop me and
  

test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to
it when i get home.
America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me.

- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?




There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and
the State they sell fuel in.  They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for
on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not
dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they
pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump.  Ethanol and Biodiesel is
the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal
officials.  Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or
another but I havent heard of any tax breaks.  Now in the world of  do
it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I
leave that one there.

If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government
gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap
tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try.

Jim

Alan Petrillo wrote:

  

I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting
to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can pay their fair share of
highway maintenance costs.

Anyone know anything about this?


AP


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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?





Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!

Mike Weaver wrote:

  You guys DO know I work for the Treasury Dept.?

bob allen wrote:

  
  
Jason and Katie wrote:
 



  i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes,
   

  

yeah,  you and leona 'taxes are for little people" helmsley



 if they want to stop me and
 



  test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to
it when i get home.
America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me.

- Original Message -
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Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?


   

  
  
There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and
the State they sell fuel in.  They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for
on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not
dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they
pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump.  Ethanol and Biodiesel is
the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal
officials.  Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or
another but I havent heard of any tax breaks.  Now in the world of  do
it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I
leave that one there.

If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government
gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap
tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try.

Jim

Alan Petrillo wrote:

 



  I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting
to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can "pay their fair share of
highway maintenance costs."

Anyone know anything about this?


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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

You guys DO know I work for the Treasury Dept.?

bob allen wrote:


Jason and Katie wrote:
  

i dont give a fuzzy flying fuck about taxes,



yeah,  you and leona 'taxes are for little people helmsley



  if they want to stop me and
  

test my fuel for dyes, ill spend my time in the can, and get right back to
it when i get home.
America is a great country... its the idiots at the helm that bother me.

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There are two types of taxes for Fuel - State and Federal. All
registered fuel Sellers are required to be registered with the IRS and
the State they sell fuel in.  They inject a dye in the fuel - Yellow for
on road fuel Red for off road. I think all gasoline is taxed and not
dyed. ( I think the yellow has been discontinued now.) but any way they
pay a tax on every gallon sold at the pump.  Ethanol and Biodiesel is
the same as Dinogas and Dinodiesel in the eyes of the State and Federal
officials.  Some states do encourage alternate fuels by one means or
another but I havent heard of any tax breaks.  Now in the world of  do
it yourselfers it is how brave you are to avoid paying those taxes. I
leave that one there.

If you are talking about hybrids that use electricity the government
gets the fuel side tax but would have a rough time implementing a zap
tax for charging the vehicle but its not out of the question they may try.

Jim

Alan Petrillo wrote:

  

I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting
to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can pay their fair share of
highway maintenance costs.

Anyone know anything about this?


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Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Redler

Mike,Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've hadfriends who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and if it's really true.After doing some of my own research I came across somethingat www.commondreams.org. You may have already seen it.EPA Creates Intelligence Unit in New Reorganization Office of Childrens Health Protection Axed  http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm[snip]"[Chairman Stephen] Johnsons own role in childhood health issues was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing experiments. Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study (with the anomalous acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to be paid to spray pesticides in the room primarily occupied by their infant children, he did so in the face of threats by Democratic senators to block his confirmation. Since then, Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a plan to allow children to be used in other chemical dosing experiments."[snip]  Mike  Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  *ALERT UPDATE: EPA PROPOSED RULE ALLOWS CHEMICAL AND PESTICIDE TESTING ON KIDS *Thanks to everyone who responded to the OCA Alert in the last issue of Organic Bytes. So far, the EPA has been deluged with over 20,000 comments from OCA supporters demanding changes in the EPA's controversial proposed rule on human chemical testing, which contains loopholes that would allow the testing of chemicals and pesticides on children. EPA's proposal flies in the face of massive public opposition and directives from Congress and the National Academy of Sciences to stop industry from carrying out unethical studies on children. In the wake of this strong citizen backlash, the EPA is frantically trying to discredit the OCA and other organizations working on this issue (such as the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Center for Health and Environmental Justice, and Public Employees for Environmental
 Responsibility, etc.) by flat out denying that the proposed rule contains exceptions for testing toxics on children. Unfortunately for the EPA PR greenwashing efforts, the actual proposed rule is still posted on the EPA website , where the public can look beyond the agency's rhetoric and read the rule themselves. We invite you to read these sections of the proposed regulations, which allow chemical or pesticide testing on children under the following circumstances:1. Children who "cannot be reasonably consulted," such as those thatare mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on.With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of theindividual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake ofresearch.2. Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on childrenwho have been neglected or abused.3. Chemical
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[Biofuel] Methanol suppliers

2005-12-01 Thread Chris May

Hi everyone, Ive just started attempting to make BD
but after getting some methanol from a local model
airplane shop, he told me that his supplier has told
him he can no longer get him the stuff since
apparently the british government have outlawed
methanol being sold a seperate item so 95% or better
stuff will become impossible to find!

I was just wondering if there is any truth in that and
if any homebrewers local to the east London/Essex area
can let me know any places where I can purchase some
methanol (I am way too novice to start using ethenol
lol)

Cheers for any information!

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Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Luich

Google:

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=0319111DIST_NR=039866

Manufacturer site:
http://www.alcochemical.com/products-markets/combo/water/APPdithio.asp

Aquatreat dnm-9 pdf:
http://www.alcochemical.com/products-markets/PDF/aquatreat_DNM-9.pdf

Storage and handling:
http://www.alcochemical.com/products-markets/combo/water/SHIPdithio.asp

Container Disposal
			
Plastic Containers: Triple rinse
(or equivalent). Then offer for recycling or reconditioning, or
puncture and dispose of in a sanitary landfill, or by incineration: or,
if allowed by state and local authorities, by burning. If burned, stay
out of smoke.



On 12/1/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Call whoever sells it and ask for the MSDS sheet.Purbo J. Wignjosajono wrote: I am asuming that it is not a dangerous substance. I hope my assumption is correct. PJW
 - Original Message - *From:* Purbo J. Wignjosajono mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:01 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing It contained a water treatment called Aquatreat 602 N. When I browsed the internet, it consists NaCL and a polymer but I am not sure what kind of polymer it was.
 PJW - Original Message - *From:* Bruno M. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] HDPE Drums Washing
 Yes Purbo, even on a professional level, but ... if you like specific tricks and tips, you need to tell us what was in it before.
 Washing a soap barrel asks for other means than an oil barrel. grts Bruno M.  At 07:24 01/12/2005, Purbo wrote:
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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

2005-12-01 Thread David Miller

Joe Street wrote:

 Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!


Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, 
K1), not in the stuff that's taxed.  So adding dye would be a way of 
saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.


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[Biofuel] seperating Glycerine

2005-12-01 Thread john owens

Hi,I did couple of tests on glycerin separation with the titration methodon JTF with different results.Test One;250ml byproduct10ml phosphoricshacked vigorouslyThere was separation with 3 layers about 60/30/10 within about 15 minutes.
FFa Glycerin and fluffy white sodium phosphateTest two;250ml byproduct10ml phosphoricshaked vigorouslyI then added 5ml phosphoricshaked vigorouslyI added more phosphoric to see what would happen.
there was separation with In about one minute with two layers about 50/50with creamy brown stuff on the bottom. FFa on topI then added more phosphoric until I got separation of a reddish colour onbottom. this has being sitting for 4 hours or so.
In the jar there is about(40/60 (ffa/glycerin) with a very fine white layer on the bottom. 
 
I made a mistake with the last mail.There is a greater amount of glycerin in test two and less ffaCould any one explain to me what is happening
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Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work





Mike;

Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad taste)
or an urban legend right?
You can't be serious about this.

Joe

Michael Redler wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  Mike,
  
  Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've hadfriends
who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and if
it's really true.
  
  After doing some of my own research I came across somethingat www.commondreams.org. You may
have already seen it.
  
  EPA Creates Intelligence Unit in New
Reorganization 
  Office of Childrens Health Protection Axed
  http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
  
  [snip]
  
  "[Chairman Stephen] Johnsons own role in childhood health
issues was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings
over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing experiments.
Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study (with the anomalous
acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to be paid to spray pesticides
in the room primarily occupied by their infant children, he did so in
the face of threats by Democratic senators to block his confirmation.
Since then, Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a plan
to allow children to be used in other chemical dosing experiments."
  
  [snip]
  
Mike
  
  Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  *ALERT
UPDATE: EPA PROPOSED RULE ALLOWS CHEMICAL AND PESTICIDE TESTING 
ON KIDS *
Thanks to everyone who responded to the OCA Alert in the last issue of 
Organic Bytes. So far, the EPA has been deluged with over 20,000 
comments from OCA supporters demanding changes in the EPA's 
controversial proposed rule on human chemical testing, which contains 
loopholes that would allow the testing of chemicals and pesticides on 
children. EPA's proposal flies in the face of massive public opposition

and directives from Congress and the National Academy of Sciences to 
stop industry from carrying out unethical studies on children. In the 
wake of this strong citizen backlash, the EPA is frantically trying to 
discredit the OCA and other organizations working on this issue (such
as 
the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Center for Health and 
Environmental Justice, and Public Employees for Environmental 
Responsibility, etc.) by flat out denying that the proposed rule 
contains exceptions for testing toxics on children. Unfortunately for 
the EPA PR greenwashing efforts, the actual proposed rule is still 
posted on the EPA website 
, 
where the public can look beyond the agency's rhetoric and read the
rule 
themselves. We invite you to read these sections of the proposed 
regulations, which allow chemical or pesticide testing on children
under 
the following circumstances:

1. Children who "cannot be reasonably consulted," such as those that
are mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on.
With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of the
individual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of
research.
2. Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on children
who have been neglected or abused.
3. Chemical studies on any children outside of the U.S. are acceptable.

If you haven't already done so please learn more and send an instant 
letter to the EPA here (public comment period expires Dec.12) 
http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm


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Re: [Biofuel] hello (VIRUS)

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada

2005-12-01 Thread Stanley baer

I have the old 1.9l turbo out of 94 Jetta.  If I had more time I would 
install a boost gauge and an exhust temperature sensor so that I could 
safely increase the boost and the fuel.  The truck is a complete beater 
(no exhust past the cab, lots of rust, leaks through the windshield 
etc.), I have to decide weather to put the whole setup in a newer Isuzu 
or start over with a Toyota.  The Toyota would be a better long term 
even if it cost me a few thousand more.

stan

Mike Weaver wrote:

Bring it to Mike's GTDI Shop!

My 2002 Golf TDI gets rubber in three gears and I've smoked more than a 
few BMW's with it - running biodiesel.

I have a RocketChip, redialed the boost w/ Vag-Com and installed a KN 
induction system.  Right now my seat of the pants feel is easily 125 
-135 HP and well over 200 lbs of torque.  I have bigger injectors for 
the engine but am worried that it'll put out so much power the clutch 
will slip.  This model has the small clutch, and I'm not ready invest in 
a bigger one.

Which motor do you have?  If it's the non-turbo, you may be able to pick 
up some ponies with a KN setup and bigger injectors.

I have long wanted to do this swap but will probably wind up buying a 
used Cummins P/U.

-Mike

Stanley baer wrote:

  

Mike Weaver wrote:

 



Did you use a kit?  I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit 
but never did it.  Was it hard?

Stanley baer wrote:



   

  

I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop.  It took a 
long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been 
running for three years now.  The main problem is that the engine is not 
powerful enough to tow anything.  I need another 25 hp.

stan

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol

Hi Peter

Hi Keith and All ;

I had a bug infestation eating new leaves on some
trees I was growing.  The only thing I had handy was
some 85% methanol.  I used a hand pump spray bottle
and sprayed it on, and the plants loved it, the bugs
all died and haven't come back yet.

Interesting. With 85% too. Did the methanol kill the bugs? (The other 
possibility is that the newly invigorated trees killed them.)

I sprayed some 10% methanol on some greens but didn't see any 
difference with the ones I didn't spray. But it was autumn already, 
much less light, so I didn't expect much, and I don't know if they're 
C3 or C4 plants. I thought it was a good result that it didn't kill 
them. I'll try again in the summer.

Thanks, all best

Keith


Best Regards,

Peter G.
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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally

'Lo Marilyn, Joe

Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure
who I am quoting.

I think it's mostly Outhouse Express that does it, it defaults to 
saying that the person whose message you're replying to wrote it, 
even if it's a url and a news article someone else wrote. How to make 
a journalist cross. Not just on my account though, it's happened to a 
lot of people and when I've attacked it it's been as a general rule.

Is it OK to just say Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: and
not mention a name when including a response?

Why not just say Hi Whoever? If it's not signed there's a name or 
email address on the original.

I'm glad you liked the post
otherwise.

So did I.

I don't blame Keith for being a little testy.

Nah, I'm not being testy. Let's see, I sent three posts, two smilers 
and a grr. But I definitely meant the grr. About time too.

We all are these days with
what is going on in the world.

It's not that Marilyn. There was a time when I got overwhelmed by all 
the stuff I was staring in the face. It made me angry, I was angry 
for a few years before I learnt how to smile again. While still 
looking the same grim stuff in the face. But that was a long time ago.

Once in Hong Kong I took a ride in a Kowloon taxi with a driver whose 
English was a bit like my Cantonese (terrible!), so we got on like a 
house on fire. He had a good wife and two great children he said, but 
no money: Drive taxi no money.

No money no life, I said (very common Hong Kong saying).

No money to die! he said laughing. No face!. Every day I pay $20 
for lunch, good food, but no face. But I don't mind! Rich men pay 
$1000 for lunch, good face. But they forget to smile!

So - don't die! And don't forget to smile!

I thought that was great - the guy knew everything about life! We 
smiled the rest of the way. When I got out he said: Don't forget - 
don't die!

I'll try, I said. Don't forget to smile!

We went our different ways, both laughing like hell.

Regards

Keith


Marilyn


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:

Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.
You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I
have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith
hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful
Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives
BTW great post otherwise :-)

 I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
 countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
 what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
 utilities..
 
 I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
 

Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.
The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I
don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything
about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone
getting thier lips dirty!

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Joe Street wrote:
 
 
 I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
 countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
 what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
 utilities..
 
 I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
 
 
 
 
 Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage
 preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in
 government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article 
below by an
 American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and
 international law being ignored:
 
 Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create
 Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses
 
 JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of
Law
 says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties
and
 standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the
 Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners...
 

snip

 


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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?





Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed.
So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using
taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could
be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?

Joe

David Miller wrote:

  Joe Street wrote:

  
  
Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!

  
  

Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, 
K1), not in the stuff that's taxed.  So adding dye would be a way of 
saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.


--- David

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Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

Quick question. Can the animals just be earthworms or are rumanants required?

Tom Irwin

Hello Tom

I spent 20 years trying to get earthworms to stand in for a cow, and 
failed. And I really hated the milk! Sorry, just kidding... (But I've 
eaten wormburger, very good!)

Well, okay, it would probably take a lot longer than that to prove 
it, but by that time there wasn't much hope that it could work and a 
lot of indication that it wouldn't. Scant hope in the first place. 
I'm afraid earthworms are to be counted on the receiving side, along 
with all the soil micro-organisms, not among the ruminants, they do a 
different job. Or a different part of the same job.

I don't think it's confined to ruminants though, I reckon grazing 
should be biodiverse, like the grasses are and the soil bugs. Maybe 
the more biodiverse it is the fewer ruminants you need in the mix. 
Also it involves composting as well, and if you're an artful 
composter it doesn't much matter what kind of manure you use. Lots of 
variables to juggle with. If you add earthworms at the composting 
stage, or rather manure worms, you can get a lot more options, but I 
think that's about as far back in the process as earthworms go.

I wish I could find the reference, I've got it somewhere (on paper!), 
but it seems Europe's main grazing animal is the vole. Voles eat more 
grass than anything else does. They have to be playing an important 
overall role but they sure aren't ruminants. I never managed to get 
hold of any vole dung to experiment with and there's not a lot of 
literature on the role of the vole and how long the pasture will last 
yer.

Best

Keith



From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:39:00 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

Greetings Ken

That was a real pleasure to read, thankyou.

Your food shed, that's great! Footprints and food sheds.

 On 11/28/05, Keith Addison 
javascript:ki8a0(new,[EMAIL PROTECTED])[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
forever.org wrote:
 
   Not all vegetarians avoid meat because of animal rights issues.
  
   Why do they avoid it then?
  
   Best
  
   Keith
 
 Are you itchin' for a fight? ;^)

:-) What's that mean-lookin' smiley mean? Are you bigger than me?

Nope, I never itch for a fight, but I try to be a friend of clarity.

 Well, I trust that based on our long
 discussion a few months ago,

But have you any idea how many new members have joined the list since
a few months ago? Nor was that the first time we've been through all
that here.

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enough protection?

Better to be over-cautious than under-cautious.

I know what you're saying Mike, but I don't agree. Maybe you wouldn't 
either if you saw all the emails I've had from people shying away 
from brewing biodiesel because of all those dreadful chemicals. Maybe 
if the playing field was level, without the constant attempts to stir 
it up by various parties mainly in the SVO-PPO) camp, but I think 
even then I'd stick to due caution, neither under nor over.

I wish we could set up a training series and teach interested parties
how to brew safely.  I dread the thought than someone will
make an avoidable error and taint the home-brewing scenario.

We've all had that fear for years, and biofuels doesn't have any 
shortage of enemies who'd make the most of it. Yet in all that time 
nobody's been hurt that we know of, and I think we'd have known. Tom 
Leue famously burnt his shed down, for entirely avoidable reasons, 
and was slightly injured, and that's it. Extraordinary. Which doesn't 
mean it won't happen tomorrow.

If I wrote a quick safety punchlist would the greybeards on the list
look it over - if approved maybe Keith would post it on the website?

Sure, but have a look at these first:

Safety
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#safe

Hazards
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#haz

Best

Keith


I
have some informal points in my biodiesel notebook that could probably
be expanded.

-Mike

Keith Addison wrote:

 We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've been some
 other messages pooh-poohing safety in general. I'd agree too much
 safety is dangerous, but so is too little. What's required is *due*
 caution, which needs good information. Here it is:
 
 http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moremeth
 
 More about methanol
 
 Question: Just how dangerous is methanol?
 
 Fact: Methanol is a poisonous chemical that can blind you or kill
 you, and as well as drinking it you can absorb it through the skin
 and breathe in the fumes.
 
 Question: How much does it take to kill you?
 
 Short answer: Anything from five teaspoons to more than half a pint,
 but nobody really knows.
 
 Fact: Human susceptibility to the acute effects of methanol
 intoxication is extremely variable. The minimum dose of methanol
 causing permanent visual defects is unknown. The lethal dose of
 methanol for humans is not known for certain. The minimum lethal dose
 of methanol in the absence of medical treatment is put at between 0.3
 and 1 g/kg.
 
 That means it's thought to take at least 20 grams of methanol to kill
 an average-sized person, or 25 ml, five teaspoonsful. Or it might
 need more than three times as much, 66 grams, 17 teaspoonsful, or
 maybe more, and even then it'll only kill you if you can't reach a
 doctor within a day or two, and maybe it still won't kill you.
 
 But it definitely can kill you. If you drink five teaspoonsful of
 pure methanol you'll need medical treatment even if it doesn't kill
 you. Yet people have survived doses of 10 times as much -- a quarter
 of a litre, half a pint -- without any permanent harm. But others
 haven't survived much lower doses. Getting rapid medical attention is
 crucial, though the poisoning effects can be slow to develop.
 
 Authorities advise that swallowing up to 1.3 grams or 1.7 ml of
 methanol or inhaling methanol vapour concentrations below 200 ppm
 should be harmless for most people. No severe effects have been
 reported in humans of methanol vapour exposures well above 200 ppm.
 
 Out of 1,601 methanol poisonings reported in the US in 1987 the death
 rate was 0.375%, or 1 in 267 cases. It might have been only 1 in more
 than a thousand cases because most cases weren't reported. Most cases
 were caused by drinking badly made moonshine, which is a worldwide
 problem.
 
 Fiction: Methanol is ... a very active chemical against which the
 human body has no means of defence. It is absorbed easily through the
 skin and there is no means of elimination from the body, so levels of
 methanol dissolved in the blood accumulate.
 
 That's from a British website trying to sell Straight Vegetable Oil
 (SVO) solvent additives by frightening people with the alleged perils
 of biodiesel. See The SVO vs biodiesel argument
 
 Fact: 30 litres of fruit juice will probably contain up to 20 grams
 of methanol, near the official minimum lethal dose. Methanol is in
 the food we eat, in fresh fruit and vegetables, beer and wine, diet
 drinks, artificial sweeteners.
 
 Not only that, methanol occurs naturally in humans. It's a natural
 component of blood, urine, saliva and the air you breathe out. It's
 there anyway even if you've never been exposed to chemical methanol
 or its fumes.
 
 Methanol is eliminated from the body as a normal matter of course via
 the urine and exhaled air and by metabolism. Getting rid of it takes
 from a few hours for low doses to a day or two for higher doses. Some
 proportion of a dose of methanol just goes straight through,

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol industry popping -was: California Ethanol Alcohol Transportation Fuels

2005-12-01 Thread MH

 After some digging in the Biofuel archives - 

 [Biofuel] US California Ethanol
 29 Sep 2004

 ETHANOL As a Transportation Fuel In California 
 http://www.energy.ca.gov/ethanol/index.html 

 As of January 1, 2004, California completed a transition from
 methyl tertiary butyl-ether (MTBE) to ethanol as a gasoline
 oxygenate additive. With most gasoline sold in the state
 presently containing 5.7 percent ethanol, California is
 now the largest ethanol fuel market in the United States.
 About one billion gallons of ethanol are expected to be
 used in the state's gasoline supply in 2004. 

 The Energy Commission continues to study the potential for
 ethanol fuel production and use as part of California's
 overall strategy to assure adequate transportation energy
 supplies and reduce dependence on petroleum. In addition to
 its use as a gasoline blending component, ethanol can also
 be used as E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline) in flexible fuel
 vehicles being produced by automakers. 

 Most of California's current ethanol supply comes from the
 Midwest U.S. corn-based industry, with a small supply
 contribution from foreign imports. There are only two
 small producers of ethanol in California today; however,
 a number of projects for expanded in state ethanol
 production are under consideration.   [more]
 --- 

 Properties of Alcohol Transportation Fuels - was: [biofuel] Emissions of Neat 
Ethanol
 02 Nov 2003 

 Training On Fuel Ethanol
 http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/ert/archive/wksp-ethtech.html

 PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL TRANSPORTATION FUELS 
 Alcohol Fuels Reference Work
  http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw.html  
   For additional references http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw 
 Prepared for:
   Biofuels Systems Division
   Office of Alternative Fuels
   U.S. Department of Energy
 Prepared by:
   Fuels and Transportation Division 
 July 1991 

 PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL
 TRANSPORTATION FUELS
 Alcohol Fuels Reference Work #1

 1-1  SECTION 1. Introduction
  1,900Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-01.pdf 

 2-1  SECTION 2. Basic Chemistry of Alcohol Fuels
  4,184Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-02.pdf 
 2-1Chemical Structure
 2-3Physical Properties of Alcohols

 3-1  SECTION 3. The Internal Combustion Engine
  4,668Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-03.pdf 
 3-2Engine Design
 3-8Operating Parameters
 3-17   Key Design Parameters for Alcohol Combustion

 4-1  SECTION 4. Volatility of Transportation Fuels
  3,469Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-04.pdf 
 4-2Reid Vapor Pressure
 4-6Distillation Curves
 4-11   Vapor/Liquid Ratio

 5-1  SECTION 5. Compatibility of Alcohols with Other Fuels in Blends
  3,050Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-05.pdf 
 5-2Solubility in Gasoline
 5-4Creation of Mixtures Having Different Properties than Constituent Fuels
 5-7Bonding with Water and Its Implications
 5-7Alcohol/Gasoline Separation
 5-10   Methods to Overcome Phase Separation

 6-1  SECTION 6. Engine and Vehicle Operation Issues
  3,292Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-06.pdf 
 6-2Low Ambient Temperature Starting
 6-6High Temperature Performance
 6-10   Vehicle Range

 7-1  SECTION 7. Cleaning and Corrosion Characteristics of Alcohol
  2,976Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-07.pdf 
 7-2Solvent Characteristics of Alcohols and Alcohol Blends
 7-2Influence on the Combustion Chamber
 7-2Influence of Alcohols on Various Materials
 7-4Effects of Alcohols on Various Materials
 7-5Influence on Fuel Distribution System
 7-6Vehicle Failures
 7-9Additives Required to Prevent Corrosion

 8-1  SECTION 8. New Directions for Reformulating Alcohols Fuels
  to Overcome Operational Problems
  2,450Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-08.pdf 
 8-2Cetane Number
 8-5Miscibility with Water and Hydrocarbon Fuels
 8-5Electric Conductivity and Oxygen Content
 8-6Viscosity
 8-6Cold Weather Startability
 8-7Conclusion

 9-1  SECTION 9. Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (ETBE)
  3,109Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-09.pdf 
 9-1Gasoline-related Properties
 9-4Performance
 9-7Production Process Technology
 9-12   Supplies and Commercialization
 9-13   Conclusions

 10-1 SECTION 10. Health and Safety Issues
  2,201Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-10.pdf 
 10-1   Toxicity
 10-4   Leaks and Spills in Water
 10-5   Leaks and Spills on Land
 10-6   Safety

 A-1  GLOSSARY 
  889Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-glo.pdf 
 B-1  BIBLIOGRAPHY 
  2,605Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-bib.pdf 

 Section 1
 INTRODUCTION
 During the mid and late i980s, research on alcohol fuels
 undertaken in the United States, Japan, and Europe expanded
 greatly.  This research has covered the entire alcohol production,
 distribution and utilization

Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

2005-12-01 Thread Michael Redler

...but wait, there's more!The list of people in the administration who are threatening the health and welfare ofpeoplein and out of the country is proving to be disturbing.Stephen Johnsonhttp://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htmJohnNegroponte  http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-negroponte4,0,2380703.storyMichael Brown  http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/03/brown.fema.emails/Karl, Dick and "Scooter"  http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/leak.probe/  "Rummy" (small sample)  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2973564.stm"Dubya" (small sample)  http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/06/MNGS82R8101.DTLMichael Chertoff (suspicious)  http://www.isreview.org/issues/43/minutemen.shtmlThe good news is that (IMO) the internet allows us to be much more aware and educated, making the job of the spin doctors significantly more difficult.I'm keeping the faith. 
   MikeJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Mike;Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad taste) or an urban legend right?You can't be serious about this.JoeMichael Redler wrote:Mike,Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've hadfriends who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and if it's really true.After doing some of my own research I came across somethingat www.commondreams.org. You may have
 already seen it.EPA Creates Intelligence Unit in New Reorganization Office of Childrens Health Protection Axed  http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm[snip]"[Chairman Stephen] Johnsons own role in childhood health issues was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing experiments. Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study (with the anomalous acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to be paid to spray pesticides in the room primarily occupied by their infant children, he did so in the face of threats by Democratic senators to block his
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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

2005-12-01 Thread Thomas Kelly





Am I wrong?
 There is currently no 
federal tax on biodiesel made for personal use in the US.
 Biodiesel sold at the 400 
or so retail outlets in the US is taxed, but not dyed.
 There is currently no way 
to tell if the biodiesel in a car is homebrewed or was purchased from a retail 
outlet.
 
Tom

  
  [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate 
  fuel vehicles?
  Alan PetrilloSat, 26 Nov 
  2005 17:29:35 -0800
  I caught a piece of something on the news about the US Guvmint wanting 
to tax alternate fuel vehicles so they can "pay their fair share of 
highway maintenance costs."

Anyone know anything about this?


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[Biofuel] Equipment questions

Looks like my immersion heater went south last night so I need to 
replace it.  It was the stock 110 v 1500 watt unit that came with my 8 
gallon hot water tank.  I understand that some folks are using stainless 
steel units.  Also I understand that if I install a 220 v unit and run 
it on 110v I can get rid of the ginormous variac I am currently using to 
throttle back the power.  I like that idea, so where do I get a 
stainless one??
Also here is an anecdote which may be of interest to the group.  I was 
busy for a few days so I left the latest batch of oil sitting in the 
reactor vessel after vacuum drying it a few days ago with the heater on 
low (abt 30 VAC this is just enough to keep it at 50 deg)  When I went 
to add methoxide I noticed a little condensate had collected in the 
recirc line which is cooler ( room temp uninsulated).  It was only about 
1 ml of water I estimate.  I had already begun mixing the methoxide so I 
crossed my fingers and left the water in.  I didn't notice anything 
strange and got a good split.  Everything looks normal this morning.  I 
have yet to wash though..but no sign of soaps, emulsions or any 
third layer at this point.  I wonder just how much water one can get 
away with?  Does anyone have an idea?

Joe


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Re: [Biofuel] exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally





Well I'm using Mozzilla not outlook and there are settings for those
parameters as well as html etc. Too bad you can't configure it to be
sensitive to the mail folder otherwise your only option is to keep
changing preferences all the time. 

Anyways I hope the 'other superpower" will eventually result in some
real action being taken on the bullies and warlords one day soon. Then
the next challenge will be to stop the next in line from taking the
reins and doing it all again.



Joe
trying to smile and not to die.





Keith Addison wrote:

  'Lo Marilyn, Joe

  
  
Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure
who I am quoting.

  
  
I think it's mostly Outhouse Express that does it, it defaults to 
saying that the person whose message you're replying to wrote it, 
even if it's a url and a news article someone else wrote. How to make 
a journalist cross. Not just on my account though, it's happened to a 
lot of people and when I've attacked it it's been as a general rule.

  
  
Is it OK to just say "Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:" and
not mention a name when including a response?

  
  
Why not just say Hi Whoever? If it's not signed there's a name or 
email address on the original.

  
  
I'm glad you liked the post
otherwise.

  
  
So did I.

  
  
I don't blame Keith for being a little testy.

  
  
Nah, I'm not being testy. Let's see, I sent three posts, two smilers 
and a grr. But I definitely meant the grr. About time too.

  
  
We all are these days with
what is going on in the world.

  
  
It's not that Marilyn. There was a time when I got overwhelmed by all 
the stuff I was staring in the face. It made me angry, I was angry 
for a few years before I learnt how to smile again. While still 
looking the same grim stuff in the face. But that was a long time ago.

Once in Hong Kong I took a ride in a Kowloon taxi with a driver whose 
English was a bit like my Cantonese (terrible!), so we got on like a 
house on fire. He had a good wife and two great children he said, but 
no money: "Drive taxi no money."

"No money no life," I said (very common Hong Kong saying).

"No money to die!" he said laughing. "No face!. Every day I pay $20 
for lunch, good food, but no face. But I don't mind! Rich men pay 
$1000 for lunch, good face. But they forget to smile!

"So - don't die! And don't forget to smile!"

I thought that was great - the guy knew everything about life! We 
smiled the rest of the way. When I got out he said: "Don't forget - 
don't die!"

"I'll try," I said. "Don't forget to smile!"

We went our different ways, both laughing like hell.

Regards

Keith


  
  
Marilyn


Note: Forwarded Email Message Below:

Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn.  I did respond to that post though.
You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I
have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me.  Keith
hates it when people do that.  I've done it too by accident. Be careful
Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives
BTW great post otherwise :-)



  I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

  

Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General
Hospital?  That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention.
The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes.  I
don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything
about this.  There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone
getting thier lips dirty!

Joe

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Joe Street wrote:


  
  
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with
countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows
what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure,
utilities..

I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in.



  
  
Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage
preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in
government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article 
  

below by an


  American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements  and
international law being ignored:

Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create
Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses

JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of
  

Law


  says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties
  

and


  standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the
Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi

Re: [Biofuel] Equipment questions

2005-12-01 Thread ROY Washbish

Joe These people claim S/S elements http://www.htproducts.com/literature/lp-13.pdfLook here also. They say "Lower stainless steel heating element" http://www.myrec.coop/productsandservices/waterheaterreplacement.cfmI found none over the counter so you may do best by going to a manufacturer. Roy WashbishJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like my immersion heater went south last night so I need to replace it. It was the stock 110 v 1500 watt unit that came with my 8 gallon hot water tank. I understand that some folks are using stainless steel units. Also I
understand that if I install a 220 v unit and run it on 110v I can get rid of the ginormous variac I am currently using to throttle back the power. I like that idea, so where do I get a stainless one??Also here is an anecdote which may be of interest to the group. I was busy for a few days so I left the latest batch of oil sitting in the reactor vessel after vacuum drying it a few days ago with the heater on low (abt 30 VAC this is just enough to keep it at 50 deg) When I went to add methoxide I noticed a little condensate had collected in the recirc line which is cooler ( room temp uninsulated). It was only about 1 ml of water I estimate. I had already begun mixing the methoxide so I crossed my fingers and left the water in. I didn't notice anything strange and got a good split. Everything looks normal this morning. I have yet to wash though..but no sign of soaps, emulsions or any third layer at this point. I wonder just
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Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

No. It's true, sad to say. Look it up. The spirit of the Tuskegee 
experiments lives on today.

If you haven't already done so please learn more and send an instant 
letter to the EPA here (public comment period expires Dec.12) 
http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm

Joe Street wrote:

 Mike;

 Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad taste) 
 or an urban legend right?
 You can't be serious about this.

 Joe

 Michael Redler wrote:

 Mike,
 Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've had friends who 
 are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and if it's 
 really true.
 After doing some of my own research I came across something at 
 www.commondreams.org http://www.commondreams.org/. You may have 
 already seen it.
 *EPA Creates “Intelligence” Unit in New Reorganization
 Office of Children’s Health Protection Axed*
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 [snip]
 [Chairman Stephen] Johnson’s own role in childhood health issues was 
 brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings over his 
 advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing experiments. Although 
 Johnson cancelled one controversial study (with the anomalous acronym 
 of CHEERS) in which parents were to be paid to spray pesticides in 
 the room primarily occupied by their infant children, he did so in 
 the face of threats by Democratic senators to block his confirmation. 
 Since then, Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a 
 plan to allow children to be used in other chemical dosing experiments.
 [snip]

 Mike

 */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 *ALERT UPDATE: EPA PROPOSED RULE ALLOWS CHEMICAL AND PESTICIDE
 TESTING
 ON KIDS *
 Thanks to everyone who responded to the OCA Alert in the last
 issue of
 Organic Bytes. So far, the EPA has been deluged with over 20,000
 comments from OCA supporters demanding changes in the EPA's
 controversial proposed rule on human chemical testing, which
 contains
 loopholes that would allow the testing of chemicals and
 pesticides on
 children. EPA's proposal flies in the face of massive public
 opposition
 and directives from Congress and the National Academy of Sciences to
 stop industry from carrying out unethical studies on children. In
 the
 wake of this strong citizen backlash, the EPA is frantically
 trying to
 discredit the OCA and other organizations working on this issue
 (such as
 the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Center for Health and
 Environmental Justice, and Public Employees for Environmental
 Responsibility, etc.) by flat out denying that the proposed rule
 contains exceptions for testing toxics on children. Unfortunately
 for
 the EPA PR greenwashing efforts, the actual proposed rule is still
 posted on the EPA website
 ,
 where the public can look beyond the agency's rhetoric and read
 the rule
 themselves. We invite you to read these sections of the proposed
 regulations, which allow chemical or pesticide testing on
 children under
 the following circumstances:

 1. Children who cannot be reasonably consulted, such as those that
 are mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on.
 With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of the
 individual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of
 research.
 2. Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on children
 who have been neglected or abused.
 3. Chemical studies on any children outside of the U.S. are
 acceptable.

 If you haven't already done so please learn more and send an instant
 letter to the EPA here (public comment period expires Dec.12)
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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

There's off-road and on-road diesel here in the US

Joe Street wrote:

 Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. 
 So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using 
 taxed fuel or home brew anyways?  (assuming it is not B100 which could 
 be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?

 Joe

 David Miller wrote:

Joe Street wrote:

  

Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!




Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, 
K1), not in the stuff that's taxed.  So adding dye would be a way of 
saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.


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Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

Freedom hater.
You're just helping the terrorist.
Besides, all this doesn't really matter, what matters is GAY MARRIAGE! 
No, wait. I meant what really matters is, uh, the Liberals want to ban 
prayer in schools!
So if you don't vote for the Republican party, you're voting God out of 
your children's lives.

-The Republicans


Michael Redler wrote:

 ...but wait, there's more!
 The list of people in the administration who are threatening the 
 health and welfare of people in and out of the country is proving to 
 be disturbing.
 Stephen Johnson
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 John Negroponte
 http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-negroponte4,0,2380703.story
 Michael Brown
 http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/03/brown.fema.emails/
 Karl, Dick and Scooter
 http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/leak.probe/
 Rummy (small sample)
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2973564.stm
 Dubya (small sample)
 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/06/MNGS82R8101.DTL
 Michael Chertoff (suspicious)
 http://www.isreview.org/issues/43/minutemen.shtml
 The good news is that (IMO) the internet allows us to be much more 
 aware and educated, making the job of the spin doctors significantly 
 more difficult.
 I'm keeping the faith.
 Mike

 */Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Mike;

 Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad
 taste) or an urban legend right?
 You can't be serious about this.

 Joe

 Michael Redler wrote:

 Mike,
 Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've had friends
 who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and
 if it's really true.
 After doing some of my own research I came across something at
 www.commondreams.org http://www.commondreams.org/. You may have
 already seen it.
 *EPA Creates “Intelligence” Unit in New Reorganization
 Office of Children’s Health Protection Axed*
 
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 [snip]
 [Chairman Stephen] Johnson’s own role in childhood health issues
 was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings
 over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing
 experiments. Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study
 (with the anomalous acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to
 be paid to spray pesticides in the room primarily occupied by
 their infant children, he did so in the face of threats by
 Democratic senators to block his confirmation. Since then,
 Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a plan to
 allow children to be used in other chemical dosing experiments.
 [snip]

 Mike



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Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

2005-12-01 Thread Fred Finch

Actually we want to ban Christmas!!

No more use of the words Merry Christmas!

And sex!! Lots of sex!! And everywhere...

Whoops, there is that little disorderly personality problem creeping up again!!

Sorry about that, 

fred



On 12/1/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Freedom hater.You're just helping the terrorist.Besides, all this doesn't really matter, what matters is GAY MARRIAGE!No, wait. I meant what really matters is, uh, the Liberals want to banprayer in schools!
So if you don't vote for the Republican party, you're voting God out ofyour children's lives.-The RepublicansMichael Redler wrote: ...but wait, there's more! The list of people in the administration who are threatening the
 health and welfare of people in and out of the country is proving to be disturbing. Stephen Johnson http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 John Negroponte http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-negroponte4,0,2380703.story Michael Brown 
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/03/brown.fema.emails/ Karl, Dick and Scooter http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/leak.probe/
 Rummy (small sample) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2973564.stm Dubya (small sample) 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/06/MNGS82R8101.DTL Michael Chertoff (suspicious) http://www.isreview.org/issues/43/minutemen.shtml
 The good news is that (IMO) the internet allows us to be much more aware and educated, making the job of the spin doctors significantly more difficult. I'm keeping the faith. Mike
 */Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Mike; Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad
 taste) or an urban legend right? You can't be serious about this. Joe Michael Redler wrote: Mike, Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've had friends
 who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about it and if it's really true. After doing some of my own research I came across something at 
www.commondreams.org http://www.commondreams.org/. You may have already seen it. *EPA Creates "Intelligence" Unit in New Reorganization
 Office of Children's Health Protection Axed* http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 [snip] [Chairman Stephen] Johnson's own role in childhood health issues was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing
 experiments. Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study (with the anomalous acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to be paid to spray pesticides in the room primarily occupied by
 their infant children, he did so in the face of threats by Democratic senators to block his confirmation. Since then, Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a plan to
 allow children to be used in other chemical dosing experiments. [snip] Mike
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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enough protection?

Hi Keith,

You're probably right.  I just have the fear that someone will 
kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
be seized on by the forces of darkness.  If training were available, or 
we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel 
Board) and
do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a 
real service.  I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and 
supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on 
legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other 
Goverments, and to lobby to counter
the anit-BD and biofuels people.  This group could also provide training 
courses and certify trainers.  Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet 
drivers.  I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend.

In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have 
far more experience and standing than I do.  I guess I'm a Nervous 
Nellie sometimes.
I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and 
why.  Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from 
there. 

As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with.  I spent 
years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when.  
That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves?  Yup.  I 
don't brew inside anymore, though.  I finally built a shed for that, 
with good ventilation.

Your JTF pages are good.  I wouldn't add much.  I have a punch list I 
give to people but you pretty much cover everything.

Thanks,

Mike

Keith Addison wrote:

Better to be over-cautious than under-cautious.



I know what you're saying Mike, but I don't agree. Maybe you wouldn't 
either if you saw all the emails I've had from people shying away 
from brewing biodiesel because of all those dreadful chemicals. Maybe 
if the playing field was level, without the constant attempts to stir 
it up by various parties mainly in the SVO-PPO) camp, but I think 
even then I'd stick to due caution, neither under nor over.

  

I wish we could set up a training series and teach interested parties
how to brew safely.  I dread the thought than someone will
make an avoidable error and taint the home-brewing scenario.



We've all had that fear for years, and biofuels doesn't have any 
shortage of enemies who'd make the most of it. Yet in all that time 
nobody's been hurt that we know of, and I think we'd have known. Tom 
Leue famously burnt his shed down, for entirely avoidable reasons, 
and was slightly injured, and that's it. Extraordinary. Which doesn't 
mean it won't happen tomorrow.

  

If I wrote a quick safety punchlist would the greybeards on the list
look it over - if approved maybe Keith would post it on the website?



Sure, but have a look at these first:

Safety
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#safe

Hazards
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html#haz

Best

Keith


  

I
have some informal points in my biodiesel notebook that could probably
be expanded.

-Mike

Keith Addison wrote:



We're veering between incaution and overcaution. There've been some
other messages pooh-poohing safety in general. I'd agree too much
safety is dangerous, but so is too little. What's required is *due*
caution, which needs good information. Here it is:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moremeth

More about methanol

Question: Just how dangerous is methanol?

Fact: Methanol is a poisonous chemical that can blind you or kill
you, and as well as drinking it you can absorb it through the skin
and breathe in the fumes.

Question: How much does it take to kill you?

Short answer: Anything from five teaspoons to more than half a pint,
but nobody really knows.

Fact: Human susceptibility to the acute effects of methanol
intoxication is extremely variable. The minimum dose of methanol
causing permanent visual defects is unknown. The lethal dose of
methanol for humans is not known for certain. The minimum lethal dose
of methanol in the absence of medical treatment is put at between 0.3
and 1 g/kg.

That means it's thought to take at least 20 grams of methanol to kill
an average-sized person, or 25 ml, five teaspoonsful. Or it might
need more than three times as much, 66 grams, 17 teaspoonsful, or
maybe more, and even then it'll only kill you if you can't reach a
doctor within a day or two, and maybe it still won't kill you.

But it definitely can kill you. If you drink five teaspoonsful of
pure methanol you'll need medical treatment even if it doesn't kill
you. Yet people have survived doses of 10 times as much -- a quarter
of a litre, half a pint -- without any permanent harm. But others
haven't survived much lower doses. Getting rapid medical attention is
crucial, though the poisoning effects can be slow to develop.

Authorities advise that swallowing up to 1.3 grams or 1.7 ml of
methanol or inhaling methanol vapour concentrations below 200 ppm
should be harmless for most

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada

Jack up the motor and drive a new truck under it!

I found a bunch of parts for TDI/Toyota swap once on the web

Stanley baer wrote:

I have the old 1.9l turbo out of 94 Jetta.  If I had more time I would 
install a boost gauge and an exhust temperature sensor so that I could 
safely increase the boost and the fuel.  The truck is a complete beater 
(no exhust past the cab, lots of rust, leaks through the windshield 
etc.), I have to decide weather to put the whole setup in a newer Isuzu 
or start over with a Toyota.  The Toyota would be a better long term 
even if it cost me a few thousand more.

stan

Mike Weaver wrote:

  

Bring it to Mike's GTDI Shop!

My 2002 Golf TDI gets rubber in three gears and I've smoked more than a 
few BMW's with it - running biodiesel.

I have a RocketChip, redialed the boost w/ Vag-Com and installed a KN 
induction system.  Right now my seat of the pants feel is easily 125 
-135 HP and well over 200 lbs of torque.  I have bigger injectors for 
the engine but am worried that it'll put out so much power the clutch 
will slip.  This model has the small clutch, and I'm not ready invest in 
a bigger one.

Which motor do you have?  If it's the non-turbo, you may be able to pick 
up some ponies with a KN setup and bigger injectors.

I have long wanted to do this swap but will probably wind up buying a 
used Cummins P/U.

-Mike

Stanley baer wrote:

 



Mike Weaver wrote:



   

  

Did you use a kit?  I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit 
but never did it.  Was it hard?

Stanley baer wrote:



  

 



I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop.  It took a 
long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been 
running for three years now.  The main problem is that the engine is not 
powerful enough to tow anything.  I need another 25 hp.

stan

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada





Mike are you listed on www.stealthtdi.com ??

Joe



Mike Weaver wrote:

  Jack up the motor and drive a new truck under it!

I found a bunch of parts for TDI/Toyota swap once on the web

Stanley baer wrote:

  
  
I have the old 1.9l turbo out of 94 Jetta.  If I had more time I would 
install a boost gauge and an exhust temperature sensor so that I could 
safely increase the boost and the fuel.  The truck is a complete beater 
(no exhust past the cab, lots of rust, leaks through the windshield 
etc.), I have to decide weather to put the whole setup in a newer Isuzu 
or start over with a Toyota.  The Toyota would be a better long term 
even if it cost me a few thousand more.

stan

Mike Weaver wrote:

 



  Bring it to "Mike's GTDI Shop"!

My 2002 Golf TDI gets rubber in three gears and I've smoked more than a 
few BMW's with it - running biodiesel.

I have a RocketChip, redialed the boost w/ Vag-Com and installed a KN 
induction system.  Right now my seat of the pants feel is easily 125 
-135 HP and well over 200 lbs of torque.  I have bigger injectors for 
the engine but am worried that it'll put out so much power the clutch 
will slip.  This model has the small clutch, and I'm not ready invest in 
a bigger one.

Which motor do you have?  If it's the non-turbo, you may be able to pick 
up some ponies with a KN setup and bigger injectors.

I have long wanted to do this swap but will probably wind up buying a 
used Cummins P/U.

-Mike

Stanley baer wrote:



   

  
  
Mike Weaver wrote:



  

 



  Did you use a kit?  I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit 
but never did it.  Was it hard?

Stanley baer wrote:



 



   

  

I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop.  It took a 
long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been 
running for three years now.  The main problem is that the engine is not 
powerful enough to tow anything.  I need another 25 hp.

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Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-01 Thread dermot

Hi Marilyn,

The book you mention, The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Thomkins and
Christopher Bird, was a bestseller over 20 years ago. It made all sorts
of outlandish claims which were based on the scientific work of a
Dr. Cleve Backster. It turns out that Backster was not in fact a
scientist but a polygraph technician. Is that ironic or what?

Unfortunately the scientific evidence didn't stand up to scrutiny as
nobody else was able to replicate the results.

Quite a few books were published debunking the original book but they
were not bestsellers.The truth is pretty boring I'm afraid. Just google
The Secret Life of Plants and debunk and you'll see what I mean.

Regards
Dermot


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Hi Andres,

You raised an interesting point below (on 3rd Oct, sorry for late 
reply)about my assertion that there is currently no reliable 
evidence to suggest that plants feel pain.
snip
I say wait a while, we'll find they do. Science advances slowly, 
with many stumbles along the road, and many dead ends as well. 
(Andres)
snip

I'm not saying the following is true, but someone told me about a 
book on the subject of plant pain called The Secret Life of 
Plants This book and other articles on plants tell of experiments 
that attached to laboratory plants a technology of the type used in 
lie detectors that is extremely sensitive to the tiniest movement. 
When a person burned the plant or harmed it in other ways it 
recoiled strongly. Later when that person would enter the room the 
plants would react the same way, but not to other people. Also, they 
attached these devices to people's plants in their homes and the 
people wrote down their feelings all day and noted the time. At the 
end of each day they compared the recorded feelings with the plant 
reactions recorded on the technology. They were amazed to see that 
plant movement aligned with certain emotions, even when the people 
were on a long trip.

Google brings up over 87,000 sites on this topic if you want to hear 
from someone who knows something about this. I only know what I was 
told by a friend.

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Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-01 Thread dermot

Hi Keith,

I'd like to address some of the points you raised in your reply to me on 
Oct 2nd.

Before we start it may be useful to stress the views we probably have in 
common and hopefully that the rest of the list have in common as well.

1. Modern intensive farming is unsustainable and is unnecessarily cruel 
to a wide variety of animals.

2. To combat this cruelty we should boycott the produce of intensively 
farmed animals thereby forcing farmers to adopt more sustainable and 
cruelty free methods of farming.

3. We should eat only free range meat or dairy produce.

If this could be achieved I believe 90% of the suffering that is 
inflicted on animals would be eradicated.



There are a number of points which I disagree with you on, the chief 
among them being that animal inputs are necessary for sustainable 
agriculture.

I know you don't accept that there is such a thing as sustainable 
farming without animals but the Vegan Organic Trust in Britain is an 
organisation that is dedicated to the promotion of stockfree, organic, 
sustainable farming.
They are not some crackpot type of organisation that have vague 
aspirations about veganism. Their certification process for declaring 
farms to be truly organic, stockfree and sustainable is carried out by 
the SOIL ASSOCIATION'S certifying body. As you are no doubt aware the 
SOIL ASSOCIATION has an international reputation second to none and I 
have faith in their integrity.

There is no way of proving that an agricultural system is sustainable. 
Sustainable means, by definition, that it can go on forever and it is 
obviously impossible to test that. All we can say is that one system is 
more likely to be sustainable than another one. So I don't agree with 
your claim to have proved that animal farming systems are sustainable. 
On the other hand, it is possible to prove that a given agricultural 
system is unsustainable, if you can show that it uses up one or more of 
the earth's resources faster than they are being replaced. So your claim 
to have proved that stockless farming is unsustainable could in 
principle be true, but I trust an organisation such as the SOIL 
ASSOCIATION when they say it can be sustainable.

It is true that mixed farming was the dominant form of agriculture for 
centuries, if not millennia, but this does not in itself prove that it 
is sustainable. A number of agricultural practices, such as ploughing, 
were carried on for a very long time but have now been shown to be 
unsustainable. It is also possible that a given system could be 
sustainable at a certain human population size and unsustainable at a 
greater population.


In our last exchange you recommended Sally Fallon's site. 
www.westonaprice.org

I visited this site as you recommended and was immediately drawn to the 
Myths and Truths About Vegetarianism section.
My reaction on reading this was that this site had no credibility. 
Here's why.

A Dr Stephen Byrnes starts off the myths by telling us of a story 
where a woman visits her doctor following a miscarriage:


Upon questioning Tanya about her diet, I quickly saw the cause of her 
infections, as well as her miscarriage: she had virtually no fat in her 
diet and was also mostly a vegetarian. Because of the plentiful media 
rhetoric about the supposed dangers of animal product consumption, as 
opposed to the alleged health benefits of the vegetarian lifestyle, 
Tanya had deliberately removed such things as cream, butter, meats and 
fish from her diet. Although she liked liver, she avoided it due to 
worries over toxins.

Tanya and Bill left with a bottle of vitamin A, other supplements and a 
dietary prescription that included plentiful amounts of animal fats and 
meat. Just before leaving my office, Tanya looked at me and said 
ruefully: I just don't know what to believe sometimes. Everywhere I 
look there is all this low-fat, vegetarian stuff recommended. I followed 
it, and look what happened. I assured her that if she and her husband 
changed their diets and allowed sufficient time for her weakened uterus 
to heal, they would be happy parents in due time. In November 2000, Bill 
and Tanya happily gave birth to their first child, a girl.


So we have a scenario where someone takes up a mostly vegetarian diet 
with no knowledge of what constitutes a proper vegetarian diet and 
suffers ill health. She is then prescribed a meat diet and hey presto, 
everything is fine. The clear implication here is that vegetarianism is 
inherently unhealthy but it can be cured by meat eating!
The fact that she wasn't following a proper vegetarian diet is neither 
here nor there. This is very crude propaganda and is shallow in the extreme.

If all the supposed myths presented were true then vegetarians and 
especially vegans would be dropping like flies. Thankfully they are not.
Vegans are one of the most studied group when it comes to nutrition. 
BBC2 television's HORIZON science programme recently had an 
investigation into Omega 3

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada

No, I lurk and have an inactive ID.

Joe Street wrote:

 Mike are you listed on www.stealthtdi.com ??

 Joe



 Mike Weaver wrote:

Jack up the motor and drive a new truck under it!

I found a bunch of parts for TDI/Toyota swap once on the web

Stanley baer wrote:

  

I have the old 1.9l turbo out of 94 Jetta.  If I had more time I would 
install a boost gauge and an exhust temperature sensor so that I could 
safely increase the boost and the fuel.  The truck is a complete beater 
(no exhust past the cab, lots of rust, leaks through the windshield 
etc.), I have to decide weather to put the whole setup in a newer Isuzu 
or start over with a Toyota.  The Toyota would be a better long term 
even if it cost me a few thousand more.

stan

Mike Weaver wrote:

 



Bring it to Mike's GTDI Shop!

My 2002 Golf TDI gets rubber in three gears and I've smoked more than a 
few BMW's with it - running biodiesel.

I have a RocketChip, redialed the boost w/ Vag-Com and installed a KN 
induction system.  Right now my seat of the pants feel is easily 125 
-135 HP and well over 200 lbs of torque.  I have bigger injectors for 
the engine but am worried that it'll put out so much power the clutch 
will slip.  This model has the small clutch, and I'm not ready invest in 
a bigger one.

Which motor do you have?  If it's the non-turbo, you may be able to pick 
up some ponies with a KN setup and bigger injectors.

I have long wanted to do this swap but will probably wind up buying a 
used Cummins P/U.

-Mike

Stanley baer wrote:



   

  

Mike Weaver wrote:



  

 



Did you use a kit?  I looked into an adapter from the Suzuki Samurai kit 
but never did it.  Was it hard?

Stanley baer wrote:



 



   

  

I didn't use a kit I made all the parts in my machine shop.  It took a 
long time and the results were less than perfect, but it has been 
running for three years now.  The main problem is that the engine is not 
powerful enough to tow anything.  I need another 25 hp.

stan

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Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

Darn.  I thought I really had something going with that cute lil 
sweetpea plant.

dermot wrote:

Hi Marilyn,

The book you mention, The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Thomkins and
Christopher Bird, was a bestseller over 20 years ago. It made all sorts
of outlandish claims which were based on the scientific work of a
Dr. Cleve Backster. It turns out that Backster was not in fact a
scientist but a polygraph technician. Is that ironic or what?

Unfortunately the scientific evidence didn't stand up to scrutiny as
nobody else was able to replicate the results.

Quite a few books were published debunking the original book but they
were not bestsellers.The truth is pretty boring I'm afraid. Just google
The Secret Life of Plants and debunk and you'll see what I mean.

Regards
Dermot


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Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
Hi Andres,

You raised an interesting point below (on 3rd Oct, sorry for late 
reply)about my assertion that there is currently no reliable 
evidence to suggest that plants feel pain.
snip
I say wait a while, we'll find they do. Science advances slowly, 
with many stumbles along the road, and many dead ends as well. 
(Andres)
snip

I'm not saying the following is true, but someone told me about a 
book on the subject of plant pain called The Secret Life of 
Plants This book and other articles on plants tell of experiments 
that attached to laboratory plants a technology of the type used in 
lie detectors that is extremely sensitive to the tiniest movement. 
When a person burned the plant or harmed it in other ways it 
recoiled strongly. Later when that person would enter the room the 
plants would react the same way, but not to other people. Also, they 
attached these devices to people's plants in their homes and the 
people wrote down their feelings all day and noted the time. At the 
end of each day they compared the recorded feelings with the plant 
reactions recorded on the technology. They were amazed to see that 
plant movement aligned with certain emotions, even when the people 
were on a long trip.

Google brings up over 87,000 sites on this topic if you want to hear 


from someone who knows something about this. I only know what I was 
  

told by a friend.

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Re: [Biofuel] Your tax dollars at work

See what I mean?

Liberal! Liberal!

The scary thing is that it works, though.  Every time.  Let's see...

LIBERAL PLAN TO REMOVE THE CHRIST FROM CHRISTMAS AND MAKE IT X-MAS.
My fellow American, I have learned today that the Liberals in Congress 
are secretly plotting to take Jesus, the Christ, out of Christmas and 
change the holiday's name to X-mas.  As we all know, X is simply 
shorthand for X-rated, and if these godless secular humanist liberals 
aren't stopped, soon the birthday of Christ will
become a sex-drenched extragaganza.  Your children will subjected to 
topless elves, video sex toys and a parade of naked X-mas characters. 

ONLY YOU CAN STOP THIS ATTACK ON JESUS.  YOU MUST DONATE TO THE KEEP 
THE CHRIST IN CHRISTMAS PAC SO WE CAN SPREAD THE WORD.

EVEN MORE IMPORTANLY, YOU MUST SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICAN IN THE 
UPCOMING PRIMARIES.

God bless,
Karl Rove



Fred Finch wrote:

 Actually we want to ban Christmas!!

 No more use of the words Merry Christmas!

 And sex!!  Lots of sex!!  And everywhere...

 Whoops, there is that little disorderly personality problem creeping 
 up again!!

 Sorry about that,

 fred



  

 On 12/1/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Freedom hater.
 You're just helping the terrorist.
 Besides, all this doesn't really matter, what matters is GAY MARRIAGE!
 No, wait. I meant what really matters is, uh, the Liberals want to ban
 prayer in schools!
 So if you don't vote for the Republican party, you're voting God
 out of
 your children's lives.

 -The Republicans


 Michael Redler wrote:

  ...but wait, there's more!
  The list of people in the administration who are threatening the
  health and welfare of people in and out of the country is proving to
  be disturbing.
  Stephen Johnson
 
 
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
  John Negroponte
  http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-negroponte4,0,2380703.story
  Michael Brown
  http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/03/brown.fema.emails/
  Karl, Dick and Scooter
  http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/leak.probe/
  Rummy (small sample)
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2973564.stm
  Dubya (small sample)
 
 
 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/06/MNGS82R8101.DTL
  Michael Chertoff (suspicious)
  http://www.isreview.org/issues/43/minutemen.shtml
 http://www.isreview.org/issues/43/minutemen.shtml
  The good news is that (IMO) the internet allows us to be much more
  aware and educated, making the job of the spin doctors significantly
  more difficult.
  I'm keeping the faith.
  Mike
 
  */Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
  Mike;
 
  Please tell me this is an early April fools joke (in really bad
  taste) or an urban legend right?
  You can't be serious about this.
 
  Joe
 
  Michael Redler wrote:
 
  Mike,
  Thanks. The word is really getting out there. I've had friends
  who are non-political, asking me if I know anything about
 it and
  if it's really true.
  After doing some of my own research I came across something at
  www.commondreams.org http://www.commondreams.org
 http://www.commondreams.org/. You may have
  already seen it.
  *EPA Creates Intelligence Unit in New Reorganization
  Office of Children's Health Protection Axed*
 
 
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
 
 http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/newsprint.cgi?file=/news2005/1103-04.htm
  [snip]
  [Chairman Stephen] Johnson's own role in childhood health
 issues
  was brought into stark relief during his confirmation hearings
  over his advocacy of using children in pesticide dosing
  experiments. Although Johnson cancelled one controversial study
  (with the anomalous acronym of CHEERS) in which parents were to
  be paid to spray pesticides in the room primarily occupied by
  their infant children, he did so in the face of threats by
  Democratic senators to block his confirmation. Since then,
  Johnson has heatedly defended CHEERS and is pushing a plan to
  allow children to be used in other chemical dosing
 experiments.
  [snip]
 
  Mike
 
 

 
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Re: [Biofuel] hello (VIRUS)

2005-12-01 Thread Jason and Katie




all that means is someone with midori's address in 
their computer has a virus. i havent had any trouble with viruses, but i scan my 
comp twice a day, i guess im sort of a "germophobe"
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[Biofuel] [OT] Diebold problems in NC

2005-12-01 Thread David Miller

For anyone interested in the veracity of our elections, this slashdot 
discussion is very troubling:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/11/29/2024208.shtml?tid=103tid=123tid=219

There's reference in the article to what statistically looks like fraud 
here:

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1559


... with apologies to non-US readers who aren't interested in US 
election troubles.

--- David

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Re: [Biofuel] Diesel pick-ups in Canada

2005-12-01 Thread felixocat




Happy day Steve!
A neighbor has a full-size (dodge cummins I 
believe)one for sale... would you like me to get more info on 
it?
Peace
Good luck!
Felix
P.S. and I have two diesel mercedes for sale, 
should you be interested...
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Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?

2005-12-01 Thread David Miller

Joe Street wrote:

 Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. 
 So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using 
 taxed fuel or home brew anyways?  (assuming it is not B100 which could 
 be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then?


I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all.  Diesel 
car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet of 
trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested.  I 
know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the dye) 
in their cars without concern.   I don't do it because to it's not worth 
saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of the 
tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car.  It's nice to know I 
have the reserve though.

Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough money 
in a long time to make it worthwhile financially.

--- David


 Joe

 David Miller wrote:

Joe Street wrote:

  

Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh!




Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, 
K1), not in the stuff that's taxed.  So adding dye would be a way of 
saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had.


--- David

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Re: [Biofuel] seperating Glycerine

2005-12-01 Thread Bioclaire Nederland

I hope I can give you an explaination in english,
because I am from Holland :
Youstart with the amount of NaOH you used to
make your batch of BD.
For example 5 kg for 800 liters of BD.
So you use 5 kg NaOH, which you will all find back
in the bottom layer residue.
1 mole of NaOH weighs 23 + 16 + 1 makes 40
grams.
23 + 16 + 1 are the mole weights of the elements.
You can find them in te periodic system of elements in every schoolbook of
chemistry.
Now you mix with phosphoric acid, but what
percentage ?
Phosphoric acid is H3PO4, which has a mole weight
of (3x1) + 31 + (4x16) =98 grams
What you should try to reach is a complete reaction
between the acid and the NaOH
The reaction would be : H3PO4 +NaOH -- Na3PO4 +
H20
Now make it equal, so it gets to :
H3PO4 + 3NaOH -- Na3PO4 + 3H2O
In grams :
((3x1)+16+64)+(3x40)
-- ((3x23)+16+64) + (3x18) - 203 = 203

So the reaction is equal now.
That means you need one mole of H3PO4 + 3 moles of
NaOH to react completely and split your residue.
As you will understand now, I hope, you need 98
grams of H3PO4 for every 40 grams of NaOH you used.

Of course if you have a phosphoric acid of let's
say 75%, it means that if you take 1 kilo of that, you have 750 grams of
phosphoric acid.

All together, if you don't take enough acid, you
won't split your residue completely, but if you take too much acid, you will
findthe surplussomewhere in the FFA's , or maybe on the bottom, or
maybe solved in either of them, or maybe.

I hope I helped you with this.

Greetings,
Pieter

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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:13
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] seperating
Glycerine

Hi,I did couple of tests on glycerin separation with the
titration methodon JTF with different results.Test One;250ml
byproduct10ml phosphoricshacked vigorouslyThere was separation
with 3 layers about 60/30/10 within about 15 minutes. FFa Glycerin and
fluffy white sodium phosphateTest two;250ml byproduct10ml
phosphoricshaked vigorouslyI then added 5ml phosphoricshaked
vigorouslyI added more phosphoric to see what would happen.
there was separation with In about one minute with two layers about
50/50with creamy brown stuff on the bottom. FFa on topI then added
more phosphoric until I got separation of a reddish colour onbottom. this has
being sitting for 4 hours or so. In the jar there is
about(40/60 (ffa/glycerin) with a very
fine white layer on the bottom.

I made a mistake with the last mail.There is a greater amount of
glycerin in test two and less ffaCould any one explain to me what is
happening

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[Biofuel] FDA approves injecting ID chips in patients-Wider Implications Discussed

2005-12-01 Thread Marylynn Schmidt

Forward from another list.

Not that it's new news, but I thought this was more in-depth.

At this point, I don't believe I'm one who has been micro chipped, but I 
found the link to how to dis-able a microchip to be especially interesting.

I believe my ability to escape being micro-chipped has more to do with my 
non-belief in the allopathic medical profession for anything other than 
setting broken bones and mass trauma caused by trucks running over me .. and 
I haven't hade any of them recently.

.. who knows .. it may be a handy item to have in the not to distance 
future.

I'm a bit confused about where I stand on that part of opening the borders 
of Mexico and Canada.

Would this dismantle Home Land Security

If there was another natural and/or man-made disaster would it make it 
easier for Canada and Mexico to come to our aid?

.. if yes, then I may be in support of open borders.

Mary Lynn
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Subject: [Vaccine Info] FDA approves injecting ID chips in patients-Wider 
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FDA approves injecting ID chips in patients

by Alorie Gilbert,

November 19, 2005
ZDNet News - 2004-10-13

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved the practice of
injecting humans with tracking devices for medical purposes, according to a
Florida company that makes the devices.

Applied Digital, maker of the implantable VeriChip for humans, announced
Wednesday the FDA's approval of its technology for use in hospitals
following a yearlong review by the agency.

The computer chips, which are about the size of a grain of rice, are
designed to be injected into the fatty tissue of the arm. Using a special
scanner, doctors and other hospital staff can fetch information from the
chips, such as the patient's identity, their blood type and the details of
their condition, in order to speed treatment.

The company is targeting the devices at patients suffering from Alzheimer's
disease, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and other conditions requiring
complex treatment.

Medical data is not stored on the devices, also known as radio frequency
identification chips. Rather, it's stored in a database that links the
chips' unique serial numbers with patient data. In its review, the FDA
carefully studied the privacy issues around the technology, specifically
the risk that medical records could be improperly disclosed, according to
Applied Digital.

So far, no hospitals in the United States have placed orders for the chips,
an Applied Digital representative said. So the company is planning to give
away scanners, which cost $650 a piece, to 200 trauma centers around the
country to jump-start the market.
The patient ID chips are taking off more quickly in other countries. In
Mexico, more than 1,000 patients have been implanted with VeriChips. The
Italian Ministry of Health is testing the technology in some hospitals 
there.

Applied Digital, based in Palm Beach, Fla., also markets the VeriChip as an
authentication tool for use in building security and to complete financial
transactions. The attorney general of Mexico and 200 people on his staff
have already been implanted with the company's chips as part of an effort
to control access to areas where confidential documents are kept.

The tags, which are inserted with a syringe, have been used to track pets
and livestock for years, the company said.

Applied Digital has sold about 7,000 VeriChip devices, and approximately
1,000 have been inserted in humans, the company said in July. The company
would not provide more current figures or disclose the price of the chips.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticlecode=GIL20051119;
articleId=1288

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IAHF comments:

Little by little I've been tracking this effort to control us via
injectable microchips and have a whole section at IAHF.COM devoted to it. I
also encourage you to check out the Anti NSA section of my site as well.

First they started chipping farm animals, livestock like cows, pigs,
chickens. They did this to start getting us acclimatised. Then they started
chipping pet dogs and cats (again to get us acclimatised). They wanted
mothers to go to the Dr. with their infant child in tow and say Doc! If
its good enough for FIDO, its good enough for my KID, please CHIP the
little

Re: [Biofuel] Methanol suppliers

2005-12-01 Thread Robert Carr

Hi Chris,
what sort of quantities are you looking for? For 25L plus, try Performance
chemicals Ltd. Prices are good but carriage charges are very high. For less
than 25L, you can have some of mine at cost if you can collect from
Peterborough.
Hope this helps
Rgds Bob
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol suppliers


 Hi everyone, Ive just started attempting to make BD
 but after getting some methanol from a local model
 airplane shop, he told me that his supplier has told
 him he can no longer get him the stuff since
 apparently the british government have outlawed
 methanol being sold a seperate item so 95% or better
 stuff will become impossible to find!

 I was just wondering if there is any truth in that and
 if any homebrewers local to the east London/Essex area
 can let me know any places where I can purchase some
 methanol (I am way too novice to start using ethenol
 lol)

 Cheers for any information!

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?

2005-12-01 Thread Greg and April

In an obscure way, I am all ready there.

A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever
suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or
another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ).

I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one
of those  No one should do it but the professionals  type of people, and
he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the
people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I
want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some
concern to him ).

It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by
what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal
of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of
kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify
things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal.

I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm
just taking my time.

Greg H.


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
enoughprotection?


 Hi Keith,

 You're probably right.  I just have the fear that someone will
 kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
 be seized on by the forces of darkness.  If training were available, or
 we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel
 Board) and
 do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a
 real service.  I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and
 supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on
 legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other
 Goverments, and to lobby to counter
 the anit-BD and biofuels people.  This group could also provide training
 courses and certify trainers.  Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet
 drivers.  I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend.

 In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have
 far more experience and standing than I do.  I guess I'm a Nervous
 Nellie sometimes.
 I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and
 why.  Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from
 there.

 As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with.  I spent
 years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when.
 That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves?  Yup.  I
 don't brew inside anymore, though.  I finally built a shed for that,
 with good ventilation.

 Your JTF pages are good.  I wouldn't add much.  I have a punch list I
 give to people but you pretty much cover everything.

 Thanks,

 Mike



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[Biofuel] Biodiesel as a wood stain

2005-12-01 Thread JJJN

Hello all,

I just did some testing of biodiesel as a wood stain.  I used oak as the 
base wood and applied a coat of Bio.  The color was as pretty as can be 
if you like natural wood with out shadowing enhancements deep in the 
pore structure.  It is a deep penetrator as compared to other stains.  
The best part is it was dry in equal time and it was coatable with a 
high grade polyurethane topcoat.  I think one could add pigments if you 
wanted enhanced colors and the solvent based stain pigments will mix 
readily with the BD.  Be sure to go to the trouble of washing it out 
close to neutral Ph before use as a wood stain. 

I do wonder if you were to use ths as a preservative if it wouldn't be 
better to actualy leave it as basic as possible?  any thoughts?

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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel as a wood stain

2005-12-01 Thread Zeke Yewdall

Hm.  I've heard of people down in Ecuador perserving bamboo by
painting it with diesel -- which we all recoiled at due to the
nastyness of it.   Using biodiesel sounds better -- I wonder how it
will stand up, considering biodiesel is biodegradable?  But then again
so is tallow, beeswax, etc, and they make good shoe conditioner and
wood polish and such, so just because it's biodegradable doesn't mean
it won't hold up.  Keep up informed.

Zeke

On 12/1/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all,

 I just did some testing of biodiesel as a wood stain.  I used oak as the
 base wood and applied a coat of Bio.  The color was as pretty as can be
 if you like natural wood with out shadowing enhancements deep in the
 pore structure.  It is a deep penetrator as compared to other stains.
 The best part is it was dry in equal time and it was coatable with a
 high grade polyurethane topcoat.  I think one could add pigments if you
 wanted enhanced colors and the solvent based stain pigments will mix
 readily with the BD.  Be sure to go to the trouble of washing it out
 close to neutral Ph before use as a wood stain.

 I do wonder if you were to use ths as a preservative if it wouldn't be
 better to actualy leave it as basic as possible?  any thoughts?

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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?

2005-12-01 Thread Chris

Greg,

Do people heat with fuel oil where you are?  If so, that's not Biodiesel 
being stored, it's fuel oil.  They have got to allow tanks of that. 
(Assuming people heat with oil where you are.)

Chris K
Cayce, SC


- Original Message - 
From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good 
enoughprotection?


 In an obscure way, I am all ready there.

 A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever
 suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or
 another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ).

 I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is 
 one
 of those  No one should do it but the professionals  type of people, and
 he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the
 people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I
 want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some
 concern to him ).

 It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by
 what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 
 gal
 of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of
 kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To 
 simplify
 things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal.

 I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm
 just taking my time.

 Greg H.


 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
 enoughprotection?


 Hi Keith,

 You're probably right.  I just have the fear that someone will
 kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
 be seized on by the forces of darkness.  If training were available, or
 we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel
 Board) and
 do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a
 real service.  I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and
 supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on
 legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other
 Goverments, and to lobby to counter
 the anit-BD and biofuels people.  This group could also provide training
 courses and certify trainers.  Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet
 drivers.  I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend.

 In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have
 far more experience and standing than I do.  I guess I'm a Nervous
 Nellie sometimes.
 I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and
 why.  Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from
 there.

 As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with.  I spent
 years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when.
 That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves?  Yup.  I
 don't brew inside anymore, though.  I finally built a shed for that,
 with good ventilation.

 Your JTF pages are good.  I wouldn't add much.  I have a punch list I
 give to people but you pretty much cover everything.

 Thanks,

 Mike



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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?

2005-12-01 Thread fresheggs141

it's only biodiesel if you call it biodiesel. i would call it a biodegradable 
degreaser, cooking oil,cleaning fluid ,or  yellow stuff. 


 In an obscure way, I am all ready there.
 
 A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever
 suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or
 another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ).
 
 I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is one
 of those  No one should do it but the professionals  type of people, and
 he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the
 people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I
 want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some
 concern to him ).
 
 It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by
 what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5 gal
 of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of
 kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To simplify
 things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal.
 
 I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm
 just taking my time.
 
 Greg H.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
 enoughprotection?
 
 
  Hi Keith,
 
  You're probably right.  I just have the fear that someone will
  kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
  be seized on by the forces of darkness.  If training were available, or
  we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel
  Board) and
  do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a
  real service.  I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and
  supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on
  legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other
  Goverments, and to lobby to counter
  the anit-BD and biofuels people.  This group could also provide training
  courses and certify trainers.  Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet
  drivers.  I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend.
 
  In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have
  far more experience and standing than I do.  I guess I'm a Nervous
  Nellie sometimes.
  I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and
  why.  Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from
  there.
 
  As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with.  I spent
  years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when.
  That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves?  Yup.  I
  don't brew inside anymore, though.  I finally built a shed for that,
  with good ventilation.
 
  Your JTF pages are good.  I wouldn't add much.  I have a punch list I
  give to people but you pretty much cover everything.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mike
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] seperating Glycerine mistake !

2005-12-01 Thread Bioclaire Nederland





I wrote :

In grams :
((3x1)+16+64)+(3x40) 
-- ((3x23)+16+64) + (3x18) - 203 = 203

So the reaction is equal now.
That means you need one mole of H3PO4 + 3 moles of 
NaOH to react completely and split your residue.
As you will understand now, I hope, you need 98 
grams of H3PO4 for every 40 grams of NaOH you 
used.

This should be : 98 grams of H3PO4 (is one 
mole) for 3 moles of NaOH which is 120 grams. Not 40 grams
40 grams is 1 mole.


  
  I hope I can give you an explaination in english, 
  because I am from Holland :
  Youstart with the amount of NaOH you used 
  to make your batch of BD.
  For example 5 kg for 800 liters of 
  BD.
  So you use 5 kg NaOH, which you will all find 
  back in the bottom layer residue.
  1 mole of NaOH weighs 23 + 16 + 1 makes 40 
  grams.
  23 + 16 + 1 are the mole weights of the elements. 
  You can find them in te periodic system of elements in every schoolbook of 
  chemistry.
  Now you mix with phosphoric acid, but what 
  percentage ?
  Phosphoric acid is H3PO4, which has a mole weight 
  of (3x1) + 31 + (4x16) =98 grams
  What you should try to reach is a complete 
  reaction between the acid and the NaOH
  The reaction would be : H3PO4 +NaOH -- Na3PO4 
  + H20
  Now make it equal, so it gets to :
  H3PO4 + 3NaOH -- Na3PO4 + 3H2O
  In grams :
  ((3x1)+16+64)+(3x40) 
  -- ((3x23)+16+64) + (3x18) - 203 = 
  203
  
  So the reaction is equal now.
  That means you need one mole of H3PO4 + 3 moles 
  of NaOH to react completely and split your residue.
  As you will understand now, I hope, you need 98 
  grams of H3PO4 for every 40 grams of NaOH you used.
  
  Of course if you have a phosphoric acid of let's 
  say 75%, it means that if you take 1 kilo of that, you have 750 grams of 
  phosphoric acid.
  
  All together, if you don't take enough acid, you 
  won't split your residue completely, but if you take too much acid, you will 
  findthe surplussomewhere in the FFA's , or maybe on the bottom, or 
  maybe solved in either of them, or maybe.
  
  I hope I helped you with this.
  
  Greetings,
  Pieter
  
  
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owens 
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org 

Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:13 
PM
Subject: [Biofuel] seperating 
Glycerine

Hi,I did couple of tests on glycerin separation with the 
titration methodon JTF with different results.Test One;250ml 
byproduct10ml phosphoricshacked vigorouslyThere was 
separation with 3 layers about 60/30/10 within about 15 minutes. FFa 
Glycerin and fluffy white sodium phosphateTest two;250ml 
byproduct10ml phosphoricshaked vigorouslyI then added 5ml 
phosphoricshaked vigorouslyI added more phosphoric to 
see what would happen. there was separation with In about one minute 
with two layers about 50/50with creamy brown stuff on the bottom. FFa on 
topI then added more phosphoric until I got separation of a reddish 
colour onbottom. this has being sitting for 4 hours or so. In the jar 
there is about(40/60 (ffa/glycerin) 
with a very fine white layer on the bottom. 
 

I made a mistake with the last mail.There is a greater amount 
of glycerin in test two and less ffaCould any one explain to me what 
is happening



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Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good enoughprotection?

2005-12-01 Thread Zeke Yewdall

Hmmm.  Remind me never to come to your town, as my truck has an 18.5
gallon fuel tank filled with biodiesel/diesel.  If I parked in your
driveway, It'd be illegal.



On 12/1/05, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greg,

 Do people heat with fuel oil where you are?  If so, that's not Biodiesel
 being stored, it's fuel oil.  They have got to allow tanks of that.
 (Assuming people heat with oil where you are.)

 Chris K
 Cayce, SC


 - Original Message -
 From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
 enoughprotection?


  In an obscure way, I am all ready there.
 
  A neighbor up the street let me know about a month ago that if he ever
  suspects that I am making BioDiesel, he will make sure that one way or
  another will I end up in court ( legal or civil ).
 
  I'm not totaly sure of what the issue is, but, near as I can tell, he is
  one
  of those  No one should do it but the professionals  type of people, and
  he works for the city utilities ( I have found that he is the one of the
  people involved in buying the electricity for the city, so the fact that I
  want to use the BioDiesel to generate my own electricity is probably some
  concern to him ).
 
  It appears that the city has an obscure law about how much fuel ( and by
  what type) that can be stored on the premises of a residence, and only 5
  gal
  of diesel ( of any type ) may be on hand at any time ( although 30 gal of
  kero may be stored ) in approved DOT above ground containers.To
  simplify
  things for inspectors, anything not approved by the law, is illegal.
 
  I'm still trying to figure out the ins and out's of this law, and so I'm
  just taking my time.
 
  Greg H.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 13:40
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol - was Re: neoprene gloves good
  enoughprotection?
 
 
  Hi Keith,
 
  You're probably right.  I just have the fear that someone will
  kill/blind/maim themselves making BD and it'll
  be seized on by the forces of darkness.  If training were available, or
  we could setp an serious non-profit (that is NOT the National Biodiesel
  Board) and
  do training, like The Motorcycle Safety Institute does, it would be a
  real service.  I have toyed with the idea of a non-profit geared to and
  supported by the home-brew and smaller brew gang, to keep and an eye on
  legislation, provide the truth to the media and Congress and other
  Goverments, and to lobby to counter
  the anit-BD and biofuels people.  This group could also provide training
  courses and certify trainers.  Maybe to outreach to farmers and fleet
  drivers.  I don't get the feeling the NBB is our friend.
 
  In no way do I mean to challenge your knowledge and instincts; you have
  far more experience and standing than I do.  I guess I'm a Nervous
  Nellie sometimes.
  I am always careful to tell newbies coming by to learn what I do and
  why.  Then I make a small batch with SVO, so it works, then move on from
  there.
 
  As for my safety when brewing, I do what I'm comfortable with.  I spent
  years as a mechanic and have a bit of clue as to what to wear and when.
  That said, have I whipped up a small batch without gloves?  Yup.  I
  don't brew inside anymore, though.  I finally built a shed for that,
  with good ventilation.
 
  Your JTF pages are good.  I wouldn't add much.  I have a punch list I
  give to people but you pretty much cover everything.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mike
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming