RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Well that's why I used famous betweeen inverted commas :) I just wanted to point that, as far as I know, KIXX was unique in that regard. Games without copy protection are useful for WHDLoad users. Besides, it's true that being famous doesn't mean it sells for a lot on eBay. Unless it is auctioned with the label RARE! of course :D -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 38K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: (bcc: Pedro Quaresma/SCAETANO) Assunto: RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Freddie Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26-02-2004 16:29 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Being 'famous' doesn't mean it sells for a lot on eBay! Freddie From: MASTER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pedro Quaresma Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions The KIXX re-releases of the Lucasfilm games have very little value. Just $5-$10 for Maniac Mansion and Zak. Not 100% true. The Amiga KIXX reedition of Monkey Island is famous because it has no copy protection :) Many KIXX games were sold with no copy protection, which is (was?) imho great. -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 38K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
There is also an Erbe spanish reedition of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, in a smaller box. -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 38K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: (bcc: Pedro Quaresma/SCAETANO) Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Jukka Eronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25-02-2004 23:12 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Hi! Is the list going to be only adventures/RPGs or other type of games too? There are also german and israeli-versions of Lucas games that I haven't listed (that we discussed last year a bit too) just because at the moment I don't think to collect them; I'm collecting way too much at the moment anyways ;) On the other hand when you collect a lot, there's rarely more than a brief stop in finding something you're looking for. I don't know them all and to include them would require quite some detective work/time, so I don't necessarily want to do that right now. >From top of my head a few: - Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (German, with poster of the cover art) - Monkey Island (German, disk) - Loom (Israeli) - Day of the Tentacle (German) - Vollgas / Full Throttle (German) etc... And I'd surely include The Dig from 1995 as I for one regard it one of the best adventure games ever made. The atmosphere and ambient music are brilliant. The CD soundtrack for it is from 1996. I'd regard it highly collectible too. German or some other version of this had a normal bigger manual, as all the other versions I've seen only have the CD-sized manual. BTW they really should make sequal for the game; though I don't know if it's such a good idea after all at the current video game market (the lack of inspiriation/brain and current stage of 3D doesn't attract me at all). And surely it should be 2D. I haven't followed the current gaming for some time; is either Full Throttle 2 and Sam Max 2 anymore on production? And I think you're choice for not going for variants after the newer Lucas-games; they seem like a mess. F.ex. I have Scandinavian box version of Grim Fandango and Curse of Monkey Island. So what I'm saying there might be all kinds Timbuktu-variants or sorts :) (Not saying that in a negative way or anything.) (Updating Tolkien-collecting to all the modern platforms would be horrible too; PS2, Gameboy, X-Box, Gameboy Advande, Gamecube... The horror, the horror...) Full Throttle (the attached image) (I need more info on this one) That's the most common version I'm aware of (large two-piece high box); could you inform me too what you mean?-) Here are my Lucas scans; click to see bigger (if you haven't noticed :): http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_fin_games_lucasarts.html I only know the regular portioned box (more height than width) and the wide box for it. ** I am almost 100% certain there is no other versions of Zak Yeah, it's probably time to take that out from my list :) (Though there is that KiXX XL two-piece box, but it doesn't count to me.) - Jukka -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/ - Synchronic Web -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
[Nazgûl hologram] Hold on, this game is from the 80's. And you are saying you ordered it using the coupon in the game now, 15+ years later?? Or am I missing something here. Do you mean you just got it off eBay from some guy in the UK?Hehe, you're just drawing your own conclusions :)Yeah I bought it from eBay UK.At the time (probably 1985-86)it was available for ordering only in those places I mentioned.Actually, I remembering reading on the netcouple years ago someone sent a 3.5" disk to 5.25" floppy-replacement coupon (which apparently didn't have an expirement day)with the disks to LucasArts just for fun and the heck of it.The game was probably The Secret of Monkey Island.Obviously they didn't have floppies of it anymore,but some weeks later he received Monkey Island Madness on CDor something alike.That's quite honorable from LucasArts.Does someone remember the link for this?- Jukka--http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/eng_index.html - Synchronic Web
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Yeah, both Zak and Maniac Mansion have regular and enhanced versions regarding resolution; both are 16 colors. Jim already posted links but here are some nice comparisons too: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/temp/temp_maniac_comparison.jpg http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/temp/temp_zak_comparison.jpg I have the Maniacs on my harddrive. The first version is about 300K and the later is about 650K. I don't think I have enhanced Zak. Then it gets confusing which box versions included which version. Since I recall my later 1989 PC-version (with 3.5 5.25 disks) which you'd think is the enhanced one, is in fact the first version. (Though I don't know if this matters for the lists sake.) The CURIOUS Guide will cover ALL games...that are action/strategy games made between 1981 and 1983 for the VIC-20. :-) That was a joke...it will cover any game from 77 - 93 plus any game deemed collectible or interesting after that timeframe. Yeah :) I was just confused because we were listing only adventures from Lucas, and not the many Indiana Jones -games, arcade games (like Ballblazer), Night Shift, etc... - Jukka -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/eng_index.html - Synchronic Web -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Pedro Quaresma wrote: There is also an Erbe spanish reedition of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, in a smaller box. The arcade-one with the cover art directly from the movie poster? (The game includes a poster too, though I'm missing it.) Or is there an adventure release of Indy 3 too? Some Indy box shots and a collecting list: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_games_indy.html http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_collecting_indy.html - Jukka -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/ - Synchronic Web
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Not the arcade one. It's a spanish release of the point'n'click adventure (using the SCUMM engine). -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 38K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: (bcc: Pedro Quaresma/SCAETANO) Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Jukka Eronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26-02-2004 10:07 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Pedro Quaresma wrote: There is also an Erbe spanish reedition of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, in a smaller box. The arcade-one with the cover art directly from the movie poster? (The game includes a poster too, though I'm missing it.) Or is there an adventure release of Indy 3 too? Some Indy box shots and a collecting list: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_games_indy.html http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_collecting_indy.html - Jukka -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/ - Synchronic Web ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
The KIXX re-releases of the Lucasfilm games have very little value. Just $5-$10 for Maniac Mansion and Zak. I've found reports that the Enhanced Maniac Mansion contains a poster of Zak McKracken (instead of Star Wars) in the game room. I loaded the Maniac Mansion from my DOTT Tri-Box CD and it was the V1 (not enhanced), same with the Maniac Mansion on the DOTT CD in the Lucasarts Archives. I did that because I found it commonly reported that the enhanced MM debuted in DOTT. I then loaded Zak and MM from the Lucasarts Classics (from 1992) and voila there are the enhanced versions of both (As reported by SCUMMVM). I think it is rather safe to assume this is where the enhanced versions made their debut. Now if you were going to play Zak, you would still want to play the 256 color FM Towns version. Freddie -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Freddie Bingham wrote: The hi-res version if Zak that you have is the FM Towns (Japanese PC Console) 256 color version that is playable on the SCUMM emulator. I do No, it is not. What I have is clearly a 320x200 @ 16 color version, not FM Towns 256-color version. Here is a screenshot of the low-res one most people have: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,305/gameShotId,8122/ ..and here is the same shot from the high-res one: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,305/gameShotId,3579/ And to further bake your noodle, here is a low-res original Maniac Mansion: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,714/gameShotId,8520/ ..and here is the high-res 16-color version: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,714/gameShotId,30499/ Before you start tearing your hair out, I have verified that the high-res MM was a UK release (go to MobyGames.com and look at the DOS UK release back box, it has the high-res shots on it), and the high-res Zak was a KIXX Australian release. The remaining question: Are the euro high-res versions worth more than the original ones? CURIOUS! -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Freddie Bingham wrote: Being 'famous' doesn't mean it sells for a lot on eBay! Agreed. Or rare, either. Anyone interested in buying a $200 Wibarm from me? ;-) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
The KIXX re-releases of the Lucasfilm games have very little value. Just $5-$10 for Maniac Mansion and Zak. Not 100% true. The Amiga KIXX reedition of Monkey Island is famous because it has no copy protection :) Many KIXX games were sold with no copy protection, which is (was?) imho great. -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 38K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
I think you may be jumping to conclusions here... Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions *snip* Before you start tearing your hair out, I have verified that the high-res MM was a UK release (go to MobyGames.com and look at the DOS UK release back box, it has the high-res shots on it), and the high-res Zak was a KIXX Australian release. The remaining question: Are the euro high-res versions worth more than the original ones? CURIOUS! -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Thanks for all the answers and welcomes! (I would have joined sooner, but as Feldman said, one had to find here :) BTW, how many people are on this list approximately? Stefan Lindblom wrote: I have most of the SSI catalogues, but not the ones from 1981, let me know if you want me to take pics or so. I'd appreciate that very much; I have pics of these 22 catalogs at the moment: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_fin_collecting_ssifantasy.html Josh Lulewicz wrote: I believe I have all of the Sierra catalogs, I just haven't put them up on my site yet. - And which games include those early catalogs? Most of the early On-Line Systems games included catalogs. What about 1983-86 ? None of my games have catalogs from that period but that could be bad luck (King's Quest III gray is sealed so don't know about that). Some registration cards do have lists of games. Josh Lulewicz wrote: The 1992 catalog has King Graham near a bridge to Dr. Brain's castle and a plane flying overhead. It says Big $avings Inside in the lower right hand corner. It came with just about every game released toward the end of 1991 and most of 1992. I've thought that as of 1991 catalog; that explains a lot. So they used it for that long. I think I have two variations of it; one is wider (probably US) than the other (Europe). Will have to check. So it's probably 1990 I'm after; I know these, any other from that year because the first is not a regular catalog and the other is a small tri-fold: - New Creations from Sierra: A Sierra News Magazine Reprint (Fall 1990) - Sierra - Amiga only Howard Feldman wrote: I have (pics of) the 86 and 87 ones but dont have a Spring 88 or 89 - these probably dont exist (sinc eI have gone through a LOT of SSI games from this era and never had one). I'll have to find the source again but at least they were mentioned somewhere; I wouldn't have put them on my list otherwise. Howard Feldman wrote: 2. Did these SSI ADD-games have clue books: * Neverwinter Nights (1991) * War of the Lance (1989) * DragonStrike (1990) Nope. These games are not amenable to clue books really since they are action/strategy games (the last two anyways) Dragons of Flame and Heroes of the Lance have clue books and their action, so one couldn't be sure. Though the latter is only couple of pages long/short. Howard Feldman wrote: I have SSI catalogs from 1984 onwards - I'm not sure how many catalogs exist prior to this, but probably only conatining their war games (which I dont collect I don't collect the war games either, but I try to collect those early catalogs too (and prototype box shots of them too to my page). There's something fascinating about catalogs :). The alternative/unreleased covers they sometimes include are surely the most interesting. And f.ex. this is great work of art was used only as a cover for a catalog (to best of my knowledge); that shows class from SSI: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/gamecollection/catalogs/ssi_spring1986_big jpg Could the art be derived from some SSI fantasy game (or just something they didn't find other use for) ? The figure on the left is probably the only indicator if it's on some game too. BTW off-topic; anyone having old Walt Disney Home Video catalogs? Mainly looking for rental catalogs, if such exist (I'd sure think they would). Web links are welcome too. Josh Lulewicz wrote: [Blue white Softporn] I don't know of anyone that has this. I have spoken to a few ex-Sierra people and none of them remember it. All they know of is the Roberta/Hot-tub version. It is quite possible that it was just a mock up made for that picture of games (featured in the 10th Anniversary catalog). That's an interesting point. Though even as a mock-up, it sure would be interesting to see as whole and surely doesn't diminish it's collecting value :) Well, actually I'd give half of my game collection for Lord of the Rings: Journey to Rivendell -protoype box (mock-up). (A bit exaggarated.) BTW, I noticed you had a pic of the LOTR limited edition Nazgul hologram - any idea how rare this is? Did you pick it up somewhere or are you the original owner? These things were expensive so I cant imagine they sold many?? I bought it couple of monts ago from UK. It was only available for purchasers of LOTR: Game One in Great Britain, Channel Island and the Isle of Mann (that last place always amuses me; if you've seen The Fast Show you know what I mean :). I don't know anyone else who owns one. This is the regular version; the price mentioned in for a deluxe-one is outrageous. My PC-version of LOTR: Game One -manual (was it 1987?) doesn't include the offer anymore. Though the product itself isn't as classy as one would expect. The wooden frame is poorly/uneavenly cut and it bothers a bit that Nazgul is handwritten just like that as it should be Nazgûl. At least Tolkien doesn't write it any other way. I have LOTR as a text file where I just checked; I own a printed copy too so
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Jukka Eronen wrote: Thanks for all the answers and welcomes! (I would have joined sooner, but as Feldman said, one had to find here :) BTW, how many people are on this list approximately? Over 40. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Marco Thorek wrote: Hehe, how old were you Jim, can't beleive they charged you $5 after you rode all that way and being a kid and all. Yup, they should have rewarded his determination. In retrospect, they should have. I was playing the DOS version, which had a typo in the damn dictionary and was therefore unwinnable unless you typed something like push hadnle (instead of handle). I don't remember the exact typo, but it was near the very end. Because of this I still never won the game until a hacker friend of mine told me he found the typo when he also got stuck and loaded the game into a debugger to cheat :) This was almost a decade later. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
In this case I'd define a lurker as someone who's never posted to the list at all... Any grues lurking? : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: Chris Newman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Lurkers? Where? :) - Original Message - From: Marco Thorek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Jim Leonard schrieb: BTW, how many people are on this list approximately? Over 40. Is that so? Then we must have many lurkers. Marco -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
[LucasFilm/LucasArts] ** I am almost 100% certain there is no other versions of Zak Yeah, it's probably time to take that out from my list :) (Though there is that KiXX XL two-piece box, but it doesn't count to me.) But I don't know if you disregarded that there are these 2 one-piece boxes that have different background screenshots (1988 and 1989): http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/gamecollection/big/zak_back.jpg http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/gamecollection/big/zak_pc_back.jpg - J -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/eng_index.html - Synchronic Web -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Do you have both of these? Do you think it is possible that these two copies are for two different systems, i.e. Amiga or IBM or C64. Yep, as said the ones at this page are from my collection (click on mini pics to enlarge covers): http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_games_lucasarts.html My C64 versions has that 1988 box and PC has 1989 box. Don't know if Amiga, PC, Atari or other platforms were released in 1988 box too... (Had another Amiga-version earlier and it was 1989 too). I don't want to rip my C64 platform-tape off the Zak cover :) as under that would read some other platform. Yeah, collecting is quite insane :) The previous reminds this; taken from a game forum: 'Rainbow Islands: The game is sometimes called Bubble Bobble 2. However, two other games --Bubble Symphony: The Story of Bubble Bobble 2 and Bubble Bobble 2-- claim the same name. Rainbow Islands happens after Bubble Bobble. Bubble Symphony happens after Bubble Memories, which is called Bubble Bobble 3, so Bubble Symphony is really Bubble Bobble 4 or 5. Bubble Bobble 2 also happens after Bubble Memories, so it is either Bubble Bobble 4 or 5. Bubble Symphony's song titles, which refer to Bub and Bob as Grandfather, are true, then Bubble Symphony is Bubble Bobble 5 and Bubble Bobble 2, which features Robby, the son, is Bubble Bobble 4. But then again, the intro of Bubble Symphony refers to Bubby and Bobby as the children of Bub and Bob, so Bubble Symphony is Bubble Bobble 4.' (And apparently it doesn't end even there...) - J -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/ - Synchronic Web -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
BTW, I noticed you had a pic of the LOTR limited edition Nazgul hologram - any idea how rare this is? Did you pick it up somewhere or are you the original owner? These things were expensive so I cant imagine they sold many?? Is that the one offerred in the Melbourne House game? Can you send me the link, Jukka? I don't believe I've seen it yet. If they didn't sell many they may have had a bunch leftover. I keep hoping to find someone who may have kept a bunch. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Reminds me of when Mindscape used to be here in town (used to be in Northbrook, IL). I rode there on my bicycle in 1987 when I was stuck in The Mist and needed hints. The receptionist was surprised when she learned I just got on my bike and rode about 7 miles to ask questions. It was my turn to be surprised when she told me that hints to The Mist were $5. I paid, and got two xerox'd sheets of paper with questions and answers. I still have this somewhere and could probably dig it up if there is massive demand for it, but I highly doubt it :) Anyway, that was the official clue book for The Mist, and I know because I got it directly, hand to hand, from Mindscape. I got something like this from ICOM. May have a Mindscape one too, I can't remember. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Freddie Bingham wrote: ** I am almost 100% certain there is no other versions of Zak I have (pirated) copies of both a Zak McKracken using the low-res SCUMM (160x200 graphics) and also redrawn high-res (320x200) graphics. Based on the file dates and times I am sure these are different releases. Anyone know more? I also have the same type of variation (also pirated) for Maniac Mansion, although I suspect that the high-res Maniac Mansion was what was embedded in Day of the Tentacle. Again, anyone have more info? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Jukka Eronen wrote: But I don't know if you disregarded that there are these 2 one-piece boxes that have different background screenshots (1988 and 1989): I also have an Australian Zak package with a frame border around the front and back. I suppose that could be a further package variation? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Jukka Eronen wrote: Is the list going to be only adventures/RPGs or other type of games too? God, I hope not! I would hope it would be pretty much any genre of game. Hugh? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
In a message dated 02/25/2004 10:45:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also have an Australian Zak package with a "frame" border around the front and back. I suppose that could be a further package variation? How about this, "SelectWare" Classic Collection on CD Rom. Includes Zak, Ultima Savage Empire, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and "special bonus" Maniac Mansion :) Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
I haven't followed the current gaming for some time; is either Full Throttle 2 and Sam Max 2 anymore on production? Yes to the latter, hope they dont mess it up! http://www.lucasarts.com/products/freelancepolice/ -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://home.golden.net/~feldman/SearchForFreedom/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
The hi-res version if Zak that you have is the FM Towns (Japanese PC Console) 256 color version that is playable on the SCUMM emulator. I do own a shrinkwrapped copy of this one. I do believe the enhanced maniac mansion is the one from DOTT as it was not released on the FM Towns. Freddie -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Freddie Bingham wrote: ** I am almost 100% certain there is no other versions of Zak I have (pirated) copies of both a Zak McKracken using the low-res SCUMM (160x200 graphics) and also redrawn high-res (320x200) graphics. Based on the file dates and times I am sure these are different releases. Anyone know more? I also have the same type of variation (also pirated) for Maniac Mansion, although I suspect that the high-res Maniac Mansion was what was embedded in Day of the Tentacle. Again, anyone have more info? -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Freddie Bingham wrote: The hi-res version if Zak that you have is the FM Towns (Japanese PC Console) 256 color version that is playable on the SCUMM emulator. I do No, it is not. What I have is clearly a 320x200 @ 16 color version, not FM Towns 256-color version. Here is a screenshot of the low-res one most people have: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,305/gameShotId,8122/ ..and here is the same shot from the high-res one: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,305/gameShotId,3579/ And to further bake your noodle, here is a low-res original Maniac Mansion: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,714/gameShotId,8520/ ..and here is the high-res 16-color version: http://www.mobygames.com/game/shots/p,2/gameId,714/gameShotId,30499/ Before you start tearing your hair out, I have verified that the high-res MM was a UK release (go to MobyGames.com and look at the DOS UK release back box, it has the high-res shots on it), and the high-res Zak was a KIXX Australian release. The remaining question: Are the euro high-res versions worth more than the original ones? CURIOUS! -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Hey Jukka, glad you found this list, welcome! 1. Did old SSI fantasy games (non-ADD) have clue books other than Realms of Darkness? I bought most of these new back in the 80's, and the answer is no, none came with a clue book except Realms of Darkness. (Eternal Dagger has a 'strategy guide' that came with it.. 2. Did these SSI ADD-games have clue books: * Neverwinter Nights (1991) * War of the Lance (1989) * DragonStrike (1990) Nope. These games are not amenable to clue books really since they are action/strategy games (the last two anyways) 4. Do you have knowledge on Sierra, Lucas and/or SSI catalogs or even pictures of them? There are listing of these catalogs I know at my site with pics, too. I have SSI catalogs from 1984 onwards - I'm not sure how many catalogs exist prior to this, but probably only conatining their war games (which I dont collect). For Sierra I have a pic of an early On-Line systems catalog, date unknown. It is just a 2-page sheet of cardboard with lots of text. After that I have 1987 and onwards. I also haven't seen these though I've seen the titles somewhere: - SSI Summer 1986 - SSI Spring 1987 - SSI Spring 1988 - SSI Spring 1989 I have (pics of) the 86 and 87 ones but dont have a Spring 88 or 89 - these probably dont exist (sinc eI have gone through a LOT of SSI games from this era and never had one). BTW, I noticed you had a pic of the LOTR limited edition Nazgul hologram - any idea how rare this is? Did you pick it up somewhere or are you the original owner? These things were expensive so I cant imagine they sold many?? -- -- Howard Feldman, Author of The Search for Freedom A Computer Fantasy Role-Playing Game Visit its Homepage at http://home.golden.net/~feldman/SearchForFreedom/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
I bought most of these new back in the 80's, and the answer is no, none came with a clue book except Realms of Darkness. (Eternal Dagger has a 'strategy guide' that came with it.. Well in a way yes, though not official. Since it was so long ago and I was not on the net I sent to SSI when I got stuck in some of the RPGs I played. They sent me printed lists of "clues" for the games. Standard issue, not just answers to my questions. Wonder if I still have any? ;) Phantasie games for sure. Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
Re: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought most of these new back in the 80's, and the answer is no, none came with a clue book except Realms of Darkness. (Eternal Dagger has a 'strategy guide' that came with it.. Well in a way yes, though not official. Since it was so long ago and I was not on the net I sent to SSI when I got stuck in some of the RPGs I played. They sent me printed lists of clues for the games. Standard issue, not just answers to my questions. Wonder if I still have any? ;) Phantasie games for sure. Reminds me of when Mindscape used to be here in town (used to be in Northbrook, IL). I rode there on my bicycle in 1987 when I was stuck in The Mist and needed hints. The receptionist was surprised when she learned I just got on my bike and rode about 7 miles to ask questions. It was my turn to be surprised when she told me that hints to The Mist were $5. I paid, and got two xerox'd sheets of paper with questions and answers. I still have this somewhere and could probably dig it up if there is massive demand for it, but I highly doubt it :) Anyway, that was the official clue book for The Mist, and I know because I got it directly, hand to hand, from Mindscape. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Hello,I'm new on this list so a little introduction could be in order.I'm from Finland and I actively collect (and research)classic adventures/RPGs for any systems;mainly Sierra, Lucas, Tolkien, Ultima, ADD and SSI fantasy.My web page with collecting info and lots of box scans(front, back and some include item pics too)on all of these genres plus more can be found at:http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_collecting.html I update the site very often.There is f.ex. a prototype box art page whichhas many unreleased covers not to be found anywhere else on the net(at the moment Sierra, Lucas, SSI and Tolkien related).I've also covered hint/clue books and catalogs and there's a market place. Since I might have come to the source of knowledge I surehave plenty of questions, but I'll start with these few: 1. Did old SSI fantasy games (non-ADD) haveclue books other than "Realms of Darkness"? 2. Did these SSI ADD-games have clue books: * Neverwinter Nights (1991) * War of the Lance (1989) * DragonStrike (1990) 3. Was "Chronicles of Osgorth: The Shattered Alliance"the first SSI fantasy game (and not Questron)?It seems very obscure. According to box back theywere going to release sequals for "Chronicles" but apparently never did. Was it released only as the large box version? 4. Do you have knowledge on Sierra, Lucas and/or SSI catalogsor even pictures of them?There are listing of these catalogs I know at my site with pics, too. From LucasArts I have only couple pics of Adventurer-catalogsand not a lot of info on their releases. From Sierra 1980-86 is quite blurry to me; only know two catalogsfrom that period. And which games include those early catalogs? And anyone have info or picture on 1992 Sierra catalog(s) (plus what games it comes with) ? From SSI's starting year (1980?) to 1985 isn't clear; especially 19??-1983.I also haven't seen these though I've seen the titles somewhere:- SSI Summer 1986- SSI Spring 1987 - SSI Spring 1988 - SSI Spring 1989 I'd appreciate any info/pics. 5. Anyone has picture of blue white Softporn?This partial pic is the only one I've found:http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/temp/softporn_online.jpg 6. Feel free to submit or point out to me where (in what catalogs etc.)I can find unreleased/prototype box art pictures. I highly appreciate this.Early/different screenshots are interesting too (f.ex. I haveearly screenshots of f.ex. Indy 4 and The Dig which are totally different from the final).Anyone know in what catalog can be found the white earlycover art of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis? Regards,- Jukka -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/eng_index.html - Synchronic Web
RE: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions
Hey Jukka! Welcome to the list! 4. Do you have knowledge on Sierracatalogs I believe I have all of the Sierra catalogs, I just havent put them up on my site yet. - And which games include those early catalogs? Most of the early On-Line Systems games included catalogs. - And anyone have info or picture on 1992 Sierra catalog(s) The 1992 catalog has King Graham near a bridge to Dr. Brains castle and a plane flying overhead. It says Big $avings Inside in the lower right hand corner. It came with just about every game released toward the end of 1991 and most of 1992. 5. Anyone has picture of blue white Softporn? I dont know of anyone that has this. I have spoken to a few ex-Sierra people and none of them remember it. All they know of is the Roberta/Hot-tub version. It is quite possible that it was just a mock up made for that picture of games (featured in the 10th Anniversary catalog). Only time will tell. I hope that helps a little. Josh -Original Message- From: Jukka Eronen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] Sierra/Lucas/Tolkien/Ultima/ADD/SSI - info and questions Hello, I'm new on this list so a little introduction could be in order. I'm from Finland and I actively collect (and research) classic adventures/RPGs for any systems; mainly Sierra, Lucas, Tolkien, Ultima, ADD and SSI fantasy. My web page with collecting info and lots of box scans (front, back and some include item pics too) on all of these genres plus more can be found at: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/_eng_collecting.html I update the site very often. There is f.ex. a prototype box art page which has many unreleased covers not to be found anywhere else on the net (at the moment Sierra, Lucas, SSI and Tolkien related). I've also covered hint/clue books and catalogs and there's a market place. Since I might have come to the source of knowledge I sure have plenty of questions, but I'll start with these few: 1. Did old SSI fantasy games (non-ADD) have clue books other than Realms of Darkness? 2. Did these SSI ADD-games have clue books: * Neverwinter Nights (1991) * War of the Lance (1989) * DragonStrike (1990) 3. Was Chronicles of Osgorth: The Shattered Alliance the first SSI fantasy game (and not Questron)? It seems very obscure. According to box back they were going to release sequals for Chronicles but apparently never did. Was it released only as the large box version? 4. Do you have knowledge on Sierra, Lucas and/or SSI catalogs or even pictures of them? There are listing of these catalogs I know at my site with pics, too. From LucasArts I have only couple pics of Adventurer-catalogs and not a lot of info on their releases. From Sierra 1980-86 is quite blurry to me; only know two catalogs from that period. And which games include those early catalogs? And anyone have info or picture on 1992 Sierra catalog(s) (plus what games it comes with) ? From SSI's starting year (1980?) to 1985 isn't clear; especially 19??-1983. I also haven't seen these though I've seen the titles somewhere: - SSI Summer 1986 - SSI Spring 1987 - SSI Spring 1988 - SSI Spring 1989 I'd appreciate any info/pics. 5. Anyone has picture of blue white Softporn? This partial pic is the only one I've found: http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/pics/temp/softporn_online.jpg 6. Feel free to submit or point out to me where (in what catalogs etc.) I can find unreleased/prototype box art pictures. I highly appreciate this. Early/different screenshots are interesting too (f.ex. I have early screenshots of f.ex. Indy 4 and The Dig which are totally different from the final). Anyone know in what catalog can be found the white early cover art of Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis? Regards, - Jukka -- http://koti.mbnet.fi/psychic/eng_index.html - Synchronic Web
