[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
In a message dated 05/10/2004 9:50:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You guys went to school/college together?
Heh, where did you come up with that Marco? No, we live fairly close
to each other, were discussing Moby scale one day while
Freddie Bingham wrote:
Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same quality of wrap that most games
That is not true at all -- I can identify with greater than 99% accuracy
whether or not something has been re-wrapped. And although
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is anyone interested in doing something like this? If we each took a certain grade, we could accomplish a lot:
Yes, this was the main reason I registered www.softwarecollecting.org -- to
create an illustrated FAQ of all this stuff, and also a FAQ derived from the
Dan Chisarick wrote:
Ok, generally I keep out of the grading discussions because I toss
shrinkwrap on games like I would on sandwiches (in contrast to the
death-threat below). Question: How do you handle funk? Basement funk
(game stored in a damp cellar), smoker's house, cat used the space
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Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same quality of wrap that most
games
were shipped in (the softer, more pliable wrap). Take a hole punch to it
and you
Stuart Feldhamer schrieb:
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
Yeah, we don't have real problems ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Yup, remember Jim, when we were discussing the Moby scale (long time
ago, at my storage locker I believe)
You guys went to school/college together?
Marco
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Alexander Zöller schrieb:
I know what you're saying. You crack the wrap, the game is still stone
mint, but it will only grade NM.
There's a good reason to this however. Only with the factory wrap can a
game be graded mint, because once opened, it's no longer as it comes from
the factory.
Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
Hmmm...
If I had to summarize:
Most people are unhappy that the prices are going ridiculously high.
There is a big argument about whether it should be MS or M(S).
Nobody sees the connection between these two threads?
I don't, actually...?
--
Jim Leonard ([EMAIL
At the most superficial level, both of these are signs that the hobby is on
its way to becoming more commercialized.
Stuart
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From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:09 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch and I Don't
Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2004/05/10 Mon PM 05:28:20 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Freddie Bingham wrote:
I still maintain the guide is confusing since you have one situation
where a
grade and modifier can not be used together.
Taken at face value, yes, I can see how
Stuart Feldhamer wrote:
At the most superficial level, both of these are signs that the hobby is on
its way to becoming more commercialized.
A bit of a stretch, but I see your point. Maybe commercialization is a
necessary step toward getting our hobby more recognized? More
recognition means
Aaargh... yes, that always makes me whince.
There was an eBay auction way back in 2001 for a shrinked Kilrathi Saga,
M(S). Apparently the seller was contacted by a guy urging him to check if
the wrap was authentic and the game truly unopened. Not knowing what to
look for, this poor chap cracked
In a message dated 05/10/2004 8:21:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4130364298
from the auction:
" Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came
out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According
Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint sealed is MS not M(S).
Hugh
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From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM
To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Aaargh... yes, that always makes me
maj 2004 17:27
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint sealed is MS not M(S).
Hugh
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From: Alexander Zöller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM
To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED
that has settled into
the wrap, age discoloration, etc.).
Alexander
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From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --
Mint sealed
.
For example, you could put NM (S) or F (S).
Hugh
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From: Per-Olof Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:44 AM
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I respectfully disagree. ;)
Sealed is a flag, much like IM, MMC and so
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Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the
wrap is in flawless condition?
For me M(S) means the box is perfect and shrinked, while it
does leave some variability
that keeps it from being MS.
For example, you could put NM (S) or F (S).
Hugh
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From: Per-Olof Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:44 AM
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Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
I respectfully disagree. ;)
Sealed is a flag
, that is.
And Jim, once opened, it can no longer be mint. No question about that.
Alexander
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From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
Well, you can certainly disagree
BL wrote:
Oh no, not the M/S conversation again.. hehe, I've learned to just drop this
one - yes, there's an anomoly in the scale, and no it won't be corrected. :)
Mint means as it comes from the factory. I don't think this fact is
in dispute. Since coming from the factory also means factory
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Right. So would you agree that both box and wrap need to be immaculate to
score a MS rating? IMO the MobyScale doesn't imply this though: No
noticable defects *and* sealed in original factory or store shrinkwrap or
sticker.
You are correct. Not immaculate, just still
Mint is only possible with S? My old arguement
was that M
should be a grade alone, while S a modifier; applyable to any grade.
Brad
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From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:18 PM
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BL wrote
Great, we seem to be in agreement on most issues ;)
You are not wrong. Wrap, of any binding nature, implies that the
contents of the box are complete and intact. If you have wrap but it is
not binding (ie falling off and you can open the box around it) then it
can't be considered MS because
To me, "mint" means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging or media.
In fact, I'd argue that a shrinked game can't be verified as "mint" because you can't inspect the contents without breaking the shrinkwrap, and hence can't know whether (for example) the slider on one of the disk
BL wrote:
Jim, we've been over this a few times before.
Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wrap off one, then rip the wrap
off the other a year later - the first one's box is still in Near Mint,
while
you are telling me that the one I just ripped the wrap off is should be
considered the
.
Alexander
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From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Jim, we've been over this a few times before.
Say I have 2 wrapped boxes, and rip the wrap off one, then rip the wrap
off the other a year
Like I said; I gave up on this - there's an anomoly with the scale, and it's
not going to change ;)
Brad
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From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 2:01 PM
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BL wrote:
Jim, we've been over
Alexander Zöller wrote:
I presume you are saying VG (S) is also wrong because as per
the scale, the game would grade MS regardless of how dirty the wrap is,
No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few
defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap.
Peter Olafson wrote:
To me, mint means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging or
media.
That has been a traditional definition in many hobbies, yes. However,
most examples of that usage in other hobbies were for hobbies for which
there was no shrinkwrap. In numismatics (coin
Jim Leonard wrote:
No, that is not what I am saying. VG (S) means a box that has a few
defects (usually crushing, a dent, etc.) but still has the shrinkwrap.
[and]
Well, G (S) to describe the WRAP would be incorrect usage of the Scale.
Acknowledged. No downgrading of a game when only the
Holger Bachert wrote:
In my opinion the whole shrinkwrap issue is way overrated - especially
when every dodo can reshrink whatever he wants (and that happens all the
time).
just my 2 ct of course.
Very true. I'm only making a fuss about this because of what the actual
factory wrap means to
Holger Bachert wrote:
To me, mint means simply no blemishes or defects in the packaging
or media.
especially when
every dodo can reshrink whatever he wants (and that happens all the time).
Yes, which is why I am working (slowly) on a FAQ/web page of how to
determine what wrap is original and
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Good idea! I've never seen that usage before, but (wrap: G) makes
perfect sense and is valid. If you agree, I can add it to the FAQ
section of the MobyScale -- let me know.
That would be nice! It would really help for the few cases in which one may
want to also describe
Jim Leonard wrote:
Excellent. I've added it to the MobyScale, which now inches up to
revision 1.03. The full permanent location of the MobyScale, as always,
is http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale;.
Very many thanks. Back to more important topics we go ;-)
Alexander
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Jim Leonard wrote:
Excellent. I've added it to the MobyScale, which now inches up to
revision 1.03. The full permanent location of the MobyScale, as
always, is http://www.mobygames.com/info/MobyScale;.
Very many thanks. Back
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From: Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 10, 2004 12:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch
Alexander Zöller wrote:
Would MS indicate not only the box and contents, but also the wrap is in
flawless condition?
For me M(S) means the box is perfect and shrinked, while
That's been my exact gripe with the scale since the first day I discovered
it.
Brad
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From: Freddie Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
I still maintain the guide is confusing since you
In a message dated 05/10/2004 4:29:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe there is confusion over why the term Mint was chosen? Because
"mint condition" implies, in numismatics anyway, "freshly minted" or "in
the same condition as it was created in the mint". The pinnacle
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same quality of wrap that most
games
were shipped in (the softer, more pliable wrap). Take a hole punch
if I'm concerned about C.E.'s ratings.
Hugh
-Original Message-
From: Freddie Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 10, 2004 5:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch
Again .. I still disagree for the simple fact that a game can
re-shrinkwrapped and one can obtain the same
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