Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Guilty of the exact same thing. My friend was over one day and say Why don't you try walking around instead of just rebooting? Then I remember frantically searching FOR the whirlpool not long afterwards. Ultima III is on the top 5 games I want to replay. On Jan 22, 2004, at 1:08 AM, Jim Leonard wrote: Edward Franks wrote: I can remember playing Ultima III and trying to beat the disk drive if my party died. It was a bad habit to get into though.I used to restart the game when a whirlpool nailed my ship God, yes!! Those were the days -- days when you were actually faster than your computer. I remember frantically ripping the disk out too. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
In a message dated 01/22/2004 12:21:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God, yes!! Those were the days -- days when you were actually faster than your computer. I remember frantically ripping the disk out too. Yeah but you had to be careful. If it started to write the disk could be corrupted and you lose it all. I would usually make a copy of my save disk (with Wizardry it was autosave so VERY important) so I would be protected if my disk was ruined by a "pull" Tom Visit my web page for many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. Drash, Tom's Ultima, Infocom and RPG page
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah but you had to be careful. If it started to write the disk could be corrupted and you lose it all. I would usually make a copy of my save disk (with Wizardry it was autosave so VERY important) so I would be protected if my disk was ruined by a pull Yes, but I was *very* fast and this never happened to me. And, to clarify, I never actually went through the trouble of pulling the disk out -- I just flipped open the drive door, which is quicker if you have no intention of pulling the disk out :) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
On Jan 20, 2004, at 11:19 PM, Lee K. Seitz wrote: [Snip] I have yet to make serious use of my CD-R drive, sad to say. (However, I actually went through all my unlabeled 3.5 disks the other day and made some quick notes on most of them as to what they had on them. Now I just gotta doe the 5.25 ones. So I that might change soon.) Which CD-Rs are high quality and which are best avoided? And does it really matter that much? I used to buy Kodak's Gold Ultima ;-) CD-Rs. They had the best life span of any of the then existing CD-Rs. I seem to remember they were actual archival quality. These days I just buy a name brand (right now I'm using Fujifilm CD-Rs and DVD-Rs with good luck). You might also check out want media brands your CD-R drive recommends, if any. I use Plextor for my drives and they have lists of recommend and compatible media that have been factory tested. In some cases they've updated the drive firmware to handle that particular brand. No name generics have spotty quality. I've seen some fail in less than a year. That said, even CD-Rs won't last as long as the factory press CD-ROMs games come on these days. Multiple duplicate backups and periodic testing of the backup is still a good idea. It's just incredible handy to stuff gobs of 5.25 or 3.5 inch backups on a CD-R or DVD-R. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Edward Franks stated: You might also check out want media brands your CD-R drive recommends, if any. Good idea. No name generics have spotty quality. I've seen some fail in less than a year. That said, even CD-Rs won't last as long as the factory press CD-ROMs games come on these days. Multiple duplicate backups and periodic testing of the backup is still a good idea. So has anyone written a batch file to automatically navigate a file directory tree and test the ZIP files? Most of what I want to get off floppies are shareware games I downloaded in my BBS days. To think I used to pick and choose which files to put on what disk for maximum use of the disks. It was the transition from 5.25 to 3.5, so I even chose the format closest to the size of the file(s). Now I'll probably take all that stuff, put it on a CD-R and not even fill half of it up. It's just incredible handy to stuff gobs of 5.25 or 3.5 inch backups on a CD-R or DVD-R. Amen, brother! That's my goal. I've got a ton of disks to back up and get rid of so I can reclaim a little bit of space. -- Lee K. Seitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Lee K. Seitz wrote: It's just incredible handy to stuff gobs of 5.25 or 3.5 inch backups on a CD-R or DVD-R. Amen, brother! That's my goal. I've got a ton of disks to back up and get rid of so I can reclaim a little bit of space. It's even handier to back up 6+ CDs onto a single DVD-R. DVD+/DVD-R burners, even dual-format ones, are under $100. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Seriously, I do seem to remember there was a difference between the CD version and the floppy version. Though given RTZ's lack of appeal I would agree that the floppy version is of interest to collectors and RTZ fanatics. Which is a bit of a shame. I liked the way they did the user interface. You had actual choices in what you did. I like that even if it did lead to the infamous bonding plant puzzle. A lot of people didn't realize that this wasn't an unsolveable state: If you eat or burn the plant, then go back to the very beginning (which you need to do anyway) you can get another. And yeah, now that you mention it, I remember there were some subtle differences between the disk and CD verisons. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
To me, games in 5.25 floppies are more valuable than their 3.5 counterparts. Why? The extra sleeves. Some games have really nice sleeves on their 5.25 games. The Softworld edition of the Origin (Ultima/Wing Commander) games spring to mind -- Pedro R. Quaresma Salvador Caetano IMVT Div. Sistemas de Informação / Systems and Information Division Administração e Desenvolvimento Lotus Notes / Lotus Notes Administration and Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] // +351 22 7867000 (ext. 3492) Toyota Prius '01, Aqua Ice Opalescent, 37K km., Esperanza 'People don't quit playing because they grow old. They grow old because they quit playing.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/C: Ref: cc: (bcc: Pedro Quaresma/SCAETANO) Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 35s Jim Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20-01-2004 21:29 Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Feldhamer, Stuart wrote: The value of a 5.25 set is considerably less than 3.5s. .to HIM, because he only wanted to play the game. Not to collectors. Read on: What is the opinion of the people on this list regarding a game that came in two versions: one on 5.25 inch disks and one on 3.5 inch disks? Are the 3.5 inch disks more valuable? Given *equal distributions of both*, there is NO difference in terms of collectability. If 50,000 units of 3.5 packages and 50,000 units of 5.25 packages were made during a production run, neither is worth more. Now, this isn't to say that some 3.5 versions and/or some 5.25 versions (or even CDROM versions) of games aren't rarer than other versions. There are definitely some cases where certain factors, like customer demand, manufacturing issues, etc. produced much more of a certain version than another, and you could make an argument that such cases produce a package that is more rare than the other. For example: - The CDROM version of Return to Zork was produced in greater numbers than the floppy-disk version, so theoretically the diskette version is worth more. - Although I can't remember specifically which Sierra game it was, one of the 5.25 floppy-disk versions of one of Sierra's later SCI games (I *think* it was King's Quest V but it might have been LSL3) had the most bizarre distinction of having mixed 5.25 media -- both low density and high density media were in the package. Meaning, the start/install disk was low density (360K) and the data disks were high density (1.2MB). Again, my memory is failing me, but this package is in my collection and I'll try to find it to verify (does anyone remember?). Such an odd distribution is worth more than the plain 3.5 distro. - Some Tandy versions of software were slightly altered and distributed by Tandy for their mid-to-late Tandy machines (RX/SX and TL/RL/SL series) which only had 3.5 drives standard. These releases are the only 3.5 releases and should be considered worth a bit more. Arctic Fox is one such example: Not only is it the only 3.5 release of the game, but it is also notable in that it supports an additional 16-color Tandy mode not present in the regular EA folder release (Tandy release is also an EA folder but with a Tandy 1000 sticker on it). I'm sure others on the list can come up with some additional examples. But, to answer your question in a generic sense: No, there is no major difference between 3.5 and 5.25 as to what is worth more. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project: http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings:http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ToyotaShopping - A sua Loja Toyota Online http://www.toyota.pt
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
On Jan 20, 2004, at 10:31 PM, Jim Leonard wrote: [Snip] Or am I the only one who executed a round of attacks in an RPG and sat with baited breath while the disk drive paused, whirred, taunting me with the result until finally the results were printed? I can remember playing Ultima III and trying to beat the disk drive if my party died. It was a bad habit to get into though.I used to restart the game when a whirlpool nailed my ship I agree that playing on the original equipment is the most fun. No emulator matches hearing the disk drives do their start up pattern on an Apple II. I also have a Mockingboard in mine so I can hear the music. Hmm. I was just about to whine ;-) that only ApplePC supported the Mockingboard, but a quick google and I see a couple of new emulators say they support it. I'll have to try them out. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Yep, I found him right away. His eBay ID too. LMK if you want him on my jerk-list, he definitely qualifies. B-} - Original Message - From: Feldhamer, Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Actually, I realized that I accidentally already gave out enough info to figure out who I'm talking about. The person is a fairly high profile trader on gametz, but he deals mostly in CD-ROM games. The game in question was (don't cringe, C.E.) Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
- The CDROM version of Return to Zork was produced in greater numbers than the floppy-disk version, so theoretically the diskette version is worth more. Rarer, but not necessarily worth more, except maybe to a few collectors or RTZ fanatics. Who wants to actually play the floppy version, installing from 12 disks? I'm sure others on the list can come up with some additional examples. But, to answer your question in a generic sense: No, there is no major difference between 3.5 and 5.25 as to what is worth more. I personally list 'em for the same price in the Shoppe, since I'll provide 3.5 copies to anyone who buys a 5.25 and can't play it. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
I refuse to accept responsibility for this decision. : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Yep, I found him right away. His eBay ID too. LMK if you want him on my jerk-list, he definitely qualifies. B-} - Original Message - From: Feldhamer, Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Actually, I realized that I accidentally already gave out enough info to figure out who I'm talking about. The person is a fairly high profile trader on gametz, but he deals mostly in CD-ROM games. The game in question was (don't cringe, C.E.) Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Then you leave it in my capable hands. B-) - Original Message - From: Stuart Feldhamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s I refuse to accept responsibility for this decision. : ) Stuart -Original Message- From: C.E. Forman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Yep, I found him right away. His eBay ID too. LMK if you want him on my jerk-list, he definitely qualifies. B-} - Original Message - From: Feldhamer, Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Actually, I realized that I accidentally already gave out enough info to figure out who I'm talking about. The person is a fairly high profile trader on gametz, but he deals mostly in CD-ROM games. The game in question was (don't cringe, C.E.) Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
On Jan 21, 2004, at 5:24 PM, C.E. Forman wrote: - The CDROM version of Return to Zork was produced in greater numbers than the floppy-disk version, so theoretically the diskette version is worth more. Rarer, but not necessarily worth more, except maybe to a few collectors or RTZ fanatics. Who wants to actually play the floppy version, installing from 12 disks? P'shah. A measly 12 disks? Why that's nothing after SysGenning Netware 2.15. :-D Seriously, I do seem to remember there was a difference between the CD version and the floppy version. Though given RTZ's lack of appeal I would agree that the floppy version is of interest to collectors and RTZ fanatics. Which is a bit of a shame. I liked the way they did the user interface. You had actual choices in what you did. I like that even if it did lead to the infamous bonding plant puzzle. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Edward Franks wrote: I can remember playing Ultima III and trying to beat the disk drive if my party died. It was a bad habit to get into though.I used to restart the game when a whirlpool nailed my ship God, yes!! Those were the days -- days when you were actually faster than your computer. I remember frantically ripping the disk out too. -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
As, poeple have already mentioned, 3.5 may be more useful, but it's obvious that 5.25 is more valuable. Look at the games that sell for the most on eBay (we're talking $500 - $2000 range). They're all 5.25 or cassette. Ask the guy if he has a cassette drive :-). Hugh -Original Message- From: Feldhamer, Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 20, 2004 1:26 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s What do you all think of this: I made a trade with someone on the game trading zone for a particular game. I won't tell you which one so you won't try to figure out who it was. Anyway, I described the condition of the game I was sending in some detail. We made the trade, and then noticed that the person had left me negative feedback. The comment was something to the effect of fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me!. I emailed the person the following: I just saw your rating of me on the gametz. I didn't realize that you were unhappy with our trade. What exactly is/was the problem? They responded: What would I possibly want with 5.25s. You went into great detail describing the condition but never informed me that the disks were 5.25s. I have nothing to play this game on or to copy it to. The value of a 5.25 set is considerably less than 3.5s. To your credit though I do appreciate your response. I then responded: I certainly was not trying to deceive you, and I disagree with you on your estimation of the value. If you want to play the game and don't have a 5.25 inch drive I'm sure you know that you can download it off the 'net. If you had asked I certainly would have told you, but to tell you the truth, the disk size did not even occur to me. My personal copy also has 5.25 inch disks, as do many of the other games in my collection. If I only collected 3.5 inch disks and CDs, I would miss out on many great games. That being the case, if you were not satisfied, I don't understand why you didn't email me and let me know instead of posting a cryptic message to gametz. Is this the first time you think I've fooled you, or the second? I got no response. Did I do something wrong here? More generally, what is the opinion of the people on this list regarding a game that came in two versions: one on 5.25 inch disks and one on 3.5 inch disks? Are the 3.5 inch disks more valuable? Stuart Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
I recently built a new machine and attempted to get an old dual drive like this working but couldn't :-( Light was constantly on, like the cable was bad. I'll try again. That does sound like a bad cable, or even a good cable turned 180 degrees. - Peo -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Actually, I realized that I accidentally already gave out enough info to figure out who I'm talking about. The person is a fairly high profile trader on gametz, but he deals mostly in CD-ROM games. The game in question was (don't cringe, C.E.) Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2. Stuart -Original Message- From: Jim Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s Lee K. Seitz wrote: I would hope anyone interested in vintage games would be knowledgable enough about the item(s) they want to know what format(s) it was available on and ask if they knew it came on more than one. It was very rude for them to give you negative feedback without e-mailing you first. Agreed. If I promise not to look up who the person was, can I ask just what title it was that you traded to him? If it was made at any point before 1986, the dude was just clueless to think it came on 3.5... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) World's largest electronic gaming project:http://www.MobyGames.com/ A delicious slice of the demoscene:http://www.MindCandyDVD.com/ Various oldskool PC rants and ramblings: http://www.oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Information in this message reflects current market conditions and is subject to change without notice. It is believed to be reliable, but is not guaranteed for accuracy or completeness. Details provided do not supersede your normal trade confirmations or statements. Any product is subject to prior sale. CIBC World Markets Corp, its affiliated companies, and their officers or employees, may have a position in or make a market in any security described above, and may act as an investment banker or advisor to such. Although CIBC World Markets Corp. is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), it is solely responsible for its contractual obligations. Any securities products recommended, purchased, or sold in any client accounts (i) will not be insured by the FDIC, (ii)will not be deposits or obligations of CIBC, (iii) will not be endorsed or guaranteed by CIBC, and (iv) will be subject to risks, including possible loss of principal invested. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
On Jan 20, 2004, at 2:48 PM, Lee K. Seitz wrote: [Snip] On this list or in the general population? 8) I think you'll find most of this list has some older hardware tucked away for just such occasions. I was mainly thinking of the average gamer. For people like us I take it as a given we have multiple machines. However, you have me wondering now if my current computer supports a B: drive. I wanted to move my 5.25/3.5 combo drive (footnote) to my new computer, but both 5.25 bays are filled (one CD-R, one DVD-ROM), so I never tried it. I've got one of those Gateway combo drives. I never could get it to work after I got rid of my P5-90 (o, Pentium power). I'm curious, though. How many people here with older hardware keep it set up all the time, network it with their current systems, and/or use KVM switches to reduce the clutter? I keep a platinum Apple //e setup all the time. I also have my main gaming PC and my retro gaming PC (DOS 6.22/Win98SE dual boot, 3dfx Voodoo2 with a whopping 12 MB RAM :-D) on a KVM switch. Both are networked to make it easier to transfer files or snag the MS security update de jour. -- Edward Franks -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Edward Franks wrote: Who needs mo'slo when you can play Ultima 2 in all its CGA glory? ;-) You know, this brings up something that I've always maintained: No matter how convenient an emulator is, or how much it enhances or speeds up a game (ie making the game more 'snappy' because there are no floppy accesses), I still feel that nothing beats the total old gaming experience than on an old PC. The games are old; they were written for old hardware; they should be experienced there at least once. Seriously: One week every two years, I drag out the old IBM 5150 (or PCjr) and play an old game from start to finish. I try to do so in a medium-lit room (not too bright), in a quiet environment, preferably a basement ;) with all original hardware (no clone monitors or keyboards) and a six-pack of Pepsi. You can really lose yourself in the game's story and mechanics (which is completely intentional because you surely didn't do it via sound and graphics). It is in your own head that the best pictures are drawn. Or am I the only one who executed a round of attacks in an RPG and sat with baited breath while the disk drive paused, whirred, taunting me with the result until finally the results were printed? Sorry to get all nostalgic like that. Time to snap back into reality and pay the bills... -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Howard Feldman wrote: So I can still use it as a 5.25 drive, or a 3.5 drive, just not both at the same time. I must open the computer and switch jumpers to get it to work! So in summary, watch out before buying Asus Motherboards!!! (Can anyone list decent contemporary M/B manufacturers whose BIOS DO support 2 floppy drives?? Gigabyte? Abit? Intel?) Most still do, I think. I just bought an EPoX 8KRA2+, Athlon XP 2500+ CPU, and 512 MB Kingston RAM for $250 and that combo supports two drives. Frankly I was surprised to hear that it wasn't an option -- it's like, what, 4 bytes in the interrupt table? (The EPoX is running beautifully, BTW. I've had 0 compatibility issues, which was why I upgraded. I previous had an old KT133-based board, back when the Athlon 1GHz came out 3.5 years ago, and I never once got all my hardware working at the same time.) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [SWCollect] 5.25s vs. 3.5s
Dan Chisarick wrote: At the hight of my media conversion insanity, I had everything on a 4-port KVM. Now all the old machines are on their own network. I used a P-90 running Windows 98 w/a 5.25 Gateway drive that I sold and later asked for it back (they weren't using it). I also have a CPS Option Board, but not an ancient machine w/360k drives to make it happy. There was an upgrade for 1.2MB drives I think. Jim? Later software upgrades supported 1.2MB disks, but not copy-protection. Meaning, very simple oddities like less/more tracks per sector, or odd sector sizes, were copyable -- but something wacko like missing indexes or goofy-long GAP sequences were not. It was added primarily to address the requests of customers who wanted to dupe 1.2MB floppies in one pass, without swapping, and at 2x or faster speeds (the Central Point Option Board writes and verifies disks at least twice as fast as a regular floppy controller). I believe any TransCopy version 5.x will do this (use the TCM binary, not the TC binary). As an aside, I use Disk Factory to image my PC games. Doesn't seem to like newer, faster machines or Windows XP. Anyone have a preferred PC archive tool that actually works w/modern hardware? (I remember talking about my Apple imaging tools, but not PC...) I use only Option Boards for protected disks. While I use different versions for different protections when DUPLICATING disks, I use only TransCopy v5.4 images for ARCHIVAL. This is because 5.4, while dumbed down to not copy as many formats as earlier versions, is the most stable. (BTW, word of warning, each TransCopy version will only read image files created by that version.) -- Jim Leonard ([EMAIL PROTECTED])http://www.oldskool.org/ Want to help an ambitious games project? http://www.mobygames.com/ Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
