Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread osm.tagging
I agree that the priorities need to be codified (for the standard style), but this remains unchanged, no matter if the boundaries are rendered by polygon or by way. Also, this is not something that should be decided or controlled by the mapper/data. The map database just collects all the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread André Pirard
Hi all, Please all, take a very attentive look at this. Please note the subject change: unnecessary. Please note the disambiguation boundary vs borderline. The problem with admin_level tags is that numbers need to exist to *be **able* to nest boundaries and hence that only administrative

Re: [Tagging] Different postal codes in each side of the street

2018-03-10 Thread Fernando Trebien
Thank you everyone for your attentive answers. From your information and some detailed testing, I think that for Brazil it is best to use boundary=postal_code for the vast majority of municipalities with small population, with addr:postcode for a few elements with exceptional postal codes. It

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Jo
I added many borders in Uganda a few years ago, they are gray in your rendering. Should I go and put admin_level tags on them now? For the highest or the lowest admin_level they are part of? Or a semicolon separated list...? Seems like a step backward to me, but I guess, whatever works.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 10.03.2018 09:36, Simon Poole wrote: I would have to second this observation, this would seem to go exactly against what we've tried to fix with multi-polygons (not to mention a future area object type). Not to mention that a single way can be a member of multiple different borders at

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread osm.tagging
Also, I don't understand why the information would need to be manually tagged on the ways at all. Duplicating derivable information in a database seems like a very stupid move to me. All the required information is there already. If some part of the process wants to go on information attached

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Colin Smale
Matthijs, This goes against the principle of tagging the relation, not the members. An admin area is syntactically analogous to a multipolygon and it would be a shame to introduce yet another polygon tagging paradigm. What are you thinking for other types of boundaries? boundary=political,

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Simon Poole
I would have to second this observation, this would seem to go exactly against what we've tried to fix with multi-polygons (not to mention a future area object type). Not to mention that a single way can be a member of multiple different borders at different admin levels, so this would seem to be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Walter Nordmann
Hi Jo, this IS a step backwards! please wait for the results of this discussion before changing anything. regards walter aka wambacher Am 10.03.2018 um 10:30 schrieb Jo: I added many borders in Uganda a few years ago, they are gray in your rendering. Should I go and put admin_level tags

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-03-10 11:31, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: >> There is nothing about the data that's desired on the ways that requires any >> sort of human decision making, it can all be automatically derived from >> information that's already available. One thing that should maybe be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 10 March 2018, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > [...] This has a number of advantages - > for example, it will make it possible to style maritime boundaries > differently. I have already strongly voiced by opinion on this in the style development discussion:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread osm.tagging
This sounds like an absolutely horrible idea to me that totally goes against the tagging paradigms that have been in effect so far. Also, as Simon pointed out, a single way can belong to multiple multipolys at the same time, each with different admin levels, or even ways that in itself

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-03-10 11:56, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > I agree that the priorities need to be codified (for the standard style), but > this remains unchanged, no matter if the boundaries are rendered by polygon > or by way. Sorry, you are right, I should have made that clear; I was

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Dave F
If Matthijs wishes to distinguish between boundaries at sea (a good idea, I believe) then a *unique* tag should be added to those ways. Duplicating data is not the way to indicate differences. How about boundary:administration=maritime (or something similar)? I've never understood why the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Walter Nordmann
Hi dave, Am 10.03.2018 um 18:04 schrieb Dave F: How about boundary:administration=maritime (or something similar)? about 97% of all 12010 maritim admin boundaries (boundaries not on any land area) have been tagged with maritime=yes.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 10 March 2018, Dave F wrote: > If Matthijs wishes to distinguish between boundaries at sea (a good > idea, I believe) then a *unique* tag should be added to those ways. Note independent of the subject of this thread the tag maritime=yes - which is what is proposed to be used for

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Dave F
Thanks to Yves for pointing out the maritime tag. I may be missing something, Christoph, but doesn't a combined search for admin_level=X & maritime=yes remove any misuse of the maritime tag & produced the required solution? DaveF On 10/03/2018 19:16, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Saturday 10

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Please all, take a very attentive look at this. > Please note the subject change: unnecessary. > Please note the disambiguation boundary vs borderline. > > The problem with admin_level tags is that numbers need to

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 10 March 2018, Dave F wrote: > > I may be missing something, Christoph, but doesn't a combined search > for admin_level=X & maritime=yes remove any misuse of the maritime > tag & produced the required solution? Looking for ways with boundary=administrative + admin_level=2 +

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-03-10 17:41, André Pirard wrote: > Hi all, > > Please all, take a very attentive look at this. > Please note the subject change: unnecessary. > Please note the disambiguation boundary vs borderline. > > The problem with admin_level tags is that numbers need to exist to BE ABLE to >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-03-10 17:41, André Pirard wrote: > * "ceremonial" Berkshire [1] that is not administrative, has no level and yet > contains administrative "councils" > Berkshire itself, however, is not a subarea of a higher level but it could > > * Relation Bracknell Forest (113682) [2] as subarea > *

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:41 AM, André Pirard wrote: > Hi all, > > Please all, take a very attentive look at this. > Please note the subject change: unnecessary. > Please note the disambiguation boundary vs borderline. > > The problem with admin_level tags is that

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: unnecessary admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread André Pirard
On 2018-03-11 00:37, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:41 AM, André Pirard > > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Please all, take a very attentive look at this. > Please note the subject change: unnecessary. >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 10 March 2018 at 01:51, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > OpenStreetMap Carto, the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org, is > considering to change the mechanism for rendering admin boundaries. > The proposed rendering of admin borders will be based on admin > boundary

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
What is the intended usage of admin_level=0 then? 11-03-2018 01:17 tarihinde Christoph Hormann yazdı: > On Saturday 10 March 2018, Dave F wrote: >> I may be missing something, Christoph, but doesn't a combined search >> for admin_level=X & maritime=yes remove any misuse of the maritime >> tag &