Re: [Tagging] part_of:wikidata key

I should have known I was opening a gigantic can of worms here... Anyway, I like relations as much as the next guy, probably more so. I've been editing and correcting thousands upon thousands of them. One hing I can tell you: they are fragile. It wouldn't hurt to have some redundancy and wikidata

[Tagging] part_of:wikidata key

Hi, I would like to propose a new key: part_of:wikidata The wikidata key itself should only occur on a single OSM object. When trying to add it to linear features, this poses a problem, as it's possible to split such features. Grouping objects in associatedStreet and river relations (and addin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

I, for one, prefer to have the platform node/way and its corresponding stop_position in 1 stop_area relation per direction of travel or per platform (in bus stations). I don't mind adding the shelter, waste_basket, bench, ticket_vending_device, announcement_board to such a relation. Then these st

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Street_furniture

Hi José, I see you mention Google imagery. Please don't jeopardize the project by using that. We have permission to use Bing, Mapbox, DigitalGlobe, Esri. They are all accessible in a convenient way in JOSM. For horizontal streetview imagery we have Mapillary and OpenStreetCam. Jo 2017-10

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Validity of Route Relations

Maybe recheck_itinerary_route_by would be a better tag. Then it can also be used when route relations are changed for roadworks that take more than say, a month and that cause changes in itinerary. Polyglot 2017-10-14 2:00 GMT+02:00 Andrew Davidson : > > > On 14/10/17 09:29,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Validity of Route Relations

We don't have a scheme to tag the timetables and it would be quite hard to come up with one, involving many relations we don't want to maintain. Better to leave that part to GTFS. So the proposal is about the routes/itineraries that change, stops that aren't served anymore or new stops added to th

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Fixing wiki* -> brand:wiki*

I like brand brand:wikidata brand:wikipedia When sorted alphabetically it's easy to compare them visually that way. Same goes for name name:etymology:wikidata and the others. Polyglot 2017-10-02 10:41 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > Hi folks, > > One question: why brand:wikipedia and not wikipedi

Re: [Tagging] Elevation in Feet as part of Peak Names

ele can of course be in feett or lightyears for that matter, but it's a lot easier to work with if they are all in the same unit. 2017-09-08 0:22 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 08-Sep-17 07:39 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > >> On 09/07/2017 04:31 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: >> >>> User R

Re: [Tagging] Toll road sections

I would use the following: toll=no toll:hgv=yes toll_ref:HU:edid=123456 That's the easiest to query for later on. You can add contents to existing wiki pages. Polyglot 2017-08-28 16:35 GMT+02:00 Dömötör Ákos : > Hi, > > I won't mess with the generic "toll" tag because some of the roads are >

Re: [Tagging] Produce tags for orchards

After reading the discussion, I also think using produce is a sound choice for such preset. Polyglot 2017-07-30 11:31 GMT+02:00 Tobias Zwick : > >> - Farmland grows plants that are harvested as a whole (i.e. with > >> tractors), thus the actual crop can change during the years and > >> even

Re: [Tagging] Bus relation - circular route - report says not closed

take care of it, when coding for GSoC starts. Regarding the settings, Open JOSM, press F12, switch on expert mode in the lower left, go to the Setting Preferences Entries directly pane and search for 'add', set "message_add_primitve_to_relation" to false". I hope that

Re: [Tagging] Bus relation - circular route - report says not closed

Hi Warin, I created a screencast on how I reworked the route relation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xY966xwEH0 It's a bit clumsy :-) I should have downloaded more data around the stops. Then I would have noticed the nodes with highway=bus_stop. What I wanted to show is that the PT_Assistant

Re: [Tagging] route_master -> superroute -> route (rail question 3)

I would love it if we can map PT routes that way, some day. Jo Op 16 mei 2017 1:05 p.m. schreef "Bjoern Hassler" : > Hello all, > > In my attempts to sort out some of the London Underground, here's rail > question 3, which is: Is my understanding of route_master ->

Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

n Air. Which CEST evening would suit most people around here? On Tuesdays I have time starting at 20h, On Fridays it could be earlier. Saturday or Sunday evening are fine with me as well. Polyglot 2017-05-14 14:18 GMT+02:00 Aun Johnsen : > Jo > > Thanks for the clarification, yeah I know th

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Coding on the new functionality will only start in June, but this is the second year the plugin is being developed. Jo 2017-05-13 17:15 GMT+02:00 Tijmen Stam : > On 12-05-17 23:44, Jo wrote: > >> I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and >> thei

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and their variations) than train route relations to be mapped. If we insist that it has to be: stop_position platform so double tagging, I think I'll abandon and I'll understand that most people will never start mapping public tra

Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Aun, JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really add information, I'd say it's fine to omit it. Here are some examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history https://www.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

My preference is to make the platform part of the route. A node tagged public_transport=platform railway=stop /highway=bus_stop (so they render on carto) name= ref= This works particularly well for bus, tram, metro. It doesn't work all too well for trains, as they often arrive at different platf

Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, I would definitely be interested in such a mapathon! We could meet virtually on a channel like this one: https://meet.jit.si/osmbe Polyglot 2017-05-12 17:49 GMT+02:00 Bjoern Hassler : > Hi Michael, hi all, > > Valid PTv2 route relations are ordered, i.e. the platform which follows >

Re: [Tagging] Cattle bathroom

would man_made=livestock_dip be clearer? and customers, not costumers :-) Are there mobile versions too? Maybe it's better to use: catlle=yes sheep=yes horse=yes like for veterinarians I guess this page still needs translation to English: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tiere The best

[Tagging] cigarette waste disposal tile

Hi, In Flanders (Belgium) a new kind of waste disposal appeared; a pavement tile that functions like an ash tray in places where smokers gather and produce litter that stays in the environment for a very long time, when carelessly thrown away. So, of course I wondered; how are we going to map the

Re: [Tagging] Language information for name=*

name:iso=fr;nl for Brussels? Polyglot 2017-04-23 20:00 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis : > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Lukas Sommer wrote: > > cannot reliably determine the language of the name value. It would > > also not work for double-language names like “Bruxelles - Brussel” > > where none of th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping pubs as full areas

I would tag the building as what it is: house, hut, commercial, appartments or simply yes. Some of the buildings on the premises might be garages or sheds. Jo 2017-04-22 23:33 GMT+02:00 Dave F : > Hi > > It's been pointed out to me the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ >

Re: [Tagging] historic=tank and surprises with tags like car-sharing

We have very little control of how things will get rendered. So either you render yourself, or you use a service like umap.openstreetmap.fr I'm still tagging bus_stops as highway=bus_stop, even though they are not highways and I'm not mapping them as a node of a highway. I stopped complaining abo

Re: [Tagging] railway=level_crossing with in-street trams?

OK, then we'll take all of them away in Brussels, where I did this extensively. The problem is that OsmAnd is constantly warning for railway crossings now, so that is annoying. Any suggestions for a tag? Or leave those crossings untagged? It's quite obvious from the geometry there is a crossing an

Re: [Tagging] Positioning motorway exits

Extra credit if we can come up with a 'universal' solution :-) Polyglot 2017-03-07 10:44 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > This touches on a "conflict of interest" between two requirements: > (1) OSM tagging practice is to map only physically separated ways as > separate ways in OSM. > (2) A routing

Re: [Tagging] EuroVelo tagging

It ought to be possible to use hierarchy in those relations. That way you would map them at the national level and group them for the international level. Same for that route that is mtb/hiking/horse. 1 route containing the ways, then reuse for the other 2. At the moment I would tag that one with

Re: [Tagging] ref:forward and ref:backward?

many roundabouts and one-way streets in agglomerations (at > least here in Italy), I now tend to suggest the two-relations approach. Off > course, the two approaches can coexist. > > On 12 January 2017 at 15:55, Jo wrote: > >> The 2 or more relations for each variation is the way

Re: [Tagging] ref:forward and ref:backward?

The 2 or more relations for each variation is the way to go for Public Transport routes. Walking and bicycle routes use the forward and backward roles to describe both directions in one route relation. Polyglot 2017-01-12 15:01 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2017-01-12 6:40 GMT+01:00 : > >>

Re: [Tagging] stop area hierarchy

n creating them. Same goes for the stop_area nodes on the ways. Usually which highway is used can be determined using 'proximity search', even when only nodes of the ways can be searched for (only nodes have coordinates in OSM). Jo 2016-11-16 15:23 GMT+01:00 Michael Tsang : > On Tues

Re: [Tagging] stop area hierarchy

orms and 2 stop_postiions in one stop_area is no help in that case. And if it can be resolved by means of proximity, then the stop_area wasn't needed for that purpose. Polyglot 2016-11-15 19:50 GMT+01:00 Tijmen Stam : > On 15-11-16 18:26, Jo wrote: > >> I tend to ignore those validator m

Re: [Tagging] stop area hierarchy

I tend to ignore those validator messages from JOSM. We could invent stop_area_group, but then we would simply get different warnings. When I make stop_area relations, I include everything that belongs together for one side of the road or that belongs to 1 platform in a bus station. Then I group

Re: [Tagging] mapping default values? (was: Maximum snelheid in Vlaanderen, maxspeed in Flanders)

We now have 1 country with 2 differing default values, depending on the region you happen to be in. A bit annoying. We'll probably need to tag all of them explicitely with maxspeed values. OTOH, we were already doing that anyway. Polyglot 2016-10-05 11:00 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2016

Re: [Tagging] Public transport routes with multiple reference numbers

Maybe we need a way to tag a relation to indicate it's related to another relation. Or a superrelation containing both route segments. Jo 2016-09-13 10:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Tsang : > On Tuesday 13 September 2016 09:32:19 Jo wrote: > > As far as I'm concerned these are 2 separ

Re: [Tagging] Public transport routes with multiple reference numbers

As far as I'm concerned these are 2 separate route relations. It doesn't really matter passengers can remain seated. When something changes like the ref number it's a different route for the organisers. I would expect it's also shown differently on schedules. Jo 2016-09-13 8:

Re: [Tagging] Minibus routes

extending stop_position to way would make the whole concept of stop_position meaningless. Very soon all ways woud be tagged stop_position Just tag the route relation in some way, or use roles to indicate which ways the minibus would stop anywhere. Polyglot 2016-09-08 14:45 GMT+02:00 tomoya muram

Re: [Tagging] Minibus routes

on_demand is for a different kind of bus service. For those you have to call to the operator and tell from which stop you want to start and where you want to go. Then the bus travels from that stop to the other, sometimes picking up/dropping off other passengers, but without a fixed itinerary. Ha

Re: [Tagging] Minibus routes

Maybe we can have an extra tag on the route relation that the bus will stop on demand of the passengers and you only add the stops which have physical presence that are along the itinerary to the route relation. Jo 2016-09-08 3:30 GMT+02:00 Michael Tsang : > On Wednesday 07 September 2016 23

Re: [Tagging] bus route with reversing

; Le 02/09/2016 à 23:11, Svavar Kjarrval a écrit : > >> On fös 2.sep 2016 20:54, André Pirard wrote: >> >>> On 2016-09-02 22:20, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: >>> >>>> JOSM doesn't allow the user to add any repeats at all. Fortunately, it >>>>

Re: [Tagging] bus route with reversing

This is very odd, as there are definitely bus routes which serve the same stop more than once, so adding nodes more than once should be possible as well. Let me know if you need real life examples Jo 2016-09-02 22:54 GMT+02:00 André Pirard : > On 2016-09-02 22:20, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] bus route with reversing

The way I understand this, no explicit tagging is needed. You could have aBBc Where c is the service way of the terminal. Polyglot 2016-09-02 14:13 GMT+02:00 André Pirard : > On 2016-09-02 11:43, Michael Tsang wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am mapping bus routes in my city. There is a route where th

Re: [Tagging] Public transport routes with multiple reference numbers

I can only tell you how I would do it with the current scheme. If some day in a very distant future we'll have routes built up from segments, there might be a better way then. 2016-08-03 8:55 GMT+02:00 Michael Tsang : > Dear all, > > How should I fill in the ref=* tag for public transport routes

Re: [Tagging] bus networks in Hong Kong

In Belgium, operators work on a regional level. De Lijn in Flanders, TEC in Wallonia and MIVB/STIB in Brussels. There is some geographical overlap. The Brussels company drives to the airport, which is in Flanders and has expensive tickets to get you there. De Lijn and TEC also serve north and south

Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

ute > > Is version 2? > > *Regards,* > > *Hans* > > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Hans De Kryger < > hans.dekryge...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Jo, >> >> Is there agreement on the forward/backward roles in PT2? By that i mean >> compl

Re: [Tagging] Bus routes forward/backward

Hi Hans, The semantics depend on public_transport:version. If 1 then yes. If 2 there should be no forward/backward roles anymore. Instead you add an ordered sequence of ways that is continuous. If you want a demo of how to map PT, we can do a hangout. Also, have a look at this: http://www.open

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

: > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Jo wrote: > > > > And I know it's possible to deduce those village names from the > geometries, > > but we don't all have geodatabase functionality available all of the > time, > > to make that calculation over and over

Re: [Tagging] Additions to public_transport scheme

The reason why I propose to add the placename as part of the name, is that it gives a feedback about the correct order of the stops: http://overpass-api.de/api/sketch-line?network=DLVB&ref=5&operator= On the second line of that diagram, you can see: Haasrode Kerk Haasrode Kerkstraat Blanden Kerk

Re: [Tagging] Which access tag for school buses?

school_bus describes it best, I think, it's not a problem it's not used very often. It's relatively uncommon anyway. Jo 2016-04-26 11:51 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt : > I m looking for an access tag for school buses. > In the specific case I want to tag > "no access

Re: [Tagging] JOSM preset with strange tag values

That inertia of obsoleted legacy has everything to do with the fact we discourage mechanical edits. If somebody were to fix all those building=entrance to become entrance=main on nodes, their changesets would probably be reverted. So why even bother? It's more fun to map new stuff than to fix stuff

Re: [Tagging] Cycle cafes ... and Repair Cafés

Maybe we could start using repair=assisted_self_service for repair shops with repair:wood=yes repair:clothes=yes repair:furniture=yes repair:metal=yes repair:computers=yes repair:smartphones=service It seems odd that after all this time we still don't have a way to tag DIY repair shops. Most are

Re: [Tagging] Removing name_1 and alt_name_1 from Wiki

I agree too, FWIW. Polyglot 2016-01-09 23:25 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout : > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Marc Zoutendijk > wrote: > >> > I propose, to remove the tagging of name_1 and alt_name_1 from the wiki. >> > > Agree > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > T

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

If we can reach consensus on the use of traffic_sign_code, it would not be hard to perform a mechanical edit to move them over (and populate the traffic_sign) with human readable values. Such a script would not touch 'ambiguous' data, of course and leave that to humans. The tricky part is making

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

Also keep in mind there are 2 'oneway' signs. A blue one that can be round or rectangular and a round red one. 2015-10-27 23:05 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert : > Hi Mateusz, > > Am Mon, 26 Oct 2015 08:58:08 +0100 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > I recently started tagging traffic signs and I am surpri

Re: [Tagging] Cycle cafes

y gold-rush" - like the film genre. > > It will be super-easy to make a crap-ton of different tag values for the > same basic thing. > wikidata to the rescue? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Cycle cafes

It's an indoor playground which forms an integral part of the café. Could always be mapped as a node inside the building contour, I guess. Jo 2015-09-15 13:27 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2015-09-15 12:17 GMT+02:00 Jo : > >> What about an indoor playground in a caf

Re: [Tagging] Cycle cafes

What about an indoor playground in a café? I can think of an examplen in Aarschot, Belgium (Bekaf), but OK, neither the playground nor the cafe are going with a theme. The question is, what if they had and both themes were different? I would stick with playground:theme. It's nice and clear. The su

Re: [Tagging] Modelling the relation between a waterstream and one of its resurgence

I would say that we need a new type of relation for that. Jo 2015-09-09 17:25 GMT+02:00 David Marchal : > > map the underground stream if possible. > > As I don't know where the intake from the first stream is, I think I can't > map it this way. Besides, wouldn'

Re: [Tagging] Cycle route relations, networks and refs

A few years ago I spent a lot of time breaking up these kinds of relations in The Netherlands, after fixing the ones in Belgium. I can assure you it's indeed a lot of work. When numbered walking route relations came in vogue, I made sure they were mapped properly right from the start. I tackled a

Re: [Tagging] Rue réservée aux jeux - play street

Since this is only a temporary restriction, lasting 1 day in a whole year, or for a very few streets 4 weekend days during a holidays month, it hadn't occurred to me to try and map these. It's a bit like roadworks that don't go on for months. Polyglot 2015-08-12 19:16 GMT+02:00 André Pirard : >

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

In the same vein: way=0: no way! Better not to lose sleep over 3 letters. Jo > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

For me it stands for 1 or 2 persons standing there you can get directions from. All you need to do is ask. It might be unknown when they're there :-) Anyway, for all its flaws the tagging system mostly works, don't fix it if it isn't (completely) broken. Cheers, Jo 2015-06-05

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating wikipedia Tag

I wouldn't deprecate the wikipedia tags either. They give a human readable form of what is hopefully the same item on WD. I only hope that we won't stop at adding only the WP tags. Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do have name:etymology:wikidata So a usec

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

If I followed it correctly, also in the Netherlands all addresses are mapped on nodes, which they lined up diagonally inside the building contours, for buildings with more than 1 address. Since they have all the data out in the open, they could import it, of course, which means they now have a com

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

dvisory. >> >> > > Maxspeed does not imply 'limit' by name. > > Perhaps we should have > > maxspeed:advisory=* and > maxspeed:limit=* > > not by name, explicitely, but that's how we've been using it since the very beginning. It will be really ha

Re: [Tagging] Tag:natural=tree and taxon names

ing 3 keys like this makes pulling data out of the database a lot harder than it ought to be. Jo 2015-04-28 12:00 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > > > Am 28.04.2015 um 11:29 schrieb Andy Mabbett : > > > > Again; why do we need species=* and genus=* on that basi

[Tagging] model airplane "airfield"

Hi, Yesterday the Easter eggs were dropping from model airplanes. Of course I want to map where this happened and were this club has their "airfield". Any suggestions? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status "Approved" to "Published"

No, that is not sensible - it's a bit like the Hitchhiker's guide "you > could have read this if you had wanted to" thing. Except that we don't have a "Beware of the Leopard" sign. Maybe we should start a vote on how to tag those. Polyglot ___ Taggin

Re: [Tagging] Bus route relations. Forward/backward tag

Can you send links to the route relations? (Ctrl-Shft-h of Ctrl-Shift-i in JOSM, then copy/paste the url). That rendering with all the red lines is not the best way to represent PT. Jo 2015-03-04 12:55 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson : > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Éric Gillet >

Re: [Tagging] Breakdown bays?

ay, or the cycleway that becomes detached is not a problem, but indirect. Jo 2015-02-27 19:23 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > Bus bays like this? > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/287489422 > > > > > On 2015-02-27 18:38, Jo wrote: > > I can't help but keep hoping t

Re: [Tagging] Breakdown bays?

27;s not really mapping the feature itself, of course. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/288901664 For somebody who'd, for example, want to make statistics on the number of such bays, that's totally useless. I know. Jo 2015-02-27 18:00 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2

Re: [Tagging] Bus route relations. Forward/backward tag

broken. Or at least it's easier to notice that they are broken and where, as long as the ways are ordered. Jo 2015-02-16 18:58 GMT+01:00 Éric Gillet : > 2015-02-16 13:03 GMT+01:00 fly : > >> There are still cases where forward/backward are useful with P2-routes. >> E.g. a rou

Re: [Tagging] Bus route relations. Forward/backward tag

eady to be used.) Jo 2015-02-16 13:03 GMT+01:00 fly : > There are still cases where forward/backward are useful with P2-routes. > E.g. a route with a loop and some members used twice but different > directions. > > Personally, I still use forward/backward on any member of a rou

Re: [Tagging] Bus route relations. Forward/backward tag

describes the line and route relations describe each variation from beginning to end. This is how we do it in Belgium: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Polyglot/diary/28401 There are some links to Youtube videos included in that article. Jo 2015-02-16 5:52 GMT+01:00 Hans De Kryger : > Me

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

the UrbIS dataset. But that's a different model. Probably makes more sense in a GIS system. Jo 2015-02-09 18:56 GMT+01:00 Markus Lindholm : > On 9 February 2015 at 12:58, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > 2015-02-09 8:29 GMT+01:00 Markus Lindholm : > >> The road isn

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

I like to have those tram tracks as long as possible. So I tend to only split them for the switches, where the route relations need it, or where the combination with highway tags 'needs' it. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40283768/history 2015-02-09 9:13 GMT+01:00 Jo : > Hi Lu

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

rs to incorporate those tracks, even though we have them as open data from UrbIS. They have the rails though and we want to combine those rails into tracks. If you want to see high resolution imagery for Brussels, the AGIV(laanderen) is available in JOSM's list of WMS sources. Jo 2015-02-09 8

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

at we should also use a tag or two for saying that there is a >> tram track in a road. >> >> Sig >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2015-02-08 23:18 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : >> >>> 2015-02-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Jo : >>> >>>

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

is it one asphalt way with one track? Then I agree. Or is it one asphalt way with two tracks, one for each direction of the tram lines? Then I'd draw 3 ways, 2 for the tracks, and 1 for the highway. Jo 2015-02-08 21:35 GMT+01:00 Markus Lindholm : > On 8 February 2015 at 19:57, Jo wrot

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

le (on the straight parts) for the highway. An exception to that are dual carriageways, with the rails embedded, but usually the rails are between the carriageways in that case. Jo 2015-02-08 19:45 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > 2015-02-08 17:48 GMT+01:00 fly : > >> Actually, I us

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

That's how it was initially done in most places, before we started mapping those tracks in more detail, which became possible thanks to improved resolution of the aerial imagery (and in the case of Brussels, thanks to UrbIS opening the data) Jo 2015-02-07 4:02 GMT+01:00 James Mast : >

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

would make other stuff a lot harder. Jo 2015-02-07 0:31 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : > 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich : > >> >> We could also user a lanes modifier: >> lanes=3 >> lanes:backward=2 >> tram:lanes:backward=yes|no >> tram:forw

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

I think relation street applies to all the way segments of the whole street with the same name (if in the same municipality), but I didn't check to be honest. 2015-02-06 19:44 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich : > Many thanks Jo! > > Volker also suggests that I should see how things

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

makes sense? Jo 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich : > Hi all, > > first time I write to the list (after lurking for a while), so I introduce > myself. I am from Milano - Italy, I work for the municipality's agency for > environment and mobility, and we'we

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

mited list of wikidata Q-refs in the dedication:wikidata tag, for people who want to rely on only OSM data for statistics purposes. Jo 2015-01-29 13:24 GMT+01:00 Satoshi IIDA : > > +1 to use wikidata. > I had once thinking about same purpose. :) > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

Madre di > Dio" (holiest mother of God) > > My reply was of course kidding. That, in Simone's terms, the Vatican use a > popular language ;-) > The fact is that in French, we use no such words as "Blessed". > What about sacré-coeur? Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

> >> And "dedication" was proposed. > As one of the first comments in this thread. Then it was repeated when dedication:wikidata was mentioned. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

That's 3 'votes' for using wikidata for the purpose. use dedication:wikidata=Q... though, possibly together with dedication:lc= where lc is the 2 or 3 letter language code for the local language(s). Jo 2015-01-26 17:19 GMT+01:00 Thorsten Alge : > > On 2015-01-26 01:3

Re: [Tagging] patron saints

> If this tag is to be useful (assuming it is the sort of thing OSM > should record), maybe using Wikidata should be considered through an > additional tag such as dedication:wikidata=Q33923 for Saint Peter > > I also think we should add wikidata tags right a

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

this as > an excercise for other communities. > > I think that handling this in a local way is the right move. > > - Serge > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Jo wrote: > > > > > >> Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later and instead of &g

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

Sometimes I remove stuff by accident realize it later and instead of going > back just replace it, because I did more stuff in that time and don't want > to lose my work. > If you care about preserving the history of that object, you could do the following in JOSM: Create new layer Download data

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

ing about open data. You can work with it any way you like. By now, it should be clear you're not finding any support here for converting semicolon delimited lists to some more verbose format. The only consensus I see emerging is that we should avoid them where this is practica

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

Not me. Oh, that was a rethorical question. Polyglot 2015-01-24 1:07 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest : > > Le 22/01/2015 22:49, Johan C a écrit : > > Good to have this discussion. From a computer expert point-of-view > > relations are fantastic for data integrity and to keep database size >

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

It supports the 'java' flavour. It took me a while to figure out how to work with those ;-delimited strings, but once I found this regex worked for my purposes: route_ref="(^|.+;)26(;.+|$)" inview odbl=new I never looked back. As for Nikita's question about how to find an item which is not in the

Re: [Tagging] New version of the API in the making? WAS Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

hen the tools don't support it, it has the disadvantage that one can not visually check whether routes are continuous, but it should be feasible to resolve that. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of associatedStreet-relations

2015-01-23 21:53 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : > On 22/01/2015, Johan C wrote: > > From an OSM point-of-view, which includes being friendly towards novice > > users, relations should be avoided whenever possible. And > associatedStreet > > relations are avoidable. > > The counter-argument is that

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

Rattling on about those bus stops, I have an other example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/485938967 bus yes highway bus_stop

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

It's an actual example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/80725474 https://delijn.be/nl/haltes/halte/303059 (real time information) 121 characters... there's still some breathing room. I guess the risk of the street getting congested is higher than hitting the 255 characters

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

igure out whether an item is missing from the list. I'm sorry, but it's not because 7;8;10;11 are there that 9 necessarily is missing from the list. I deleted everything which was hidden under the three dots. Jo ___ Tagging mailing list Ta

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

The 'new' public transport scheme actually has 'binary' keys for bus, tram, train, etc. When you ask to have it rendered, one of the arguments for not doing so is that those extra fields are not imported in the DB specifically set up for rendering. It's considered too complicated, even though the

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

oading the data. Of course I have a MapCSS style which shows me the stops still having such a tag in a different way, so I could keep track of my progress. So not, it's not terribly hard to work with semi-colon separated lists. Cheers, Jo 2015-01-19 13:01 GMT+01:00 jgpacker : > >

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