Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Peter Elderson
visibly designed to start hiking or riding on one or more routes. Let’s talk additional and localised tagging after this basic step. Did I hear you menton “consensus”? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 14 jan. 2019 om 17:24 heeft Tobias Wrede het > volgende geschreven: > >> Am 11.01.2019 u

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Peter Elderson
I agree. I never meant to exclude any significant path to a trail, even if it’s ‘ just’ a path, it can of course be significant because it’s the only access point in miles, even if it has no official name, and that’s precisely why I keep saying it’s up to the mappers. Mvg Peter Elderson >

Re: [Tagging] Route maintenance tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Peter Elderson
This is great, thanks! It doesn't have to be a wikitable. I am already using it! Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 00:45 schreef Jan Macura : > > > (...) Next step: creating a webpage which lists (a selection of ) walking >> route relations sorted by survey:date

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-15 Thread Peter Elderson
At what size is it that a ditch turns into a drain? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 14:28 schreef Eugene Podshivalov : > The confusion is mainly in the difference between irrigation canals vs > irrigation ditches and drainage diches vs drains. > > In practice wid

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-15 Thread Peter Elderson
arily, and if there is a flow it can be either way. Bonne chance, mappers! Fr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 17:11 schreef Tod Fitch : > > On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 15:22, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> At what size is

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 15 jan. 2019 om 00:41 schreef Dave Swarthout : > Kevin said: > I'm therefore going to stick with 'designated or customary place to > begin or end a trip on a trail.' > > Me too. I've mapped many such trailheads in Alaska and almos

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
trailheads explicitly named Trailhead, so I assumed that these are called trailheads in at least one flavour of the English language. None of those are Dutch. I plan to add one Dutch example, as soon as I find out how to add a photo to the gallery. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 19:06

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
this moment, I see no basis for recommended further tagging, just the one basic node. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 20:25 schreef Jmapb : > On 1/16/2019 12:56 PM, EthnicFood IsGreat wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:28 PM Peter Elderson > >>

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
be mapped in the near future. -- Fr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 22:16 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 20:07, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> Your proposal looks good. I would vote "yes" on it.

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Most trailheads I have seen mapped have a name that contains the trail/track/route name. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:trailhead#Photos Fr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 16 jan. 2019 om 22:50 schreef Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > in my experience,

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Op 17 jan. 2019 om 01:14 heeft Kevin Kenny het volgende geschreven: > > I'd say, by all means you should map the name if the trailhead has a > specific name that refers to it. Putting the name of the trail, the > name of the park, or the name of a nearby geographic feature on the > trailhead nod

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-16 Thread Peter Elderson
Currently, 1188 trailheads have a name tag in OSM. A few hundred have no name tag. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op do 17 jan. 2019 om 01:35 schreef Peter Elderson : > Op 17 jan. 2019 om 01:14 heeft Kevin Kenny het > volgende geschreven: > > > > I'd say, by all means you sho

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-19 Thread Peter Elderson
fy in Nederland. Other countries, different guidelines, I'm sure. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 18 jan. 2019 om 11:54 schreef Tobias Wrede : > While you clearly > also have to enter a node network somewhere I see them more as a general >

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Peter Elderson
Vr gr Peter Elderson Landcover tag now approaches 100 000 occurrences. Still growing despite not being rendered. I would think rendering the top three landcover values is not out of place. The github issues are still there. Initially: landcover=trees same rendering as natural=wood and landuse

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Peter Elderson
y. I would gladly see the landcover key recognised and rendered for the three main values. Only then, discuss the main landuse key values and modifyers again. Else, we're just repeating the same discussion over and over. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 23 jan. 2019 om 04:50 schreef Warin

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Peter Elderson
se of the landcover key for the three main values: trees, grass and scrub. Then, bump the issues with the main renderers and editors. How to do that is not for this list, you are absolutely right about that. Only after that step, rediscuss the landuse key. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 23 jan. 2019

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-24 Thread Peter Elderson
ing. No single dedicated use. The consequence of mapping all ditches as ways is that in z19 on OSM carto the land look almost water-less, while in z14 the amount of water looks much higher than it actually is. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op do 24 jan. 2019 om 12:24 schreef Eugene Podshivalov : &g

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-01 Thread Peter Elderson
To map drains that are not ditches? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 1 feb. 2019 om 02:50 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > > It appears in the descriptions that a 'ditch' can be used as a 'dr

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-02 Thread Peter Elderson
I think it’s worth mapping. I will not systematically retag drains to ditches unless the national community decides to do so. Automated edits: no way. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 2 feb. 2019 om 14:22 heeft Hufkratzer het volgende > geschreven: > > If we were discussing a proposal I

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs. ditch

2019-02-02 Thread Peter Elderson
Who is to decide? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 2 feb. 2019 om 15:38 heeft EthnicFood IsGreat > het volgende geschreven: > > >> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 14:22:20 +0100 >> From: Hufkratzer >> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" >>

Re: [Tagging] tree rows vs individual trees

2019-02-12 Thread Peter Elderson
renderer? Well. Rendering is about the only use case for tagging tree rows, so how could it be anything else? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 12 feb. 2019 om 06:01 schreef Mark Wagner : > On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 15:55:50 +0200 > Tomas Straupis wrote: > > > Two things to add: > > 1

Re: [Tagging] tree rows vs individual trees

2019-02-12 Thread Peter Elderson
It's an existing issue. https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1753 Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 12 feb. 2019 om 12:36 schreef Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > Better rendering of tree_row on OSM Carto > > Please go to http://

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: [tagging] Canoe route / nautical channels

2019-02-12 Thread Peter Elderson
+1 I would even go for highway=fairway to route over an area, instead of the currently used invisible highway=path. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 12 feb. 2019 om 13:49 schreef Dave Swarthout : > The seamark definition in the supplied link is very general. I cannot see > how anyone

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-17 Thread Peter Elderson
I'm afraid countries differ with respect to legal imlications of sidewalk. This discussion, I've seen it 5 times now ande it never ends with consensus. It never ends at all. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 18 feb. 2019 om 00:49 schreef Dave F via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-18 Thread Peter Elderson
Different tagging will not remove the non-consensus. Non-conflation is unrealistic. (wow, 5 negs in a row, respect!) Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 feb. 2019 om 01:45 heeft Dave F via Tagging > het volgende geschreven: > > True. Primarily because there's a false conflation of

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-20 Thread Peter Elderson
ntial. Routing cannot rely on this. I would not rely on a router if it relies on this tag. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 20 feb. 2019 om 12:08 schreef Florian Lohoff : > > Hi Georg, > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:03:15AM +0100, Georg Feddern wrote: > > Even the english wiki say

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-20 Thread Peter Elderson
impaired by that, except where there are crossings and traffic signs. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 20 feb. 2019 om 13:45 schreef Paul Allen : > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 12:25, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> >> Residential just means it has housing along the road. >> > > Tha

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-22 Thread Peter Elderson
This will not suit the situation in Nederland, as explained earlier in this thread. We would have tons of exceptions on all the ‘ usually’s’ and ‘ typically’s’. Fr gr Peter Elderson > Op 23 feb. 2019 om 00:09 heeft Graeme Fitzpatrick het > volgende geschreven: > > >> On F

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-23 Thread Peter Elderson
In this scheme, a highway=road (no classification) within a residential area would (after long dicussions and heavily debated pull requests) be displayed and routed as (currently) a highway=residential? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 23 feb. 2019 om 09:46 schreef Jan S : > > > Am 23. Feb

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-23 Thread Peter Elderson
wrong sense i.e. no classification. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 23 feb. 2019 om 12:05 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 23/02/2019 10:11, Peter Elderson wrote: > > In this scheme, a highway=road (no classification) within a > > residential area would (after long dicussions and he

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-23 Thread Peter Elderson
I was thinking further about the idea that came up here: deduct road type from the landuse=residential. It's different than current usage, and I dont think it is feasable. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 23 feb. 2019 om 14:02 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 23/02/2019 11:36, Peter Elders

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-28 Thread Peter Elderson
roads actually are of class unclassified. Meaning that correction is a herculic task and a huge incentive is needed. Since there is little impact on rendering and routing, no crowds are lining up to take this on. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op do 28 feb. 2019 om 13:44 schreef Fernando Trebien < ferna

Re: [Tagging] Fixing import

2019-03-01 Thread Peter Elderson
Can't do that - would destroy too many corrections since. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 1 mrt. 2019 om 11:00 schreef Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > > Maybe highway=unclassified added in this import should be retagged to > highway=road > (the actual "

Re: [Tagging] leisure=common replacement for public areas with some trees

2019-03-05 Thread Peter Elderson
values are mentioned less often, these three would do nicely for now. Many small areas of grass, trees and scrub within residential areas can be tagged as landcover patches, without breaking up the landuse or tagging landuse over landuse. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op di 5 mrt. 2019 om 13:08 schreef

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees bot edits

2019-03-06 Thread Peter Elderson
If it's an import (not zutomated edit) and the import is ok then it's regular usage. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 6 mrt. 2019 om 09:55 schreef Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > > > > Mar 5, 2019, 1:47 PM by pelder...@gmail.com: > > Landcover

Re: [Tagging] Tagging professional cycling competitions as route=bicycle?

2019-03-07 Thread Peter Elderson
cks on all kinds of maps, including OSM. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op do 7 mrt. 2019 om 09:41 schreef Volker Schmidt : > > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2019, 08:57 Richard Fairhurst, wrote: > >> They don’t belong in OSM for the reasons you state, >> &g

Re: [Tagging] Large areas of landuse=grass in the Netherlands

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Elderson
You are right about the landuse. Mostly farmland, sometimes meadow/pasture, sometimes for crop, and that may rotate constantly. INitial tagging is from an import, I hear. I guess many mappers are content with the green colour on the map. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 11 mrt. 2019 om 03:16 schreef

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Elderson
dcover show up, just remember that the standard OSM Carto map does not. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 11 mrt. 2019 om 15:16 schreef Lorenzo Stucchi < lorenzostucch...@outlook.it>: > Hi all, > > I’m Lorenzo, the vice-president of PoliMappers, the YouthMappers chapter > in Poli

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Elderson
Sorry, 2000. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 11 mrt. 2019 om 18:18 schreef Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > Mar 11, 2019, 4:32 PM by pelder...@gmail.com: > > you can use landcover, it has about 160K uses now by 6000 users > > 6000 use

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Elderson
. It’s a movement, not a conspiracy. It’s growing despite not being rendered. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 12 mrt. 2019 om 00:19 heeft Christoph Hormann het > volgende geschreven: > >> On Monday 11 March 2019, Peter Elderson wrote: >> Sorry, 2000. > > IIRC the saying is

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Elderson
ered with. Where landuse implies a landcover and the above two use cases are not applicable or foreseen, adding landcover is redundant. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op di 12 mrt. 2019 om 01:02 schreef Peter Elderson : > Organized mapping is ok mapping. Mapping of landcover has been pretty >

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-13 Thread Peter Elderson
your case needs just rendering or also data use/routing/navigation. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 13 mrt. 2019 om 15:05 schreef Paul Allen : > On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> On 13/03/2019 13:18, Paul Allen wrote: >> > I've hesitated to ask

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage

2019-03-14 Thread Peter Elderson
tem based on systematic review according to satellite imagery. Of course, other datausers will be able to use the data for rendering if they see fit. Since it's about changes in the course of time, how do you plan to record and display the changes? Yearly datasets? Fr gr Peter Elderson

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage

2019-03-14 Thread Peter Elderson
You may want to look at this project: http://geacron.com/the-geacron-project/ The tool can display/browse historical geo-data as year-to-year browseable maps. There probably are other tools out there, mayebe even osm-based. (This is where the real experts kick in...) Fr gr Peter Elderson Op

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-14 Thread Peter Elderson
t; It's useful for longer routes through walking/cycling node networks, using the network signposting. Fr gr Peter Elderson Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Peter Elderson
by Sarah's idea, but I would like to see that solved too. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 15 mrt. 2019 om 14:26 schreef Richard Fairhurst : > marc marc wrote: > > imho nearly no routing tools (nor foot nor bus) is currently > > able to use a relation type=route with relations as

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Peter Elderson
OsmAnd. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 15 mrt. 2019 om 15:24 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 15. Mar 2019, at 14:43, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > I like Sarah's proposal too, especially for walking ro

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Peter Elderson
f you would need any special tag to indicate it's shared. If it's used more than once, it's shared, right? Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 15 mrt. 2019 om 15:38 schreef seirra blake < sophietheopos...@yandex.com>: > I can see *a lot* of shared routes in my area because most of t

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Peter Elderson
The just-a-chain-of-ways relation doesn't have to be shared. It's shareable, but the sharing really is of no consequence. I think software needs a tag to control the selection for the purpose it serves, OR allow any route relation without a type within all route types it supports. I would indeed

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-15 Thread Peter Elderson
Looks good. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 15 mrt. 2019 om 21:05 schreef seirra blake < sophietheopos...@yandex.com>: > key: *almost all tagging should occur here* | *data may be reused in > parent* | *data may be reused in parent and any 'adjacent' (with the same > le

Re: [Tagging] Superroutes - good, bad or ugly?

2019-03-16 Thread Peter Elderson
the higher relation(s), the mapper doesn't know that (s)he was the last user, so will not modify the segent relation. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op za 16 mrt. 2019 om 08:25 schreef Sarah Hoffmann : > On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 02:43:03PM +0100, Peter Elderson wrote: > > I like Sarah&

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-18 Thread Peter Elderson
e that up to them. I for one would be very interested to compare your data against the current landcover mapping of The Netherlands. For deforestation, sure, but more so for urbanization. If you push different use of current tags, mappers will turn against it, revert your changes, and your project wil

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage proposal

2019-03-20 Thread Peter Elderson
all areas have been processed. In that case I would want to map "no landcover" as opposed to "not mapped yet". Alternatively, I would mark areas with a separate tag as "not yet included in the project". d. In all cases, other mappers can and will alter the tagging if

Re: [Tagging] What is the role of "role=guidepost"

2019-04-13 Thread Peter Elderson
s also not part of a route. It just happens to be near. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 13 apr. 2019 om 20:52 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 13. Apr 2019, at 12:06, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > > But your examp

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Elderson
So where a cycleway crosses a road with a dedicated crossing: * the crossing section has nodes on each side indicating where the crossing physically begins and ends; * the crossing section is tagged highway=cycleway, crossing=yes Correct? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 17 apr. 2019 om 05:50

Re: [Tagging] documenting cycleway=crossing

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Elderson
I reacted to the comparison with a bridge. I guess there will be no consensus. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 17 apr. 2019 om 12:19 schreef Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > > > > Apr 17, 2019, 11:21 AM by pelder...@gmail.com: > > So where a cycleway crosses

[Tagging] Walking Routes, how to tag alternatives/additions/shortcuts/approach tracks etc.

2019-04-22 Thread Peter Elderson
tional=yes, approach=yes. A tag that covers all the variants, I can't think of a suitable word. the other way around: main_route=no? Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Walking Routes, how to tag alternatives/additions/shortcuts/approach tracks etc.

2019-04-23 Thread Peter Elderson
tcuts and alternatives for bird breeding season, for highwater, for people with dogs, closure after dark, and wheelchair alternatives. Most of these were not usually waymarked and mapped, but the operators are increasingly waymarking those so I want to map it. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 23 apr. 2019

Re: [Tagging] Walking Routes, how to tag alternatives/additions/shortcuts/approach tracks etc.

2019-04-23 Thread Peter Elderson
ation, and route_segment should indicate what is so special about this route relation. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 23 apr. 2019 om 09:47 schreef Sarah Hoffmann : > Hi, > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:47:35PM +0200, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Long walking routes often have a main route

Re: [Tagging] Whispering asphalt

2019-05-02 Thread Peter Elderson
Whenever the quali ...-reducing is used, I know the stuff or thing actually produces ... where ... is bad. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 2 mei 2019 om 23:52 heeft Paul Allen het volgende > geschreven: > >> On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 22:43, Tobias Wrede wrote: > >> I w

Re: [Tagging] Whispering asphalt

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
ong. I'm at an asphalt road. The asphalt looks fine to me, nice and smooth. There is no label attached to the surface. What would the noise level be? Mm can't tell. Don't have a noisometer. Next! Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 10:14 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
+1 Id and Potlach edits damage routes. JOSM edits damage the routes as well, but JOSM allows the user to prevent/detect/analyse/repair the damage while editing. Still, it's a shaky system, can't rely on it for data use. Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 12:59 schreef : > > > Hufkratzer skrev den 02.05.2019 12:

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
ve ways in the route relation as first and second. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 13:44 schreef Andy Townsend : > > On 03/05/2019 12:21, s8evq wrote: > > But what's the alternative then? > > > > Explicit start and/or finish nodes? > > As previously m

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
did... Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 14:55 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 03/05/2019 13:36, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Routers look at the ways, not the routes. > > Immediately I can think of at least one major exception for that > (cycle.travel). I suspect that th

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
Also, it does route to produce a track, but then to use it for navigation you transfer the gpx to your device, which then does the actual routing. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 15:13 schreef Peter Elderson : > This one seems to map routes to ways, and it knows the attributes of

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 15:55 schreef : > cycle.travel appears to try to follow cycle routes as much as possible. > It respects road attributes > > Peter Elderson skrev den 03.05.2019 15:13: > > This one seems to map routes to ways, and it knows the attribut

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
You prefer routes to stay unordered? Or that edits damage routes? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 16:08 schreef : > > >>> For a non-roundtrip route consiting of two consecutive ways the route > >>> direction can be deduced from the order of the ways in the

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
altogether. If an edit breaks something important, it shouldn't be accepted, or it should be automatically repaired. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 16:31 schreef : > I prefer that those complete newbies get to mess with only 1 or 2 members > of route relations, at the

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
ofiling. I would say you need at least 95% correct. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 18:39 schreef Sarah Hoffmann : > Hi, > > On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 01:24:49PM +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Seriously, hoever wrote that section of that wiki page > https://wiki.openstr

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Elderson
I guess one problem has been fixed, but many still remain. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 3 mei 2019 om 19:04 schreef Paul Allen : > On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 17:39, Sarah Hoffmann wrote: > > Most editors are quite good at keeping route order these days (iD has >> looong ago been fix

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

2019-05-08 Thread Peter Elderson
edestrians over a legal restriction. I'm perfectly fine with oneway=yes, and determining the direction from the order of ways in the relation. Remains the problem that the order in the relations is unreliable, many are unsortable, so in many cases the direction cannot be determined. Vr gr

Re: [Tagging] Navaid relation?

2019-05-22 Thread Peter Elderson
bejct a could have many navaid relations? Or one relation containing all nodes, with roles for transport mode? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 22 mei 2019 om 10:02 schreef Florian Lohoff : > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 08:31:03AM +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 0

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-03 Thread Peter Elderson
ately (which I am not even allowed to do on many of them). Moderating a forum is also much easier. So I would be very much in favour of moving to the forum. Vr gr Peter Elderson > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-03 Thread Peter Elderson
> Op 3 jun. 2019 om 15:02 heeft Florian Lohoff het volgende > geschreven: > >> On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 11:11:50AM +0200, Peter Elderson wrote: >> LS >> I agree that email is not the best tool for discussions. The main thing for >> me is that the world of

Re: [Tagging] Irrigation: usage=irrigation vs irrigation=yes [Was Irrigation: ditches, canals and drains]

2019-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
ts wastewater. usage=* does not have meaning for most of these waterways. Flow direction vary. You do want to know if it's accessible/allowed for rowboats/motorboats/canoes. And maybe if you can cross them with a jumping-pole. Very important in some areas. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op di 4 jun. 2019

Re: [Tagging] Irrigation: usage=irrigation vs irrigation=yes [Was Irrigation: ditches, canals and drains]

2019-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
ystem irrigates. If it rains exactly the amount that evaporates and leaks, the system just holds water. In the meantime you can use the bigger ditches and canals for human things like boating, fishing and small transport. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 4 jun. 2019 om 16:36 schreef François La

Re: [Tagging] landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2019-06-11 Thread Peter Elderson
other editor or just ignore it. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 11 jun. 2019 om 11:49 schreef Tomas Straupis : > > I find very strange that reservoir is a landuse by itself > > it would be a bit like putting landuse=rest on a bench > > or landuse=stop on a parking lot. > >

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-18 Thread Peter Elderson
+1 Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 jun. 2019 om 16:38 heeft marc marc het > volgende geschreven: > >> Le 18.06.19 à 16:28, Andreas Lattmann a écrit : >> mountain trails for disabled people > > map the mountain trails as usual (way and/or relation) > and add wheel

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
almost all crossings have a route with lowered sections. So I think wheelchair=yes is not very useful over here. Wheelchair=no would make more sense, although I think most people would take their chances anyway. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 19 jun. 2019 om 10:26 schreef Mark Wagner : > On Tue, 18 J

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-20 Thread Peter Elderson
It’s a case for wheelchair mappers then? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 20 jun. 2019 om 09:27 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > > > sent from a phone > >> Am 20.06.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >> >> If

Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

2019-06-20 Thread Peter Elderson
You can use your OSM account to access the osm-forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/ Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 21 jun. 2019 om 06:26 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick < graemefi...@gmail.com>: > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Hi, >> >

Re: [Tagging] kerb regulations: moving towards a tagging schema?

2019-06-21 Thread Peter Elderson
that there is data and that the data is complete, correct and verifiable at any given time. How will you go about that? Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 21 jun. 2019 om 04:43 schreef Emily Eros : > Hi mailing list, > > Kerb/curb management has become a hot topic for city governments and &g

Re: [Tagging] Hiking logbooks

2019-06-26 Thread Peter Elderson
tourism=register looks fine to me! Fr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 26 jun. 2019 om 11:25 schreef Mateusz Konieczny < matkoni...@tutanota.com>: > > > > 26 Jun 2019, 10:54 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > > Hi, > > On some hiking trail there are log books, usually at the star

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I'm fine with leisure=garden for private/common/public gardens Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 07:24 schreef Pee Wee : > Hi all > > > I would like your opinion on the next issue. > > > On the Dutch forum (googletranslate > <https://translate.google.c

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
he gardens different than the residential area. Access and use is mostly restricted, but that doesn't change the leisure function. You could discern types and qualities. I wouldnt go that far myself. When planning recreational routes, this would help me decide which areas to include. Vr gr Peter E

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
That's what I meant. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 15:29 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > From the air you commonly see rows of h

Re: [Tagging] Once more: the village_green - increase in misuse.

2019-07-18 Thread Peter Elderson
function as "village green" in the neighourhood. Let's join the countries that already do this. I would also gladly help retagging areas wrongly tagged as village_green. It's used a lot but nothing we couldn't fix in a project, if we agree on a clear convention. Vr gr Pete

Re: [Tagging] Once more: the village_green - increase in misuse.

2019-07-18 Thread Peter Elderson
Hm.. village_common still says village, where often these areas are no longer in a village. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 19 jul. 2019 om 00:42 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > As Kevin Kenny says. > > The key 'landuse' is big misused for land covers. >

Re: [Tagging] Once more: the village_green - increase in misuse.

2019-07-19 Thread Peter Elderson
I would say some indication of the purpose of the terrain should be present. E.g. Power infra, lineage, a stage area, signs, lots of things can indicate that the area is often used and/or dedicated to a variety of events. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 19 jul. 2019 om 15:21 schreef Marc Gemis

Re: [Tagging] Tag:waterway=tidal_channel is Approved!

2019-07-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Nederland: not Kreek, but Mui. Suatiegeul is officially correct but I have never heard or seen it IRL. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 24 jul. 2019 om 04:31 heeft Joseph Eisenberg > het volgende geschreven: > > The voting period has ended for > Proposed_features/Tag:waterway=tidal_

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-29 Thread Peter Elderson
ym to document the date when total disagreement was reached, the number of days that took and how many mails were sent? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 29 jul. 2019 om 08:49 schreef Tobias Zwick : > One or several wiki edits should stand at the end of every tagging > discussion, to docume

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-04 Thread Peter Elderson
’. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 4 aug. 2019 om 16:23 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 4. Aug 2019, at 15:37, Florian Lohoff wrote: >> >> A residential is also an unclassified road. > > > IM

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-04 Thread Peter Elderson
nary though. Would probably solve the issue. Of course this will never happen. No consensus, too much work. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 4 aug. 2019 om 20:58 schreef Dave Swarthout : > Peter wrote: > My research tells me ‘unclassified’ means classified as ‘unclassified‘, > which is a cla

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-04 Thread Peter Elderson
of three levels to move around the country, and a lot of other public roads, brushed together as a rest category of "other roads". If we classify in the database, that's 'unclassified' or quaternary for me. Then residential roads/areas are mostly entered through those. As it s

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-06 Thread Peter Elderson
I agree, but it also says don't expect it to be rendered or routed, it's a fixme error. Mappers have used and will use 'unclassified' because they want rendering and routing without bothering about the classification. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 5 aug. 2019 om 09:56 sch

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-08 Thread Peter Elderson
s are separated from the road by e.g. broad pedestrian pavements, parking lanes, stretches of greenery, a row of trees, kerbs, and/or separate cycleways. If e.g. a bus uses such a road I will retag it as unclassified. I would use quaternary if I could be sure of rendering and routing, which I a

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-08 Thread Peter Elderson
Peter Elderson Op do 8 aug. 2019 om 13:43 schreef Paul Allen : > On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 12:18, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> To be practical, I think I will retag the clearly residential roads now >> tagged as 'unclassified' in my town, to 'residential'. Some road

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Good luck with that! Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 10 aug. 2019 om 11:59 heeft Julien djakk het > volgende geschreven: > > Hello ! > > I've been thinking about this for a long time. > > Classifying roads should be the same all over the world ! :O > > The highwa

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
OT "If we were to redesign the human body from scratch it wouldn't have a recurrent laryngeal nerve, the epididymus would take a different route and the eyes wouldn't be wired backwards,..." ...and we would be born with wheels, wings and wifi...

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-11 Thread Peter Elderson
traight in a few OSM-significant countries, I'm sure renderers, mapping tools and checking tools will consider implementing it. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 11 aug. 2019 om 19:40 schreef Paul Johnson : > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 3:26 AM Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> w

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