Re: [Tagging] How to tag: Legally separated ways

2012-10-15 Thread Philip Barnes
The law varies from country to country. In the UK, it is legal to cross a solid white line to turn into a side road, or driveway. You can also cross one to overtake a slow moving vehicle, such as a cyclist or tractor. In France, where it is illegal to cross a solid line even to enter a driveway. I

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 22:19 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > The standard English term for a bridge that is only wide enough for one > vehicle to pass through at a time is a "one-lane bridge". In the same way, a > roadway only wide enough for one vehicle at a time is a "one-lane road". The

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-13 Thread Philip Barnes
I can see nothing wrong with tagging a single track road as lanes =1. Single track roads are rarely the same width along their entire length, and the term will be understood by UK drivers. Usual width is, I would guess, between 2.5 and 3 metres, but this varies. Sometimes, but not often there ar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Difficult passability

2012-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
here ... conversely (if you unknown the difficulty) you could have a > problem when you find this (also is problematic find a shop with > OsmAnd -for example- and when you arrive, see that already it doesn't > exist) Or we may deter someone from walking a perfectly cl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Difficult passability

2012-10-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Please set up a discussion page within the OSM wiki, it is not acceptable to use google for such proposals. It excludes many OSM contributors from commenting. The proposal looks to me to be over complex and could deter new mappers, difficulty is very subjective. Other parts of the proposal are

Re: [Tagging] Turn Restrictions

2012-10-07 Thread Philip Barnes
I would have expected Japan to share the No U Turns sign with the UK and Australia, as they drive on the left. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Historic road numbering?

2012-09-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-09-23 at 12:30 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Philip Barnes wrote: > > Is there a means of tagging the old road numbers for a road that > > has been declassified? > > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_ref > > cheers > Richard > Thanks g

[Tagging] Historic road numbering?

2012-09-23 Thread Philip Barnes
Is there a means of tagging the old road numbers for a road that has been declassified? Sometimes you are not in a hurry and just want to go the old way, the way people went before bypasses, motorways and interstates. Something like: highway=secondary ref=B5478 ref_historic=A49 or highway=tertia

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 36, Issue 38, animal_shelter

2012-09-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 15:35 +0200, St Niklaas wrote: > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:46:22 +0100 > > From: Chris Hill > > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Animal_shelter, multiple semicolon separated > > Message-ID: <505b2c3e.6030...@raggedred.net> > > Content-

Re: [Tagging] Animal_shelter, multiple semicolon separated values?

2012-09-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 09:46 +0100, Chris Hill wrote: > On 19/09/12 23:16, Alberto wrote: > > > > Hi everybody, what do you think about using multiple comma separated > > values in a key (see > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator)? > > > > In particular about the new pr

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 17:33 +0200, André Pirard wrote: > On 2012-09-17 16:57, David ``Smith'' wrote : > > Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think > > the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is > > different from a literal reading of the signs.

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
-1 The restriction applies to all nodes within the area, not just passing the sign. I do not think a node is appropriate in this case. I suspect this should be a relation. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 17/09/2012 15:04 Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! 2012/9/17 André Pirard But now what does

Re: [Tagging] Precise and terse tracing

2012-09-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Surely a lift gate on a motorway will be a tollgate? If you do map a lift gate make sure you tag access = yes, otherwise routers will stall at that point. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 17/09/2012 14:21 te...@free.fr wrote: "Martin Koppenhoefer" said: > I think that your article is miss

Re: [Tagging] amenity=veterinary: size and animals

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 11:22 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > The tag amenity=veterinary is used for veterinaries. But there exists > not (documented) possibility to tag the size of the facility or what > animals are treated. Taginfo shows that a very limited time the size > was tagged with v

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 19:10 +1000, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > Animal shelter appropriate in those cases, but not in the case of > > Boarding Kennels, or Boarding Catteries where you take your pet to be > > cared for whilst you go on holiday. For these I would propose > > amenity=boarding_kennel and am

Re: [Tagging] amenity=kennel

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 03:12 +0200, Alberto wrote: > Ok, because according to English native speakers there isn't a single word > that indicates "a facility where animals are kept and the staff feeds them > and cares of them", I propose to change from "amenity=kennel" to > "amenity=animal_shelter".

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (amenity=kennel)

2012-09-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 00:40 +0200, André Pirard wrote: > On 2012-09-13 23:38, Steve Doerr wrote : > > On 13/09/2012 21:00, St Niklaas wrote: > > > > > What about Asylum, for all animals and a tag for the spieces, > > > cats, dags, horses or guinea pigs ? > > > > That word has different connot

Re: [Tagging] Clarify tag access doc

2012-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 21:03 +0100, Rob Nickerson wrote: > > Although I don't know the history of the access tag, I would expect > that "designated" and "permissive" might have something to do with > Public Rights of Way in the UK: I think they refer to England and Wales. Scotland has different acc

Re: [Tagging] Fishing allowed?

2012-09-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 14:05 +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > On 10/09/2012 12:36, te...@free.fr wrote: > > > I would like to store information about the legality of fishing a lake, a > > river, etc. > > Is there already any tag with such a meaning? > > fishing=yes/no ? > > fishing=yes/no/permi

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-07 Thread Philip Barnes
In that case they go to different terminals. Duration is often longer at night on some crossings to allow passengers time to sleep. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 07/09/2012 14:00 John Sturdy wrote: There may be more than one duration of trip on the same route --- for example, convention

Re: [Tagging] Ferry lines, ways or relations?

2012-09-05 Thread Philip Barnes
Are relations supported by OSRM and other routers? On traditional maps ferrys are drawn as a single line for each route, if merged into a single way, how does the user viewing OSM on a screen work out where a ferry goes to and from? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 05/09/2012 12:58 Janko Mi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - man_made=kiln

2012-08-30 Thread Philip Barnes
Not really the same, the tag could be referring to a communal oven, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_oven. A kiln is a different, more industrial thing. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30/08/2012 14:18 Pieren wrote: We already have 72 man_made=oven counted by taginfo. Is that not the sam

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:30 +0200, Erik Johansson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: > > On 26/08/2012 08:42, Markus Lindholm wrote: > >> > >> Also, no one has offered any other solution to the routing issue. The > >> divider tag has been proposed, but I think it has be

Re: [Tagging] Ford = depreciated?

2012-08-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 21:49 +0900, Andrew Errington wrote: > I remember this happening, and it seemed like a Good Thing at the time, > although I had only mapped one ford. > > It was suggested that highway=ford should be deprecated and replaced with > ford=yes. > > So "ford" itself is not lost,

[Tagging] Ford = depreciated?

2012-08-25 Thread Philip Barnes
Have just spotted this changeset whilst looking through changes near me? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12837424 Why has Ford been depreciated? It is the correct definition, and the word used on road signs. A google search revealed this wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wik

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
Then it is up to the driver to follow the rules, and allow the router to re-plan. Mapping to this level is really a non-starter, mapping every solid line is not going to happen. On rural trunk roads they are just frequent, ass they are used to prevent overtaking on bends, and there are a lot of

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
my Nokia N9 On 20/08/2012 13:09 Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 20.08.2012 13:58, schrieb Philip Barnes: > On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:39 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: >> On 20 August 2012 13:25, Colin Smale wrote: >>> Isn't that what turn restrictions are for? >> No. >

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 12:57 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: > On 20 August 2012 09:39, Elena ``of Valhalla'' > wrote: > > On 2012-08-19 at 14:09:18 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: > >> In my opinion it's best to treat legal separation (i.e. solid_line) > >> the same way as physical separation, i.e. c

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:39 +0200, Markus Lindholm wrote: > On 20 August 2012 13:25, Colin Smale wrote: > > Isn't that what turn restrictions are for? > > No. > > Turn restrictions restrict from which highway object to which highway > object one can traverse, they can't tell whether you're allow

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 11:44 +0200, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > After a short discussion on the italian talk, I would move the > discussion in this list. After some tests with OSRM, I missed the > availability of a tag to mark the continuos (or discontinued) line > that divide the lanes in several sin

Re: [Tagging] Carriageway divider

2012-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-08-19 at 15:04 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 19.08.2012 14:09, Markus Lindholm wrote: > > On 19 August 2012 11:44, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: > >> > >> Indeed a "Divider=solid_line" proposal [3] was already presented . I'm > >> would > >> revamp such proposal. > >> What is your opinio

Re: [Tagging] on the name of a tag for landcover

2012-08-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 16:11 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > Yes, if animals are intended to graze on the grass, if the grass will be > harvested for use as >fodder (what my earlier message termed a hay field), or if sod will >subsequently be transplanted >elsewhere (a sod farm), then the gr

Re: [Tagging] Tagging amenity=waste_basket

2012-08-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 17:36 +, Johan Jönsson wrote: > > That area is extremly thoroughly micromapped and things normally a node could > be represented by an area. > Interesting to look at, as you say "extremely thoroughly micro mapped", but I was intrigued by the trees in the middle of a way.

Re: [Tagging] Railway stations not for passenger use

2012-08-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 10:40 +0100, Miloš Komarčević wrote: > Hi, > > Couldn't find anything on the wiki, is there a more granular scheme > for tagging railway stations/halts? > > E.g. how to distinguish form stations/halts that are for public > transport (passenger use) vs. strictly cargo, servic

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-08-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 19:00 +, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Ferries are a bit like motorways with tolls, but I don't know what is > used on motorways around the world. Fee=yes? > 'barrier=toll booth' is used for motorway tolls, and for access to ferry terminals, these work fine. The problem I was f

Re: [Tagging] RFC: Names localization

2012-08-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 11:42 +, MilošKomarčević wrote: > Tobias Knerr writes: > > On 02.08.2012 12:56, MilošKomarčević wrote: > > > name=* without any context of what language is recorded in it is one of > > > the > > > biggest fallacies of OSM i18n and needs to be addressed. > > > > You need

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-07-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 00:22 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: > I think access=fee, or access=yes + fee=yes would be appropriate. How > do access=fee compare with access=customers in existing usage? (I > tried to look it up myself on tagwatch, but my phone didn't like it > much) The entry barriers we

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-07-31 Thread Philip Barnes
e Holyhead-Dunlaoghaire ferry, where several mappers have done what I have done (fix routing), and the same mapper has come back and again tagged the access ramp/roads as private thus destroying the mapping, will keep an eye on it. Phil On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 12:22 +0200, sabas88 wrote: > > &

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-07-27 at 08:28 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: > At 2012-07-27 06:54, Werner Poppele wrote: > >In the US [1] I found some trailer parks tagged landuse=trailer_park. Is > >that ok ? Any other recommendations ? The tag tourism=camp_site seems to > >be not quite correct IMHO. > > > >taginfo >

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 13:00 -0700, Glom wrote: > ng, I have a question for Eugene Alvin Villar that wrote today > about potable. > Is it so that potable is recognized as the "correct" word and if you > here or read drinkable it will suggest that the person writing it do > not know the correct word

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 11:43 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: > Just contributing another data point on vocabulary… > > I am a native English speaker from Ohio, USA. I have been aware of > the term "potable" for many years, probably since asking what it meant > after seeing a water source labeled "no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Escalators and Moving Walkways

2012-07-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:51 +0200, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Hi. > > Probably add access as a useful combination to it: often shopping cars, > strollers, roller skates, bikes etc. are forbidden on escalators explicitely > How about skis? Sorry I couldn't resist, this guy is a touch-in short of an

Re: [Tagging] sports_centre

2012-07-16 Thread Philip Barnes
Sports centres are usually big, often municipal with a swimming pool and the like. In the UK the smaller places you are describing would be called gyms. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 16/07/2012 9:07 Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I think there is a discrepancy between what the Mapnik style a

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-13 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 Apart from a water company person, I have never heard anyone use potable, in English it is jargon used in the industry. My understanding came from recognising a French word. Workplace taps are labelled as either drinking water, or not drinking water. I have never seen potable used. Phil --

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 17:41 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/7/12 Andrew Errington : > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:21:34 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Can we introduce "potable=yes/no" and migrate both of those tags to it over > > time? > > > this issue was already discussed 5 years ago ;-)

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 07:20 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Janko Mihelić wrote: > > I don't know if this is for consideration, but the word "potable" is > > not very known outside english speaking countries > > Or even inside them! I've never heard anyone use it in everyday speech. If I > did

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 09:04 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 16:36 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > > > > > > > However, whether or not U-turns are allowed at all varies from place > > to place. Some

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 16:36 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote: > > However, whether or not U-turns are allowed at all varies from place to > place. Some > towns categorically forbid U-turns; some allow them only where signs state > they are > allowed; some allow them except where signs forbid the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 15:40 -0400, Anthony wrote: > > On Jul 3, 2012 8:57 AM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" > wrote: > > > > 2012/7/3 Philip Barnes : > > > In France, a solid line means do not cross. It is more than do not > overtake. > > > > &g

Re: [Tagging] Tagging u-turn restriction with continuous painted line

2012-07-03 Thread Philip Barnes
In France, a solid line means do not cross. It is more than do not overtake. On French motorways, the line between the main carriageway and the hard shoulder is broken for this reason. In this case it does mean no U-turns, and a left turn restriction will fix the problem. The router does need

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-28 Thread Philip Barnes
The lowest variable speed limit I have seen on a UK motorway is 40 mph, but that doesn't mean it can't go lower. I do not believe that there is a defined minimum on motorways, rather it is up to the discretion of the police, I'd they deem you are going to slowly they will escort you off. Phil

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
+1 Real time estimates are best handled by TMS, or similar. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 27/06/2012 15:40 Janko Mihelić wrote: 2012/6/27 Paul Johnson To be able to display a range, or estimate the correct value when other data (such as speed limits that vary based on time of day) is

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed=signals

2012-06-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I was going to point you at the M6 around Walsall, but having looked at it I am even more confused. Some ways are tagged maxspeed 70mph, some are tagged as maxspeed signals, and a section is 110kmh which is clearly very wrong. I will correct and email the mapper. Am not sure of purely using maxs

Re: [Tagging] Ref tag

2012-06-19 Thread Philip Barnes
"There is no ferry between Kingston upon Hull and Esbjerg. An alternative ferry is available from Harwich (350 km/220 mi from Kingston upon Hull) to Esbjerg". A well thought out route? Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 19/06/2012 11:46 Colin Smale wrote: Strictly speaking the international E-

Re: [Tagging] What tag(s) for a school canteen ?

2012-06-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 14:24 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/6/18 Pieren : > > All in title (question seen on our local forum) > > > > amenity=restaurant + access=private ? > > Pieren > > > is it a restaurant type canteen? Usually I'd tend to think fast_food > if thinking of canteens, but

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the conditions debate

2012-06-14 Thread Philip Barnes
The other usage of the term agricultural is the type of vehicle. In the UK agricultural vehicles are prohibited on motorways due to their slow speeds. But a farmer could use his Land Rover on a motorway as it is a car being used for agriculture. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 14/06/2012 14

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
My mistake, http://goo.gl/maps/NknP Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 15:15 Richard Welty wrote: On 6/6/12 10:03 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: There are lots that have 2m diameter, 1m radius, such as this pair in Loggerheads http://goo.gl/NknP. Have seen some smaller but can't

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
There are lots that have 2m diameter, 1m radius, such as this pair in Loggerheads http://goo.gl/NknP. Have seen some smaller but can't place any from memory. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 14:26 Richard Welty wrote: On 6/6/12 9:06 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > Mini rou

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
refuse to try measuring the ones on the A53 with a tape measure ;) Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 13:36 Andrew Errington wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:21:56 Philip Barnes wrote: > Diameter is more universally understood by the layman than radius. You and I both seem to underst

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Philip Barnes
Diameter is more universally understood by the layman than radius. Radius is normally only used by engineers, scientists and mathematicians. Plus it keeps us from having to map fractions. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 06/06/2012 13:07 Andrew Errington wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:32:59 C

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-06-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 11:05 +0200, sabas88 wrote: > Hi, > I started discussing in the local list about the approach in tagging > ferry routes. > The wiki page [0] seems a little bit unclear, leaving two approaches: > -normal way between harbours > -relation like a normal road. > > > I tried to fo

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-06-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 09:08 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: > Here's an example of the same type of sign in Australia > > > http://goo.gl/maps/Pao1 > > That looks more like a prohibited sign, rather than advisory. Phil ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-06-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 19:02 +0200, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: > Am 01.06.2012 um 15:01 schrieb Colin Smale : > > > On 01/06/2012 14:19, Jason Cunningham wrote: > > > On 1 June 2012 08:09, Martin Vonwald wrote: > > > But we have to make sure, that this values are only > > > ap

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-05-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 14:41 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > 2012/5/31 Richard Mann : > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-17530125 > > > > (lorry stuck on very tight corner) > > > > This is tagged hgv=unsuitable in OSM > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/69590803 > > In my opini

Re: [Tagging] Update of article highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 13:43 -0400, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > > I'll just want to let you know, that I reworked the article about > > mini-roundabouts and want to update it within the next days. You can > > find it here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 18:07 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the > following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other > than me: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217 > http://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-05-19 at 01:51 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2012/5/18 Anthony : > > The key word there, I think, is *intersections*. A roundabout should > > be an intersection, not a bunch of separate intersections. If you're > > going to expand it to the point where you have traffic lights o

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:30 -0400, Anthony wrote: > 2) entering traffic must yield; and Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De Triomphe the most famous 'old style'. Phil __

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 17:37 +, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote: > Since "Haberdashery doesn't have it's own wiki page an(d) is quite an > complicated word" may I ask: > Wtf is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haberdasher Haberdashery is a shop, or a section of a department store selling sewing

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-13 Thread Philip Barnes
haberdashery is probably the most correct. Luggage may be more useful as that type of shop will usually also sell suitcases. Bag shop just sounds wrong. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 13/05/2012 11:38 Mihkel Rämmel wrote: Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag & shop=haberdashery t

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 17:43 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I've started tagging local mini_roundabouts with mountable=yes/no. Most > have trees and are obviously not. But I'm not exactly sure where the > line is. Should one with a low curb, more like a gutter, be considered a > "true" mini-rou

Re: [Tagging] beer details, draught beer

2012-05-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 21:11 +0100, Graham Jones wrote: > There was a similar discussion on the UK list last year when we were > making our BrewMap. > > I think we settled on real_ale=yes, but I suspect that was more on the > basis that draught beer was an expectation and we wanted to know if it >

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 12:05 +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > In general, the world considers a city to be a "very large town". In > the UK (and possibly other places) the concept of "city" has specific > connotations, namely the granting of Letters Patent by the Crown (a > cathedral is not a prerequisit

Re: [Tagging] addr

2012-05-08 Thread Philip Barnes
I believe there is an address locallity which can be used in this case. Why city though? Isn't posttown more correct, not every address contains the name of city. Mine for example, Shrewsbury. It is a large town, but not a city. To be a city it would require a cathedral. Phil On 08/05/2012

Re: [Tagging] day_on / day_off question

2012-05-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 20:58 +0200, Jørgen Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Martijn van Exel wrote: > > See my current try at this here: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/33973144 > > First of all, you should not use motor_vehicle=private. That does *not* > mean private vehicles, but rather that

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 13:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: > > So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to > > call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the > > existing intersection, buil

Re: [Tagging] roundhouses tagging

2012-04-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 18:36 +0300, Mihkel Rämmel wrote: > Should railway roundhouses be tagged railway=roundhouse (as suggested > on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Droundhouse) > or as building=roundhouse? Or both? > And how would you tag an old roundhouse that is nowadays used for

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 10:01 +, Philip Barnes wrote: > Through observations I can see that there is a minimum width for lane > marking in the UK. I am not sure what the value is, but have seen > sections of road where lines end where the road narrows. > > Will try to find an ex

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Philip Barnes
Through observations I can see that there is a minimum width for lane marking in the UK. I am not sure what the value is, but have seen sections of road where lines end where the road narrows. Will try to find an example. I am not sure I would want to add a lanes tag where the width falls below

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Please could someone confirm what Spitsstrook is? It looks like use of the hard shoulder on managed sections of motorway, but I cannot read dutch. We have these on the M6 and M42. Thanks Phil On 26/04/2012 10:30 Martin Vonwald wrote: To give you an advance warning: the updated article is fini

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 20:02 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Am 21.04.2012 um 19:11 schrieb Philip Barnes : > > > The distinction used by OS is width is more than 4m or less than 4m. > > And what happens if width IS 4m? The words the use are 'generally more than 4m wide&#x

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 14:08 +0200, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: > Am 21.04.2012 um 13:34 schrieb "Ilpo Järvinen" : > > > ...What I don't really care if it is called lanes=1.5 or > > lanes=1/2+some_other_agreed_tag_which_is_not_an_estimated_width=x, but > > simply saying that use lanes=1/2 alon

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 15:31 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Am 21 Apr 2012 um 13:23 schrieb Philip Barnes : > > > However OSM does not allow anything other than tagging as 3 > >lanes, so the above is probably irrelevant to OSM > >

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 10:19 +0200, Ronnie Soak wrote: > I would only use a lanes value other than 2 if there are clear road > markings, signs or it is otherwise very clear that two cars are > supposed to go in one direction at a time (>=3) I am not aware of any special signage on 3 lane roads in

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 09:09 +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > For motorways and trunks I would not add any assumptions, because they > simply differ too much. > Can we agree on that? > +1 Very much agree with you there. Trunks in particular can vary enormously, from practically motorway standard ro

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 12:33 -0700, Alan Mintz wrote: > If an odd number, assume a center turn lane (e.g. lanes=5 means 2 forward, > 2 backward, 1 center). > You cannot assume that, many 3 lane roads have a 'chicken' lane. Where the centre lane is used for overtaking by traffic in either direction

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2012-04-20 at 06:43 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/20/2012 5:50 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: > > Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it > >> (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest are

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 19:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/11/2012 7:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 13:28 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >>> If sidewalks were tagged without

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 13:28 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > If sidewalks were tagged without the highway tag, routing would > > continue to work like it does for everybody > > Except when a motorway has a sidewalk. Do motorways ever have a side

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