Am Mi., 22. Mai 2019 um 13:12 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny <
matkoni...@tutanota.com>:
> How can i select the entrance on OSRM/openstreetmap website, MAPS.ME,
>
> OsmAND the entrance? You cant.
>
> Why would you want to manually select entrance?
>
because you might want to in order to state
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> On 22. May 2019, at 12:49, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> You need to have a way to EXPLICITLY define a location
> where to navigate to.
this is “entrance”/barrier=gate, or not?
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> On 22. May 2019, at 12:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
> If navigation is simply doing nearest road point on matching then it requires
> change to both
> - properly use footway data
> - use your proposed relation
>
> I see no reason for preferring second solution.
check
Le 22.05.19 à 12:06, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>> you mean https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/273023376 ?
>> it's a good example of missing datas.
>> no entrance, no way between the entrance and the public network.
>> I feel that the relation type=navaids should be called type=missingway
>
> Again
Navigation software needs to move on. Instead of mapping a destination
POI to a single point in every case, it needs to handle a list of
points. Each point may have filters or qualifiers, such as opening hours
or mode of transport; this can lead to some of the points being
disqualified. The
22 May 2019, 13:03 by f...@zz.de:
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:55:44PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
>> > - Baumstraße 43a, Gütersloh, Germany
>> > It does not have a connection to Baumstraße but to
>> > Hermann-Vogelsang-Straße.
>> >
>> > It still will be routed through Baumstraße and
22 May 2019, 13:00 by f...@zz.de:
>
> Hi
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:42:45PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
>> 22 May 2019, 09:53 by f...@zz.de:
>> > Hi Marc,
>> > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:38:23PM +, marc marc wrote:
>> >> > What is the expectation to get navigated to when
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 01:01:20PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
> 22 May 2019, 12:49 by f...@zz.de:
>
> > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:37:21PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> >
> >> > Again a footway between the house and a road will NOT help for
> >> > car navigation because for cars a
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:55:44PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > - Baumstraße 43a, Gütersloh, Germany
> > It does not have a connection to Baumstraße but to
> > Hermann-Vogelsang-Straße.
> >
> > It still will be routed through Baumstraße and the driveway to
> > Baumstraße 45a
> >
> >
22 May 2019, 12:49 by f...@zz.de:
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:37:21PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
>> > Again a footway between the house and a road will NOT help for
>> > car navigation because for cars a footway is NOT a routable
>> > part of the graph.
>> >
>> Car navigation may use
Hi
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:42:45PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 22 May 2019, 09:53 by f...@zz.de:
> > Hi Marc,
> > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:38:23PM +, marc marc wrote:
> >> > What is the expectation to get navigated to when selecting a park?
> >> there is no such thing as "a single
22 May 2019, 09:43 by f...@zz.de:
>
> Hola Mateusz,
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:26:01AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
>> 21 May 2019, 23:46 by f...@zz.de:
>>
>> > - Houses which are routeable by road a but are near road b or vice
>> > versa.
>> >
>> > Adding more roads aka
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:37:21PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > Again a footway between the house and a road will NOT help for
> > car navigation because for cars a footway is NOT a routable
> > part of the graph.
> >
> Car navigation may use footway data to select best dropoff point.
>
>
22 May 2019, 09:53 by f...@zz.de:
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:38:23PM +, marc marc wrote:
>
>> > What is the expectation to get navigated to when selecting a park?
>>
>> there is no such thing as "a single point that makes everyone agree"
>>
>
> Yes there is - there has to
22 May 2019, 12:06 by f...@zz.de:
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 09:13:14AM +, marc marc wrote:
>
>> Le 22.05.19 à 09:43, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>> >> Can you give example of residential building with fully mapped roads,
>> >> footways and obstacles where well written router will fail?
>> >
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 09:13:14AM +, marc marc wrote:
> Le 22.05.19 à 09:43, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
> >> Can you give example of residential building with fully mapped roads,
> >> footways and obstacles where well written router will fail?
> >
> > - Baumstraße 43a, Gütersloh, Germany
>
>
Le 22.05.19 à 09:43, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>> Can you give example of residential building with fully mapped roads,
>> footways and obstacles where well written router will fail?
>
> - Baumstraße 43a, Gütersloh, Germany
you mean https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/273023376 ?
it's a good
Le 22.05.19 à 10:36, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
> type navaid
> source (Multiple ones sharing the same transport
> destination)
> car
> bicyle
> foot
this info, for well mapped objet, already exist
polygon have several nodes
with entrance=yes and car/bicyle/foot=designated
Hi Peter,
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:15:57AM +0200, Peter Elderson wrote:
> > Id imaging a relation which says
> > object A -> car -> Node B (on routable graph)
> > So whenever i tell my nav software to bring me to object A the node
> > selected on the routable graph as a destination will be
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 09:43:31AM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> > Can you give example of residential building with fully mapped roads,
> > footways
> > and obstacles where well written router will fail?
>
> - Baumstraße 43a, Gütersloh, Germany
> It does not have a connection to
> Id imaging a relation which says
> object A -> car -> Node B (on routable graph)
> So whenever i tell my nav software to bring me to object A the node
> selected on the routable graph as a destination will be Node B.
One relation per mode of transport then? So a complex obejct a could have
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 08:31:03AM +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 07:47, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> > - Houses which are routeable by road a but are near road b or vice
> > versa.
>
> That could be a "problem" due to GPS (?) system being so accurate?
And map data
Hi Marc,
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:38:23PM +, marc marc wrote:
> > What is the expectation to get navigated to when selecting a park?
>
> there is no such thing as "a single point that makes everyone agree"
Yes there is - there has to be an explicit location you will ne navigated
to for a
Hola Mateusz,
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 12:26:01AM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 21 May 2019, 23:46 by f...@zz.de:
>
> > - Houses which are routeable by road a but are near road b or vice
> > versa.
> >
> > Adding more roads aka service/driveway does not necessary make it more
> >
Am 22. Mai 2019 00:44:51 MESZ schrieb Mateusz Konieczny
:
>
>22 May 2019, 00:38 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com:
>
>> Le 22.05.19 à 00:16, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> Hi marc,
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:02:53PM +, marc marc wrote:
>>>
Hello,
Le 21.05.19 à 23:46,
22 May 2019, 00:38 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com:
> Le 22.05.19 à 00:16, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>
>>
>> Hi marc,
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:02:53PM +, marc marc wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Le 21.05.19 à 23:46, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>>>
Currently all Routing/Navigation
Le 22.05.19 à 00:16, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>
> Hi marc,
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:02:53PM +, marc marc wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Le 21.05.19 à 23:46, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
>>> Currently all Routing/Navigation application try hard to find
>>> the nearest or best point on the routeable
22 May 2019, 00:16 by f...@zz.de:
> Doesnt work - You are navigating by car but you only have a footway up
> to hour house - Still the house is near road b - thus you get navigated
> to the wrong street.
>
In this case router should be improved to route toward house, not
to road segment
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 07:47, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>
> - Houses which are routeable by road a but are near road b or vice
> versa.
>
That could be a "problem" due to GPS (?) system being so accurate?
For instance, where I am sitting now at the back of my house, various GPS /
location /
21 May 2019, 23:46 by f...@zz.de:
> - Houses which are routeable by road a but are near road b or vice
> versa.
>
> Adding more roads aka service/driveway does not necessary make it more
> deterministic.
>
Can you give example of residential building with fully mapped roads, footways
and
Hi marc,
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 10:02:53PM +, marc marc wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Le 21.05.19 à 23:46, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
> > Currently all Routing/Navigation application try hard to find
> > the nearest or best point on the routeable network for a given
> > destination lat/lon or object.
Hello,
Le 21.05.19 à 23:46, Florian Lohoff a écrit :
> Currently all Routing/Navigation application try hard to find
> the nearest or best point on the routeable network for a given
> destination lat/lon or object.
with best, you mean : only one ? that look like wrong
a destination can have
Hi,
is there any Navaid relation to map an object to a point on
the routeable network?
Currently all Routing/Navigation application try hard to find the
nearest or best point on the routeable network for a given
destination lat/lon or object.
I have seen this fail for multiple occurences over
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