Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:spacing=*

2018-05-07 Thread Peter Elderson
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:spacing=*

2018-05-05 Thread Peter Elderson
g a loosely or densely spaced row of objects, exemplified by a tree_row. Other examples: a row of bollards, a row of stepping stones to cross a waterway, a row of street lights. - areas representing a surface loosely or densely covered with objects, exemp

Re: [Tagging] [OKFILTER] Re: Mapping generic sheds

2018-05-05 Thread Peter Elderson
rn. Smaller than a shed and it's > a kennel. > > And if it's on a farm, whatever size it is, it's completely filled with > all sorts of random junk. > > Very roughly speaking, of course. > > -- > Paul > > > ___ > Tagging mai

Re: [Tagging] Mapping generic sheds

2018-05-05 Thread Peter Elderson
t; Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> > <#m_5985946091577098980_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Conflicting wiki docu for aerialway=goods and aerialway=station

2018-05-14 Thread Peter Elderson
nglish usage. For me, "station" (wrt transportation) > means passengers, not goods. > > -- > Paul > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Peter Elderson
on waymarkedtrails. What is a type=superroute needed for then? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 7 mei 2018 om 23:48 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > > Even local hiking routes can have variations in starting and stopping places > as well as route vari

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-09 Thread Peter Elderson
Road level sounds to me like how high it is. Or on which level in a complex crossing with fly-overs and stuff. Beside that, would it be a problem to add a key for generic road classification while still keeping the old values? Users could use the generic classification by preference, and default

Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-08 Thread Peter Elderson
n Kenny <kevin.b.kenny+...@gmail.com> > a écrit : >> >> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:22 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I map everything as long as it’s waymarked. If a variant is waymarked >>> and named, it belongs to the rout

Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-08 Thread Peter Elderson
points (e.g. at a border), that's not correct is it? 2018-05-08 8:04 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>: > We have trails with their own names, serving as part of a larger > (branched) trail with another name. The parts may have different operators. > Alternative sec

[Tagging] key: starting=yes ??

2018-05-11 Thread Peter Elderson
tagged as information point, that's ok I think. If so, it probably would not hurt to remove the tags, correct the dutch documentation and maybe suggest using a role instead? -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] key: starting=yes ??

2018-05-11 Thread Peter Elderson
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Re: [Tagging] key: starting=yes ??

2018-05-11 Thread Peter Elderson
that doesn't know the role start. 2018-05-11 11:33 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > 2018-05-11 11:22 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>: > >> Well, in a roundtrip there are often multiple designated starting points >> with a parkin

[Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Peter Elderson
can I find the thematical documentation? -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] type=route tagged on a way?

2018-05-17 Thread Peter Elderson
s://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yTU > > > > So my question is, is this type of tagging actually supported by data > consumers, or are these 9000 tagging errors? > > > > Cheers, > > Thorsten > > ___ > T

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
? 2018-05-25 13:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>: > On 25 May 2018 at 06:48, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What is the use of the key:roundtrip? > > Explanations just say > >> roundtrip=yes/no(optional) Use roundtrip=

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
ould > also be used to indicate that there is a single roundtrip ticket such as a > park-and-ride bus or river cruise that returns you to your original > destination in one journey. > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
rpret roundtrip as “you can get from a stop to another stop that’s * >> *before** it in the list of stops by simply remaining in the vehicle”. >> >> >> >> You can have routes where the start and stop are the same location, but >> this is not true (as the v

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
differs from the location-based definition. I see a consistency problem here... which explains why the actual use of this tag is also inconsistent. 2018-05-25 11:58 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>: > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
I've looked up the Circle Line in London. It is not circular in any way! 2018-05-25 14:00 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>: > I think circular is used to indicate that the vehicle in the end returns > at the same point. I don't think the actual shape of the route

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
> this is not true (as the vehicle always goes on to serve another route > after arriving at the last stop). > > > > *From:* Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, 25 May 2018 15:48 > *To:* Tagging list OSM <tagging@openstreetmap.org>

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
woud the roundtrip tag help you with that? 2018-05-25 12:51 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>: > > > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In that case it is a service-thing rather than a route-th

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
enstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
8-05-25 13:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>: > On 25 May 2018 at 06:48, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What is the use of the key:roundtrip? > > Explanations just say > >> roundtrip=yes/no(optional) Use roundtrip=no to i

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
usefulness, though I >> confess to having used it on occasion. >> >> >> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 25/05/18 15:48, Peter Elderson wrote: >>> >>> What is the use of the key:roundtr

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
It's an example. But we are not alone... 2018-05-25 12:33 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > 2018-05-25 12:29 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>: > >> How would that be applicable in Nederland, where PT uses one type of >> chipca

[Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
, or a geographical non-roundtrip tagged as roundtrip=yes, for whatever reason. It would be nice to know the reason, of course. For my part, "everybody/nobody here calls this a circular line" is reason enough. Could we agree on that too? If so, all that remains is add this to the wiki. -- V

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-25 Thread Peter Elderson
t; "route:circular=yes". (There are "only" 25000 in the OSM data, so it might > be manageable.) I don't like "circular=yes" because it's so vague. > (example: building=silo circular=yes ?) > > > > > On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 1:23 PM, Peter Elderso

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 25/05/18 21:31, Peter Elderson wrote: > > It's an example. But we are not alone... > > > Same in Sydney Australia - billed on entry and exit points .. not on how > long you have been inside the transport system sy

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
e? > > Polyglot > > 2018-05-26 12:10 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>: > >> I would like to wrap this up, without a formal proposal process, if there >> is no fundamental objection. >> Afterwards, I will announce it in the Dutch community an

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
T+02:00 marc marc <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com>: > Le 26. 05. 18 à 12:10, Peter Elderson a écrit : > > the correct meaning > > considering the great diversity of interpretation of this tag, > what is in your opinion the correct meaning? > when should roundtrip changed

[Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-24 Thread Peter Elderson
s ways which are included in the route relation. But even then, what is the purpose? Allowing apps to select only "official" roundtrips? Is that a valid reason for tagging? -- Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstr

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag (was: Re: British term for municipal greenery?)

2018-06-06 Thread Peter Elderson
-06-06 14:37 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > On 06/06/2018 11:48, Peter Elderson wrote: > > This issue has a long history... seems to me tagging awaits rendering, and > rendering awaits tagging. In such cases, you need a commitment from both > sides, with enough support to fuel trust.

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-06 Thread Peter Elderson
ystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2548 > > * not rendered elsewhere > * not enough instances > * what's the difference with landuse > > are some of the arguments I've seen. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > > This issue has a long histo

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-06 Thread Peter Elderson
, but wouldn't it be better to engage earlier and get a commitment and lay out a road map? 2018-06-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > > On 5. Jun 2018, at 10:02, Peter Elderson wrote: > > E.g. replace landuse=village_green with landuse=decorative (defaut

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

2018-06-10 Thread Peter Elderson
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Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-12 Thread Peter Elderson
one that is > forestry .. just with the trees harvested and gone, they'll be back. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
the pressure. 2018-06-08 16:35 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > On Friday 08 June 2018, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > Historically absolute use numbers have not been a significant > > > criterion for decisions in the standard style if to render a > > > certain tag. Tags have bee

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
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Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
se=forest" > > > Main problem is that many do not consider current usage of landuse=forest > to be a misuse. > > > It is just how this extremely popular tag is used. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openst

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
vements are possible but not when it starts from "deprecate > landuse=forest because it is not used to tag land use". > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tag

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
documented on the wiki pages? 2018-06-08 12:40 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > On Friday 08 June 2018, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > ... those who desire a strong hand and an authorative top > > > > down tagging system - by derailing the community processes > > &

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
18-06-08 13:55 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > On Friday 08 June 2018, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Agreed, but on this list discussion is in order, right? And here I > > didn't see anyone "desiring an authorative top down tagging system - > > derailing the community pr

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
things. > > One of the main problems is inertia. > > Some tags have so much 'use' (I prefer the term 'misuse' in some cases.. > well all the ones I'd change if I were dictator) > that convincing most that they need to change gets very hard. > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
time than complaining). > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
http://www.imagico.de/ > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
Andy Townsend : > On 08/06/2018 16:03, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> >> In this case, rendering is crucial so any documentation would need to >> address that. >> > > To echo what other people have suggested, you are entirely free to set up > a rendering* of wh

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
istent is not one of this cases. >> >> >> Improvements are possible but not when it starts from "deprecate >> landuse=forest because it is not used to tag land use". >> >> ___ &g

Re: [Tagging] Tools and mass-retagging

2018-06-08 Thread Peter Elderson
hinks that the database is way more scattered than it >> needs to be, and this makes tool development harder to make complete, >> thus weakening the ecosystem when each tool supports a slightly >> different set of tags. >> >> > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
> Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
is natural or not. > > Now, for tree covered areas I use: > > natural=wood > landcover=trees > > I feel that the natural=wood is tagging for the renderer but I do it > anyway. And I feel that landcover=trees is a more accurate description of > what is

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-13 Thread Peter Elderson
used land has landuse. E.g. on antarctica (or in deserts) you will not > have any use for most of the land. > > > > >> And landuse=grass doesn't make any sense at all. I'm not aware of any >> place where "grass" would be an appropiate land*use*. >> > &g

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-13 Thread Peter Elderson
; > > > > > No, you cant. As there are conflicting tagging methods > > If everything was "properly" mapped with those 3 tags I could come up > with an algorithm. Not with the current mess of course. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-12 Thread Peter Elderson
al=wood, landuse=forest, landcover=trees are effectively synonymous. > > > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forest for details. > > > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > &

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-13 Thread Peter Elderson
t; https://pictures.immobilienscout24.de/listings/1ddb81ae-d508-4159-ba88- > 7d0dda53e696-1130797434.jpg/ORIG/resize/1024x768%3E/format/jpg/quality/80 > > > This may qualify, though it is debatable. > > > Overall, I think that this situatio

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-13 Thread Peter Elderson
used it for > landcover purpose have mapped for the renderer imho. Others followed > and now people state it is a landcover tag. > > m. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
1:23 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > On 2018-06-15 08:28, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Speed is limited to 15 Kmph (living_street rules). > > > Peter, have you got a source for this 15kph maxspeed (wegenverkeerswet) > for an uitrit that is not a living street? It may be sensible, gi

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
n_roU1i10R-RCah1eA! > 2e0!7i13312!8i6656 > > Also in Spain we have this traffic sign http://www.autoescuela. > tv/ver_senyal-180-S-dosocho-Calle_residencial and you can see it at the > start of every street of this kind. > > Salut i mapes > yopaseopor > > > &

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
totally backwards compatible with all the existing millions of uses. No worries there. 2018-06-08 0:11 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > On 07/06/18 23:00, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> I think landuse=forest should remain intact, for cases where forestry is >> actually how the land is u

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
fic regulation rules. This also copies the situation with driveway-exits. Total chaos, if you look closely, but hey, it works. 2018-06-15 9:55 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 15. Jun 2018, at 08:32, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > D

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
l driveway? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging m

[Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
of the joining road (where traffic crosses the sidewalk) with an exiting or new highway tag, defining it as a section which can be crossed (and routed) but has to give way to all, and limits speed. Any thoughts on this? -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
is limited to 15 Kmph (living_street rules). 2018-06-15 8:16 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 15. Jun 2018, at 08:04, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > "If it looks like a driveway exit, treat it like a driveway exit" is the > i

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
nd give way! b. It's coming from the right but it's an exit so move on! We're looking for a simple way to indicate what's there without tagging all the details and implications separately. 2018-06-15 8:42 GMT+02:00 : > *From:* Peter Elderson > *Sent:* Friday, 15 June 2018 16:29 > *

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
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Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Elderson
viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson _

Re: [Tagging] random lawns and uncontrolled shrubs tagged as leisure=garden

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
> Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
to) you began, no matter where on the route you started. 2018-05-26 14:53 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>: > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > When applied to a route, I would leave out that it is the same vehicle,

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
e actually fits the definition. 2018-05-26 15:58 GMT+02:00 Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com>: > If I understand you correctly, in British English round trip is not about > the route at all, it is about the journey, the service and practical > arrangements. While American Engl

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
ne decides to do the same touring car route in her own car, wouldn't you still call it a round trip? 2018-05-26 17:16 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com>: > > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Still thinking...

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-26 Thread Peter Elderson
la16...@gmail.com>: > On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Peter Elderson <pelder...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I do a lot of one-day walking trips with groups... they actually fit >> quite nicely with your descriptions. The route usually ends where it >> starts. You h

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-29 Thread Peter Elderson
eems like deliberately falsifying the data. > If the bus has to back up, why would we want to hide it in the data? > > cheers, > Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-29 Thread Peter Elderson
Electrification will change that, mmw. 2018-05-29 9:52 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > sent from a phone > > > On 29. May 2018, at 09:49, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > Why would we want to document which side of the bus comes first? Just > think of it a

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-29 Thread Peter Elderson
ng the route >> continuous it's indeed enough to repeat the ways. So maybe I better drop it. >> >> But if we're going to a add a role for hail_and_ride and editors need to >> be adapted to accomodate this, we could include this role as well, while >> we're at it. >> >

Re: [Tagging] new role for route relations: reverse

2018-05-29 Thread Peter Elderson
rse role and consumers would see > no difference (as long as the reversing stub is included in the route, > with or without a role). It's just a little > less clear to mappers what is going on without that role. > > -- > Paul > > >

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
ontinuous_route? > looped_route? > > > > On 28/05/18 18:24, Peter Elderson wrote: > > I think for waymarked circular trails the UK English meaning is not too > far off. The waymarks and often available map/leaflet/booklet/description > do indeed bring you back to the

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
> Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
No need to tag the operator, it's just how it's collectively known here. In fact nobody knows or cares who actually takes care of it, as long as it is kept tidy by people in safety vests leaning on gardening gear and operating loud chainsawlike machines. People feel that using all kinds of

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-04 Thread Peter Elderson
Op ma 4 jun. 2018 om 23:30 schreef Paul Allen > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > >> No need to tag the operator, it's just how it's collectively known here. >> In fact nobody knows or cares who actually takes care of it, as long as it >

[Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-05-31 Thread Peter Elderson
s which are renewed every year, bushes, low trees which no-one would dare to call a forest, and mixtures. Thy might be bushes one year, grass with flowers next year, and cactus-fields next year because the mayor has visited Mexico. -- Vr gr Peter Elderson __

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-05 Thread Peter Elderson
it will be rendered by at least some. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] British term for municipal greenery?

2018-06-05 Thread Peter Elderson
ice topic for > workshop on SOTM :-) > > regards > > > m > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > > landuse=village_green is used a lot. That works fine for grass-covered > > areas, because it's rendered green, but it misinterprets the t

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-06 Thread Peter Elderson
, but without cooperation from the > openstreetmap-carto developers and willingness from the ID and JOSM > developers to incorporate new presets it probably won't progress beyond a > permanent 'proposed' status. > > Kind regards, > > Jeroen Hoek > > > ___

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Peter Elderson
Providing a more consistent while still backwards compatible tagging scheme for a feature is not the end of freedom. It just helps to answer the all-time question: how is this done? with an answer that makes more sense. Taggers will adopt it because it makes sense. Op do 7 jun. 2018 12:33

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
nd up some > way from your start point. It may well be possible to return by the same > route, but that would mean covering twice the official distance. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] roundtrip

2018-05-28 Thread Peter Elderson
>>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018 15:13 >>>> *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools < >>>> tagging@openstreetmap.org> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ta

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

2018-06-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Or are we making provision for fully autonomous driverless buses, relying > on OSM for guidance to find their correct stops? :-) > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] public_transport=platform rendering on osm-carto

2018-06-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Don't know the PT scheme, but if you want to route over different transport methods, you'll have to connect the routes somehow. 2018-06-23 10:28 GMT+02:00 Jo : > Op za 23 jun. 2018 om 10:26 schreef Peter Elderson : > >> I think a bus stop node on the bus route is exactly wh

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-24 Thread Peter Elderson
check whatever I missed something. > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list &

Re: [Tagging] When was the deprecation of location=kiosk for power=substation discussed?

2018-04-26 Thread Peter Elderson
inets and are usually not located on the >>> sidewalk but next to it on a separate area. >>> >>> I don't remember a discussion of this change, do you? If no, I propose >>> to revert this change on the wiki. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. (Mailinglisten >>> ausgenommen) >>> I prefer GPG encryption of emails. (does not apply on mailing lists) >>> >>> ___ >>> Tagging mailing list >>> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >> > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Vr gr Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Street exits

2018-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
're pretty > good about organizing things so as to be unambiguously obvious when you do > and don't have the right of way in regards to nonmotorized traffic. > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1:28 AM, Peter Elderson > wrote: > >> The street is residential, but the exit is over a

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
for preference regarding name tags. If I were a data user, again I would not try to do anything with substrings of a free format string. Which is not the same as being against whatever people may wish to put in it, just you don’t build anything on free format strings. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
/ to - because - is extremely common in names and / is not. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 10 aug. 2018 om 18:24 heeft Paul Allen het volgende > geschreven: > >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >> >> > On 10. Aug 2018, at 15:29, Paul Al

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-11 Thread Peter Elderson
I am not trying to change any accepted local rule. Mvg Peter Elderson Op 11 aug. 2018 om 06:13 heeft Marc Gemis het volgende geschreven: >> I find it hard to understand why some mappers do not want to map reality. >> Unless it's because they wish the street >> signs were

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-11 Thread Peter Elderson
is not a bad idea, I think. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 11 aug. 2018 om 01:14 heeft Jo het volgende > geschreven: > > What if the street sign said: > > St Francis St. > > would you be putting that exactly as is in the name tag? > > I would put > > Saint

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-08 Thread Peter Elderson
ng) > > * spaced slashes: name=Le Rhin / Rhein (shared boundaries) > > > > Greater consistency would surely be advantageous? > > > > -- > > Andy Mabbett > > @pigsonthewing > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > __

Re: [Tagging] Slash, space, or spaced hyphen in multi-lingual names

2018-08-08 Thread Peter Elderson
tell it to show me > name:en or name:el for whatever I need to see at the time. Rather then > using hyphen, slash or space I propose we use this method for > distinguishing different translations in our naming scheme > ___ > Tagging mailing list >

Re: [Tagging] Stolpersteine tagging scheme problem

2018-08-25 Thread Peter Elderson
I am not sure. Once I get around to it I am sure I can find out by contacting the right people. I think they are also registered as gravestones by the funeral branche. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 25 aug. 2018 om 18:05 heeft Andy Mabbett het > volgende geschreven: > >> On Sat, 25

Re: [Tagging] Stolpersteine tagging scheme problem

2018-08-26 Thread Peter Elderson
tool on their website. Basically, all we need is a list of GPS locations, right? Op za 25 aug. 2018 om 19:38 schreef Peter Elderson : > Done some more reading. Stolpersteine are not just metal plaques on some > brick, they are actually stones placed in the pavement. A Stolperstein is >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-17 Thread Peter Elderson
It would not be that hard to add a precision to a measurement. Any measurement. Maybe there already is a standard method for that? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 17 aug. 2018 om 20:50 heeft SelfishSeahorse > het volgende geschreven: > >> On Friday, August 17, 2018, Christoph

Re: [Tagging] How to tag small canals?

2018-08-18 Thread Peter Elderson
Sure. But is there a standard method to indicate this uncertainty in OSM, which can be processed by data consumers? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 18 aug. 2018 om 01:35 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende > geschreven: > > What you are trying to refer to is 'measu

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