Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& done! Thanks again for simple, straight-forward instructions, Warin :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-17 Thread Warin
On 18/01/19 11:33, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Created two further pages to (hopefully!) cover all options? :-) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmobile_home https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dmanufactured_home Together with some re-wording on the main page

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Created two further pages to (hopefully!) cover all options? :-) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmobile_home https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dmanufactured_home Together with some re-wording on the main page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcaravan Should

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-17 Thread Steve Doerr
On 14/01/2019 13:23, Steve Doerr wrote: On 13/01/2019 23:42, Warin wrote: On 14/01/19 09:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I think the 'mobile home' is an acceptable term to cover the lot. Why is it unacceptable? The emphasise on 'permanent' I think is wrong, but there is enough vagueness to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 00:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 22:17, Paul Allen wrote: > > Paul. I'm not saying you're wrong, & yes, I'll agree that wikipedia does, > but when you do a general search for "Types of mobile home", most of the > results from the US, UK &

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 22:17, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 08:24, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> I appreciate your efforts on this, Graeme, believe me. >> > Thanks! > However, seeing as motorhome and recreational_vehicle are so similar, I >> would use motorhome as a top-level tag

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Paul Allen
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 08:24, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I appreciate your efforts on this, Graeme, believe me. However, seeing as > motorhome and recreational_vehicle are so similar, I would use motorhome as > a top-level tag with RVs being a special type of motorhome and have a > separate

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Jan 2019, at 10:41, Philip Barnes wrote: > > In British English we would use horse box for a trailer intended for carrying > horses. > > A float is the same, used in carnivals, but it also used to be a slow > electric vehicle for delivering milk. I haven't seen

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On 16 January 2019 05:26:23 GMT, Kevin Kenny wrote: >Michael Patrick: >> What's a 'Horse Float' under RVs? https://i.gifer.com/SC79.gif >> Seriously, this term is a great example of a regional difference. In >the U.S., it's equine dental / foot care. >On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 8:57 PM Warin

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Philip Barnes
Am fairly certain that the same is true in British English. The terms used by The Camping and Caravanning Club booking section are 5th wheel Camper Van Caravan Caravan (twin axle) Motorhome Tent Trailer Tent Phil (trigpoint) On 15 January 2019 19:49:23 GMT, Mark Wagner wrote: >On Mon, 14

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-16 Thread Dave Swarthout
I appreciate your efforts on this, Graeme, believe me. However, seeing as motorhome and recreational_vehicle are so similar, I would use motorhome as a top-level tag with RVs being a special type of motorhome and have a separate shop=mobile_home page. Then all bases are covered. Mobile_home covers

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 15:27, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Ah. In the US we say just, 'horse trailer.' The only time I think we > use 'float' in anything near that sense is 'parade float' - an > elaborately decorated vehicle taking part in a parade, often carrying > performers or dignitaries. > Yep,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
Michael Patrick: > What's a 'Horse Float' under RVs? https://i.gifer.com/SC79.gif > Seriously, this term is a great example of a regional difference. In the > U.S., it's equine dental / foot care. On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 8:57 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > In Australia a 'horse float'

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Warin
On 16/01/19 09:34, Michael Patrick wrote: > What started the whole thing off was me wanting to map one of these Directly from the signs out front, and some assumptions: # Caravan retailing

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
OK, so after taking in everybody's thoughts & comments (thanks! :-)), I've come up with: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcaravan https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dmotorhome https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Drecreational_vehicle How's that? As always, all

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Jan 2019, at 22:48, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Essentially, I don't think we're going to come up with anything better > than 'do something arbitrary, and open tickets on the four or five > most-widely-used editors asking their maintainers for help.' from what we have

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:08 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 06:07, Paul Allen wrote: >> Actually, id (dunno about other editors) handles this by having aliases of >> certain terms. Which would allow mappers to type in RV or mobile home, or >> caravan or anything else

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 06:07, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 19:51, Mark Wagner wrote: > >> If you use "shop=mobile_home" as the top-level tag, it'll almost never >> be tagged correctly in the United States. In the US, a >> "shop=mobile_home" is this: >> > Same thing in Australia.

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Warin
On 15/01/19 23:53, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 15.01.2019 um 00:29 schrieb Dave Swarthout: Now, if we could only get rid of tourism_caravan_site and replace it with tourism=campground. Sigh. That'll never happen but it should. whoow - please do not stumble over the next misleading OSM-keys.

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 19:51, Mark Wagner wrote: > If you use "shop=mobile_home" as the top-level tag, it'll almost never > be tagged correctly in the United States. In the US, a > "shop=mobile_home" is this: > Therefore nothing suggested so far is going to work. relocatable_residence anyone?

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:59:35 + Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 22:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal > > word! Should know better by now :-) > > > > Yeah, where are the camels? It's not a proper caravan

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.01.2019 um 14:43 schrieb Marc Gemis: On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:55 PM Georg Feddern wrote: tourism=caravan_site is the one where you (at least in Europe) only can stay with motorhomes (selfpropelled) - but not with caravans (towed). but the wiki states on

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:55 PM Georg Feddern wrote: > > tourism=caravan_site is the one where you (at least in Europe) only can > stay with motorhomes (selfpropelled) - but not with caravans (towed). > but the wiki states on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site "A

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.01.2019 um 00:29 schrieb Dave Swarthout: Now, if we could only get rid of tourism_caravan_site and replace it with tourism=campground. Sigh. That'll never happen but it should. whoow - please do not stumble over the next misleading OSM-keys. ;-) I think you mean tourism=camp_site,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:01 PM Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Round and round we go and ne'er the twain shall meet. > > Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels > from place to place in a mobile home. > Except when you live in Flanders, as we use "Mobilhome" for

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
I could live with two pages. A shop=caravan and a shop=recreational_vehicles cross-referenced to one another. It will be clear from the description that such recreational_vehicles contain kitchens, bathrooms, living quarters, and are not towed while the caravan page can specify the same but be

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 08:50, Paul Allen wrote: > > RV may not be only American, but it's still not UK English. > Of course, you are correct Paul, I was forgetting for a moment that OSM is supposed to be British English throughout (although we all know that that's not really true!). Minor

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2019, at 23:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > OK, so take it out to the full =recreational_vehicle I would still consider this not obvious in meaning, recreational doesn’t convey that it is about sleeping, cooking, ablutions etc. in the vehicle. caravan and

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 22:45, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > >> Except, of course, that "RV" is American English. >> > > True, except: > >

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 07:24, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 21:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> type=powered / towed; >> > > Except, from the definitions I've seen, it excludes static caravans. > Which are mobile (even if only > moved infrequently) but are not vehicles. >

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I’d like to discourage use of the term rv, it is an abbreviation and I believe is more difficult to understand for non natives than the other options. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 21:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Been thinking about exactly that overnight! > > So, change this main page to shop=rv, with type=powered / towed; sells; > parts; rental etc etc; & also "See also" of 4WD / SUV see shop=car; quad > bikes see shop=motorbike etc > Except,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 19:46, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Americans would call them travel trailers, or camper trailers, and I would > also categorize fifth-wheel campers as trailers, despite their sometimes > enormous size, because they are pulled by a separate vehicle. > Yep, agree with you To

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2019, at 14:16, Paul Allen wrote: > > In what way is a static caravan irrevocably immobile to the extent that a > house made of bricks is? I’ve a counter example, never say never, TRANSLOCATION KAISERSAAL https://www.sonycenter.de/en/architecture “During

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Steve Doerr
On 13/01/2019 23:42, Warin wrote: On 14/01/19 09:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal word! Should know better by now :-) On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 21:58, Paul Allen > wrote: However, there does appear to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 13:01, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels > from place to place in a mobile home. > Yes, it's rare for people to use a generic term when a specific term is available. But we're trying to find a generic

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
Round and round we go and ne'er the twain shall meet. Mobile home simply will not work in this use case. Nobody camps or travels from place to place in a mobile home. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:01 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 22:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> Wow, so

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 22:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal word! > Should know better by now :-) > Yeah, where are the camels? It's not a proper caravan without camels. Have a question about searching though, which was raised

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Jan 2019, at 02:15, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The mandate to use UK English in tags breaks down when UK English > lacks the vocabulary! +1, we‘ve seen this in other fields as well, e.g. the distinction of „Burg“ and „Schloss“ in German, which somehow translate both

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
Americans would call them travel trailers, or camper trailers, and I would also categorize fifth-wheel campers as trailers, despite their sometimes enormous size, because they are pulled by a separate vehicle. Paul wrote earlier: In the US the term RV is a blanket term covering self-propelled,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 13, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > So what do you call "little houses on wheels that are towed behind your car > to stay in when you go on holidays"? :-) > > Are they just "trailers" > > Thanks > > Graeme “Travel trailers”. A generic plain “trailer” is probably

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 11:16, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Just to be a little pedantic, 'motorhome' would also fit the big > fifth-wheel units towed behind a monstrous great pickup - > I would have said that a 5th-wheeler would have been put in with towed "caravans", as it doesn't have it's own motor.

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 7:54 PM Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Nope, a mobile home is not the same as an RV or travel_trailer. Have a look > at the illustrations on the Wikipedia page. It is, as the Wikipedia > definition says, a prefabricated structure meant for permanent living. It has > wheels,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Warin
On 14/01/19 11:52, Dave Swarthout wrote: Nope, a mobile home is not the same as an RV or travel_trailer. Have a look at the illustrations on the Wikipedia page. It is, as the Wikipedia definition says, a prefabricated structure meant for permanent living. It has wheels, hence the mobile part

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
Il giorno lun, 14/01/2019 alle 10.42 +1100, Warin ha scritto: > On 14/01/19 09:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Dave Swarthout
Nope, a mobile home is not the same as an RV or travel_trailer. Have a look at the illustrations on the Wikipedia page. It is, as the Wikipedia definition says, a prefabricated structure meant for permanent living. It has wheels, hence the mobile part of its name but it's moved very infrequently,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Warin
On 14/01/19 09:07, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal word! Should know better by now :-) On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 21:58, Paul Allen > wrote: However, there does appear to be a better term.  From

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal word! Should know better by now :-) On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 21:58, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 09:10, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> Graeme mentioned propulsion so I assumed we were talking about what in >> the U.S.

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Paul Allen
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 09:10, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Back to the caravan vs motorhome distinction for a moment. By the way, > Martin's page was in regard to access, so it's not so relevant to this > discussion except to acknowledge that the term motorhome is in existence. > Graeme mentioned

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jan 2019, at 11:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > However .. any new language will evolve and diverge, so it will eventually > end up like English ... confused. any language will be optimized for the context in which it evolved, so German would be

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Warin
On 13/01/19 20:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 13. Jan 2019, at 09:51, Dave Swarthout wrote: I have no personal knowledge of the word caravan. To me, it makes no sense at all to label anything having wheels as a caravan when everyone knows a caravan is a string of

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Dave Swarthout
Back to the caravan vs motorhome distinction for a moment. By the way, Martin's page was in regard to access, so it's not so relevant to this discussion except to acknowledge that the term motorhome is in existence. Graeme mentioned propulsion so I assumed we were talking about what in the U.S.

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Dave Swarthout
Warin, You're in Australia, right? When I was traveling in New Zealand I'm pretty sure they called small motorhomes caravans. But maybe not. I have no personal knowledge of the word caravan. To me, it makes no sense at all to label anything having wheels as a caravan when everyone knows a caravan

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
while my dictionary also states that motorhome is an American term, we already have it established as access tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:motorhome Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Warin
On 13/01/19 19:06, Dave Swarthout wrote: >Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that would be a good coverall term?) I would prefer that but it's an American term. We might as well just stay with caravan. Plus, I do think the tag you're proposing could, with enough

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Dave Swarthout
>Possibly a separate page again for shop=motorhome? (I think that would be a good coverall term?) I would prefer that but it's an American term. We might as well just stay with caravan. Plus, I do think the tag you're proposing could, with enough thought, be made to work for all types of

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 13:06, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I'm assuming that this tagging scheme is also for a shop that sells only > caravan parts and accessories but not caravans. > No, I've tried to set it up selling (dealer) as well as parts, repair & rental. Any other options you can think of,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 12:13, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi wrote: > > Ok, so I don't know why but I just added the type=value parameter to > the ValueDescription template and it looks good now. > That's got it! (but no idea of what that actually means! :-)) Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 12:13, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi wrote: > Il giorno dom, 13/01/2019 alle 11.26 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick ha > scritto: > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 09:44, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi < > > lomastr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Language links come from the

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Dave Swarthout
I'm assuming that this tagging scheme is also for a shop that sells only caravan parts and accessories but not caravans. There are any such shops scattered around the U.S. Also, I see you've decided not to be specific about the type or style of caravan sold. I would think caravan:style or

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
Il giorno dom, 13/01/2019 alle 11.26 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick ha scritto: > > > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 09:44, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi < > lomastr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Language links come from the shop=* page, probably because the page > > name is wrong :) > > Please use the Move action

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 09:44, Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi wrote: > > Language links come from the shop=* page, probably because the page > name is wrong :) > Please use the Move action under More and enter the name > "Tag:shop=caravan". > Thanks Lorenzo! Done, so page is now at

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-12 Thread Lorenzo Mastrogiacomi
Il giorno mar, 08/01/2019 alle 07.54 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick ha scritto: > > > Languages - how do I edit them all out? > > > > Still have to get rid of all the language options though & can't see > any way of doing that? > Language links come from the shop=* page, probably because the

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 16:17, Mark Wagner wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 07:54:00 +1000 > Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago / > > camper trailer etc, but then you get to the problem of what is > > difference between a camper van,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-08 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 07:54:00 +1000 Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago / > camper trailer etc, but then you get to the problem of what is > difference between a camper van, motorhome & Winnebago? In the (US) industry, the terminology

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Warin
I find using my own editor reduces the 'going back and forwards" on the new page. And I am more comfortable using it and storing it while I think on it before creating the new page. In general a couple of days between thought, creation and eventual creation is of benefit to my 'work'. On

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Paul, I'll try that "next" time! Thanks Graeme On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 08:24, Paul Allen wrote: > > That's the LONG way around. :) > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 21:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > As Warin suggested, I just went to shop=car, "Edit source", copied the > entire page, pasted it as a new text document (I use Open Office but I'd > think any "Word" program would work), made the necessary changes of > changing car to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 07:12, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > "sells" would be a tag I would use to describe what a shop sells. > > "service" is a tag used to describe "highway=service". > Should it be used with other things? Or is there some other word OSM can > use here? > Good

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 17:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) > Most of the problems have been sorted by a little bit of playing, plus an extra couple of fields added. Languages - how do I edit them all out? > Still have to get

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Warin
On 07/01/19 22:19, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 07.01.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) Seeing that apparently it's already been used 130 odd times, can I take that we don't actually have to RFC & vote on it? May be not

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Warin
Sorry for using a word that triggers some usage I had not intended. Keep asking as it does help explain things. On 07/01/19 21:41, Dave Swarthout wrote: Warin - I read through the documentation for Templates and the way it's used in Mediawiki applications like our Wiki is to define a piece of

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 07.01.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) Seeing that apparently it's already been used 130 odd times, can I take that we don't actually have to RFC & vote on it? May be not necessary to RFC & vote - but I think to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
Warin - I read through the documentation for Templates and the way it's used in Mediawiki applications like our Wiki is to define a piece of text, with or without photos, etc., as a reusable fragment that can be inserted in any page and if the original, the "template", is edited the changes

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
Graeme, You might have to change the picture and the rendering icon in the right "summary" bar. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:22 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) > > Known problems > > Languages - how do I edit them all out? > >

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) Known problems Languages - how do I edit them all out? service=parts has moved one box too far across Have to change the photo & (suggested) icon Wikidata reference Any & all other comments welcome! Seeing that apparently

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-06 Thread Warin
Errg .. so much trouble with words :-( In the example the "car" page is used as a 'prototype', a 'sample', a 'template' for the new page of "caravan". You could chose another page to act as your 'prototype'. I used "basketball" as a 'prototype' for "netball" as they are similar sports for

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-06 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 at 11:12, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is what I do .. it works and leaves the original page alone... > > 1) get the "car" template > On the page you want to copy Click on "edit Source" - Copy all of it and > paste it over to your your word processor as a new

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-06 Thread Dave Swarthout
@Warin Can you illustrate or explain the differences between editing a "template" and editing a simple page? When you save your edited version of the new page does it become a template? On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:12 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is what I do .. it works and

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-06 Thread Warin
This is what I do .. it works and leaves the original page alone... 1) get the "car" template On the page you want to copy Click on "edit Source" - Copy all of it and paste it over to your your word processor as a new document.  Exit out out this "Edit Source" without saving "cancel" I think is

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-06 Thread Dave Swarthout
Haha, Graeme. I am in the same boat when it comes to adding anything to the Wiki. Welcome to the arcane world of Wiki editing. I don't have an answer to your question. I only want to sympathize. Dave On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:35 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Recently asked what to tag some