On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:19, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 14:22, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 05:47, Paul Allen wrote:
>> > I think that coffee_shop and teahouse are not cuisines. I'm not convinced
>> > inventing drinks=* to show what they focus on is a good
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 19:36, 德泉 談 via Tagging
wrote:
>
> The proposal would introduce a new tag (maybe amenity=drinks or
> amenity=takeout_drinks or what). This kind of places sell beverages mostly
> with takeaway paper or plastic cup, people can drink in their home or
> office after buying.
>
>
在 2020年7月3日週五 22:32，Paul Allen 寫道：
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 14:43, Joseph Eisenberg
> wrote:
>
>> > description=* might be a better way of dealing with it (if the name of
>> the
>> place doesn't give it away).
>>
>> No, that is a bad idea. The "description" field does not provide
>> consistent
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 14:43, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> > description=* might be a better way of dealing with it (if the name of
> the
> place doesn't give it away).
>
> No, that is a bad idea. The "description" field does not provide
> consistent data. It is always preferable to use a new, more
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 14:22, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 05:47, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> > I think that coffee_shop and teahouse are not cuisines. I'm not
> convinced
> > inventing drinks=* to show what they focus on is a good idea and that
> > description=* might be a
> description=* might be a better way of dealing with it (if the name of the
place doesn't give it away).
No, that is a bad idea. The "description" field does not provide consistent
data. It is always preferable to use a new, more specific tag.
One of the basic ideas of OpenStreetMap is "Any
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:36, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote:
> I think I may redraft a feature proposal for the shop focusing providing
> takeout beverages or only have very limit seats and merge the bubble tea shop
> proposal into it. Right now we have amenity=cafe and shop=beverages for those
> sell
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 10:36, 德泉 談 via Tagging
wrote:
>
> This kind of places may focus on different drinks: coffee/iced
> tea/juice/bubble tea/etc... We can use the existing cuisine=* tag or a new
> tag for example drinks=juice to distinguish what they focus on, and
> drink:*=yes to show if a
I think I may redraft a feature proposal for the shop focusing providing
takeout beverages or only have very limit seats and merge the bubble tea shop
proposal into it. Right now we have amenity=cafe and shop=beverages for those
sell drinks. Actually I'm not sure that if the feature of a
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> On 29. Jun 2020, at 15:27, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> Rice yoghurt ->
> https://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2020/02/06/are-rice-yoghurt-drinks-new-drink-craze
>
> Fruit Tea -> https://yifangfruitt.com/
are yoghurt drinks... question mark
Let’s discuss these when there
在 2020年6月29日週一 20:12，Andrew Harvey 寫道：
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 21:17, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>> > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like
>> amenity=drinks or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as
I don't think that use tags like cuisine=japanese or italian is a good idea for
cafes.
在 2020年6月29日 星期一 下午9:26:30 [GMT+8]， Andrew Harvey 寫道：
> Sorry I wasn't aware of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drink, that
> makes a lot of sense.
>
> As an aside, it might make sense then to use
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 14:27, Andrew Harvey
wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 22:21, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> As an aside, it might make sense then to use drink:*= as the kind of drink
> (chocolate) and cuisine=* to refer to the style/way it is prepared.
>
If it's a place only selling drinks, and
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 22:21, Paul Allen wrote:
> Why cuisine=* rather than drink:*=yes for chocolate drinks? I consider
> cuisine
> to apply to food, not beverages. Soup and ice cream are edge cases, but
> chocolate
> drinks don't count as food as far as I'm concerned.
>
Sorry I wasn't aware
Actually we have a very similar problem with tagging a "Tejivó" in
Hungary (literally a "place to drink milk"). It's conceptually very
similar to a café (coffeehouse...), but the coffee offering isn't that
pronounced (other than using their own milk). Rather, they serve a
huge variety of dairy
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> On 29. Jun 2020, at 14:12, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> So we have a first level tag for fruit_tea, purple_yogurt, milk_tea,
> bubble_tea, fresh_squeezed_juice, blended_juice, milkshake, smoothie? It's
> too long tail and breaks down when you have a shop that sells a mixture
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 13:12, Andrew Harvey
wrote:
>
> So we have a first level tag for fruit_tea, purple_yogurt, milk_tea,
> bubble_tea, fresh_squeezed_juice, blended_juice, milkshake, smoothie? It's
> too long tail and breaks down when you have a shop that sells a mixture of
> those instead of
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 21:17, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> > On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey
> wrote:
> >
> > I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like
> amenity=drinks or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to
> shop=beverages which is more a shop
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> On 29. Jun 2020, at 12:18, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like amenity=drinks
> or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to shop=beverages
> which is more a shop that has pre-made bottled drinks which you
The way I see it these are essentially vendors which primarily sell made to
order drinks and mostly take away only (although some provide seating).
I think it's better to have some kind of high level tag like amenity=drinks
or shop=drinks which you order at a counter (as opposed to shop=beverages
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> On 27. Jun 2020, at 23:16, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>
> I wish you much luck convincing iD not to apply its presets ("upgrade tags")
> for those Starbucks locations that don't have seating.
we are not discussing iD presets on this list, it is about tagging.
Cheers
Don't know if it's only an Aussie thing (yet again! :-)), but we have (at
least) one franchise of shops called Boost Juice
https://www.boostjuice.com.au/, which only serve varieties of fruit juice &
smoothies.
Every one of them that I have seen are kiosks inside shopping centres, with
no seating
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 23:07, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>
> And then someone comes round and "upgrades tags" to match iD brand presets
> :)
>
Ah.
The actual problem (last time I tried upgrading tags with iD) is that it
doesn't
tell you what it's going to change, it doesn't tell you what it has
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 17:52 Paul Allen, wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 22:16, Jarek Piórkowski
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I wish you much luck convincing iD not to apply its presets ("upgrade
>> tags") for those Starbucks locations that don't have seating. I tried
>> insisting on tagging a local
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 22:16, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>
> I wish you much luck convincing iD not to apply its presets ("upgrade
> tags") for those Starbucks locations that don't have seating. I tried
> insisting on tagging a local location's actual posted name ("Starbucks
> Coffee") and lost
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 11:10 Martin Koppenhoefer,
wrote:
>
> > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:59, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> >
> > Even if it [a Starbucks location]
> > was just a kiosk I would still tag amenity=cafe for consistency.
>
>
> if it were just a kiosk you should not tag it as amenity=cafe,
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> On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:59, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>
> Even if it
> was just a kiosk I would still tag amenity=cafe for consistency.
if it were just a kiosk you should not tag it as amenity=cafe, exactly for this
reason: consistency.
Cheers Martin
On 6/27/20 09:55, Philip Barnes wrote:
> Starbucks in my experience has seating, I am unaware of any which are
> takeaway only.
There are a couple out here that have outdoor seating only. Even if it
was just a kiosk I would still tag amenity=cafe for consistency.
--
Shawn K. Quinn
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 09:48 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On 6/27/20 09:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you
> > say “food and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get only
> > things to drink and nothing to eat might seem a
On 6/27/20 09:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you
> say “food and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get only
> things to drink and nothing to eat might seem a bit strange?
>
> The fast food term has also some connotations
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 16:33 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:03, Philip Barnes
> > wrote:
> >
> > I would call that a takeaway in everyday language which we map as
> > fast food in OSM.
>
> I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea,
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> On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:03, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
> I would call that a takeaway in everyday language which we map as fast food
> in OSM.
I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you say “food
and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get
On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> FWIW, I also believe these are very different from shop=beverages, as
> they are selling drinks ready to consume, while shop=beverages is a
> kind of shop that sells beverages to take home (while nothing
> prevents you from buying a
I believe many mappers are confused a lot for choosing the right tag just like
me.
So if we have a normal coffee house providing coffee and have seat we use
* amenity=cafe + cuisine=coffee_shop (but the cuisine tag is not included in iD
preset so many users do not add them)
and if it is only a
Jun 26, 2020, 18:41 by pla16...@gmail.com:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jarek Piórkowski <> ja...@piorkowski.ca> >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:50, Paul Allen <>> pla16...@gmail.com>> > wrote:
>> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:31, 德泉 談 via Tagging <>>
>> tagging@openstreetmap.org>>
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:41:31 +0100
Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jarek Piórkowski
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I would suggest using an amenity tag rather than a shop tag since
> > it's much more like a cafe or a fast food place than a store.
> >
>
> I can see that it's more like
There is a tag shop=tea
According to the wiki
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dtea) this
is supposed to be used for shops which sell tea leaves and bags of tea
leaves for consumption at home or elsewhere.
However, in practice many shop=tea features are "tea houses" which sell
Am Fr., 26. Juni 2020 um 19:47 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen :
> In British English we have tea shops - they also sell coffee and food. We
> have
> coffee shops - they also sell tea and food. Functionally, they are cafes,
> as
> OSM tags define that term.
>
I believe it is an omission of the early
FWIW, I also believe these are very different from shop=beverages, as they
are selling drinks ready to consume, while shop=beverages is a kind of shop
that sells beverages to take home (while nothing prevents you from buying a
single drink and consume it as soon as you leave the shop, this is not
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:56, Joseph Eisenberg
wrote:
> I also think amenity=bubble_tea is more appropriate, but shop=bubble_tea
> is fine.
>
I still thing they sell beverages and bubble_tea happens to be one of those
beverages. That's why we have drink:*=yes.
>
> Using amenity=cafe seems
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:50, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
Still not sure why we can't just use cafe. Is "cafe" exclusively for
> sit-down, dine-in places in British English?
>
British English usage is always slippery (because of marketers) but
I'd say that a cafe offers some sort of food somewhere
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:49, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:50, Paul Allen wrote:
>> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:31, 德泉 談 via Tagging <
>> tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've drafted a new proposal about
I also think amenity=bubble_tea is more appropriate, but shop=bubble_tea is
fine.
Using amenity=cafe seems wrong. An amenity=cafe has "sit-down facilities"
according to the wiki.
Also the word "cafe" is from "coffee" - at least in the USA and Indonesia
these places always sell coffee, unlike a
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 12:42, Paul Allen wrote:
>> It's basically a cafe. It prepares drinks to order. Best tagging I've
>> seen around me is amenity=cafe + cuisine=bubble_tea
>
> As described in the proposal, most lack seating. Which makes those
> without seating shops rather than cafes.
This
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jarek Piórkowski wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:50, Paul Allen wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:31, 德泉 談 via Tagging <
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've drafted a new proposal about the bubble tea shops which are very
> common in Taiwan
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 11:50, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:31, 德泉 談 via Tagging
> wrote:
>>
>> I've drafted a new proposal about the bubble tea shops which are very common
>> in Taiwan which are usually mismapped as shop=beverages
>>
>>
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 16:31, 德泉 談 via Tagging
wrote:
> I've drafted a new proposal about the bubble tea shops which are very
> common in Taiwan which are usually mismapped as shop=beverages
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/shop%3Dbubble_tea
Looking at your proposal, I
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