Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

14 lip 2019, 15:26 od dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: >> >> From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in front >> and back, so it would make sense to tag the gardens different than the >>

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That's what I meant. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 15:29 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in > front and

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sent from a phone > On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: > > From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in front > and back, so it would make sense to tag the gardens different than the > residential area. While I am all in favor of being detailed with

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On 14/07/19 16:48, Pee Wee wrote: Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis >: On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee mailto:piewi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a private wood / forest in a

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Residential gardens in Nederland, as along as people refer to those as "My front garden" even when completely paved to support one tree-in-a-pot, are leisure things. From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in front and back, so it would make sense to tag the gardens

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> > > 1. Has this issue been discussed before and if so … what was the > outcome? > > 2. If not… do you agree with me that private front/back garden > should not be tagged with leisure=garden but with a non-leisure tag? (if > so… any suggestions? And what about private "gardens" that

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> Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different amenity-key ? > No, we refine this with additional tags. > This method can be applied to private gardens

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Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis : > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different

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On 14/07/19 04:44, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:17:18AM +1000, Warin wrote: Some private gardens that front the street are publicly visible, I see no reason not to map them. The 'usability' in this instance is visible and, sometimes,scents. The same reason i do not map my

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On 13/07/19 20:44, Florian Lohoff wrote: The same reason i do not map my kitchen sink as a natural=water/water=pond Its not for the public leisure. I don't know if the issue here is public leisure (in this case it's maybe better to change the key "leisure" with something else), but I see

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sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2019, at 19:55, Philip Barnes wrote: > > You can of course just walk across when there is a gap in the traffic, > walking would be very restricted if you only crossed roads at crossings. while I agree in principle, the legal situation in many countries is

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On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:17:18AM +1000, Warin wrote: > Some private gardens that front the street are publicly visible, I see > no reason not to map them. > > The 'usability' in this instance is visible and, sometimes,scents. The same reason i do not map my kitchen sink as a

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I would not recommend to try to cross a roundabout in Italy like that for your own safety. I don't know if it is forbidden explicitly. On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 at 19:56, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 16:56 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > On 13. Jul

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On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 16:56 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > On 13. Jul 2019, at 16:36, Tom Pfeifer > wrote: > > > Why 'private' if it is a public roundabout? > > If it not allowed to trample the flowers down, wouldn't access=no > > be more appropriate? > > it is often

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sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2019, at 16:36, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > Why 'private' if it is a public roundabout? > If it not allowed to trample the flowers down, wouldn't access=no be more > appropriate? it is often not accessible, because no crossings lead there and you are not allowed

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On 13.07.2019 09:35, Volker Schmidt wrote: I have tagged many planted centre pieces of roundabouts as leisure=garden, access=private in lack of better alternatives. Why 'private' if it is a public roundabout? If it not allowed to trample the flowers down, wouldn't access=no be more

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I have tagged many planted centre pieces of roundabouts as leisure=garden, access=private in lack of better alternatives. On Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 02:18 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/07/19 21:00, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:23:01AM +0200, Pee Wee wrote: > >>

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On 12/07/19 21:00, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:23:01AM +0200, Pee Wee wrote: Hi all I would like your opinion on the next issue. meaning on may 3, 2010 when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia garden description that refers to private gardens. In

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On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 at 10:51, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/07/19 19:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > Public toilet: amenity=toilets > Private toilet: not tagged (so not tagged > like a public one) > > I am unable to link to well tagged private > toilets as in this case private

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On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:23:01AM +0200, Pee Wee wrote: > Hi all > I would like your opinion on the next issue. > meaning on may 3, 2010 when someone added a description of “Garden” from > the Wikipedia garden description that refers to private gardens. In order > to differentiate from the

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12 Jul 2019, 11:50 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 12/07/19 19:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> >> >> 12 Jul 2019, 10:11 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >>> On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> sent from a phone

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On 12/07/19 19:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 12 Jul 2019, 10:11 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: Why would a private garden require a

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12 Jul 2019, 10:11 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: >>> >>> Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a >>> private wood / forest in a different way than

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On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 at 08:13, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Indeed. A private garden is often used for leisure and is a garden. One might perhaps argue for different tagging to describe a private garden used for growing vegetables and which the

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On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible by the public? Do private parking lots get a

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sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different amenity-key ? > No, we refine

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I'm fine with leisure=garden for private/common/public gardens Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 07:24 schreef Pee Wee : > Hi all > > > I would like your opinion on the next issue. > > > On the Dutch forum (googletranslate >

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On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > I understand but numbers don't always say much. A great part of this number > is caused by an (afaik undocumentend and highly arbitrary) import in the > city of Tilburg > and how many private, residential gardens are mapped (around the

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I understand but numbers don't always say much. A great part of this number is caused by an (afaik undocumentend and highly arbitrary) import in the city of Tilburg Cheers Peter Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 08:18 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>:

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sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2019, at 07:23, Pee Wee wrote: > > It seems to me that OSM leisure=garden wiki changed meaning on may 3, 2010 > when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia garden > description that refers to private gardens Frankly, I believe it is too

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Am 07.12.2013 00:11, schrieb Peter Wendorff: IMHO the whole area may be a residential area, and residential includes residential highways, houses, small parks and much more, But I wouldn't say the whole area is a garden, so a garden should only be tagged where there is a garden or mainly a

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2013/12/7 cracklinrain cra_klinr...@gmx.de If there is no clear border of the area, it is recommended to use a node to describe the object. I do not agree with this part, a garden should have a clear border, or at least the mapper will have to decide where it ends. Usually it shouldn't be

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On 12/07/2013 01:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/12/7 cracklinrain cra_klinr...@gmx.de mailto:cra_klinr...@gmx.de If there is no clear border of the area, it is recommended to use a node to describe the object. I do not agree with this part, a garden should have a clear

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2013/12/7 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com In US usage, a garden is an area set aside for deliberate cultivation of plants; in UK usage, the entire area of land surrounding a house is a garden, whether you are cultivating plants, have it covered in grass, or are just letting it grow

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Am 06.12.2013 um 02:05 schrieb Masi Master: I think we don't should tag something at a private (really private) ground in a residential (except the house, entrance and way to it). IMO we don't need any private things like swimmingpools, ways, trees, sandboxes or playgrounds at the backyard

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2013/12/6 Masi Master masi-mas...@gmx.de I think we don't should tag something at a private (really private) ground in a residential (except the house, entrance and way to it). IMO we don't need any private things like swimmingpools, ways, trees, sandboxes or playgrounds at the backyard in

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Am 06.12.2013 13:09, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: What is the argument for putting the house, the entrance and the private way then? IMHO we can map private trees, and I also like to map private swimming pools. Of course you can map private fences, walls etc., and why not map a private

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I agree with Martin. Also the fact that an object (parking, garden, swimming pool) is private is in itself useful information for the general public. You might for example see a parking or garden on aerial imagery, and wonder if it's possible to go there. Related question: if someone decides to

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I think we should tag private backyards with surveillance=yes, even if surveillance is executed by a satellite et not a surveillance camera. :-) nounours77 Am 05.12.2013 um 18:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/12/5 Wolfgang Hinsch osm-lis...@ivkasogis.de how should it be tagged? Is it

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Am 06.12.2013 13:26, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: I agree with Martin. Also the fact that an object (parking, garden, swimming pool) is private is in itself useful information for the general public. You might for example see a parking or garden on aerial imagery, and wonder if it's possible to

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:-) http://bigfatfrog67.me On 06/12/2013 12:32, nounours wrote: I think we should tag private backyards with surveillance=yes, even if surveillance is executed by a satellite et not a surveillance camera. :-) nounours77 Am 05.12.2013 um 18:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2013/12/5

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Am 06/dic/2013 um 13:39 schrieb cracklinrain cra_klinr...@gmx.de: Well, I would say a stone garden without plants is probably still a garden. But an area made of concrete is still a (small) yard or else. If it's too strange it should be tagged as artwork maybe. But by definition it

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For example to render view of city from OSM data also data about private gardens, trees, swimming pools etc are necessary. On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 04:26:18 -0800 Matthijs Melissen lt;i...@matthijsmelissen.nlgt; wrote I agree with Martin. Also the fact that an object (parking, garden,

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On 06/12/2013 02:05, Masi Master wrote: I think we don't should tag something at a private (really private) ground in a residential (except the house, entrance and way to it). IMO we don't need any private things like swimmingpools, ways, trees, sandboxes or playgrounds at the backyard in the

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2013/12/7 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de IMHO the whole area may be a residential area, and residential includes residential highways, houses, small parks and much more, But I wouldn't say the whole area is a garden, so a garden should only be tagged where there is a garden or

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It should not be changed, garden is garden - private or not. Filtering out access=private to show only public ones is trivial. I see also no arguments for changing meaning of tag used over 150k times. On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 01:37:06 -0800 cracklinrain lt;cra_klinr...@gmx.degt; wrote

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2013/12/5 cracklinrain cra_klinr...@gmx.de What do you think? have a look at garden:type and garden:style if you are interested in further details: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Garden_specification cheers, Martin ___

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2013/12/5 Wolfgang Hinsch osm-lis...@ivkasogis.de how should it be tagged? Is it ok to tag the whole residential area between the streets as one leisure=garden including all buildings etc. or shall every garden be tagged as leisure=garden separately in it's place and only there? I would

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Am 05.12.2013 18:46, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: I would only use it on the effective garden area, overlapping the landuse=residential area. Buildings and non-garden areas should not be included. This in combination with garden:type and garden:style does make sense. But until now I did not

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2013/12/5 cracklinrain cra_klinr...@gmx.de Some building=hut maybe included - in my opinion this does not matter. if it's in the garden, why not. Actually usually gardens are distinct from each other. How will you map this? I mean leisure=garden is not like landuse covering hundreds of

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+1, it seems quite obvious. On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 09:46:55 -0800 Martin Koppenhoefer lt;dieterdre...@gmail.comgt; wrote 2013/12/5 Wolfgang Hinsch lt;osm-lis...@ivkasogis.degt; how should it be tagged? Is it ok to tag the whole residential area between the streets as one

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I think we don't should tag something at a private (really private) ground in a residential (except the house, entrance and way to it). IMO we don't need any private things like swimmingpools, ways, trees, sandboxes or playgrounds at the backyard in the OSM database. Cheers, Masi Am

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Am 06.12.2013 02:05, schrieb Masi Master: I think we don't should tag something at a private (really private) ground in a residential (except the house, entrance and way to it). IMO we don't need any private things like swimmingpools, ways, trees, sandboxes or playgrounds at the backyard in