, Garrel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:41 PM
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Pierre,
If I were managing the group, my decision would be based
on the abilities of Philippe (page designer) and Mike
2003 21:27
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Subject: Re: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
This is an interesting discussion. As the spec lead for JSTL,
I'm always interested in hearing about the practical experiences
people have with the technology.
Lyndon mentioned
Pierre Delisle wrote:
Also, I'd be very interested in hearing about the type of
environment you work in for the development of dynamic
web applications. That should help us understand as a community
the usage profiles and their bias :-)
Thanks,
-- Pierre
All of the discussion so far on
From past experience there are alot of people who like
the cold fusion style of page authoring. If you've
ever looked at cold fusion tags and page syntax, JSTL
is very similar.
Even though tag like syntax has been around for a
while, many people are still unconfortable with them.
There's
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Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:03 AM
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From past experience there are alot of people who like
the cold fusion style of page authoring. If you've
ever looked at cold fusion
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From past experience there are alot of people who like
the cold fusion style of page authoring. If you've
ever looked at cold fusion tags and page syntax, JSTL
Here is an example off the top of my head. It will be
grossly over generalized, but it is still useful.
Asssuming you have three individuals with specialized
duties:
1. page designer - ie the graphics guy who makes
things look great
2. html coder - knows every nook and cranny of
browsers, what
Ideally, applications will be designed using the Web MVC paradigm, so
view pages will contain only view logic. However, in a complex
application, using even the most popular frameworks (Struts, for
instance), it's still difficult to completely avoid using scriptlets or
scriptlet expressions. If
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Sent: Dienstag, 4. Februar 2003 17:47
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Subject: RE: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
JSTL or not, I'd say that non-Java programmers can write JSPs
only if the
project has some very strict guidelines and very good
documentation
they need a good
documentation (Javadoc in our case) of the objects which they can use.
Best regards,
Eric
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Sent: Dienstag, 4. Februar 2003 17:47
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though.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:01 PM
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I disagree... By using a scriptfree TLD (as described in JSTL
over JSP.
That's just my opinion though.
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I disagree... By using
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Jerome Jacobsen wrote:
What does Javadoc document? Java. I think it is too much to ask most page
designers to understand JavaBeans which means understanding Java types
(primitive, wrappers, Collections, Maps). And then they'd need to
understand this Expression
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I disagree... By using a scriptfree TLD (as described in JSTL In
Action),
you can very well restrict your web designers to use only JSTL
(or whatever
Jerome Jacobsen wrote:
What does Javadoc document? Java. I think it is too much to ask most page
designers to understand JavaBeans which means understanding Java types
(primitive, wrappers, Collections, Maps). And then they'd need to
understand this Expression Language and its type
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Subject: RE: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
I disagree... By using a scriptfree TLD (as described in JSTL In
Action),
you can very well restrict your web designers to use only JSTL
(or whatever
tags you want them to use). Our web designers aren't allow
Hello-
Forgive my comments as they are not technical. Just observations I have made on a few
projects over the past couple months.
Since there are very few java programmers who are designers, and vice versa - there
must be a comfortable zone where designers/developers can integrate their
Renick
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From: Felipe Schnack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Non Java Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
But your designers can handle EL when they need to?
And I never say any
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello-
Forgive my comments as they are not technical. Just observations I have made on a
few projects over the past couple months.
Since there are very few java programmers who are designers, and vice versa - there
must be a comfortable zone where
Renick, Garrel wrote:
This is an interesting topic, and people obviously have
strong opinions about successes and failures at using
this technology within their work environments.
My viewpoint is that JSTL provides a nice set of
features that most page designers with some programming
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 16:51, Pierre Delisle wrote:
How much of a stretch is it to get Philippe (assuming typical knowledge of
JavaScript a designer would have) to use JSTL so he can have full control
over the pages of the website?
Or is it simply easier to just forget about training
Developers, programmers using JSTL and taglibs
Renick, Garrel wrote:
This is an interesting topic, and people obviously have
strong opinions about successes and failures at using
this technology within their work environments.
My viewpoint is that JSTL provides a nice set of
features
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