Re: speech synthesizers

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

As do I.
There are many newer ones which say they are human sounding, they are not,
and in my opinion they are not as clear as easy to understand as the
venerable DecTalk
I wish I could get it on my iPhone.

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, CJ  MAY via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I originally used Dectalk Express and despite the wide choice of much more
> human voices, I still prefer to use Dectalk Access 32.
>
> Alison
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Re: history of window eyes

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I started using Vocal-eyes 2.0 in late 1991. Hard to believe it will be 25
years soon since then. GW micro was a great company and I always love
dealing with it.
  It doesn't look good now, and I will just say, I shall never, ever, use
Jaws. I do not care about new management or new ownership. It is tainted
beyond repair with me. Besides that, there are certain things they still
cannot do right.
  I will continue to use what I have, and perhaps use NVDA if necessary. At
some point, I expect to transition to iOS full-time.
Doug was and is a wonderful person and we all benefited greatly from his
efforts.

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Waw what a nostalgia this morning, I remember that my first computer that
> ever used was the Amstrad PC with 5.25inch floppy disk and with the votrax
> type n' talk speech synthesizer.  Later I switch to  the double talk speech
> synthesizer and the ASAP for dos screen reader, at that time the
> WordPerfect 5.1 word processor was the best accessible word processor for
> us the blind. Although today I'm feeling comfortable with Microsoft word,
> but I'm still missing that WordPerfect for DOS.
>
> Anyway, as they say, every good thing, sometimes comes to an end. Now it
> is the time for window eyes unfortunately.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Micallef
> Officer in charge of ICT Accessibility Certification
> and ICT Training for Persons with a Visual Impairment
>
> Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility (FITA)
>
> Email:
> Office:
> URL:
> FB:
> michael.mical...@gov.mt 
> +356 2599 2343
> http://www.fitamalta.eu
> http://on.fb.me/1hCRTAx
>
> Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this
> e-mail
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef =
> gov...@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:25
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: history of window eyes
>
> Hi there!
>
> My first windows screen reader was Artic Winvision.  Yes I do like
> Window-Eyes, but I thought that Winvision was the easiest to configure
> on the fly as well as use straight from the box.  We have come along
> ways since then, and I really do appreciate the ease of use with W.E.
> My first and only DOS screen reader was called TinyTalk.  It was
> referred to as the poor man's screen reader since I only paid $75 for
> it. Just a bit of my history with screen readers.  Have a Good 1! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 18-Oct-16 10:54, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
> > Window bridge was the first windows screenreader I got for my first
> > windows computer, which was a Gateway 2000, with windows 98.  Pam.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: David Goldfield via Talk
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:52 PM
> > To: Jeff Samco ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: history of window eyes
> >
> > I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
> >
> > In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
> > Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
> > correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
> > have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
> > Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
> > May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
> > Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
> > a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
> > be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
> > 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
> > try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
> > name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
> > Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
> > Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
> > It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
> > library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
> > the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
> > screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
> > corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
> > about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
> > Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
> > more than a few years.
> >
> > This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
> > talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
> > technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
> > established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
> > locating it.
> >
> >
> >
> >   David Goldfield,

Re: history of window eyes

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Many of us still miss word perfect.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, David Goldfield via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I'd like to add a few tidbits to this most fascinating thread.
>
> In addition to the Windows screen readers which were mentioned,
> Synthavoice's Window Bridge came out sometime in 1992, if my memory is
> correct. While I have not used that screen reader, another one that many
> have forgotten is Windows Master, which was produced by Blazie
> Engineering for Windows 3.1. I began working for Blazie Engineering in
> May of 1991 and, at that time, they had a DOS screen reader called
> Speaksys. Speaksys cost $150 and only supported the Braille 'n Speak as
> a synthesizer. However, it was unique in that it also allowed the Bns to
> be used for Braille input to a PC and I believe it even supported Grade
> 2 input. Eventually, the screen reader was enhanced with new features to
> try and bring it in line with other DOS screen readers at that time. Its
> name was changed to PCMaster and its price was raised to $395.
> Eventually, a talented programmer named Daehee Lee was hired to write a
> Windows version of this screen reader, which was called Windows Master.
> It also used a Bns for output (and I think input) and supported the SSIL
> library of synthesizers as well. I believe Windows Master came out in
> the summer of 1992 and may well have been the third or fourth Windows
> screen reader at that time, although I'm certainly willing to be
> corrected if this is incorrect. Actually, I vaguely remember hearing
> about what I think was the first Windows screen reader before Window
> Bridge, although its name now escapes me and I don't think it lasted
> more than a few years.
>
> This thread reminds me of a blog post from Chris Hoffstader (sp) who
> talked about the importance of those of us who have memories of this
> technology to document it online for posterity. I thought he had
> established a wiki for that purpose but my recent searches aren't
> locating it.
>
>
>
>David Goldfield,
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> Feel free to visit my Web site
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info
>
> On 10/17/2016 11:18 PM, Jeff Samco via Talk wrote:
> > Yes, Malcom Holser wrote the original Vocal-Eyes for my use. Malcom
> > was very gifted in many ways. He was a coworker as I worked as an
> > interpretive ranger in Yosemite.  In 1985 we went in together and
> > purchased a used IBM PC 8086 with 256 KB of RAM and 2 double-sided
> > 5.25-inch floppy disc drives. Since it was used it only cost us
> > $3,000! Malcolm learned to program in assembler in writing Vocal-Eyes.
> > I also believe I was the first user of a screen reader to use Word
> > Perfect and alerted them to how well it worked with a screen reader. I
> > offered various suggestions to improve its accessibility. Many screen
> > reader users used this elegant and powerful word processor.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > At 11:41 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> >> I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
> >> Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
> >> screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries.  He had
> >> originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
> >> partially sighted.  I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
> >> Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
> >> so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was renamed
> >> Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he named his
> >> screen reader Vocal-Eyes.  Apparently Malcolm had no objection to
> >> that.  Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
> >> Malcolm.  Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
> >> know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
> >>> I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
> >>> of the story.
> >>> In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
> >>> Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of
> >>> computers. They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen
> >>> reader for DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which
> >>> I bought and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a
> >>> macro program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in
> >>> there, Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer
> >>> Aids released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech
> >>> synthesizer that used the SSI-263 speech chip that was common in
> >>> those days. Dan Wyrick did major work on that project. Near that
> >>> time Bill Grimm died.
> >>> Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
> >>> new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
> >>> The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
> >>> summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
> >>> JAWS for Windows. 

Re: dec access 32 software synthesizer

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

As I said, it only works with WE..

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016, Chris Grabowski via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You'll need to go to the sound card properties and turn off enhancements.
>
> This should make Decaccess more understandable.
>
> Remember, Decaccess hasn't changed in 20 years or so.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski =
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of brice
> Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> >
> Subject: dec access 32 software synthesizer
>
> Does anyone know if GW micro once sold copies of Dec Access 32  as a
> separate software synthesizer? I bought a copy and don't remember from who.
> I need another one for my laptop running win ten.  I've had allot of
> problems understanding what I'm hearing with dec access  32 that comes
> packaged with window eyes.
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Re: dec access 32 software synthesizer

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

There was a time, but they have not done so for many years. You cannot buy
it that way anymore, only included as part of WE.

On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Brice,
>
> As far as I know, they still sell it for $25 U.S., but it is intended only
> for use with Window-Eyes for Office.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of brice
> Mijares via Talk
> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2016 7:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> >
> Subject: dec access 32 software synthesizer
>
> Does anyone know if GW micro once sold copies of Dec Access 32  as a
> separate software synthesizer? I bought a copy and don't remember from
> who. I need another one for my laptop running win ten.  I've had allot
> of problems understanding what I'm hearing with dec access  32 that
> comes packaged with window eyes.
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Re: The future of Window-eyes

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Welcome to the world of being a customer of a private equity firm, nothing
good.


On Monday, October 3, 2016, Martin Brown via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hello Sky.
> I have listened to both podcasts, and would not be optimistic about the
> survival of Window-Eyes.
> I found very little about either podcast to give me even the smallest
> twinge
> of excitement about what will be new in JAWS 18 either. Audio Ducking would
> seem to be the revolutionary new idea for which I will be expected to give
> eternal thanks for. The software engineers must have lost a lot of sleep in
> order to come up with that 21st century break through. Good enough idea and
> useful, but come on chaps, not really worth the price of an SMA
>
> To be fair, there was also mention of further development in the support of
> complex web pages, whatever that means. Oh, and work is to continue on
> support for the Edge browser. In recent years, the only thing that I can
> say
> about Freedom Scientific, is that they no longer fail to disappoint me.
> Martin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+mbrown.brown4 =
> gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:15 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> >
> Subject: The future of Window-eyes
>
> Hello Window-Eyes users.  Sky here.  I wanted to update you guys on What's
> been happening at VFO Group, Particuarly in regards to Zoomtext, and
> Window-eyes. In September, 2 editions of FSCast came out regarding JAWS 18.
> One of the features that will be in JAWS 18 will be a talking mouse
> support.
> The guys at VFO group has said that They have plans to put the talking
> mouse
> support in Zoomtext, and make JAWS work with it. This made me laugh, as
> first of all, Zoomtext already has Window-eyes in it, called Fusion,
> secondly, Zoomtext, from my understanding, already has built in mouse
> support already with Fusion. No menschen of Window-eyes or even Fusion.  In
> the next FSCast, VFO went into more details on JAWS 18 and Zoomtext. What
> is
> going to happen is that in Zoomtext 11, JAWS and Zoomtext will be working
> together. I can honestly tell you that they also plan to put in a talking
> mouse support for MAGic, which will be released in 2017. This is not a good
> sign, and besides, Zoomtext and JAWS, would cost a lot more to buy, than it
> would cost to buy Zoomtext Fusion. At no point in the two FSCasts do they
> menschen what's going to happen with Window-eyes.
>
>
>
> If you guys would like to take a look at the two FSCasts, go to
>
>
>
>
>
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast131-JAWS_18_
> part1
> .mp3
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> and
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast132-JAWS_18_
> part2
> .mp3
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I also want to hear what the senior management from AI Squared have to say
> on the future.
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Re: Problem with shockwave (adobe) plug-in

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Shockwaves extremely old and dangerous, uninstall it.

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, JOHN RIEHL via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Does not using Flash degrade Windoweyes performance? By the way, I've
> noticed that even with Shockwave disabled, WE still locks up on ocdcasion.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Bahr [mailto:dcba...@gmail.com ]
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 8:26 PM
> To: 'JOHN RIEHL'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Problem with shockwave (adobe) plug-in
>
> Yep same issue here. Disabling the plugin doesn't let you run flash content
> obviously. This is an issue that Firefox has had in various forms for years
> now. The ideal solution would be for things to migrate from flash to html
> 5,
> but that'll be awhile. I just have noticed window-eyes being pretty
> sluggish
> in firefox as a result. There is always the option, too, of using an add-on
> like noscript or flashgot to disable or enable it at ones choosing.
>
> Hth
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dcbahr1 =
> gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Talk
> Sent: 09/23/2016 01:22 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'  >
> Subject: Problem with shockwave (adobe) plug-in
>
> Hi. Whenever I go to a website in Firefox (and IE too), I get a message
> saying that the Shockwave plugin is either busy or has stopped running. I
> then get an option to either stop the plug-in or continue. Whichever I do,
> Windoweyes crashes on that website and I have to go into Windows Task
> manager to close out Firefox.
>
> And sometimes that doesn't even work.
>
> A friend disabled the shockwave plug-in; now when I go to websites I get a
> message asking if I want to allow it.
>
> I have two questions: I understand that shockwave is the Adobe flash
> player.
> By disabling it, am I impairing Windoweyes in some way?
>
> And, second, how do I fix this problem without having to disable a plug-in
> that has worked fine until very recently?
>
> Thanks.  John
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Re: Pronunciation dictionary

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

punctuation is not allowed, and has never been allowed.

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016, Chris Grabowski via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Did you tab to "update entry and press space?
> Then you'd need to save the changes.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski =
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Smith,
> Veronica via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 3:27 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> >
> Subject: Pronunciation dictionary
>
> Now I have a new problem, it used to be and I am assuming it should still
> be, when you want a word spoken a certain way, you go to pronunciation and
> tab to original and type in the word, such as Mr. Then you tab to new word
> and you type in mister.  In my computer it reads the first only as M R.
> What am I missing?
> Veronica
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Re: Test of a reply since a new message has not hit the list disregard

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

to those of you who insist on spamming the list repeatedly. When you send a
message you do not get a copy of it

On Monday, August 15, 2016, Rick Thomas via Talk 
wrote:

> Test Only.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail =
> mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 5:59 AM
> To: Don Smith >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >
> Subject: RE: action query
>
> Hi,
> Go to verbosity/word/miscellaneous and turn off auto correct.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski =
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:00 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'  >
> Subject: action query
>
> Hi:
>
> Can Any body answer the question below for my friend?
>
>
>
> How to stop window eyes from saying. Actions, Undo auto actions,
>
> It is happening in word and also in notepad, in window eyes 9.5
>
> I have taken the smart tags off, so it is not that.
>
> It is doing it now in this email.
>
> It is after you type in a line, then when you up arrow to text already
> there, and it does it on every line, and is a  pain in the you know what.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
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Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will Surprise You!

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Unbelievable, his credibility is at zero, only because it cannot be lower.

On Thursday, August 11, 2016, John Farley via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Vaughan, thank you for that insight into that article.
>
> My own, unreasearched view, is that any free screen reader will not be
> able to complete the full role of tasks that a more professional screen
> reader can.
>
> Although I do not use JAWS, it is not an acronym for Job Access to Work
> with Screen Reader for nothing.
>
> I am a diehard Window-Eyes user and have been for many years, in a
> professional capacity and now as a retired person.
> I would not move away from Window-Eyes without a much better incentive
> than a single review, which it now appears, is not from the most
> knowledgeable of sources.
>
> Community, please take your choice.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Vaughan
> Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 9:11 PM
> To: 'Chris Skarstad'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The
> Results Will Surprise You!
>
> Thanks for the post.
>
> I do think we should be cautious about this.  Apart from the fact that the
> guy is a teacher - teacher of what and of whom - his credentials are not
> clearly identified.  So his views are just as good or just as bad as any
> one elses.
>
> Many of us use apps not included in his discussion - excel, outlook, other
> mail and spreadsheet applications and so on.  Whilst it is clear that the
> discussion is about Windows 10 anniversary, and as such is narrow in
> context, it is far from complete.
>
> The bias is clear: if it is free - it must be better, and he has only ever
> used JFW of the paid screen readers.
> Microsoft's commitment to accessibility is questonable.  Yes: Narrator has
> made improvements which are long overdue, and there are knowledgeable blind
> people commiting to Narrator.  But - no braille, no ability to configure it
> for specific apps, and so many other shortcomings which Window-Eyes and JFW
> have attempted to resolve over the years.
>
>
>
> The discussion is an important one, as the industry is in a state of
> change.  But: we should just treat the comments for what they are -
> someone's legitimate opinion.
>
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> Please telephone the Regional Disability and Health Team prior to emailing
> or faxing any new referrals.
>
> Vaughan Dodd, Regional Disability Advisor.
>
> Desk2desk: 97187.
> Email: vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz .
> For referrals: email fax_gnlis001_health_disabil...@msd.govt.nz
> .
>
> Our up-to-date desk file is located at:
> http://doogle.ssi.govt.nz/resources/publications/
> reports-research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-
> disability-resources.html
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001 =
> msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Chris
> Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2016 6:27 a.m.
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The
> Results Will Surprise You!
>
> No mention of Window-eyes, eh? tisk tisk.
> On 8/10/2016 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote:
> > The following article came from
> > https://www.coolblindtech.com/ranking-screen-readers-in-windows10-anni
> > versary-update-the-results-will-surprise-you/
> >
> > He seemed to leave out Window Eyes?
> >
> > Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will
> Surprise You!
> >
> > James Oates
> >
> >
> > On  August 9, 2016
> >
> > In this article, I will attempt to review and rank three of the most
> > popular current screen readers that are available at this time. The
> three screen readers were tested on the most recent version of Windows 10
> anniversary update. This is important because one of the screen readers is
> Microsoft�s most recently updated Narrator.
> > Although ranking the screen readers might prove to be quite
> controversial, I think it can also open up a real discussion on which
> screen readers are most accessible, and even the question of accessibility
> can sometimes be up for debate. I do realize that accessibility is
> determined by personal needs and preferences, so I will attempt to define
> the criteria I used for accessibility in this review.
> >
> > What Is Accessibility?
> >
> > Quite simply, I determined that accessibility is the ability to access
> that which needs to be accessed. Also, I take points off accessibility for
> the screen readers that make it difficult to access material by being
> dysfunctional or by making it very difficult to figure out which keystrokes
> need to be used with the material. Some screen readers make you use
> 

Re: update on Microsoft Edge (my final response on this thread, maybe? )

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

 HTML5 features “accessibly supported” by a web browser includes if they are
>>> keyboard accessible, mapped to the platform accessibility APIs, and if any
>>> accessibility related features are supported. An accessibly supported
>>> feature means it is usable by people who rely on assistive technology,
>>> without developers having to supplement with ARIA or other additional
>>> workarounds.
>>>
>>> From: Kevin Barry [mailto:krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;>]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 6:23 PM
>>> To: Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;>>
>>> Cc: Rick Thomas <ofbgm...@mi.rr.com<javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
>>> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;>>; Portia
>>> Scott <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;>>
>>> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge
>>>
>>> As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the
>>> meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com
>>> <javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;>>> wrote:
>>> Kevin,
>>> You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader
>>> and accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue,
>>> eduction, and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue
>>> to share facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of
>>> accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of
>>> screen readers will have access to another web browser under Windows.
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>>
>>> On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry 
>>> <krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has
>>> decided to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult
>>> to injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better
>>> making apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com
>>> <javascript:;><javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com<javascript:;><javascript:;>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end
>>> to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the
>>> OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the
>>> accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working
>>> on making this happen.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon
>>> <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>=
>>> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>]
>>> On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
>>> To: 'Kevin Barry' 
>>> <krba...@gmail.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>;
>>> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>;
>>> 'Portia Scott' <porti...@sbcglobal.net
>>> <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>
>>> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge
>>>
>>> If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it
>>> is then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the
>>> audio outputs accordingly.
>>> Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the
>>> browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
>>> Rick USA
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail
>>> <javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>=
>>> mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>]
>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
>>> To: Portia Scott 
>>> <porti...@sbcglobal.net<javascript:;><javascript:;><javascript:;>>;
>>> Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> <javascri

Re: update on Microsoft Edge

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

As soon as Microsoft make some progress, please share it with us. In the
meantime, please stop apologizing for their inexcusable choices.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com> wrote:

> Kevin,
> You are entitled to your opinion. As an advocate for the screen reader and
> accessibility communities, I believe that constructive dialogue, eduction,
> and cooperation is a formula for positive change. I will continue to share
> facts about the progress being made by Microsoft in the realm of
> accessibility. And, I sincerely hope that in the near future users of
> screen readers will have access to another web browser under Windows.
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On August 2, 2016 5:31:15 PM Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has
> decided to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult
> to injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better
> making apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com
> <javascript:;><mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end
> to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the
> OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the
> accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working
> on making this happen.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon <javascript:;><javascript:;>=
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;><javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
> To: 'Kevin Barry' <krba...@gmail.com <javascript:;><javascript:;>>;
> 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
> <javascript:;><javascript:;>>;
> 'Portia Scott' <porti...@sbcglobal.net <javascript:;><javascript:;>>
> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge
>
> If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is
> then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio
> outputs accordingly.
> Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the
> browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail <javascript:;><javascript:;>=
> mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;><javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of Kevin Barry via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
> To: Portia Scott <porti...@sbcglobal.net <javascript:;><javascript:;>>;
> Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge
>
> So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen
> readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to
> anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use
> the browser, all else is irrelevant.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;><javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was
> > saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot.
> >
> > I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at
> > the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list.
> >
> > Portia.
> > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk <
> > talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;><javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of
> > accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the
> > new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by
> > releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped.
> > There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some
> > information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's
> > commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to
> Edge.
> > > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the
> > > markup
> > language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many
> > new elements that ha

Re: update on Microsoft Edge

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided
to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to
injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better making
apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has
> decided to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult
> to injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better
> making apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','msolo...@aisquared.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end
>> to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the
>> OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the
>> accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working
>> on making this happen.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=
>> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
>> To: 'Kevin Barry' <krba...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; 'Portia Scott' <porti...@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge
>>
>> If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it
>> is then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the
>> audio outputs accordingly.
>> Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the
>> browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
>> Rick USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Kevin Barry via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
>> To: Portia Scott <porti...@sbcglobal.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge
>>
>> So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for
>> screen readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment
>> to anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use
>> the browser, all else is irrelevant.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was
>> > saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a
>> lot.
>> >
>> > I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at
>> > the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list.
>> >
>> > Portia.
>> > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk <
>> > talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of
>> > accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the
>> > new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by
>> > releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped.
>> > There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some
>> > information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's
>> > commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to
>> Edge.
>> > > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the
>> > > markup
>> > language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many
>> > new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and
>> operable
>> > from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser
>> > and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5
>> specification.
>> > And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when
>> > authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for
>> > creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start.
>> > > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve
>> > accessibility.  A web page author can use the new  element to
>> > indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the
>> 
>> > ele

Re: update on Microsoft Edge

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Simply put, I believe edge shall never be accessible. Microsoft has decided
to screw screen reader users over and that is that. To add insult to
injury, we must evidently put up with people who should know better making
apologies for microsoft and trying to explain why black is white.

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com> wrote:

> Well said Rick! To reiterate an important point in my previous post, end
> to end accessibility is a team effort. Microsoft only has control over the
> OS and browser. The screen reader has to be updated to support the
> accessibility architecture of the OS and browser. VFO is actively working
> on making this happen.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon <javascript:;>=
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick
> Thomas via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:51 PM
> To: 'Kevin Barry' <krba...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>; 'Window-Eyes
> Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>; 'Portia
> Scott' <porti...@sbcglobal.net <javascript:;>>
> Subject: RE: update on Microsoft Edge
>
> If the Accessibility Tree reflects the browser and the page contents it is
> then up to the screen reader to use the tree properly and produce the audio
> outputs accordingly.
> Thus if the browser handles the new objects and the tree reflects the
> browser contents it is up to the screen reader to produce quality output.
> Rick USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail <javascript:;>=
> mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry
> via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 4:37 PM
> To: Portia Scott <porti...@sbcglobal.net <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: update on Microsoft Edge
>
> So, he edge browser is accessible for HTML5, but not accessible for screen
> readers. This does not appear to demonstrate Microsoft's commitment to
> anything. Unless you count wishing to appear committed. If we cannot use
> the browser, all else is irrelevant.
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016, Portia Scott via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > I definitely find this pretty interesting. Someone on Twitter was
> > saying that edge is actually accessible. Although, you have to tab a lot.
> >
> > I haven't really tested this, and I am not on my Windows machine at
> > the moment. But I thought I would mention this to the list.
> >
> > Portia.
> > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Marc Solomon via Talk <
> > talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Many of you on the list have voiced concerns about the lack of
> > accessibility and screen reader compatibility in Microsoft Edge (the
> > new web browser in Windows 10). Yes, Microsoft dropped the ball by
> > releasing a non-accessible solution when Windows 10 first shipped.
> > There is nothing we can do to change that. But, I wanted to share some
> > information that was just released that helps demonstrate Microsoft's
> > commitment to accessibility and the improvements that have been made to
> Edge.
> > > First, a little background. HTML5 is the latest version of the
> > > markup
> > language used to write web pages. This new specification includes many
> > new elements that have potential to make web pages more accessible and
> operable
> > from the keyboard. In order for this all to work, both the web browser
> > and assistive technology have to implement support for the HTML5
> specification.
> > And, the web page developer has to use the HTML5 markup correctly when
> > authoring the page. There are more technical complexities involved for
> > creating an accessible experience, but this is a good place to start.
> > > Here is an example of how a new HTML5 element could improve
> > accessibility.  A web page author can use the new  element to
> > indicate the main content on a web page. The web browser can map the
> 
> > element to a landmark element in the accessibility API (application
> > programming interface). This API can then communicate to a screen
> > reader that there is a main content landmark available on the page.
> > The screen reader can provide the user with a hotkey to navigate to
> > the main content landmark. As you can see, a carefully orchestrated
> > effort must take place in order for accessibility to happen. Okay,
> > that is the end of the
> lecture.
> > Than

Re: HOW DO I CONFIGURE WINDOW-EYES TO USE READ THROUGH A HEADSET

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

if you use the Dectalk Access32 voice, as you should, you can tell window
eyes to have the speech go to a different output device then the default
sound, this will do what you want

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016, net bat via Talk 
wrote:

> you can't completely.
> you go to sounds in the control panel while the blu tooth speaker is
> connected and make it the default sound device. go into the w e control
> panel to devices and voice synthisizers then to the sound card and set this
> one to the headset.
> the problem is all windows sounds like system sounds and your music will
> play on the blu tooth speaker. but window eyes will speak in the headset
> for all applications you run. not just your email.
>
> -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc.
> via Talk
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 1:05 PM
> To: 'Marc Solomon' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: HOW DO I CONFIGURE WINDOW-EYES TO USE READ THROUGH A HEADSET
>
> Ok, it's sleepy Monday for me and I couldn't come up with a better subject
> header!
>
> Here's what I'm trying to accomplish:
>
> 1.  I want to configure a bluetooth speaker for playing and listening to
> music and Internet radio
> 2.  I want to configure Window-Eyes to use a connected headset for reading
> E-mail only
>
> Where in the Window-Eyes Control Panel can I go to get these done?  Thanks
> for all help!!
>
> Sincerely,
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Re: Your confirmation is required to join the Talk mailing list

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On Sunday, July 31, 2016, Charles McManus via Talk <
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> Sent from Mail for
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Re: W-E upgrade to version 5.1.0went without a hitch!

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I realize you do not shut window eyes down, I am not new at this,
nevertheless it did not speak properly. It certainly did not speak on the U
a C screen.

On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Marc Solomon <msolo...@aisquared.com> wrote:

> The Window-Eyes setup program (for updates and upgrades) is designed to be
> used with your current version of Window-Eyes running. It is not a
> self-voicing application. So, as long as you don't turn Window-Eyes off
> first, you will have speech throughout the entire setup process. After
> rebooting, the new version of Window-Eyes should come up speaking
> automatically.
> Best,
> Marc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon <javascript:;>=
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Barry via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:11 PM
> To: Bob Tinney <tinn...@charter.net <javascript:;>>; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: W-E upgrade to version 5.1.0went without a hitch!
>
> I upgraded one machine smoothly, which is better than previous attempts.
> How ever, I would really like it if the installation dialogue would read
> without me running NVDA. Windows 8.1  professional
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Bob Tinney via Talk <
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> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > I always download the upgrade file before I run it as I've always had
> > better luck doing that.
> >
> >
> > W-E seems to load and unload faster and is more responsive in general.
> > I can now edit file names on the desktop, but still can't edit file
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Re: W-E upgrade to version 5.1.0went without a hitch!

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I upgraded one machine smoothly, which is better than previous attempts.
How ever, I would really like it if the installation dialogue would read
without me running NVDA. Windows 8.1  professional

On Thursday, July 28, 2016, Bob Tinney via Talk 
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> Hi,
>
>
> I always download the upgrade file before I run it as I've always had
> better luck doing that.
>
>
> W-E seems to load and unload faster and is more responsive in general.  I
> can now edit file names on the desktop, but still can't edit file names in
> any windows explorer folder.
>
>
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Re: router suggestions

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

synology makes a very nice one, $150.

On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Jed Barton via Talk 
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> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need to get a new router.  Perhaps some of you guys can comment,
> perhaps it's me, but the quality of routers seems to be really going down
> hill.  I've had this linksys for about 2 years and it's nearly shot.  Put
> it this way, we measured the speed of my cable modem, it's 60 megs
> download, and when i tested it upstairs with speedtest on my iphone it went
> down to 20 megs.  I really suspect the signal is just not getting out.  I
> need to fix this once  and for all.  Any ideas?
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Re: AI Squared has a new parent company

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I am quite sure, that the new owners will quickly decide that they do not
need to keep supporting two screen readers.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Charles Short via Talk <
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> Oh no, does this mean that Window-Eyes won't be available anymore?
>
>
> Charlie Short
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort =
> verizon@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:53 AM
> To: mattc...@verizon.net ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> >
> Subject: AI Squared has a new parent company
>
> Hi Matthew and everyone,
>
> Here is the press release about the acquisition of AI Squared by VFO, the
> parent company of Freedom Scientific and Optelech:
>
> http://www.vfo-group.com/index.php/press-release-ai-squared-joins-vfo/
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
> Of Matthew Chao via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:42 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >
> Subject: Re: betrayal
>
> What company joined Freedom Scientific?--Matthew Chao.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/14/2016 10:27 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > Let me get this straight:
> >
> > The company that is sued by freedom scientific, now joins  them? How
> > are we supposed to be assured of  excellent customer service?
> >
> > That is not exactly Freedom Scientific's strong point.
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Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Say what you want, but when a leveraged buyout firm purchases a bunch of
businesses in an industry, the customers are in real trouble.
The absolute last thing they have in mind is benefiting the customer.

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016, Darrell Bowles via Talk <
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> As long as freedom scientific lets them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:32 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com > wrote:
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> > I just got a message from AIsquared, and they said they're going to
> continue support for all products. RJ
> >
> >
> >> On 6/14/2016 4:29 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> >> It won't work
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982 =
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> >> On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:28 PM
> >> To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: VFO acquisition of Ai Squared
> >>
> >> I'm going to do it anyway.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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>  On Jun 14, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> Hi: After calmer consideration, I don't think contacting government
> >>> will do any good since I believe they had no choice but to sell.
> >>> I hope the members of this and the scripting list will get the new
> >>> list addresses to sign up to before this list or the scripting list go
> >> away.
> >>> Also, if the office / WindowEyes payment agreement is nullifyed I hope
> >>> we will be notified well in advance so we can make other plans.
> >>> Good luck to the folks who have managed, built and provided us support
> >>> all these years with our favorite screen reader.
> >>> Rick USA
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Re: Full Version of WE

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Contact GW directly, they will give you a link to download the full version
of the latest that will work.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016, via Talk  wrote:

> Nope, you need full version of at least 9.2 for windows 10.
>
> Dennis Long via Talk > wrote:
>
> > Install 9.0 then 9.2 should install.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982 =
> gmail@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Byers via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:31 AM
> > To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Full Version of WE
> >
> >
> > I have just installed Windows 10, But now can't install WE.
> > I have the CD of 9.0, and the upgrades of 91,92,93 and94.  None of them
> will
> > install, and 90 can't install on Windows 10.
> > Where do I go from here??
> > I thought, as we paid for version 9.2, that would be a full version, but
> not
> > so.
> > Help please.
> >
> > Rob.
> >
> >
> > On 8/06/2016 5:14 AM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > What I would like to see in the new windoweyes version are the
> following:
> > >
> > > 1.   The ability to use windows speech recognition.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Currently, only System access works fully  with this feature of
> windows.
> > >
> > > 2.   Also, I would like to see an easier way to get in to safe mode
> > with
> > > window-eyes. While safe mode  is now accessible once you are in it,
> > > you have no easy way to get in to safe mode.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Darrell
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Re: Odd thing about creating folders in Windows 10

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Did you try the bypass key?

On Friday, June 3, 2016, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> You can also press alt and tab twice to
> "New Folder"
> Or even quicker,
> Press Alt and the number 2 on the top of the keyboard.
> HTH.
> Rebecca
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
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> embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:07 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com 
> Subject: Odd thing about creating folders in Windows 10
>
>  Hi guys
>
>
> I have, what appears to be an  odd thing going on, or at least I've
> never seen this since I'm pretty knew to Windows 10. I've only had it
> for a couple of weeks.  I've been told that the keystroke to create a
> new folder in Windows 10 is control plus shift plus n.  Here's where the
> odd thing comes into play.  When I have Window-eyes 9.4.0.0  running and
> I press this keystroke, absolutely nothing happens.  Yet when I run
> another screenreader, the dialogue to create a new folder comes up and I
> can create the folder just fine.  What am I missing here? Does
> Window-eyes have some kind of special, alternative keystroke to create a
> new folder that I'm not aware of? I've never seen this and i'll be
> honest I bet a lot of you haven't either so if you're stumped, you're
> not alone. Is there a way I can create a new folder without having to
> run another screenreader first? I shouldn't have to do that.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

you insist that Microsoft will eventually make edge accessible. Do you know
this? And please, I am not asking for your wishful thinking.
You know nothing of the kind, you were speaking out of a part of your body
lower than your mouth.
It is inexcusable, and really contrary to law, that this browser is allowed
to exist in its current form.


On Friday, May 20, 2016, Tom Kingston via Talk 
wrote:

> Butch,
>
> We still have mouse keys in Internet Explorer. It's one of the reasons IE
> is my default browser. So I'm not sure what you're missing.
>
> Yes, Amazon has become a bit dicey over the years. Then again, they have
> their accessible site as well.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 5/19/2016 11:22 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>
>> Yep, and no matter what they come out with, we're told, upgrade,
>> upgrade, this is better.  I still miss mouse keys in explorer.  I was
>> trying to order some stuff on amazon this evening and couldn't get
>> logged in, this was on a windows seven machine and latest explorer.  I
>> finally went back to my xp and old explorer and although it barked at me
>> about some script slowing the page down, it worked fine.  Got to keep
>> drinking that ms cool aid.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 19 May 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>
>> Well, old man, some of us aren't as old as you and if you think really
>>> really hard, maybe you can figure this one out as well. Some of us
>>> actually work for a living. This means not every one can just go
>>> installing whatever browser we want on our machine. I'm sure you never
>>> thought about that either while you're sitting there collecting your
>>> government checks. I realize you are not a forward thinker, but some
>>> people can actually see the direction MS is headed. They can and most
>>> certainly will force you to use whatever they damn well please. Not to
>>> mention all the many apps coming out that are using the Edge browser
>>> with no way to change it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now go back to sticking that big head of yours in the sand.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 10:31 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>
  Yes, in fact, Jack, I have done a lot of research. It's why I'm not
 having
  a coronary over Edge. What will come in the future means absolutely
  nothing today. Take that to the bank and deposit it. You may get some
  interest on it. Then again, why bother? After all we will all die
 one day.
  And that's a fact. Oh but wait! There is Firefox and chrome. And I hear
  those browsers are eternal. Maybe they're the Stairway to Heaven
 Zeppelin
  was referring to.

  John Bonham

  On 5/18/2016 9:34 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
 >  You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual
 >  research to find out what's really going on in the world? For
 example,
 >  Win10 is the last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a
 >  fact, jack. Look it up if you don't believe me.
 > > >  On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
 > >  This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
 > > > >  Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to
 force us to
 > >  use only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
 > > > >  Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that
 is tied to
 > >  Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar
 > >  and my home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens,
 Google
 > >  loads, I'm in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I
 press
 > >  one key combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my
 results
 > >  without anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may
 > >  take me a second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can
 activate
 > >  a link and then hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search
 results. I
 > >  don't know why this fly is turning into a vulture that's
 threatening
 > >  civilization as we know it. ;)
 > > > >  Regards,
 > >  Tom
 > > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
 > > >  Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other
 screen
 > > >  readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of
 > > >  Win-eyes.
 > > >  It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is
 going > > >  with
 > > >  Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in
 the > > >  near
 > > >  future I feel we'll be left behind.
 > > > > > >  On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
 > > > >  Hi Stephen:
 > > > > > > > >  I understand what you are saying and I totally agree
 with you, but > > > >  I
 > > > >  have one question.
 > > > >  Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility
 built > > > >  into
 > > > >  them?

Re: Searching from the start menu will now only launch Edge for web results

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

The edge browser is inaccessible to every screen reader thanks to Microsoft
forward thinking.
I also cannot see how your question is at all relevant to this problem.

On Thursday, May 19, 2016, Stephen Clark via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> You're entitled to your own opinion, but have you done any actual research
> to find out what's really going on in the world? For example, Win10 is the
> last version that will have Internet Explorer. That's a fact, jack. Look it
> up if you don't believe me.
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 5:11 PM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>
>> This is just my personal opinion. So take it for what it's worth.
>>
>> Edge accessibility will come. Microsoft is not going to force us to use
>> only Edge as someone on this list likes to say.
>>
>> Regarding searching from the Cortana search box? Yes, that is tied to
>> Edge now. But for me, so what. My browser is pinned to the Task bar and my
>> home page is Google. So when I press Windows+1 IE opens, Google loads, I'm
>> in the search box, and browse mode toggles off. So I press one key
>> combination, type my text, hit enter, and I've got my results without
>> anything else in my start menu or on my system. Yes, it may take me a
>> second or two longer. but on the other hand, I can activate a link and then
>> hit Alt-Left arrow to go back to the search results. I don't know why this
>> fly is turning into a vulture that's threatening civilization as we know
>> it. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 5/18/2016 2:33 PM, Stephen Clark via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Since I only use Win-eyes for now I wouldn't know about other screen
>>> readers. However, my original message is not to be critical of Win-eyes.
>>> It's more out of frustration as to the direction that MS is going with
>>> Edge and if  accessibility is not provided to it soon with in the near
>>> future I feel we'll be left behind.
>>>
>>> On 5/18/2016 1:23 PM, Kevin Huber wrote:
>>>
 Hi Stephen:

 I understand what you are saying and I totally agree with you, but I
 have one question.
 Do any of the other screen readers have  Edge accessibility built into
 them?
 Kevin Huber

 On 5/17/16, Stephen Clark via Talk  wrote:

> Speaking of Windows 10 and the need for Window-eyes support for Edge,
> has any one noticed the following recent change? When you do a search
> from the start menu and you press enter to search the web for your
> result, it will now only bring up Edge regardless of what your default
> web browser is. As far as I'm aware there is no way to change this
> behavior.
>
> ==Steve
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Re: question about microsoft.

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

let me save you the trouble, it is inaccessible, forget it.

On Thursday, March 24, 2016, michaels mail via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi guys i have been trying to google an email to microsoft accessability
> help  but can’t find it.
> Would anyone know i wanted to email them and ask a question about a
> windows phone.
> Cheers Michael.
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Re: Update Warning

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

download and install the free GWX control panel from ultimate outsider. It
stops all of this nonsense


On Thursday, February 25, 2016, net bat via Talk 
wrote:

> your full of it.
> i have not had any access denied to my account with windows 7 and i will
> stay with it until 2020 when support ends.
> win 10 is not better when it keeps changeing permissions on your account
> and you get denied access to your own account and files you created or
> installed. twice i could not boot the system and had to re format and start
> over because i was denied access to my account.
> this has happened 3 times with  a upgrade and with 2 clean re installs.
> i got locked out of my own account and i could only log in as a guest
> there is still many places in windows 10 where window eyes will lag
> behind, lose speech or not speak at all.
> apps? there hasn't been a singl app that i am interested in and few are w
> e accessible.
> periphials and software?
> for get it. there is no drivers for my 1 year old dell printer. i would
> have to upgrade openbook i would not be able to use windows live mail which
> is totally accessible for me without haveing to find things on the screen
> with the mouse.
> microsoft wants us to use the windows 10 mail program which is still not
> accessible. they are changeing the protocalls for email so you can't use
> windows wlive mail,hot mail etc. with a microsoft account.
> the un accessible edge browser? how long will it be before there is full
> access to this?
> i do not have a microsoft account
> and if this will be the only choice i have the computer will go out the
> door.
> i refuse to put everything in the cloud where i would not have any control
> over stopping hackers from getting my  personal information.
> with everyones info being stored on just one microsoft server the whole pc
> worlds personal info could be hacked at one fel swoop. no thanks.
>
> -Original Message- From: Gary Melconian via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:20 PM
> To: 'Pamela Dominguez' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Pastor Gil Pries'
> Subject: RE: Update Warning
>
> No matter you are going ot get windows 10. Guys face the facts its time oto
> move on from windows 7 or 8 to windows 10. It's a much better platform then
> 7 or 8 eve was. Best world the best o 7 and 8.1 comined into windows 10.
> Thast a much better solution then anything else.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+garymelc=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 8:51 PM
> To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> 
> Subject: Re: Update Warning
>
> Yes, I have heard it comes back.  They are really trying to push it on us.
> Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:04 AM
> To: t...@window-eyes.com
> Subject: Update Warning
>
> Hi,
> The update, KB3035583, came back in my update list after I hid it 2 dtimes.
> This is the third time I have hidden it.
> It put the Get Windows 10 icon in my systray.
> Once I uninstalled it the icon is gone again.
> Thought you all would like to know.
>
> Pastor Gil
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Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

it seems to me, if you use Firefox, you eliminate any problem with Internet
explorer.

On Thursday, February 18, 2016, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Pam,
>
> Also, some apps are global and provide additional functionality not
> previously available.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
> Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: February 17, 2016 3:56 PM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> >
> Subject: Re: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Yes, I have never heard of window eyes aps using iCloud.  I don't know
> enough about them, but I think they just function in window eyes and work
> with whatever program they are meant to make work better with window eyes.
> Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 2:52 PM
> To: 'Tom Fairhurst' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Tom Kingston'
> Subject: RE: Is Window-Eyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> Tom,
>
> My understanding is that the WE Apps are just ways of making the use of WE
> in some circumstances easier to navigate and use. I do not believe that
> they
> use ICloud at all. Of course, there may be a number of WE Apps that do
> require use of iCloud, but these I expect to be exceptions.
>
> Script writers should be able to confirm this.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:45 PM
> To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> It's interesting that iCloud may be a culprit. However, if you do that, how
> can you work with ITunes, Amazon, etc.? Or, do each of their apps work
> without iCloud, itself?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 11:29 AM
> To: john_far...@btinternet.com  ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
> List' ; 'Rick
> Thomas'
> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
>
> yes, John. It's also a good idea to open IE, Alt-T Tools, manage
> add-ons, and disable anything you don't absolutely need.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 2/17/2016 12:19 PM, John Farley wrote:
> > Tom, in a note a short while ago I have suggested that it might be iCloud
> > that is having such an impact.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards, John
> >
> > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
> > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Talk
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> > Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 5:15 PM
> > To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
> >
> > Something else must be causing all these IE crashes you folks are
> > getting because it never crashes on me. Well, maybe once or twice a year.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 2/17/2016 10:41 AM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote:
> >> Yes: It seems JAWS also encounters the same problem but it allows for
> >> working with the close program dialog.
> >> So it is not a problem unique to WindowEyes.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail =
> mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> > On
> >> Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 9:48 AM
> >> To: loyrg2...@gmail.com ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> 
> >> Subject: Re: Is WindowEyes Causing All Internet And Other Crashes?
> >>
> >> I actually never thought Window-eyes was causing the browser crashing
> >> problem in IE. I just know Window-eyes does not announce the crash
> >> and NVDA lets me know what is happening by announcing the crash once
> >> I invoke NVDA.
> >> By the way, using more than one screen reader to accomplish various
> >> tasks is something folks have been doing for twenty years. So having
> >> two screen readers on your system just makes good sense to me.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >>
> >> At 09:17 AM 2/17/2016, you wrote:
> >>> I have some sight and  when I have had this problem, I have shut
> >>> down Window Eyes and tried IE and I get the same dialog "IE has
> >>> stopped working". So it is not WE that causes this particular problem.
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Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

There is no deadline.
You can keep Windows 7 at least until January 2020.
Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I haven't done the modification yet, but have you used Control-Shift-B
> repeatedly until you hear Full screen or, at least, Active Window to be
> certain that your mouse pointer is not being limited in its movement?
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
> Of Rick Jarvis via Talk
> Sent: December 27, 2015 10:54 AM
> To: Samuel Wilkins >; Window-Eyes
> Discussion List
> >
> Subject: Re: make Firefox Thunderbird mouse accessible
>
> Hello all,  I am running windows 10 64 bit with window eyes 9.3 and I
> made the changes in Thunderbird that Nevel  gave to the list and it sort
> of helped.  When I open an email and use the mouse it will only read two
> lines of text and that is all.  If I go from one letter to the next by
> pressing the 4 key or the 6 key it will read all the letters in those
> two lines and that is all.  I am using the latest t bird as well.  So it
> looks like that there will have to be some work done to make the mouse
> accessible in fire fox and t bird.  Thanks Rick
>
> On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:
> > This should be put on the knowledge base.
> >
> > On 26/12/2015 15:21, Reg Webb via Talk wrote:
> >> Thanks so much Neville. I had taken the first 2 steps, but the third one
> >> has proved crucial in getting some mouse access back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
> >
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Re: Cannot install window-eyes 9.3

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I am having the exact same problem on not one, but two separate Windows
8.one machines. No matter how many times I download it, or what steps I
take, nothing works. I have turned up smart filter. It is very unusual, or
suspicious, that this is happening to two of my machines, the machines are
very separate and have nothing in common other than the operating system. I
have updated window eyes on these machines previously.

On Sunday, December 20, 2015, Thomas J Heinl via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I have tried to install 9.3 by downloading the file and then installing
> it  and by checking for updates and then installing it.  In either case
> it asks me if I will let this program change the user account ( UAC ) and
> I say yes and then nothing happens.  I am using windowws 10 with
> window-eyes 9.2 needed for windows 10.  Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: Command Prompt

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

run dialog will certainly work, just type cmd

On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk <
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> In Windows Explorer, highlight the folder the file is in (but not an
> individual file within that folder). Press shift-F10. This opens a context
> menu, but with a couple of extra options. One of the options is to open a
> command window at the folder. This saves you from typing a long folder name
> at the command prompt. I didn't try this in Windows 10, but suspect it
> would still work.
>
>
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> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
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> -Original Message- From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 11:00 PM
> To: talk viaGW
> Subject: Command Prompt
>
> This should be Windows 7 101 but how do I get to the command prompt. I am
> trying to delete an undeletable file. The fix suggests going to the command
> prompt by clicking Start and typing cmd. If I do that, I am in the search
> box of the Start Menu which really doesn’t help. Should I go to the Run
> dialogue? Additionally, is there a way to send the entire path of a file to
> the clipboard for later use?
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Re: Cannot upgrade this version of WE

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

you are doing better than I am. I get to 100% download it, I enter my
password, and nothing. It is as though I never downloaded anything. There
is no downloaded file to be found. I have done this several times with the
same result.

On Thursday, December 17, 2015, John Farley via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I should have mentioned that I am using a Windows 7 PC with all current
> Windows 7 patches.
>
>
>
> Regards, John
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley =
> btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com ] On
> Behalf Of John Farley via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 11:03 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Cannot upgrade this version of WE
>
> All,
>
> I too am suffering from the issue of not being able to upgrade to 9.3.1
> from
> 9.2.1 as others have done.
>
> I have tried it several times by different methods, but always the result
> is
> the same.
>
> I download a generated copy of 9.3.1 and this appears To be successful.
> WE then requests permission to install, which I agree to.
> The upgrade then starts, with a few questions.
> I then get to the braille options.
> It does not matter which option I choose, either to install the new braille
> settings or not.
> I am then told that I cannot upgrade the current version of WE 9.3.1 over
> the currently installed version.
>
> N.B. I have re-installed WE 9.2.1 to see if that had an influence, but this
> did not help either.
>
> What next?
>
>
> Regards, John
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
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> Behalf of Peter Duran via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:17 AM
> To: Talk (talk@lists.window-eyes.com )
> Subject: WE 9.3.1.0 Upgrade Still Broken!
>
> Now, I can get the download started from the Upgrade option in the Help
> menu.  However, after the "install new braille displays screen", I am told
> that I can't upgrade the currently installed version, which is the latest
> 9.2 version.
>
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Re: Can now download and install the 9.3 update, Go Figure!

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Well, such is not the case here. I just finished trying yet again to
install the upgrade. I downloaded the file a few times which seemed to
work. However, no matter what I do I cannot get this thing to run. Even in
my administrator account I can approve the running from the uac but then
nothing. Nothing at all. I have tried several things including running as
administrator from the context menu both in my administrator account and
from without. Nothing. This is a windows eight point one professional
machine which is up to date. I have a paid for version of we with two sma
counts left. This is rather frustrating.

On Friday, December 18, 2015, Don Mauck via Talk 
wrote:

> It just pays to compare file sizes after the download, have a much better
> chance of having a clean and complete download.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> ]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 4:30 PM
> To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Can now download and install the 9.3 update, Go Figure!
>
> This is why it always pays to wait a little bit before downloading.  I
> have a feeling a whole lot of people were pounding the servers and got
> incomplete downloads of the program.  A buddy of mine downloaded a copy of
> WE 9.3 yesterday, and in the middle of the install, I kid you not, a
> dialogue box appeared that said ready for next disc.  I've never heard of
> that, not since the days of running programs on a floppy disc. and that's
> been since the late 90s.
>
>
>
> On 12/17/2015 5:01 PM, via Talk wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Yesterday, and Last Night, the 9.3 update would not install.  Would
> > get to the part where I needed to answer the question of installing
> > the latest Braille Support.  Choosing Yes, or No, would end the
> > install and the install would post a message stating the new 9.3
> > update could not be installed over my 9.2.
> >
> > This morning, I attempted to download and install the 9.3 update again.
> > This time it worked.  Why?  have no idea.Nothing was changed on my
> > end, but this morning, the install worked.
> >
> > So far, the only thing I have noticed is the Read to End feature dose
> > not work when I read Email messages in Becky.
> >
> > Anyone else have this problem in Becky?
> >
> >
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Re: Introducing Window-eyes 9.3

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

something similar happens on every single update and has for nearly 20
years. I guess it's too much to suppose that people might figure this out
and exercise just a little patience.

On Thursday, December 17, 2015, Michael Massey via Talk <
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> Hi.  I must say that trying to download the Window-eyes 9.3 has been an
> exercise in patience.  Of course, the day's not over yet.  After each
> attempt to download the upgrade has failed due to the servers being jammed,
> I have shouted choice words which I will not put into this e-mail.  Use
> your
> imagination folks  I have yet to miss installing a Window-eyes upgrade on
> the day of release.  Have patience folks.  .
>
>
>
> Mike M.
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Re: Eudora Certificate

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Do a Google search, you can force it to except the certificate.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015, ratshtron via Talk <
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> once you answer yes, you must do the following:
>
> 1: press alt+t then o for options
> 2: press home then arrow once to checking mail
> 3: shift tab four times to the secure sockets when receiving ssl button
> and press enter
> 4: shift tab three times to certificate information button and press enter
> 5: right arrow till nothing is heard then tab nine times to add to trusted
> button and press the spacebar
> 6: using your mouse cursor, go to the bottom of the screen and locate the
> done button and left click to activate the done button
> 7: tab three times to ok and press enter. now tab once more to the final
> o.k. button and press enter. you are done. if this pops up again, just
> follow the steps above again. if you get this problem when sending a
> message and eudora will not send the message, then you have have to move to
> the sending mail catagory and do the same. if you get an error that you
> haven't sent mail. . . then your error is generated by the checking mail
> catagory. hope this helps.
>
>
> Legend has it that on Tuesday 12/15/2015 10:51 PM, Rock West via Talk said:
> 
>
>> A few days ago, Eudora refused to let me get my mail. They said the
>> certificate could not be trusted but I could click "Yes" to trust it.  I
>> did, but it continued to refused to function. I have tried several options,
>> but nothing works. Any suggestions?
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Re: Attn. GWMicro Staff - Disappointed in WE 9.2

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

It is not the fault of gw. Software makers have removed this ability in
some programs. As for using an old version of firefox; you are taking a
large risk. There are many very exploitable vulnerabilities in such an old
version.

On Sunday, December 6, 2015, manny via Talk 
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> Hi,
> I can still use my mouse with the numpad in firefox version 30.0
>
> Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
> stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** **
> ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
> computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.2, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
> premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel q6600 quad core
> drivers and software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster,
> which sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a
> great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome,
> Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft security
> essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner,
> Ultra Defrag
> On 12/5/2015 8:10 AM, net bat via Talk wrote:
>
>> if useing firefox it will stay in the sys tray. and i have this with
>> windows 7 and 10.
>> the num pad will not move the mouse out of the sys tray.
>> i've tried all modes for mouse movement. and with firefox they do not
>> work.
>> full screen,focus window, user window etc. does nothing with firefox.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jonathan C. Cohn via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2015 10:04 AM
>> To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Attn. GWMicro Staff - Disappointed in WE 9.2
>>
>> It might be that you are using the WindowEyes cursor instead of the mouse
>> cursor. Try clicking the minus sign on the numeric keypad and see if that
>> makes a difference Also, I understand that Windows 8 and Windows 10 make it
>> harder to implement the mouse cursor functionality as part of increasing
>> security and efficiency..
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 12:28, Robert Ringwald via Talk <
>>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It used to be, in some editions of Window-Eyes that the number pad
>>> worked as a mouse. This no longer is the case. Why?
>>>
>>>
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Re: is the wy fi blu tooth?

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Wifi and blutooth are separate things. This is why they have different
names.

On Saturday, November 28, 2015, net bat via Talk 
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> here i am again.
> is the wy fi adaptor blu tooth?
> i just remembered my windows tablet uses wy fi from my router. but i have
> blu tooth on the tablet off to save battery life and the wy fi connection
> still works.
>
> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 6:36 PM
> To: michael's emails ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: still having wifi drop outs.
>
> Again, your problem has nothing to do with the modem. It's the
> bluetooth/wi-fi adapter in your laptop. Find the information on that in
> Device manager, properties, driver.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 11/27/2015 9:11 PM, michael's emails via Talk wrote:
>
>> Hi Rod i can't find any drivers for this modem the model is netcomm
>> nb16wv-o2 if you can find any thanks.
>> Cheers Michael.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:29 AM
>> To: 'Tom Kingston' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: still having wifi drop outs.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is very good advice, and to this I would add that if a Win 10
>> driver isn't available, I think it's worth installing the Win 8.1
>> version, since these usually work well.
>>
>> Hth,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
>> Sent: November 27, 2015 5:53 PM
>> To: michaeel's mail ; Window-Eyes
>> Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: still having wifi drop outs.
>>
>> It's probably the Microsoft driver for your laptop's wi-fi adapter.
>> Typically Microsoft's drivers are one size fits all lowest common
>> denominator drivers that are supposed to get the bare bones essentials
>> working. This eliminates any other functionality the manufacturer has in
>> their driver package.
>>
>> You should go into Device manager and get the information on your wi-fi
>> adapter and then go to the manufacturer's site or your computer
>> manufacturer's site and look for a Windows 10 driver package.
>>
>> I wouldn't use the "check for driver update" option in Device Manager
>> either because it will probably tell you you've got the latest driver,
>> or, as I have seen, want to download an older driver. Then again, you
>> could give it a try if you want. Microsoft claims this has been improved
>> in Windows 10. So take that for what it's worth.
>>
>> Hth,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 11/27/2015 5:42 AM, michaeel's mail via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it is set to only conect to my network.
>>> this is just happenig never before this is the best modem I have had.
>>> My wife is not loseing wifi just my win 10 laptop.
>>> My desktop on inthernet does not drop out.
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 1:59 PM
>>> To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: still having wifi drop outs.
>>>
>>> can't you set the wy fi to only connect to your wi fi and ignore
>>> everyone else?
>>> also in my router i can change the wy fi channel to use and turn off
>>> automatic
>>> switching of the channels. so you could find a channel that is less
>>> conjusted
>>> and only use that one.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:37 PM
>>> To: 'michaeel's mail' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
>>> Subject: RE: still having wifi drop outs.
>>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> If you have other wireless networks nearby, you may be losing
>>> connection as
>>> your wireless card attempts to join those and disconnects from yours.
>>> This happened to me, and so I went to using hard-wired Ethernet cable,
>>> and have
>>> no problems anymore.
>>>
>>> Hth,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of michaeel's mail via Talk
>>> Sent: November 26, 2015 7:43 PM
>>> To: window eyes help list 
>>> Subject: still having wifi drop outs.
>>>
>>> Hi guys I have been having with witndows 10 wifi drops out every few
>>> iminutes.
>>> Its only hapend since 2 updates ago is any body seeing this.
>>> Chris said it might be a driver problem.
>>> But I have checked it and it said it does not need a driver ut has a
>>> microsoft
>>> one installe.
>>> It’s a netcomm wiless modem and their web sight said there is no drivers
>>> for
>>> that model.
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Re: WE and windows 10 one drive

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

google.com

On Saturday, November 21, 2015, Ivan Cribb via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Rod,
> Could you kindly briefly explain what is the function of One Drive and what
> is the fynding process? Alternatively, could you point me to a location
> where I can find this information?
> Kind regards
> Ivan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+icribb =
> iinet.net...@lists.window-eyes.com ]
> On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 2:21 AM
> To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: WE and windows 10 one drive
>
> Hi Don,
>
> Disabling the syncing of content of your OneDrive is accomplished by
> closing
> the OneDrive application, as follows:
> Press Insert-S to open the system tray.
> Press down arrow until you highlight OneDrive.
> Tab to single right-click and press spacebar.
> Press down arrow repeatedly until you highlight Exit and press Enter.
> Press Enter to confirm exiting the OneDrive application, or tab to Cancel
> and press Enter if you change your mind.
> To resume syncing content again, launch the OneDrive application by finding
> its icon on the Start menu.
> Please note that simply opening the OneDrive folder is not sufficient to
> resume syncing content.
> You have to launch the OneDrive application for syncing to occur, although
> doing this also causes the OneDrive folder to open, which is a convenience
> provided by the application when it opens.
> You can always monitor the progress of syncing by opening the system tray,
> pressing down arrow to highlight the OneDrive entry, and you will hear the
> current status.
> Note also that leaving focus on this entry in the system tray does not give
> you dynamic status of the syncing process, that is, it is necessary to
> close
> and re-open the system tray and highlight the OneDrive entry in order to
> get
> the current status of OneDrive.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton =
> hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf
> Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: November 4, 2015 8:40 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> >
> Subject: WE and windows 10 one drive
>
> I can't figure out how to stop Windows 10 from uploading and sync data
> to the one drive.  Anyone been able to stop this sync of data?
> Thanks
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Re: Question, Need key stroke for checking status of battery

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Try insert q

On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
via Talk  wrote:

> Bob, yes, Insert-Q is correct!  However, instead of doing that, how about
> using Windows-KeyB to go to the SysTray or what the screen readers call
> Chevron Button.
>
> Here, you can arrow up and down and you'll eventually land on an icon that
> reports the battery status.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: adobe flash player

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

I am doing just fine without access to such content.

On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Sue J Ward via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

>  Hello does the installer support the latest version of flash player? I
> did uninstall alternative flash player auto updater, but it had a toolbar
> on it, and had to manually had to get rid of the crazy toolbar. Yes if you
> could please email the ninite installer to me it would make it a lot easier
> to update the flash player.
>  Thank you.
> On 11/13/2015 1:16 AM, Singing Sparrow via Talk wrote:
>
>> I have a ninite installer for flash if anyone wants it.
>>
>> On 11/12/2015 5:44 PM, Kevin Barry via Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Forget it. Flash is a security disaster.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2015, Jed Barton via Talk <
>>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys.
>>>> Well, a web sight is requesting me to use the adobe flash player..  I am
>>>> trying to download it.  When i do a google search, i find it, but any of
>>>> the links i click on, window-eyes is doing absolutely nothing.  I
>>>> depress
>>>> the enter key and it just sits there.
>>>> Any ideas?
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Re: adobe flash player

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Yes. Forget it. Flash is a security disaster.

On Friday, November 13, 2015, Jed Barton via Talk <
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> Hey guys.
> Well, a web sight is requesting me to use the adobe flash player..  I am
> trying to download it.  When i do a google search, i find it, but any of
> the links i click on, window-eyes is doing absolutely nothing.  I depress
> the enter key and it just sits there.
> Any ideas?
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Re: 64 bit version of firefox

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On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, net bat via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> i don't know which version i have. but with me it locks up when the
> bookmark list is opened with control i. even then usually if you wait 1 or
> 2 minutes w e and firefox will unhang.
> my work around when i want to use the bookmark list is to turn both auto
> load and browse mode off before i open the list. then after i go to a link
> from the bookmark list close the list again with control i and turn browse
> mode and autoload back on. these hangups don't happen when i use nvda and
> firefox.
>
> -Original Message- From: Scott VanDeWalle via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 6:05 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: 64 bit version of firefox
>
> Hello.
> Every single time I launch the 64 bit firefox, it seems like we 9.2 will
> crash, either that, or firefox will crash.
> Just thought I should report this issue.
> It works with nvda.
> smile
>
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Re: Windows 10 tablets

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Pamela Dominguez via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> I don't necessarily know that would be the case.  Not everybody wants to
> use the newest and hottest thing.  Not even all the sighted want to.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message- From: Curtis Delzer via Talk
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:10 PM
> To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Windows 10 tablets
>
> I bet though if it were supported that percentage would increase
> exponentially!
>
> At 08:57 AM 11/9/2015, you wrote:
>
>> is it worth aisquares time  and money to add touch screen support for
>> windows tablets when less then 1 percent of the tablet users are blind?
>> and the fact that only 4 percent of all tablet users are useing windows
>> based tablets?
>> most other people are useing i phones not tablets.
>> some programmers probibly have to go back to school to learn how to do
>> touch screen programming.
>> its probibly alot harder to program for the touch screen justures then
>> other programming.
>> they are going to have to add touch screen support without breaking the
>> existing programming code that has been used for win eyes for years.
>> they also have to deal with  how the computer manufacturers and
>> microsoft keep adding add on's and tweaks that would need extra win eyes
>> programming before they would work.  i am glad i am not the programmers.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: g melconian
>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 11:24 PM
>> To: 'net bat' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'Kevin Barry'
>> Subject: RE: Windows 10 tablets
>>
>> I am hoping that window eyes in version 9.3 or what ever   version does
>> support touch screen both their paid and free competition have it in their
>> offerings and I am wondering how come this is not offered in the  window
>> eyes offering. If windows 10 is so great with touch experiecne then how
>> come
>> the rock solid company can not provide the touch support to their screen
>> reader . Again window eyes has fallen behind in the innovative space they
>> usually claim that they are in.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of net bat via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 11:04 PM
>> To: Kevin Barry <krba...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> Subject: Re: Windows 10 tablets
>>
>> i have a winbook tablet with windows 10 and w e 9.2 on it and it is
>> working
>> fine. that is, with a external keyboard. grin since w e still doesn't
>> support a touch screen.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Kevin Barry via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2015 10:46 PM
>> To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Windows 10 tablets
>>
>> Not a chance.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015, Chris Grabowski via Talk <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Correct on your assumption.
>>>
>>> You need a tablet with an intel based processor running Windows 10 for
>>> intel based processors.
>>> Mobil devices run arm processors that won't work with Window-eyes.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski <javascript:;>=
>>> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Don H
>>> via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:27 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> <javascript:;>
>>> >
>>> Subject: Windows 10 tablets
>>>
>>> Will WE 9.2 work on a windows 10 based tablet running Windows 10 mobile?
>>>   I assume that the Windows 10 mobile version is like the RT version of
>>> Windows 8 and doesn't work with WE 9.2.
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Re: Windows 10 tablets

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Not a chance.

On Sunday, November 8, 2015, Chris Grabowski via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Correct on your assumption.
>
> You need a tablet with an intel based processor running Windows 10 for
> intel based processors.
> Mobil devices run arm processors that won't work with Window-eyes.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Window-Eyes Product Support
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski =
> aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com ] On Behalf Of Don H
> via Talk
> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 4:27 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> >
> Subject: Windows 10 tablets
>
> Will WE 9.2 work on a windows 10 based tablet running Windows 10 mobile?
>   I assume that the Windows 10 mobile version is like the RT version of
> Windows 8 and doesn't work with WE 9.2.
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Re: WE and windows 10 one drive

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disconnect from the internet.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Rod Hutton via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi Don,
>
> Disabling the syncing of content of your OneDrive is accomplished by
> closing
> the OneDrive application, as follows:
> Press Insert-S to open the system tray.
> Press down arrow until you highlight OneDrive.
> Tab to single right-click and press spacebar.
> Press down arrow repeatedly until you highlight Exit and press Enter.
> Press Enter to confirm exiting the OneDrive application, or tab to Cancel
> and press Enter if you change your mind.
> To resume syncing content again, launch the OneDrive application by finding
> its icon on the Start menu.
> Please note that simply opening the OneDrive folder is not sufficient to
> resume syncing content.
> You have to launch the OneDrive application for syncing to occur, although
> doing this also causes the OneDrive folder to open, which is a convenience
> provided by the application when it opens.
> You can always monitor the progress of syncing by opening the system tray,
> pressing down arrow to highlight the OneDrive entry, and you will hear the
> current status.
> Note also that leaving focus on this entry in the system tray does not give
> you dynamic status of the syncing process, that is, it is necessary to
> close
> and re-open the system tray and highlight the OneDrive entry in order to
> get
> the current status of OneDrive.
>
> Hth,
>
> Rod
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: November 4, 2015 8:40 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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> Subject: WE and windows 10 one drive
>
> I can't figure out how to stop Windows 10 from uploading and sync data
> to the one drive.  Anyone been able to stop this sync of data?
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Re: laptops and window-eyes

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

On Saturday, October 31, 2015, M Dorn via Talk 
wrote:

> Just be sure that it has a working num-pad so that you can control
> WindowEyes.  Whether or not it's got separate keys, or uses the letters
> with a modifier key, to make the numpad work, it needs to do more than type
> numbers; otherwise, the WE controls to move the mouse pointer around to
> review the screen won't work.  If you have to add an extra device that
> hangs off the laptop, it rather defeats the purpose of the convenience of a
> laptop.  My Dell, which is about 3 or 4 years old now, has a full keyboard
> with it's own num-pad like a regular keyboard would have for a desktop
> computer.  It's nice and easy to use.  I got an HP before that didn't have
> the real num-pad, and I had to send it back.
>
> TTFN,
> Marilyn
>
> At 09:20 AM 10/30/2015, you wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for a laptop which works well with window-eyes?
>> Thanks,
>> Don
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Re: sorry more eudora

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

On Sunday, October 11, 2015, ratshtron via Talk 
wrote:

> i sent this out earlier to someone on another list:
>
> you have to do the following:
> 1 press alt plus  for tools
> 2: press the home key to move to the first catagory
> 3: arrow right once to checking mail
> 4: shift tab 4 times to secure sockets when receiving last ssl button and
> press enter
> 5: shift tab 3 times to certificate information manager button and press
> enter
> 6: now, start pressing the right arrow till you do not hear any more
> changes
> 7: tab 9 times to add certificate button and press enter..
> 8: now, use your mouse cursor to find the done button near the bottom
> right of the screen and do a left mouse click
> 9: tab to the ok button and press enter and then tab again to the ok
> button and press enter, you are done. everytime this happens when receiving
> mail you must do these steps. if you receive the same type of message, when
> sending a message, then you must move to the sending mail catagory and do
> the same steps.
>
>
> Legend has it that on Friday 10/9/2015 07:50 PM, via Talk said:
> 
>
>> How do you make Eudora trust new certificates?
>>
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Re: What will I need?

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9.2

On Sunday, September 6, 2015, matthew dyer via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you have office 2010 or higher you can use the free office offer which
> will give you we 9.2 which is the version that suppo\rts windows 10.   If
> how  how ever you have a lisence for we, you will want to contact aisquared
> to get a disk from them as you will want we 9.2.  HTH.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
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> Subject: What will I need?
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> Dear list,
>
>I have a Windows 10 machine. I'm wondering what window eyes disc version
> I will need to install.  Thanks for your help,
>
>
>Dave
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Re: upgrading multiple computers?

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Clearly, you do not understand their license policy.
Before you start accusing companies of being unfair, try to know what
you're talking about.

On Saturday, August 15, 2015, Steve Clower via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Hello Simon,

 Feel free to update your other two machines. This will not effect your SMA
 in any way.

 Steve

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 on horseback via Talk
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 hello all,
 I have 3 computers here, have already upgraded one to WE9.2, and am
 thinking about upgrading my other 2 computers to WE9.2 as well. but don't
 particularly want them to eat up my 2 remaining SMAs when I do so. is there
 any way I can upgrade my other 2 machines with out this happening? as I
 feel that it is very unfair to ask or expect people to pay out for an
 upgrade multiple times.

 Simon

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Re: windows 10

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

It is off by default.

On Tuesday, August 4, 2015, Chris Grabowski via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Hi,
 That isn't a bug it is a feature.
 You need to give it permission to do so if you desire.
 Chris


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski javascript:;=
 aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Veronica
 Smith via Talk
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:27 PM
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 Discussion List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;
 Subject: RE: windows 10

 I heard that one of the bugs is Windows 10 will share your WIFI password
 with all your friends.

 -Original Message-
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 spinn@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of tchild via
 Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:21 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: windows 10

 As muc;h as we use our PC for watching videos, hulu, WWE network, you
 tube, etc. By next spring it will be time to replace the pc anyway so, I’ll
 probally wait till then to move to windows 10, by that time at least the
 major buggs should be fixed. LOL.
 Tony C.
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Re: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows 10

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I am a fully paid up user, not using windows for office. How can I download
a full install a version 9.2 to install on a fresh copy of windows 10? I
would rather not purchase a CD.

On Friday, July 31, 2015, Amy Gordon via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
wrote:

 Is there a way to do this without deleting window eyes before
 downloading window eyes for office or do u have to have a sighted
 person do this?

 On 7/31/15, Chris Grabowski via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 javascript:; wrote:
  Hi,
  Yes, go to windoweyesforoffice.com, select your language and download
 the
  full 9.2 installer for Office users.
 
  Chris
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski javascript:;=
 aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On
  Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:45 PM
  To: Rod Hutton rod_hut...@hotmail.com javascript:;; Window-Eyes
 Discussion List
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  Subject: Re: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of
 Windows
  10
 
  Rod,
 
  Can one download 9.2 for Office from the link you provided?  I don't
 have a
  DVD, especially seeing that I have Office 3 65, which BTW, yes, I did
 just
  renew.
 
  Chris.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;
  To: 'Chris Grabowski' cgrabow...@aisquared.com javascript:;;
 'Window-Eyes Discussion
  List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:31 AM
  Subject: Window-Eyes on Windows 10 Was RE: further impression of Windows
 10
 
 
  Hi,
 
  Just to be clear, if you get a new PC pre-installed with Windows 10,
  you'll need a full installer of Window-Eyes 9.2, either from a DVD or
  a download which the AI Squared staff can provide all owners of the
  retail version of Window-Eyes, as they did for me.
  Of course, for the users of Window-Eyes for Office, this would be
  available
  on:
 
  http://windoweyesforoffice.com.
 
  hth,
 
  Rod
 
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  From: Talk
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 hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On
  Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:45 AM
  To: Matthew Chao; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10
 
  Hi,
  You need 9.2 installed before upgrading to Windows 10.  If any version
  of Window-eyes prior to 9.2 is installed, Windows 10 will not install.
  Chris
 
 
 
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  On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:38 AM
  To: Josh Rivera josh.river...@gmail.com javascript:;; Window-Eyes
 Discussion List
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  Subject: RE: further impression of Windows 10
 
  Only one problem:  what if you don't have the Window-Eyes 9.2
  installation CD?  You can't install 9.1 first, then upgrade, can
  you?--Matthew Chao
 
  At 10:18 AM 7/30/2015 -0400, you wrote:
 I seem to remember that Doug advised not to install WE-9.2 until first
 installing Win-10. Then go ahead, and install 9.2.
 
 
 
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 From: Talk
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 gmail@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;] On
 Behalf Of Don H via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:58 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: further impression of Windows 10
 
 OK so I installed Windows 10 over a Windows 8.1 system.  The install
 went well and all programs worked after the install.  Thunderbird
 works fine Crome works fine and WE came up talking.
 Biggest issues is being very sluggish when it comes to file manager or
 when trying to use the up and down arrows to work through a list.
 This sluggishness is to the point of making file manager useless as it
 make take several seconds after you press the down or up arrows before
 WE talks.
 Unless I am missing something I understood that the Windows 7 style of
 start menu was part of Windows 10.  Unless there some way to change it
 it isn't even close to being a Windows 7 start menu.  Unless there is
 a fix for the sluggishness I would recommend thinking twice before
 upgrading to Windows 10.
 If I am again missing something and there is a easy fix please pass it
 along and I will gladly retract my negative report.
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Re: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Recall, it is not a partnership with all of Microsoft, it is with the
section of Microsoft that makes office.
Large organizations such as Microsoft our not simple to deal with, you have
many people with many agendas.

On Friday, July 31, 2015, Darren Harris via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 But the point stands though that if you're partnering with a company you
 would be working together. If you aren't then questions do therefore have
 to
 be asked. So if we cannot use the web edge or whatever it's called in win
 10
 then what options do we have? Options or no it's pretty bad show for
 accessibility not to be implemented and for efforts to make said programme
 work.

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 On Behalf Of Michael Massey via Talk
 Sent: 31 July 2015 11:56
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Windows 10 is working better than I expected

 Hi everyone.  Gary, I absolutely agree with your point that since Ai
 Squared
 is partnered with Microsoft that the Microsoft Edge browser should be
 accessible using Window-eyes 9.2 under Windows 10.  Yes, I know, none of
 the
 other major screen readers I've read and listened to podcasts about, work
 with Microsoft Edge.  Ai Squared in partnership with Microsoft should have
 been able to make Microsoft Edge accessible with Window-eyes.  I must admit
 that I have to take Marc Solomon's response to another list member
 regarding
 how difficult it really is to implement accessibility into a particular
 program.  However,.  I think Gary's point is a valid one.  Again, I am sure
 that from Marc's comments to the list member that implementing
 accessibility
 into Microsoft Edge is easier said than done under the circumstances.



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Re: Benefits of Windows 10

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Google may be able to assist you in this matter.

On Thursday, July 30, 2015, gary melconian via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Yes you can do that as long as you have Windows 7 or 8 on your machine.
 Also
 computers are now so cheap like tablets and near cheap pc's which will have
 windows 10, I would just invest in that method in a few months and save the
 headaches of upgrading or updating to  Windows 10.

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 Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
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 Subject: Re: Benefits of Windows 10

 I still have XP (believe it or not), but I heard a news item this morning
 to
 the effect that people who have Windows 7 and above will be allowed to
 upgrade to Windows 10 at no cost.  I don't know if this is true or not, but
 people might be able to save some money here if this is real.  Anyone know
 for sure?
 Kim Lingo

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 Subject: Benefits of Windows 10


  What are the benefits of upgrading to Windows 10  I am currently
  running Windows 7 pro.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: test

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Please stop sending these less than intelligent messages to the list. The
list is not echo your email back to you. If you believe you are
unsubscribe, then resubscribe the proper way.

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 just testing
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Re: socialeyes

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Facebook killed it, a few months ago, you are out of date

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talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 can socialeyes be ordered on line? if yes how? I am talking about a
 renewel? why don't managing friend requests work? when I hit manage a
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RE: For those with speech loss and crash issues

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

Don't be so subtle. Some won't get it.
KB



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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+krbarry=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Richard G Applegate via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 5:42 AM
To: 'Carolyn Arnold'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; wohlg...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: For those with speech loss and crash issues

  Hmm, 'wonder why exiting JAWS and restarting it fixes the Window-Eyes
speech problem ... (SMILE)


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[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.applegate=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold via Talk
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:07 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: For those with speech loss and crash issues

I have to exit JAWS, then turn it back on, when speech stops.

Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right. Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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From: Jim via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Mike Rogers harpm...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: For those with speech loss and crash issues


 Hi there!
 Don't really experience the loss of speech very often, but when I do, I 
 just press the 'Alt-Ctrl-W' and this brings my W.E. back. Really don't 
 know what causes W.E. to drop, but don't view it as being a big deal since

 the W.E. hotkey will bring it back for me. Just my two sence whatever 
 that's worth these days!
 TNX73 de
 KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail: wohlg...@gmail.com.

 On 28-Jun-15 09:50, Mike Rogers via Talk wrote:
 I have been having loss of speech more frequently, with Becky email and 
 W.E.  I was having to reboot, but today I exited Window euyes and 
 switched to N.V.D.A. I opened Becky email, then exited NVDA and switched 
 back to W.E.  The sound came back.  So this must be a Window Eyes issue.

 

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Re: Take the Screen Reader Survey!

[Kevin Barry via Talk]

On Thursday, June 25, 2015, Charles Short via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Try using firefox. ...I did it with no problem at all.
 Thanks
 Charlie


 Best Regards

 Charlie Short

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort javascript:;=
 verizon@lists.window-eyes.com javascript:;]
 On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:42 PM
 To: Kevin Huber; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Take the Screen Reader Survey!

 I tried to take it yesterday, and got a link not valid error.

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 From: Kevin Huber via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:34 PM
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Take the Screen Reader Survey!

 Hi Vaughan:

 Having taken the survey as well, I think that although braille wasn't
 mentioned specifically, there were oppertunities for the person taking the
 survey to bring that up.  For instance, as I recall, there was a question
 which asked us to list, or tell them what should be improved.
 We  could have mentioned the braille support or whatever.  To be honest, I
 hadn't thought of it, so I'm glad that you did.
 My other comment is that since GW Micro is now part of AISquared, and since
 AISquared's flagship product is Zoomtext, Screen enlargement is probably
 more of an issue to them right now. I hope that Braille remains a priority
 for AISquared and that Window-eyes will continue to work on improving its
 braille support as needed.
 Kevin Huber



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  I tok the survey a short time ago, and upon completion, I found myself
  feeling quite cynical about AI Square's prorities.
 
  Specificallyh: no mention of braille, but referfence to magnification.
 
  There were no questions relating to customer support, or the absence
  thereof if you live outside the United States.
 
  Including questions which enable users to rank the importance of touch
  screen access and dictation signal the modern reality of computer
  access, but probably due to Microsoft's attitude, screen reader access
  to Windows is falling a long way behind the efforts of Apple and to a
  lesser extent, Google.
 
 
  Vaughan.
 
 
 
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  To: 'matthew dyer'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Martha Reaney'
  Subject: RE: Take the Screen Reader Survey!
 
  Hi,
 
  I also took the survey yesterday, and sincerely hope that AIsquared
  will tell us what was the outcome, and what the users preferred options
 are.
 
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  Sent: Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:49
  To: 'Martha Reaney'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
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  Hi I szaw this on twitter and took it yesterday so we wil;l see what
  the results are later.
 
 
 
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  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:23 PM
  To: Jeremy Curry; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: Take the Screen Reader Survey!
 
  Yes, the link in the secodn email that Jeremy sent out is working for me.
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