Re: [OSM-talk] That nice popup about the State of the Map

2014-09-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/8/2014 11:45 AM, Cristian Consonni wrote: Both are absolutely good points, for the first one can I suggest to use the same system that is used on Wikimedia websites? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Geonotice Code to add geonotices to a Mediawiki wiki is unlikely to be directly applicable

Re: [OSM-talk] That nice popup about the State of the Map

2014-09-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/8/2014 12:03 PM, Cristian Consonni wrote: (Ruby on Rails? i thought it was PHP!) With the exception of some API calls in C++, the code powering the website is all Ruby on Rails. There's also obviously user-facing Javascript. The map rendering and geocoding are not part of the website on

[OSM-talk] openstreetmap-carto upgrade, new features, interesting issues

2014-09-06 Thread Paul Norman
After a delay for hardware reasons (a drive having issues in a rendering server), the Standard stylesheet on OpenStreetMap.org has been upgraded to v2.20.0 of openstreetmap-carto. As always, a full list of changes can be found at github, via

Re: [Talk-es] [CAT2OSM2] Nueva versión 2014-09-02

2014-09-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 9/2/2014 4:04 AM, Ander Pijoan wrote: Hola a todos, Siguiendo las discusiones que hemos tenido durante estos días y visto que hay algunos usuarios que estáis subiendo parcelas de vuestras poblaciones, hemos hecho un pequeño cambio para que os sea más fácil. - La dirección ya no se pone

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/29/2014 9:41 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: And then I can point you to oddly connected roads, and a lack of buildings, or new buildings. Those things should certainly be mapped, but there are other projects to put historical data. ___ Talk-us mailing

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/28/2014 10:56 PM, Hans De Kryger wrote: Is this abandoned railway really need at all? The last person to touch it was NE2. If there's no trace on the ground, delete it. If it's still there but without tracks, use railway=dismantled (e.g. a bed). By the looks of it, a lot of it goes

[OSM-talk] Routing on OpenStreetMap.org: Bug checks wanted

2014-08-28 Thread Paul Norman
There is currently a pull request up for adding routing to OpenStreetMap.org which could use another check over for bugs. A demo instance is running at http://jsrouting.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/. Although bug reports are needed, requests to expand the scope or redesign the UI are unlikely

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-08-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/27/2014 9:47 AM, Edward Betts wrote: Does anybody have a strong preference that the edits are split up by region, or loaded in batches? Any objections? When the idea of a mechanical edit to add wikidata tags to objects in GB came up, the local view was against it. How will you make sure

Re: [OSM-talk] web page element browsing history regression

2014-08-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/25/2014 9:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I understand that this is an open source project with volunteer contributions, but that part actually WAS already functional for years. Would it be possible to get the old browsing and history pages back, at least until someone comes up with an

Re: [OSM-talk] Detrimental to the OSM database

2014-08-24 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/24/2014 2:48 AM, Lester Caine wrote: It's not the 'brightness - it's the compressed contrast which is has always been the problem with iD. maproulette does not link to potlatch2 which I'd normally use when not on a system with JOSM running ... iD does not compress imagery contrast. I just

Re: [talk-au] City of Melbourne data imports

2014-08-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/19/2014 3:42 PM, Daniel Sobey wrote: Hi Steve, There is a lot of open data that could potentially be used from data.gov http://data.gov and state portals. http://www.data.gov.au/ https://www.data.vic.gov.au/ http://data.sa.gov.au/ Much of this was released for the govhack competition

Re: [OSM-talk] Carto: High zoom levels (17-19) not updated

2014-08-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/18/2014 11:01 AM, colliar wrote: Is it only me or do other also see no updates of zoom level 17 to 19 of the main mapnik renderer. Usually, they update within minutes when reloaded but now I am waiting for some days and nothing happens.

Re: [OSM-talk] extracts for historical views at a specific point in time

2014-08-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/14/2014 6:59 AM, Richard Welty wrote: i have a need to be able to generate mapnik tiles for part of NY State to show what the OSM view of it looked like maybe 2 years ago. is there a documented process for pulling an extract like that? Two years ago is before the redaction, so you need CC

Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation

2014-08-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/5/2014 12:06 AM, Pavlo Dudka wrote: It seems that the only place not allowed for adding name:** is UK. That's why I started this discussion here. Should we discuss it internationaly? There is a general understanding that name:xx is for the name in the language xx, not a translation of

Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM

2014-08-04 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/4/2014 10:12 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: I don't know if it is still possible to reconstruct a planet from pre-redaction changesets [2], The redaction doesn't matter for reconstructing old data - for pre-2007 we're talking API v0.3 data or earlier, with segments.

Re: [Talk-ca] Winnipeg Open Data portal

2014-08-01 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/1/2014 10:16 AM, Michael Zajac wrote: Does this look compatible with OSM? No one has yet evaluated the various OGL variants for compatibility with other licenses. I've gotten explicit statements of compatibility from some sources. For that matter, the various variants aren't listed as

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-31 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/30/2014 6:18 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Paul, Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out where the problems are- not trying to dig deeply into them yet- I'm looking for clusters of problems (ie San Diego), or I heard about a problem in Michigan where someone decided to revert a bunch of the

Re: [Talk-us] Road abbreviations

2014-07-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/30/2014 1:45 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: So if you have expertise in Tilemill, I'd love the help in setting up some tiles that show probable abbreviations. I have the databases to do this, but it's not clear to me how to visualize this. Just color roads in that have abbreviations?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/28/2014 12:07 AM, Alex Barth wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com mailto:penor...@mac.com wrote: Please review: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guideline Alex, you mention it was based on what you've

Re: [OSM-talk] Using Notes in France

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/29/2014 1:32 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: Well I was surveying some area in France earlier this year and found a spot with missing street names so I marked it in and a JBacc1 (same JB?) commented so what (in French Oui. Quels sont-ils ?) and resolved it thus. I reopened it with

Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread Paul Norman
if no further action by the mapper. I've contacted the user. As the import didn't meet some of the basic consultation/documentation requirements and appears to be cleanly revertable, I've started a revert. Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ Talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-28 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/28/2014 6:31 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/28/2014 12:07 PM, Tadeusz Knapik wrote: What I'm not clear is if community guidelines are strong enough to able to change it without touching the license itself There's a couple sides to this. OSMF is limited to distributing the data under

[Talk-ca] Mapillary coverage in Vancouver

2014-07-28 Thread Paul Norman
For some time I have been taking pictures to map from, and now that Mapillary is out, I finally have a way to share them. Mapillary is a company that is making a service similar to the old OpenStreetView, where they collect pictures of roads. The difference is that they currently offer the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/10/2014 7:52 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Please review: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guideline The next step is probably to update this page to represent what there is consensus on out of the discussions and remove what there isn't consensus on. Anyone want

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

2014-07-27 Thread Paul Norman
On 7/15/2014 3:00 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I will follow up with some numbers, unless Paul changes his mind about this not having much interest and crunches the numbers before me. Of the approximately 28k exit_to nodes, 24k are children of two or three ways with exactly one of those ways

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Voting as Associate Member

2014-07-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-23 8:29 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, Could anyone provide some insight into voting as a Normal Member vs as an Associate Member of the Foundation? Reading (76) of the AoA (http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association) this would cover most voting situations I have

[OSM-talk] Upcoming openstreetmap-carto changes

2014-07-22 Thread Paul Norman
v2.17.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released, though not yet deployed on tile.osm.org. Significant changes include * Rendering other shop values with a generic icon (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/604) * Rendering wider road shields, and converting

Re: [Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

2014-07-19 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-19 2:46 PM, Mike N wrote: I suspect that most of the unusual cases would be too complicated for MapRoulette because of the need to consult with a governmental reference. Or actually survey them. Aside from first-hand knowledge being superior, there tends to be a high error rate in

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-18 10:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-18 10:53 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Space Ports

2014-07-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-15 10:37 AM, Scott Rollins wrote: ​I think we hit a divided by a common language situation here. From the dictionaries I found, launchpad appears to be perfectly acceptable (and, it appeared to me, the preferred spelling) in American English. Although I'm not commenting on the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-15 4:26 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: As long as the purpose of a geocoder is geocoding, and not reverse engineering OSM, then it sensibly fits within the notions of an ODbL produced work. A geocoder isn't a produced work or a derived database - it's software. Do you mean a geocoding

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

2014-07-15 Thread Paul Norman
a Turing machine to make an automated edit of this (esp where there's center exits, or more than one in the same spot left and right). On Jul 5, 2014 4:31 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 2014-06-23 4:16 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: We should approach automated edits with a great deal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-14 8:15 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: This is also how I'm reading this. Obviously the sticky point is the definition of what's a database in this sentence: systematically recreate a database from the process. You

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-14 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-14 11:26 AM, Alex Barth wrote: Also if we assume geocoding yields Produced Work the definition of Substantial doesn't matter. A database that is based upon the Database, and includes any translation, adaptation, arrangement, modification, or any other alteration of the Database or

Re: [OSM-talk] The biggest violation of OpenStreetMap, ever.

2014-07-13 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-09 11:42 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2014, Michael Reichert wrote: The website now has an attriution in the lower right corner: © Geopoi, Map Data: © Here, OpenStreetMap contributors Here is a link to http://here.com/ OpenStreetMap is a link to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-11 Thread Paul Norman
On Jul 11, 2014, at 04:11 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: What I'm looking for a is a clear interpretation by the community, supported OSMF, an interpretation that is a permissive reading of the ODbL on geocoding to unlock use cases.   Guidelines need to be accurate and supported by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal

2014-07-10 Thread Paul Norman
On Jul 10, 2014, at 07:54 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: I just updated the Wiki with a proposed community guideline on geocoding. In a nutshell: geocoding with OSM data yields Produced Work, share alike does not apply to Produced Work, other ODbL stipulations such as attribution do

Re: [Talk-us] Missing boundaries in Glendale Arizona.

2014-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
On Jul 07, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: Potlatch 1 lets you undelete ways you've deleted: follow the instructions at [1] to open Potlatch 1, then press U. You'll see deleted ways in red: select one and press the Unlock button in the tagging area to

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping event in Baltimore

2014-07-08 Thread Paul Norman
I added to the events calendar (http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Current_events), which is on the Wiki front page. On Jul 07, 2014, at 08:01 PM, Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be there! I'll see if I can get some of the other OSM locals out there too. https://flic.kr/p/n5HyuZ

Re: [talk-au] AGRI.openstreetmap.org not working

2014-07-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-05 5:03 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: As the title says agri.openstreetmap.org does not appear to be working. Cheers Ross A number of servers are being moved to a new data center at UCL. See https://blog.openstreetmap.org/ for more info. I believe the move is complete, and everything

Re: [Talk-us] exit_to vs destination

2014-07-05 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-23 4:16 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: We should approach automated edits with a great deal of caution - but that's a separate discussion. I think converting exit_to to destination would be hard to do anyway because exit_to is added to the motorway_junction node, whereas destination

Re: [Talk-us] Usage of exit_to

2014-07-03 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-07-03 7:13 PM, Bill R. WASHBURN wrote: I like how clearly you explain the differences. Since destination= is so much more intuitive and so much more widely used, should we depreciate exit_to, indicate on the wiki that exit_to is depreciated, and make a concerted effort to migrate

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour

2014-06-30 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-30 9:59 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hey all! I created the Mappy Hour event for tonight! But I won't be able to make it, unfortunately... Who can be there at 5:30 PDT / 8:30 EDT to get it started? All that means is that you show up so there's someone there :) If you have a few

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reliefweb as data source for OSM?

2014-06-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-29 1:33 AM, Lukas Sommer wrote: Hello. Reliefweb is a service of the United Nations, that contains maps, mostly concerning regions where have been desaster and where humanitairian aid is necessary. Their permission can be found here: http://reliefweb.int/map_permission Is it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reliefweb as data source for OSM?

2014-06-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-29 3:12 AM, Paul Norman wrote: Is this really acceptable for OSM? If by use you mean upload content to the API based on it, then yes. Whoops - s/yes/no/ Writing messages late at night. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Reliefweb as data source for OSM?

2014-06-29 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-29 3:21 AM, Lukas Sommer wrote: I’m not aware of content that has been imported, but I found http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Uganda/Data_Sources#Relief_Web and wasn’t sure about if this is possible or not. So we can resume that it is not allowed to upload content

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-24 6:50 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Do you propose cutting the areas out of the states, i.e. so that IRs are not in any admin_level=4 relations? That's what you have to do if you're fitting IRs into the admin_level hierarchy. No, since the states often have agreements for limited

Re: [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-06-25 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-25 3:36 PM, Steve All wrote: Paul Norman wrote: I took TIGER data and produced data showing what some states would look like: https://gist.github.com/pnorman/30244b2984216285735d Those are truly excellent visualizations, Paul. Thank you for producing them. Whether right

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations

2014-06-23 Thread Paul Norman
kind. Most of the parent relations themselves had no tags and no other members. On 2014-06-16 1:17 PM, Paul Norman wrote: I'm proposing a regular mechanical edit to remove relations over two days old with no tags, no members, and that are version 1. The reasons for this are hopefully obvious

Re: [Talk-us] (no subject)

2014-06-23 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-23 8:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Supreme Court rules for a second time that indian nations are domestic dependent nations with inherent sovereign authority. This affirms that indian reservations are higher than the state level, lower than the federal level. This sounds like the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Imports] N50 imports from Kartverket (The Norwegian Mapping Authority)

2014-06-22 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-21 3:00 PM, Tor wrote: 21. juni 2014 kl. 23:03 skrev Paul Norman penor...@mac.com: I've been looking for some statement that CC BY 4.0 is compatible with ODbL (Or ODC-BY). COuld you provide details on the compatibility? As a reminder, CC BY 3.0 and earlier are incompatible

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Imports] N50 imports from Kartverket (The Norwegian Mapping Authority)

2014-06-21 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-12 3:01 PM, Tor Mehus wrote: BACKGROUND In September 2013 the Norwegian Mapping Authority (Kartverket) released various data sets under an OSM compatible licence (CC BY 4.0; http://www.kartverket.no/Kart/Gratis-kartdata/Lisens/). I've been looking for some statement that CC BY 4.0

Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy

2014-06-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-20 12:47 PM, Johan C wrote: However, I don't think it's a good idear that the DWG can decide on policies/guidelines/requirements etcetera because it's the same DWG that uses these policies/guidelines/requirements for enforcing. The DWG does not decide policies. That is one of the

[OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations

2014-06-16 Thread Paul Norman
I'm proposing a regular mechanical edit to remove relations over two days old with no tags, no members, and that are version 1. The reasons for this are hopefully obvious. They should only exist through editor bugs, and contain no data from users of any kind. There are currently 1.4k relations

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed repeated mechanical edit: Empty relations

2014-06-16 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-16 3:55 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm curious, can you get a count of empty relations by editor and age? Basically, current, and then yearly? There have been past cleanups, so what you're talking about would need to involve looking at historical data, which I don't have loaded up,

[Talk-ca] Central Park meetup: lot full

2014-06-14 Thread Paul Norman
The parking lot at swangard stadium is full for an event. Parking lot off of boundary nearest, marked for pool/stadium. Call 604 7792432 if needed. Wearing high vis osm vest Sent from my iPhone ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] openstreetmap-carto updates

2014-06-09 Thread Paul Norman
Version 2.15.0 of the openstreetmap-carto was just released Full changes: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/v2.14.0...v2.15.0 There were a lot of behind the scenes cleanups to the style, but two notable changes are landuse recolouring and track restyling. Landuse

[OSM-talk] Canadian OSM POI quality

2014-06-08 Thread Paul Norman
I was curious how complete OpenStreetMap shop data was, so decided to do an analysis for some Canadian chains. The results were mixed. Starting with a Canada extract, I processed the data into PostGIS and ran queries against name, brand and franchise for objects where amenity, office or shop was

[Talk-ca] Canadian OSM POI quality

2014-06-08 Thread Paul Norman
I was curious how complete OpenStreetMap shop data was, so decided to do an analysis for some Canadian chains. The results were mixed. Starting with a Canada extract, I processed the data into PostGIS and ran queries against name, brand and franchise for objects where amenity, office or shop was

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?)

2014-06-08 Thread Paul Norman
On 2014-06-08 1:28 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: What would you consider a demonstration of success exactly? Tom Tom, Measuring the success of a bot can be done in the same way that the success is measured in a statistical model; Type I and Type II errors. So for example, if the test is to

Re: [Talk-ca] Local Vancouver meeting

2014-06-04 Thread Paul Norman
digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Local Vancouver meeting: Map Central Park (Clifford Snow) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:53:03 -0700 From: Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us To: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com

[Talk-ca] Local Vancouver meeting: Map Central Park

2014-06-03 Thread Paul Norman
I am planning on hosting a mapping event in Central Park (http://osm.org/way/23165846), in Burnaby, BC. My tentative date is Sunday, June 15th at around noon, but if people want a different time I could shift it. The park is a major park in the region, but under-mapped, with potentially not

Re: [Talk-us] Battlegrid

2014-05-21 Thread Paul Norman
The standard tag for where a road is misnamed in some other commonly referred to source is not:name. How to deal with well-intentioned mappers damaging the map by re-introducing bad data is an open question. They can actually cause quite a lot of damage without intending to, and the systematic

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Highly suspicious edit

2014-05-17 Thread Paul Norman
there's a legitimate reason behind creating an alt explicitly created for vandalism. Reverted and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/468 Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy

2014-05-14 Thread Paul Norman
From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy I have to say, my initial reaction to this proposal was that it was heavy handed, unnecessarily punitive, over reaching, and not in the spirit of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Community Guidelines (was Re: Attribution)

2014-05-13 Thread Paul Norman
From: Luis Villa [mailto:lvi...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:17 PM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Community Guidelines (was Re: Attribution) The LWG has spent considerable time discussing the geocoding issue, so it is not as if

[OSM-talk] Organizational mapping policy

2014-05-13 Thread Paul Norman
and blocking. Paul Norman For the Data Working Group ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Redaction of inproperly imported protected areas data

2014-05-09 Thread Paul Norman
I held off on the redaction because there was some hope of getting Permission from the WDPA, but it looks like they won't be licensing the data under an open license, or giving us special permission. -Original Message- From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday

Re: [Talk-ec] [OSM-talk] Redaction of inproperly imported protected areas data

2014-05-09 Thread Paul Norman
I held off on the redaction because there was some hope of getting Permission from the WDPA, but it looks like they won't be licensing the data under an open license, or giving us special permission. -Original Message- From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday

Re: [Talk-in] Telangana borders

2014-05-08 Thread Paul Norman
From: Abhishek [mailto:cheerful...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 9:20 AM To: talk-in@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-in] Telangana borders Hi, Not sure if this has been discussed before (I'm an Indian OSM contributor based in the US) -- but the thought occurred to me so I

Re: [Talk-us] Local groups on the map!

2014-05-07 Thread Paul Norman
From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:09 AM To: Martijn van Exel Cc: OSM US Talk Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Local groups on the map! a) A polygon indicates an area of exclusivity, and no other OSM groups are permitted within the area without the

Re: [Talk-es] Odd edits by Tino Pinilla

2014-05-05 Thread Paul Norman
source?). My questions are: Is it necessary to lower the number of nodes? If yes, what is the best way? Delete and redo? On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com mailto:penor...@mac.com wrote: I saw a number of odd edits by Tino Pinilla in Provincia de

[Talk-us] Upcoming talk: Rendering server optimization at SeaPUG

2014-05-03 Thread Paul Norman
On Tuesday May 6th I'll be giving a talk in the evening at the Seattle Postgres Users Group on optimizing the Postgres side of an OpenStreetMap tile rendering server. This is an adapted version of the talk I gave at the regional conference in April, which you can see at

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-05-02 Thread Paul Norman
From: Luis Villa [mailto:lvi...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:09 AM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial Without going further into the details of the many drafting shortcomings of ODBL (which, to be

[OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guidelin e for guideline text. The Open Data License defines a term 'Substantial' which is then used in the License to define a threshold about when certain clauses come into effect. Substantial is a term defined in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
From: Luis Villa [mailto:lvi...@wikimedia.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 3:10 PM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Guideline review: Substantial Reminder that Simon has pointed out here quite recently that ODBL claims to be a binding contract

[Talk-es] Odd edits by Tino Pinilla

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
I saw a number of odd edits by Tino Pinilla in Provincia de Barcelona, Catalunya, Spain, such as http://www.osm.org/changeset/21898498 The changeset has the tags created_by=Tino Pinilla and source=knowledge, and the ways have tags like CAS=VIA21. The spacing of nodes is odd, and not what I'd

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name

2014-04-29 Thread Paul Norman
From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 12:06 PM To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap Subject: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this something that

Re: [Talk-ca] Adding a trail to OSM that is also a road

2014-04-21 Thread Paul Norman
You’re best off tagging the road (highway=track probably, maybe highway=unclassified) and indicating that it’s part of the Trans Canada Trail with a relation. From: Brian Lang [mailto:bril...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:15 PM To: Richard Weait Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Review of IndianaMap as potential datasource

2014-04-19 Thread Paul Norman
If they want to release it under public domain they should just stick a CC0 or PDDL license on it. This would be far simpler than trying to figure out how a grant of rights to a third-party organization affects us, and would allow the use of the data by anyone, including Wikipedia, without any

Re: [OSM-talk] Are there some infos about the outtake ?

2014-04-17 Thread Paul Norman
From: colliar [mailto:colliar4e...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:15 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Are there some infos about the outtake ? Hey Are there any infos available about the current outtake ? I am just curious if I will have a chance to upload

Re: [Talk-ko] Help identifying map

2014-04-09 Thread Paul Norman
make me think congnamul.com, but honestly I couldn't say for sure. Robert We should give meaning to life, not wait for life to give us meaning. ~ unknown --- On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: With my DWG work I ran across an online Korean map that I need

Re: [OSM-talk] admin_level 4 rendering

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Norman
Subarea members are a pain and duplicate geographic information, but I don’t think they cause any performance issues, largely because all the relevant tools ignore them. From: Pierre Béland [mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 12:29 PM To: Felix Delattre Cc: Talk

[Talk-us] SOTM-US room/ride sharing

2014-04-07 Thread Paul Norman
For those who don't know, there's a place on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2014 for people to indicate if they want to arrange a room share. Washington is fairly expensive, so a room share is one way to save money. Disclosure: I'm on the list of people looking to split

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey

2014-04-05 Thread Paul Norman
From: Paulo Carvalho [mailto:paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 8:51 AM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey Dear fellow mappers, Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the

Re: [Talk-ca] coastline between Montreal and Sorel, Quebec

2014-04-04 Thread Paul Norman
From: perso...@charleskiyanda.com [mailto:perso...@charleskiyanda.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 9:27 AM To: Harald Kliems Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] coastline between Montreal and Sorel, Quebec The question of where does the coastline end and riverbank start

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Norman
Keep in mind since OpenAddresses is a database of databases, there's a license on the OpenAddress database (CC0) and then the licenses on its contents (the address databases). Unfortunately, using the data requires converting each different schema to whatever schema you require. It's a fairly

[OSM-talk] Looking for names in South Asian languages

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Norman
I'm currently working on South Asia font support for openstreetmap-carto, the default style on openstreetmap.org I'm trying to find names on rendered features in a few scripts - Sinhala (si) - Gujarati (gu) - Gurmukhi (Script for Punjabi, pa) - Kannada (kn) - Oriya (or) My initial research

[Talk-at] Landuse ref cleanup needed in Tyrol

2014-03-21 Thread Paul Norman
me on replies as I do not receive list messages. Thanks, Paul Norman ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at

[Talk-in] Devanagari font feedback

2014-03-15 Thread Paul Norman
I'm looking for some feedback on font selection for the default OpenStreetMap.org layer. One of my projects is to improve the font support of local scripts, and I'm currently looking at South Asia. Unfortunately, I can't read the languages I'm working with. I've put together a list of available

Re: [OSM-talk] where to buy custom, large print OSM maps?

2014-03-08 Thread Paul Norman
If you have a suitable style for print, it's not too hard to make a large image that can then be printed in high quality at Office Depot, Staples, Fedex stores, etc. The hard part is the map style. From: Mikel Maron [mailto:mikel_ma...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 5:13 AM To:

Re: [OSM-talk] Tile refresh on openstreetmap.org

2014-03-01 Thread Paul Norman
From: Matthijs Melissen [mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 5:28 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tile refresh on openstreetmap.org Would there be a way to avoid large rendering queues with every update? Rolling out the stylesheets region

[OSM-talk] Thai font feedback for style updates

2014-02-24 Thread Paul Norman
Right now the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a fallback for characters not in the DejaVu font. As Unifont is designed to support all characters and not to look good, this can lead to ugly and difficult to read text in parts. I'm looking at Thai fonts right now and would like

Re: [Talk-ca] Fwd: workflow for elevation data

2014-02-23 Thread Paul Norman
From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Date: Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] workflow for elevation data To: Charles Basenga Kiyanda perso...@charleskiyanda.com There was a service, run by long time OpenStreetMap user lambertus, that displayed an elevation profile graph

Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

2014-02-22 Thread Paul Norman
From: William Rieck [mailto:bi...@thinkers.org] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name? Hi Paul, I was following your message until this statement, where I got confused. Are you saying the city of Langley is not a city? What

Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

2014-02-22 Thread Paul Norman
; Paul Norman Cc: talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name? Oups I was wrong in identifiying the polygons in JOSM. These are two adjacent polygons, the city being surrounded by the township. The difference in spelling comes from the alt_name=Langley. I should have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-ca] Nouvelle licence de données ouvertes au Québec

2014-02-21 Thread Paul Norman
CC BY 3.0 and earlier had onerous attribution requirements for data. I believe 4.0 fixes this. I don't think anyone has suggested contacting a data provider who's licensed under CC 4.0 licenses to clarify attribution. The issue with 3.0 attribution are not purely theoretical, there have been

Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-legal-talk] Nouvelle licence de données ouvertes au Québec

2014-02-21 Thread Paul Norman
CC BY 3.0 and earlier had onerous attribution requirements for data. I believe 4.0 fixes this. I don't think anyone has suggested contacting a data provider who's licensed under CC 4.0 licenses to clarify attribution. The issue with 3.0 attribution are not purely theoretical, there have been

Re: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name?

2014-02-20 Thread Paul Norman
From: Daniel Friesen [mailto:dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:10 AM To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-ca] Updating Langley and use of alt_name? I'm a little new to OSM, recently I found that neither of the city boundaries for the Langley area

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