Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: But OSM does not require copyright assignment, so it is not *directly* relevant. What OSMF requires in the current draft is for you to effectively give up your copyright altogether. OSMF then copyrights the database as a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-01 Thread Rob Myers
On 01/01/10 17:40, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: But OSM does not require copyright assignment, so it is not *directly* relevant. What OSMF requires in the current draft is for you to effectively give up your copyright

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright Assignment

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 01/01/10 17:40, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: But OSM does not require copyright assignment, so it is not *directly* relevant. What OSMF requires in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: This document implies UNICEF doesn't even know OSM exists, which is just as worring as them funding Google's map making Well, has anyone from OSM spoken to them? Is there any kind of outreach program? Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Valuable Tracks found / French + Portuguese translators needed.

2010-01-01 Thread Martin
Hi Thanks for your offer and sorry for waiting that long. The problem is that i'm also not native english speaker. The most relevant thing is to be kind of course and as native portuguese speaker your words would get automatically more kind than my english text. The most relevant part to ask

[OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Chris Hill
I've just noticed that AlexanderF is changing all the maxheight=2.0 to maxheight=2. In fact he's changing anything ending with 0 after the decimal point to drop the zero. This is not good, he is lowering the accuracy of the tag, which is why they are displayed with a trailing zero on signs.

[OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
I've got a trace from today which is significantly out of sync with a path I traced from Nearmap: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-37.880138lon=145.193417zoom=19gpx=594988 The trace looks like I was wandering through the grassy paddock, but I was actually following exactly that northern

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Dave F.
Chris Hill wrote: I've just noticed that AlexanderF is changing all the maxheight=2.0 to maxheight=2. In fact he's changing anything ending with 0 after the decimal point to drop the zero. This is not good, he is lowering the accuracy of the tag, which is why they are displayed with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: Chris Hill wrote: I've just noticed that AlexanderF is changing all the maxheight=2.0 to maxheight=2.  In fact he's changing anything ending with 0 after the decimal point to drop the zero.  This is not good, he is lowering the accuracy of the tag,

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Lennard
Dave F. wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? 2m =2.0m Mathematically, you may be right. But having 2.0 actually means that it is 2.0 m with +- 0.1 m accuracy. Putting it as 2 means

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? 2m =2.0m It reduces *indication of accuracy*. There's a difference between I

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? 2m =2.0m It reduces *indication of

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread SLXViper
Steve Bennett wrote: The trace looks like I was wandering through the grassy paddock, but I was actually following exactly that northern most highway=path in the bush. So it looks like the trace is incorrectly recorded something like 50m north of where I actually was. Now, since the

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 1 Jan 2010, at 13:07, Steve Bennett wrote: I've got a trace from today which is significantly out of sync with a path I traced from Nearmap: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-37.880138lon=145.193417zoom=19gpx=594988 The trace looks like I was wandering through the grassy

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.ukwrote: It is very common for GPSs to give errors for whatever reason. Interference is very common from things like buildings. Newer units are less likely to have an issue. You simply need to go along that track again a

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 31.12.2009 14:29, schrieb Anthony: Maybe, but while the supply of people willing to become mappers is limited, it isn't fixed. I took a quick look at GMM, and it looks to me like it's not a bad introductory class for potential OSM contributors. GMM doesn't offer anywhere near as many

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nop wrote: I can see how many people would prefer the simple way offered by Google. I can see that too, and I think it is perfectly ok. We do not have to be *the* world-wide collaborative mapping platform. Offering service to those who like it simple is costly, and I am not convinced

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: I believe that GMM can be a serious competition to OSM if it is simpler to use, easier to learn and thus more inviting to the casual newcomer. I'm still not convinced that competition is the proper term for it. With GMM you have

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 01.01.2010 15:48, schrieb Anthony: Only if you care. If you want simple, you click edit on potlatch, you draw the way, you click on the car until it turns into a bicycle, and you select cycle track. Then those of us on the mailing list write 1000 emails about whether or not you

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nop wrote: Not at first. But you note later, when your edit has been changed into something that you don't understand or someone sends you a notice to do it some other way. :-( But doesn't that happen with GMM a lot as well? Or that your edit is rejected altogether? Do we really have

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Ben Laenen
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? 2m =2.0m It reduces *indication of accuracy*. There's a

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Craig Wallace
On 01/01/2010 14:14, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: It is very common for GPSs to give errors for whatever reason. Interference is very common from things like buildings. Newer

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Ulf Möller
Craig Wallace schrieb: You can check the satellite screen on the Garmin. It should show an estimated position accuracy. The eTrex often claims 10m accuracy when in fact it is 50m off, so that doesn't really help. Using two different GPS receivers is a good idea if you don't want to survey

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 01/01/2010, at 17.40, Craig Wallace wrote: But I'd still agree with Shaun - a single GPS trace is not really accurate enough for adding ways to OSM IMO. I'd say get at least 2, preferably 1 in each direction. If they are close to each other you can be confident its probably accurate. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Countering Google's propaganda

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Nop ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote: But you note later, when your edit has been changed into something that you don't understand or someone sends you a notice to do it some other way. :-( 1) I really don't think someone who wants simple is going to check back later to

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Liz
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Craig Wallace wrote: You can check the satellite screen on the Garmin. It should show an estimated position accuracy. Also, you can look at which satellites its receiving. If its locked on to a reasonable number of satellites in a decent spread across the sky, you can

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 01/01/2010 14:14, Steve Bennett wrote: Well...ok. But in this case I have the aerial photography, so I can just trace it, once I know more or less where the path goes. Though yes, this is not really necessary

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Michael Hufer
On the Oregon 550(t) you will find the satellite almanac-screen if you touch the five-bars satellite reception indicator. Micha H. On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Craig Wallace wrote: You can check the satellite screen on the Garmin. It should show an estimated position accuracy. Also, you

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Igor Brejc
You can also use Oregon's Waypoint Averaging function to make more accurate positioning of waypoints. But you need to do this at different times (say on you next hiking trip when you cross the same waypoint) for this to be really effective. With couple of accurate waypoints it is easier to detect

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Aun Johnsen
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Aun Johnsen
The accuracy shown on your GPS unit is not necessary the actual accuracy, but just a calculated accuracy depending on the signals your unit is receiving. You can experience athmospheric disturbance, plasma-effects, signals reflected off tall buildings, canyon or urban canyon effects, bed satellite

[OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-01 Thread Claus Hindsgaul
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk wrote: * But it is documented in ** http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway since a while and is ** about 100 times in osmdoc. The problem with cycleway=lane is that the **

[OSM-talk] Multipolygon tags removed

2010-01-01 Thread Katie Filbert
I recently added some buildings to OSM that have courtyards, thus added a multipolygon relation to them. I notice now that some of these buildings are not rendering on OSM. Looking at the history, Ropino removed the multipolygon tag from the relation on December 8.

Re: [OSM-talk] Multipolygon tags removed

2010-01-01 Thread Andrzej Zaborowski
2010/1/1 Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com: I recently added some buildings to OSM that have courtyards, thus added a multipolygon relation to them.  I notice now that some of these buildings are not rendering on OSM.  Looking at the history, Ropino removed the multipolygon tag from the

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: So, numbers on signs about restrictions (maximum speed, maximum height, maximum length, maximum weight...): trailing zeros have no value, as those numbers are exact. Not necessarily. Perhaps the number on the sign came from

Re: [OSM-talk] Multipolygon tags removed

2010-01-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Katie Filbert wrote: Did I do something wrong with tagging buildings how I did? I think I tagged them correctly and undid these two. Your version was ok. (The role is optional and meant to make things easier for human editors.) Ropino has made a mistake. His changeset comment

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: The accuracy shown on your GPS unit is not necessary the actual accuracy, but just a calculated accuracy depending on the signals your unit is receiving. You can experience athmospheric disturbance, plasma-effects,

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Claus Hindsgaul claus.hindsg...@gmail.comwrote: The outcome of the discussion was by default to represent bicycle tracks/lanes with cycleway=track/lane tags in the accompagning road instead of separate cycleway=highway. The following expressed exceptions were

[OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open (was: Re: [Talk-GB] Yet another trunk road query - A495)

2010-01-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'm breaking this out of talk-gb and into talk. Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sadly [the openmtbmap author] refuses to open-source his code (http://openmtbmap.org/faq/#i-would-like-to-have-a-look-into-the-style-file-for-mkgmap), which is entirely his prerogative but a shame

Re: [OSM-talk] Multipolygon tags removed

2010-01-01 Thread Katie Filbert
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Andrzej Zaborowski andrew.zaborow...@intel.com wrote This is likely because the members of these two multipolygons didn't have roles assigned in the relation and instead had tags role=inner and role=outer -- may that be the editor's fault? That said I believe

Re: [OSM-talk] Multipolygon tags removed

2010-01-01 Thread Katie Filbert
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Your version was ok. (The role is optional and meant to make things easier for human editors.) I think it might have been okay, but I didn't tag it in the best way. Ropino has made a mistake. His changeset comment

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: So, numbers on signs about restrictions (maximum speed, maximum height, maximum length, maximum weight...): trailing zeros have no value, as those numbers are exact. Not

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: When I looked up WAAS on wikipedia a while ago, it appeared that we do have an equivalent system in Australia (although the term WAAS is american), but I'm not sure how to tell whether it's functioning in a given area. I switched the WAAS capability

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Even if you have access to good arial photography, remember that it might be out of alignment, it can be a good advise to gather some good fixes to check the alignment of your photos, this can be several GPS tracks along your trail. I'm pretty sure

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open (was: Re: [Talk-GB] Yet another trunk road query - A495)

2010-01-01 Thread Colin Marquardt
2010/1/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe it is time for us at OSM to make a distinction between (a) open projects in the sense and spirit of OSM, where scripts, style files, and everything else is open and license-wise available for everyone to look at and build upon, and (b)

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-01 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'm breaking this out of talk-gb and into talk. Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sadly [the openmtbmap author] refuses to open-source his code (http://openmtbmap.org/faq/#i-would-like-to-have-a-look-into-the-style-file-for-mkgmap), which is entirely his

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-01 Thread Dave F.
Colin Marquardt wrote: As a proud member of the (a) category[1], I'm all for it :) Cheers Colin 1 - http://mapnik-utils.googlecode.com/svn/sandbox/cascadenik/hike_n_bike/, http://gitorious.org/alpha-hillshading/alpha-hillshading/trees/master Err.. Sorry Colin, I read the readme other

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread edodd
2010/1/2 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: When I looked up WAAS on wikipedia a while ago, it appeared that we do have an equivalent system in Australia (although the term WAAS is american), but I'm not sure how to tell whether it's functioning in a given area. I switched the WAAS

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Aun Johnsen
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/2 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Even if you have access to good arial photography, remember that it might be out of alignment, it can be a good advise to gather some good fixes to check the alignment

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:49 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/2 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Even if you have access to good arial photography, remember that it might be out of alignment, it can be a good advise to gather some good fixes to check the alignment

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: I think it's high time this was done. IMO, OCM should be removed from the main map options asked persuasively to rename themselves as they're not really open, are they? What do you suggest they rename to? FreeCycleMap? :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Where are you getting that sub-metre accuracy claim from?  This thread (http://www.mail-archive.com/talk...@openstreetmap.org/msg03414.html), which you contributed to, throws out 3-5 meters, 1-4 meters, and 5 meters or so. They claim the imagery should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org: Than they have done a hell of a job on aligning the fotos, cudos to them. I know that Yahoo imagery varies from less then 1 meter to at least 30 meters on the hi-res, havn't seen nearmap, and as I understand its only for Australia, so I would not

Re: [OSM-talk] Not-properly-Open-but-called-Open

2010-01-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: We cannot, and do not want to, trademark the words open, free and the like, but I think we could be a little bit more assertive about whom we consider to be a kindred spirit and who is doing his own thing, and apply the tiniest amount of pressure for people to upgrade from

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trac

2010-01-01 Thread Chris Hunter
Sorry about the formatting on the quoted part. I'm writing from my BlackBerry. IIRC all of the correction stations (WAAS / EGNOS / etc...) are listed at or above satellite number 45 on your satellite / accuracy screen. An easy test is to go to an area with a clear view of the sky and take a

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2010/1/2 Anthony o...@inbox.org: This seems like somewhere that the wisdom of crowds actually applies.  I think I'd trust the average of a bunch of independent GPS traces to a single orthorectified aerial - especially in an area which isn't extremely flat. But I guess I might be convinced

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Thanks for the comments, everyone. In all my playing with nearmap, I have little reason to doubt their accuracy. There are a couple of little seams here and there, but nothing more than a couple of metres. Giving the way this trace here meanders all over the place, I'm pretty confident that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Defective GPS trace

2010-01-01 Thread Liz
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010, Michael Hufer wrote: On the Oregon 550(t) you will find the satellite almanac-screen if you touch the five-bars satellite reception indicator. Thanks, will try it. Later I might read the instructions. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Cycleways wiki doc enhanced

2010-01-01 Thread Lester Caine
Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Claus Hindsgaul claus.hindsg...@gmail.com mailto:claus.hindsg...@gmail.com wrote: The outcome of the discussion was by default to represent bicycle tracks/lanes with cycleway=track/lane tags in the accompanying road instead

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: By contrast, in my suburb of Ruse, NSW (not far from Harrington Park - look it up) there is a major road (Junction Road) through the middle of it, rendered as tertiary, and always coloured yellow in street directories.

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: As long as they are tagged properly it's up to the render style sheet as to what renders. Perhaps you could add this comment to your signature and avoid the spam? No offence, but you really don't need to repeat

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As long as they are tagged properly it's up to the render style sheet as to what renders. Perhaps you could add this comment to your signature and avoid the spam? No

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As long as they are tagged properly it's up to the render style sheet as to what renders. Perhaps you could add this

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: You asked a question, I replied if you don't like the answer that's your problem, No, if you constantly repeat yourself on a mailing list, it's *everybody*'s problem. Everyone here understands that renderers can filter

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways (roads etc) that form the outer boundary. Just

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: No, if you constantly repeat yourself on a mailing list, it's *everybody*'s problem. Everyone here understands that renderers can filter out information. Just like I could reply to every message and say Different people tag in different ways, and

Re: [talk-au] Alcohol Free Zones

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: I know Bendigo has an 'alcohol free zone' which would be useful to capture. Initial thoughts are that it is best represented as a relation, made up of the ways

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, John, I'm adding you to my killfile. I'm not getting anything out of corresponding with you other than frustration, and I'm finding your messages consist mostly of unhelpful stubborn posturing, and too little useful content. I'm sure our bickering is only pissing everyone else off as well.

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, John, I'm adding you to my killfile. I'm not getting anything out of corresponding with you other than frustration, and I'm finding your messages consist mostly of unhelpful stubborn posturing, and too little useful My answers are perfectly

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with this scheme is you can't do, first sunday of the month for example. Surely someone in some field has already come across this problem before - i.e. surely someone's already developed a formal

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/1 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with this scheme is you can't do, first sunday of the month for example. Surely someone in some field has already come across this problem before - i.e.

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Jim Croft
iso 8601: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 jim On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with this scheme is you can't do, first sunday of the month for example.

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd/z/x/y.jpg (where nmd is the date) The problem is the slippymap

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: iso 8601: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 I'm still trying to figure out if that would cover things like first sunday, third saturday of a month, do you know how to write this in iso8601 format? ___

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Jim Croft
think it might have to be derived, e.g. http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/vb-date2.htm#Month http://code.google.com/p/datejs/ jim On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/2 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: iso 8601: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: think it might have to be derived, e.g. http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/vb-date2.htm#Month http://code.google.com/p/datejs/ That's a shame. But iso 8601 is probably still a good starting point.

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2010-01-01 Thread John Smith
2010/1/2 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http://www.nearmap.com/maps/nmd/z/x/y.jpg (where

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2010-01-01 Thread James Andrewartha
2010/1/1 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2010/1/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Ok, John, I'm adding you to my killfile. I'm not getting anything out of corresponding with you other than frustration, and I'm finding your messages consist mostly of unhelpful stubborn posturing, and

[Talk-br] Material interessante para o OSM

2010-01-01 Thread enqd
Olá pessoal, estou começando a me familiarizar com o Osm, no começo estava um pouco complicado, mas pouco a pouco vou me aprofundando mais. Recentemente encontrei um site com alguns arquivos GPS em formato GTM que pode ser muito interessante. Eu converti um dos arquivos e utilizei para corrigir a

Re: [Talk-br] Material interessante para o OSM

2010-01-01 Thread enqd
Eu realmente discordo. Se uma pessoa usa o mapa para fazer rota, certamente ele ficará mais frustrado em saber que a maioria dos dados estão errados do que não existir dados suficientes. Ter várias informações erradas, é como fingir ter um mapa completo. Eu acredito que em relação as estradas é

[Talk-is] OpenStreetMap.is vefurinn að fara í loftið

2010-01-01 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Ég kom loksins einhverju á openstreetmap.is í dag: http://openstreetmap.is (einnig á http://osm.is) Þetta er ekki mikið en ábendingar um texta og jafnvel einhver tilbúin skrif væru vel þegin. Einnig er ég mjög lélegur í útlitshönnun og fæ þetta CSS menu ekki til að líta vel út

[Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread qbert biker
Erstmal ein gutes Neues zusammen! Ich war letztes Jahr mal in ein paar Diskussionen dabei, in denen es um spurgenaue Abbildung von Autobahnkreuzen, etc. ging. Ueber die Feiertage hatte ich Zeit, ein wenig damit zu spielen und das ist dabei rausgekommen:

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread SLXViper
qbert biker schrieb: Erstmal ein gutes Neues zusammen! Ich war letztes Jahr mal in ein paar Diskussionen dabei, in denen es um spurgenaue Abbildung von Autobahnkreuzen, etc. ging. Ueber die Feiertage hatte ich Zeit, ein wenig damit zu spielen und das ist dabei rausgekommen: ... Ich bin

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 11:35:32 schrieb SLXViper: Für sowas wäre eine Sandkasten-Datenbank nicht schlecht, in die man einen Ausschnitt an Daten importieren kann und dann dadrauf ein bisschen rumspielen kann, um neue Vorschläge zu entwickeln und zu testen... sehr gute idee! koennte man sowas

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
qbert biker schrieb: Ich bin dabei komplett ohne Relations ausgekommen und habe als Eingangsdaten nur 'lanes', '*.link', 'oneway' und 'highway' verwendet (ohne Gewähr auf Vollständigkeit). Bei einer angenommenen Spurbreite von 5m sieht das ganze relativ realistisch aus. So eine

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, SLXViper wrote: Für sowas wäre eine Sandkasten-Datenbank nicht schlecht, in die man einen Ausschnitt an Daten importieren kann und dann dadrauf ein bisschen rumspielen kann, Es gibt ein paar solcher Sandkaesten bei osm.org, darunter http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ kann man sich

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread SLXViper
Guenther Meyer schrieb: Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 11:35:32 schrieb SLXViper: Für sowas wäre eine Sandkasten-Datenbank nicht schlecht, in die man einen Ausschnitt an Daten importieren kann und dann dadrauf ein bisschen rumspielen kann, um neue Vorschläge zu entwickeln und zu testen...

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread SLXViper
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Es gibt ein paar solcher Sandkaesten bei osm.org, darunter http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ kann man sich ganz normal anmelden, account holen, und hochladen, was man will (es gibt allerdings keine planet files und keine gerenderten Kacheln davon, das, was man an

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread qbert biker
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:07:15 +0100 Von: Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung qbert biker schrieb: Ich bin dabei komplett ohne Relations

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Erstmal ein gutes Neues zusammen! Dito! Ich bin dabei komplett ohne Relations ausgekommen Die Relationen sind dafür gedacht, dass ein Router die Spuren wieder zu einer Fahrbahn zusammenfassen kann. Auf Grund der GPS Genauigkeit wird ein Router durch zu eng zusammenliegende Spuren ja eher

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 12:10:30 schrieb SLXViper: Guenther Meyer schrieb: Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 11:35:32 schrieb SLXViper: Für sowas wäre eine Sandkasten-Datenbank nicht schlecht, in die man einen Ausschnitt an Daten importieren kann und dann dadrauf ein bisschen rumspielen kann,

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 13:34:50 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Erstmal ein gutes Neues zusammen! Dito! Ich bin dabei komplett ohne Relations ausgekommen Die Relationen sind dafür gedacht, dass ein Router die Spuren wieder zu einer Fahrbahn zusammenfassen kann. Auf Grund der GPS

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread qbert biker
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:34:50 +0100 Von: Chris-Hein Lunkhusen chris66...@gmx.de An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung Erstmal ein gutes Neues zusammen! Dito! Ich bin dabei komplett ohne Relations ausgekommen

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread qbert biker
Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:53:06 +0100 Von: Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung immer diese vorschnellen und unbewiesenen behauptungen... man

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Guenther Meyer schrieb: Konstrukts natürlich auch größer, so dass das Spurenmapping für das Routing vermutlich eher eine Verschlechterung bringen wird. immer diese vorschnellen und unbewiesenen behauptungen... Sorry, so sollte es nicht rüberkommen. Es sind nur meine persönlichen

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Sven Sommerkamp
Am Freitag, 1. Januar 2010 13:53:06 schrieb Guenther Meyer: Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 13:34:50 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Erstmal ein gutes Neues zusammen! Dito! Ich bin dabei komplett ohne Relations ausgekommen Die Relationen sind dafür gedacht, dass ein Router die Spuren

Re: [Talk-de] wirtschaftswege - access=no

2010-01-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 31. Dezember 2009 17:28 schrieb Mirko Küster webmas...@ts-eastrail.de: Wenn man das so dehnt dann brauchts keinen Track mehr. Hier mal ein Bildbeispiel. Oben ein Biketrail wie auch auf der Tagbeschreibung stehend. Unten ein 3,5 m Weg der vorwiegend für Rad vorgesehen ist, mit Ausnahme aber

Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik Probleme

2010-01-01 Thread Sven Geggus
Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: Nein, das ist nur mit SVN Trunk, nicht mit 0.7. Jupp hatte das verpeilt. Schaumermal ob das mit boost 1.40 aus Debian squeeze läuft. Sven -- The main thing to note is that when you choose open source you don't get a Windows operating system.

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Guenther Meyer
Kannst du das als .osm-Datei bereitstellen? http://www.opencarbox.de/osm/test6.osm.bz2 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Spurgenaue Abbildung

2010-01-01 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Freitag 01 Januar 2010 14:50:16 schrieb Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Guenther Meyer schrieb: Konstrukts natürlich auch größer, so dass das Spurenmapping für das Routing vermutlich eher eine Verschlechterung bringen wird. immer diese vorschnellen und unbewiesenen behauptungen... Sorry, so

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