Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Roger Slevin
I have not been able to follow the large number of posts on this group in recent weeks - but I can confirm that stopareas are an important part of NaPTAN data in the UK, and are an important aspect of the way that stops data are used in journey planning applications. It would be a pity if OSM

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 01/22/2011 11:04 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: IMHO not related to the proposal: - potlatch can not handle the proposal/nested relations correctly: The latest version of Potlatch (Potlatch 2) handles nested relations excellently. About 10 seconds' research

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 24.01.2011 10:00, schrieb Dominik Mahrer (Teddy): On 01/22/2011 11:04 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: IMHO not related to the proposal: - potlatch can not handle the proposal/nested relations correctly: The latest version of Potlatch (Potlatch 2) handles nested

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 01/22/2011 08:38 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 01/22/2011 09:32 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: - stop_area is not needed/too complicated: [...]And it does not seam to be too complicated, And as for not needed: can we have a *separate discussion* on how routing works? There had already

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 01/24/2011 10:10 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: As far as I understand the issue, stop areas are used to tie different stops into one transferring area. No, you did not understand correct. stop_area_group is (was?) for that. Teddych ___ Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
Am 24.01.2011 10:39, schrieb Dominik Mahrer (Teddy): On 01/24/2011 10:10 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: As far as I understand the issue, stop areas are used to tie different stops into one transferring area. No, you did not understand correct. stop_area_group is (was?) for that. Then what is the

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Frankie Roberto
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.comwrote: Am 24.01.2011 09:39, schrieb Roger Slevin: I have not been able to follow the large number of posts on this group in recent weeks - but I can confirm that stopareas are an important part of NaPTAN data in the UK,

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 01/24/2011 11:00 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: Am 24.01.2011 10:39, schrieb Dominik Mahrer (Teddy): On 01/24/2011 10:10 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: As far as I understand the issue, stop areas are used to tie different stops into one transferring area. No, you did not understand correct.

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Roger Slevin
Frankie, I think you have mentioned some good examples. For simple pairs or even small clusters of stops then a stoparea often can be defined by rules – and indeed the systems I am working with in the UK uses such rules to define an “implicit” stoparea – the rules we use are that the

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Christian
On 23.01.2011 13:18, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 01/23/2011 12:57 PM, Vincent Privat wrote: 2011/1/23 Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com mailto:michal.bor...@gmail.com Could you please explain what you mean, because I'm not sure. The links provided show bus routes with nothing

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Richard Mann
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christian christ...@balticfinance.com wrote: but it also includes people ... who would like to map also physical path a bus takes on the street. I think there's a logic in encouraging the use of ordered relations to show the paths of bus/etc routes - because

Re: [Talk-transit] New proposal to store public transport data

2011-01-24 Thread Oleksandr Vlasov
Michał Borsuk michal.borsuk at gmail.com writes: Continuing on How routing software works (and why OSM as-is is not ready for routing): Hello, makes perfect sense, assuming OSM is mapping, not routing project and some other layer will be needed for the routing. Just a small set of

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/24/2011 12:40 PM, Christian wrote: On 23.01.2011 13:18, Michał Borsuk wrote: No, this can't be done in such detail, but it's not necessary as of 2011. All you need to know is where is the bus stop for the direction you're interested in, or whether the bus stop you found serves you

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/24/2011 02:09 PM, Richard Mann wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Christianchrist...@balticfinance.com wrote: but it also includes people ... who would like to map also physical path a bus takes on the street. I think there's a logic in encouraging the use of ordered relations to

Re: [Talk-transit] New proposal to store public transport data

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/24/2011 03:04 PM, Oleksandr Vlasov wrote: Michał Borsukmichal.borsukat gmail.com writes: Just a small set of questions: 1. As I can see, currently stop-on-a-way is the preferred approach for mapping tram stops. Do you propose to map tram stops like bus ones, i.e. beside the way? I'd

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Christian Krützfeldt
On 01/24/2011 12:40 PM, Christian wrote: On 23.01.2011 13:18, Michał Borsuk wrote: No, this can't be done in such detail, but it's not necessary as of 2011. All you need to know is where is the bus stop for the direction you're interested in, or whether the bus stop you found serves

Re: [Talk-transit] New proposal to store public transport data

2011-01-24 Thread Dominik Mahrer (Teddy)
On 01/24/2011 07:24 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 01/24/2011 03:04 PM, Oleksandr Vlasov wrote: 3. bus_stop already defines `ref' tag, will proposed `stop_id' be something different? ref= on a bus stop? That's news to me (sadly). I used stop_id=, but the mess probably comes from the fact that

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism - a real example from Zürich

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/24/2011 10:16 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: On 01/22/2011 08:38 PM, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 01/22/2011 09:32 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: The more exact the OSM map is, the more likely it is that the two directions do not share the same way for the both directions (the lines

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/25/2011 12:19 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 01/24/2011 11:38 PM, Christian Krützfeldt wrote: If disagree then please attack my arguments with counter-arguments. I stand by what I wrote. Well, I could agree with you that your proposal is fine for most usage cases. But below you say it

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/24/2011 11:22 AM, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) wrote: By the way, I have removed stop_area_group from the proposal. In essence this is good. I tried to implement this concept in OSM, but could not find (come up with) a sensible standard. Then what is the exact difference between

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Michał Borsuk
On 01/24/2011 11:06 AM, Frankie Roberto wrote: [...] I don't think you'd consider Embankment and Charing Cross stations to be part of the same stop area, even though they're very close to each other? On the other hand, some stop areas (Waterloo perhaps) may be huge, even though it may take you

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

2011-01-24 Thread Magnus Bäck
On Tuesday, January 25, 2011 at 00:23 CET, Michal Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/25/2011 12:19 AM, Michal Borsuk wrote: Graphically lost, so no arrows (that didn't work anyway, because there are streets in which bus A runs one-way north, bus B runs one-way south, and

Re: [Talk-hr] st(r)anje oko promjene licence

2011-01-24 Thread Tihomir Heidelberg - 9a4gl
A zašto se u tu poruku ne stavi nešto tipa ako ne prihvatite novu licencu do x.x. podaci koje ste vi unijeli biti će obrisani iz OSM baze ? To bi ih ipak jače ponukalo da prouče cijelu stvar. Moram priznati da bih ja osobno donju poruku pročitao, ali linkove nebih otvarao jer me ne zanimaju

Re: [Talk-hr] st(r)anje oko promjene licence

2011-01-24 Thread Aleksandar Topuzović
(2b) vizualno po mjestima kako to izgleda mozete vidjeti na recimo:     http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=45.81326lon=16.05037layers=B0     Legenda: Zeleno: podaci koji ce biti zadrzani, crveno i narancasto:     podaci ce biti potpuno izgubljeni, zuto: dio podataka ce

Re: [Talk-hr] st(r)anje oko promjene licence

2011-01-24 Thread hbogner
Karta je stara, mislim da je datirana prije Binga jer sam ja odmah poceo po bingu crtati a nema niti jedne te promjene. Sto se tice licence, prihvatio sam ju, i crtati cu dalje, i zaboli me koja ce licenca biti, ja samo zelim moci crtati i moci koristiti, ako i ostali mogu koristiti nek

[talk-ph] Non-mapping question

2011-01-24 Thread Jim Morgan
Hi all, Planning a trip to Lake Caliraya in Feb. Will turn my GPS on of course, but the main idea is to do some trail running with some friends, rather than mapping. Anyway, we're leaving Makati at around 10am on Saturday morning. Do any of you seasoned drivers have any opinions as to whether

Re: [talk-ph] Non-mapping question

2011-01-24 Thread tutubi
Hi Jim, if you're from the north i.e. QC, it's faster via Rizal route. around 2.5 hours from Trinoma From Trinoma via Calamba, it's 3.5 hrs. SM Calamba is already open and even the bypass road that will pass the new Calamba City hall has heavy traffic. The trikes on Manila East Road are such

Re: [talk-ph] Non-mapping question

2011-01-24 Thread Jim Morgan
Hi, Thanks for the input, I thought there might be someone with local knowledge on the list! tutubi wrote, On Tuesday, 25 January, 2011 10:37 AM: if you're from the north i.e. QC, it's faster via Rizal route. around 2.5 hours from Trinoma From Trinoma via Calamba, it's 3.5 hrs. SM Calamba

Re: [talk-ph] Non-mapping question

2011-01-24 Thread Jim Morgan
tutubi wrote, On Tuesday, 25 January, 2011 10:37 AM: total distance from trinoma via rizal is about 90 kms while via calamba is probably 110 kms. 10am is quite late so expect heavy traffic too from Calamba to Los Banos How about, for example, going past the Calumba turn and coming off at San

Re: [talk-ph] Non-mapping question

2011-01-24 Thread tutubi
Hi Jim, your suggested alternate is via Makban? I have yet to take it so I can't comment. only the recently opened toll road from SLEX to sto tomas makes this a little easier but i doubt if it will shorten your travel time than braving calamba traffic how about c5 then ortigas or eastbank road

Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM and iphone

2011-01-24 Thread Ivo De Broeck
Jamaar Klaas jij doet dat toch perfect. Ik ben nu bezig ALLE adressen in Korbeek-lo,Lovenjoel in te voeren. Dat is IMHO nodig om enigszins op gelijke hoogte te komen met Google. Dit werk houd in: building tekenen, de eventuele toegangsweg tekenen (als de woning 20 m van de straat ligt), de

[OSM-talk-be] upload werkt niet meer?

2011-01-24 Thread Karel Adams
na een lange periode van inactiviteit had ik gisteren toch eindelijk nog eens een paar straatjes doorgereden, en de daaruitvolgende gpx-bestanden opgestuurd. Na 24 uur wachten waren ze nog steeds niet zichtbaar - maar in een gebruikersdagboek vond ik een gelijkaardige jammerklacht, dus nog

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Oscar Orbe
#rubbish --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Subject: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor) To: Anthony o...@inbox.org Cc: Open Street Map mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Monday, January 24,

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/24/2011 09:23 AM, Oscar Orbe wrote: #rubbish Come on people. There's enough editors for everyone. There's a ton of reasons, for *every* editor, why someone would use or not use it. Personally I am glad that this is so; I think the needs of different users are much better served

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Alexandr Zeinalov
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. 4) General preference for online tools (so I don't need to synchronise environments across different computers) You may use portable installation of JOSM on flash drive on

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
In the same way I try to convince long-time JOSM users to once again look at Potlatch2 you should also have another look at JOSM if you tried fiddling with it once. It is not that bad at the moment. But I also use Potlatch2 more often than JOSM now. But mostly for casual editing... Groet, Floris

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Oscar Orbe
Hello I agree with Frederik i was saying that Steve's message was rubbish As Greta Garbo would say: one of us needs to improve his English will it be me? --Oscar --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Subject: Re:

[OSM-talk] GPS track upload working?

2011-01-24 Thread Ed Avis
Is the GPS upload feature on the OSM site working at the moment? When I try to upload a track I get the message saying the track has been uploaded and I'll receive an email on completion - but there isn't the usual PENDING entry in my list of GPS tracks, and the email never arrives. -- Ed Avis

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread MP
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:24:48 +1100, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. In my case I think it boils down to: 1) Complicated, idiosyncratic user interface. My brain just

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. In my case I think it boils down to: 1) Complicated, idiosyncratic user interface. My brain just doesn't have space to learn new

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS track upload working?

2011-01-24 Thread Tom Hughes
On 24/01/11 09:54, Ed Avis wrote: Is the GPS upload feature on the OSM site working at the moment? When I try to upload a track I get the message saying the track has been uploaded and I'll receive an email on completion - but there isn't the usual PENDING entry in my list of GPS tracks,

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: Please don't feed the troll ... C'mon now, if I wanted to troll I would have talked shit about PL1. But in fact I like Potlatch.  PL1 is by far my favorite of the 4. If it

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-24 Thread Gorm E. Johnsen
I think a tool like this would help to maintain consistent tags across geographically separated objects. Hi I have also tinkered on a tool that might do something like you ask for. The idea is a 'poi multiplexer system' to manage a list of pois. Each poi might be 'linked' to an osm-object or

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: Come on people. There's enough editors for everyone. There's a ton of reasons, for *every* editor, why someone would use or not use it. Personally I am glad that this is so Absolutely. I'd also add that transferring your expectations of how one editor works onto

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin wrote: I am not sure for newer potlatch, but the few times I was forced to use it (why the hell there is undelete api available only for Potlatch and not as XML?) Hey, calm down. Less of the why the hell, please. The reason Potlatch 1 can undelete is because I wrote the undelete

[OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 24 January 2011 02:19, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: Le 24/01/2011 00:25, Anthony a écrit : I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM.  Of the four main editors (others being PL1, PL2, and Merkaartor),

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS track upload working?

2011-01-24 Thread monxton
On 24/01/2011 10:26, Tom Hughes wrote: On 24/01/11 09:54, Ed Avis wrote: Is the GPS upload feature on the OSM site working at the moment? When I try to upload a track I get the message saying the track has been uploaded and I'll receive an email on completion - but there isn't the usual

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: But Potlatch is much slower, at least for me, once there are several thousand primitives in view it will become quite unuseable. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:22 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/24 Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:34 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I also honestly thought it was the first editor with non-sucky relations support :) I just checked and the relations support is much better than it was last time I used it, and probably better than PL1 (once I can

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread hbogner
On 01/24/2011 04:43 PM, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:34 AM, andrzej zaborowskibalr...@gmail.com wrote: I also honestly thought it was the first editor with non-sucky relations support :) I just checked and the relations support is much better than it was last time I used it, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Sebastian Klein
Anthony wrote: If I take notes of which parts I find least intuitive (the parts I have to RTFM about, like how to reopen those right-side toolbarish windows), would anyone be interested in them? Yes, concrete ideas for improvement would be appreciated. Certain things I'm aware of, e.g. there

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS track upload working?

2011-01-24 Thread monxton
On 24/01/2011 13:34, monxton wrote: On 24/01/2011 10:26, Tom Hughes wrote: On 24/01/11 09:54, Ed Avis wrote: Is the GPS upload feature on the OSM site working at the moment? When I try to upload a track I get the message saying the track has been uploaded and I'll receive an email on

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-24 Thread Renaud MICHEL
On lundi 24 janvier 2011 at 11:38, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote : I wonder if the issue might be that I use Windows. Do most JOSMers use Windows, or some other OS? I'm sure Java is especially sucky on Windows. did you try to give it more memory? As soon as you offer it say 600MB-1 GB it

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS track upload working?

2011-01-24 Thread Ed Avis
monxton gmane at jordan-maynard.org writes: there isn't the usual PENDING entry in my list of GPS tracks, and the email never arrives. It's the same for me - although I can see that some traces are getting through, mine are going to the same place as Ed's ... Now healed - new traces are

[OSM-talk] OpenTrailView update: now with walkthroughs and links with OSM data

2011-01-24 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hi, Would like to announce an update to OpenTrailView (OTV; now at http://www.opentrailview.org/), which I introduced at Girona last year and which aims to collect linked 360 degree panoramas of walking / hiking routes a la Google StreetView. A longer post will appear in due course on the

Re: [OSM-talk] osm new zealand website js problems

2011-01-24 Thread Milo van der Linden
You have some javascript errors. Missing ; or ) Please go to http://www.jslint.com/ and paste the content of site.js there. - The biggest problems are: Problem at line 31 character 3: Mixed spaces and tabs. $('map').style.bottom = ; Problem at line 41

Re: [OSM-talk] osm new zealand website js problems

2011-01-24 Thread Robin Paulson
On 25 January 2011 09:57, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: You have some javascript errors. Missing ; or ) Please go to http://www.jslint.com/ and paste the content of site.js there. - The biggest problems are: Problem at line 31 character 3:

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I assume there's no way to do load on demand in JOSM? well, you load what you want, but you have to do it manually. Loading is blocking in JOSM, which has a big advantage: you know that all data was loaded before you edit. cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Anthony wrote: If I take notes of which parts I find least intuitive (the parts I have to RTFM about, like how to reopen those right-side toolbarish windows), would anyone be interested in them? Yes, concrete ideas for improvement would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Anthony-6 wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Yes, if you try and use Potlatch to show several thousand objects you are certifiably insane. If you want to work in a JOSM-like manner, use JOSM! Good points. I think that's a big part of

[OSM-talk] EPA Import from 2009

2011-01-24 Thread Daniel Sabo
I thought these got reverted? I just noticed a bunch of (bad) nodes from changeset 3352521 still exist. I'm going to delete all the nodes from this changset and the other 12 epa hazard site changsets if they are still at version 1 unless there's a strong objection. These nodes were all imported

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/24 Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com: Anthony wrote: If I take notes of which parts I find least intuitive (the parts I have to RTFM about, like how to reopen those right-side toolbarish windows),

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread colliar
Am 25.01.2011 02:44, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: One issue I have is this: I often import selected ways (such as railways) in an area from xapi and then edit them, adding new ones and deleting bad ones. (On upload if I deleted something that's referenced by a non-downloaded object I get a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:22 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If you are annoyed by plugins that break everything (does indeed happen, but rarely), simply don't install them. Stuff that has proven generally useful and stable will usually get integrated in the main code

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Sebastian Klein basti...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes, concrete ideas for improvement would be appreciated. One thing I found very offputting was the conceptual model required that map data itself is an object you have to process. In Potlatch, there is minimal

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 17:25 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: But in JOSM you have to explicitly download data, manipulate it, then explicitly upload it again. (And, if my memory serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too much.) yes - precisely why I use josm -- regards KG

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
colliar-3 wrote: Am 25.01.2011 02:44, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: One issue I have is this: I often import selected ways (such as railways) in an area from xapi and then edit them, adding new ones and deleting bad ones. (On upload if I deleted something that's referenced by a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:25:00 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: (And, if my memory serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too much.) based on a formula which is related to the number of square kilometres involved, and which has no relation to the amount of data

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: (And, if my memory serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too much.) based on a formula which is related to the number of square kilometres involved, and which has no relation to the amount of data involved. It is presented as a restriction from

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-map-based OSM editor

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: a) Allow you to edit multiple objects at once (perhaps: http://rawedit.openstreetmap.fr/edit/relation/1317525057716530) b) Only show tags c) Show it in table form d) Allow you to populate the

[OSM-talk-nl] SOTM EU

2011-01-24 Thread Martijn van Exel
Er is komende zomer ook een SOTM in Europa, naast de wereldwijde SOTM in Denver in September. Ik ben begonnen met het vertalen van de Wiki in het Nederlands, maar kan nog wel hulp gebruiken. De div. subpagina's zijn nog niet vertaald en er zitten vast nog fouten in en onvolkomendheden.

Re: [talk-au] Victorian Coastline

2011-01-24 Thread 4x4falcon
On 24/01/11 07:10, Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Ian Sergeantinas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Having a separate layer may be appropriate for data we are considering importing to OSM that will never need to be user modified. Data in this category is better combined with OSM

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-24 Thread John Smith
On 24 January 2011 06:06, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced restaurants? Not all restaurants are licensed... amenity=restaurant licensed=yes/no/byo ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-24 Thread Franc Carter
seems sensible as the tag can be applied generally cheers On 25/01/2011 10:08 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 January 2011 06:06, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced restaurants? Not all

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/01/2011 23:08, John Smith wrote: Not all restaurants are licensed... amenity=restaurant licensed=yes/no/byo Sounds good to me - thanks. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants

2011-01-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:08 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=restaurant licensed=yes/no/byo Yeah, but they're not mutually exclusive. All four combinations exist, including licensed *and* byo (with corkage, usually), and licensed *and not* byo. licensed=yes/no

[Talk-de] Problem mit Josm und Remote-Control - Aktion 13

2011-01-24 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! ich wollte auch einige Fehler bei der Aktion 13 beheben und klicke auf lokal Josm um die betreffenden Elemente zu laden. Es passiert aber nicht ! Kann mir einer weiterhelfen ? in der Pluginliste kann ich RemoteControll nicht mehr finden und auch mit der neusten Version klappt es

Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit Josm und Remote-Control - Aktion 13

2011-01-24 Thread Chris66
Hi, muttu aktivieren. Einstellungen-Fernsteuerung Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit Josm und Remote-Control - Aktion 13

2011-01-24 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 24.01.2011 16:59, schrieb Chris66: Hi, muttu aktivieren. Einstellungen-Fernsteuerung Chris danke ! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hilfe bei Postgres Installation für Osmosis

2011-01-24 Thread Alexander Matheisen
das ist ganz einfach, wenn man das Problem selber mal hatte und dann nach Stunden drauf gekommen ist ;) manche sql-system-tabellen (hier schema_info) und einige andere postgis-tabellen dürfen bei einer neuinstallation nicht von alle sql-usern (hier osm) gelesen werden!!! Danke! Hab es

Re: [Talk-de] Darstellung von landuse=military in Mapnik-Karte

2011-01-24 Thread fx99
Thomas-15 wrote: Ich habe gerade gesehen (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.42631lon=7.82265zoom=16layers=M), dass offenbar die Darstellung militärischer Gebiete in der Mapnik-Karte geändert wurde (rot schraffiert). Dadurch heben sich diese Flächen extrem von der Umgebung ab, was

Re: [Talk-de] Hilfe bei Postgres Installation für Osmosis

2011-01-24 Thread Walter Nordmann
Alexander Matheisen wrote: ... aber so hab ich es dann doch hingekriegt: echo ALTER TABLE geography_columns OWNER TO osm; | psql -d osm jeweils für jede Tabelle. hi alex, gib doch mal einfach psql -d osm ein :) raus kommst du mit \q gruss walter - 33,33% aller Statistiken

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Stefan Keller
Chris66 schrieb: der Trend geht weg von den Relationen. Woher hast du dieses Indiz und was ist der vermutete Grund dafür? Entweder die Software beherrscht Relationen (und das tun Potlatch und JOSM) oder sie beherrscht sie nicht (Beispiele?). LG, S. Am 23. Januar 2011 12:47 schrieb Chris66

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Stefan Keller wrote: der Trend geht weg von den Relationen. Woher hast du dieses Indiz und was ist der vermutete Grund dafür? Entweder die Software beherrscht Relationen (und das tun Potlatch und JOSM) oder sie beherrscht sie nicht (Beispiele?). Der Trend geht nicht *allgemein* weg

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Chris66
Am 24.01.2011 21:07, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Es gibt eine Reihe von Gruenden, die gegen Strassenrelationen zur Adressierung sprechen: * weitaus weniger benutzt * komplizierter einzugeben, komplizieter auszuwerten * Adressen und Strassen sind unterschiedliche Konzepte (das Haus mit der

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Walter Nordmann
Chris66 wrote: Sieht in my opinion auch schöner als sowas aus : ... Die Deusche Post hat darum in Marl auch schon andere Einnahmemöglichkeiten in Angriff genommen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.651838lon=7.08914zoom=18layers=M Gruss Walter - 33,33% aller Statistiken beruhen auf

Re: [Talk-de] generisches Landuse für bebautes Land

2011-01-24 Thread Volker
Am 23.01.2011 22:20, schrieb ben: Hallo, wenn wir einmal dabei sind: Ich war mir nie sicher wie ich das hier taggen soll:

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi. Ich gebe Dir recht, schön wird eine Karte durch diese Masse von Hausnummern nicht unbedingt. Trotzdem geht es aber nicht (nur) darum, eine schöne Karte zu machen, sondern darum, sinnvoll nutzbare Geodaten zu haben. Eine Adress-Interpolation ist aber nur schlecht nutzbar, wenn man genauere

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Johannes Huesing
Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de [Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 09:47:34PM CET]: Hi. Ich gebe Dir recht, schön wird eine Karte durch diese Masse von Hausnummern nicht unbedingt. Trotzdem geht es aber nicht (nur) darum, eine schöne Karte zu machen, sondern darum, sinnvoll nutzbare Geodaten

[Talk-de] DPA nutzt OpenStreetMap-Karte für infografik

2011-01-24 Thread Philip Gillißen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo zusammen! Die Deutsche Presse Agentur hat zum Thema der Explosion auf dem russischen Flughafen in der Nähe von Moskau eine kleine Grafik veröffentlicht, die auf der Mapnik-Karte basiert. U.a. verwendet Tagesschau.de diese:

Re: [Talk-de] generisches Landuse für bebautes Land

2011-01-24 Thread Stephan Wolff
Moin! Am 21.01.2011 22:16, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Henning Scholland wrote: und was nimmt man dann für ein definitives Wohngebiet? ;-) Das gleiche. Wem es wichtig ist, der kann ja das nicht-definitive mit einem source oder note verfeinern. Ich empfinde etwas wie landuse=residential,

[Talk-de] landuse bei mehrfacher Landnutzung

2011-01-24 Thread Stephan Wolff
Moin, wenn ein Gelände mehrere verschiedene Nutzungen hat, ist es schwierig diese als landuse zu erfassen. Beispiele: - Militärgelände mit forstwirtschaftlich genutztem Wald - Wald rund um die Brunnen eines Wasserwerks - Friedhöfe, Parks, Golfplätze mit Wald - Küstenschutzdeiche,

Re: [Talk-de] generisches Landuse für bebautes Land

2011-01-24 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Am 25.01.2011 01:20, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Ich empfinde etwas wie landuse=residential, note=Vereinsgelände, keine Wohnungen als falsch. Bis sich etwas besseres ergibt werde ich für bebaute Flächen, die nicht in die üblichen Kategorien passen, landuse=buildings nehmen. Es gibt afaik keine

Re: [Talk-de] landuse bei mehrfacher Landnutzung

2011-01-24 Thread Willi
Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2011 07:28 schrieb Stephan Wolff [s.wo...@web.de] wenn ein Gelände mehrere verschiedene Nutzungen hat, ist es schwierig diese als landuse zu erfassen. Beispiele: - Militärgelände mit forstwirtschaftlich genutztem Wald - Wald rund um die Brunnen eines Wasserwerks -

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread André Joost
Am 24.01.11 22:15, schrieb Johannes Huesing: Peter Wendorffwendo...@uni-paderborn.de [Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 09:47:34PM CET]: Hi. Ich gebe Dir recht, schön wird eine Karte durch diese Masse von Hausnummern nicht unbedingt. Trotzdem geht es aber nicht (nur) darum, eine schöne Karte zu machen,

Re: [Talk-de] Adressen erfassen

2011-01-24 Thread Walter Nordmann
André Joost wrote: Nun, die Marler Adressen sind importiert worden. Leider passt die Lage der Straßen manchmal nicht zu den Nummern :-( Normalerweise sollten die Straßen in DE zwischen den gerade und ungeraden Hausnummern liegen. Da gibt es ja wohl nur zwei Möglichkeiten: a) alles auf

[Talk-it] Risoluzione bing in JOSM

2011-01-24 Thread Giacomo Boschi
Perché se uso le foto Bing in Potlatch riesco a contare le traversine dei binari, mentre invece in JOSM ho un misero pixel al metro? -- Giacomo Boschi http://gwilbor.wordpress.com/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Risoluzione bing in JOSM

2011-01-24 Thread Simone Cortesi
2011/1/24 Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it: Perché se uso le foto Bing in Potlatch riesco a contare le traversine dei binari, mentre invece in JOSM ho un misero pixel al metro? hai cambiato, in preferences (F12) lo zoom massimo delle immagini, portandolo al massimo valore? controlla il valore

Re: [Talk-it] Risoluzione bing in JOSM

2011-01-24 Thread Giacomo Boschi
Il 24/01/2011 11:41, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: hai cambiato, in preferences (F12) lo zoom massimo delle immagini, portandolo al massimo valore? Dire nelle preferenze di JOSM è un po' come dire nel magazzino dell'Ikea, comunque, battute a parte, ho trovato il parametro. Grazie! -- Giacomo

Re: [Talk-it] Risoluzione bing in JOSM

2011-01-24 Thread MorSi
Ed infatti io non l'ho trovato Mi dite dove è che si imposta la zoom massimo??? Grazie Morsi Il 24/01/2011 11:41, Simone Cortesi ha scritto: hai cambiato, in preferences (F12) lo zoom massimo delle immagini, portandolo al massimo valore? Dire nelle preferenze di JOSM è un po'

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