Rob Nickerson said:
Personally I don't want a pat on the back, but I would like to more
prominently see the OSMF board actively supporting the community.
I will reiterate that, no matter how wondrous the two candidates you
elect are, the board will sink into a morass of its own making this yea
[this was originally posted to osmf-talk; I'm not a member of OSMF so
can't reply to it there. I'm also breaking my self-imposed discipline of
not posting to the talk@ list for this, but I figure it's important]
Sarah Hoffman wrote:
while checking the candidate list for the upcoming board elec
For those who (like me) are not members of OSMF there are a couple of
interesting discussions on the osmf-talk list that you may like to
observe. Only OSMF members can post to osmf-talk, but anyone can read.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2014-September/date.html
Richard
I'm pleased to report that http://cycle.travel/map now defaults to kilometres
for European routes. :)
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sabas88 wrote:
> it looks really nice!
Thanks! :)
> One quick note, it's possible to have routes (also) in metric units?
Yep, definitely. I'm working on making it the default for Europe but, for
now, you can log in and set your user profile to prefer kilometres.
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colliar wrote:
> 1. How are separate drawn cycleways next to roads handled ?
It prefers cycleways to roads, so it'll usually route via the cycleways
(assuming they're properly connected).
> 2. Neither traffic_light/crossing nor shape turns are evaluated.
There's a routing penalty for traffic lig
Maarten Deen wrote:
> So, can't I just ask shortest or quickest road? As you say, the
> router has no idea about traffic levels. I mean, if a router can't
> give me either shortest or quickest, then I always think I get
> some random route that is not optimal in any aspect.
Nope, it doesn't and
Maarten Deen wrote:
> It's nice and fast! But it is not really apt in finding shortest or
> quickest routes.
> I entered my daily commute (from 51.3207,5.9888 to 51.5428,5.9827,
> permalink does not work properly) and it comes with a (for me new)
> route of 18.3 miles (=29.45 km) in 2:02.
> If I
Hi all,
I'm really pleased to announce that http://cycle.travel/ now has
OSM-based cycle routing for Western Europe: France, the Netherlands,
Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Austria, Italy,
Spain, Portugal, the UK and Ireland.
You can try it here:
http://cycle.travel
Tom Hughes wrote:
> No, because they each use their own database, which is entirely
> separate from the main database.
...and because site improvements often require changes to the database
structure - new columns, new indexes, and so on - so it wouldn't generally
be possible to hook test instanc
Michal Migurski wrote:
> Provable evidence that the view tab is not sufficiently
> informing visitors of its functionality? Having a button
> that says “link” is a great clue that there is an option
> to link vs. hunting around.
Perhaps, but this is definitely a pro feature. There _is_ a butto
Greg Troxel wrote:
> add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use
> it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to
> see what yfou just edited
Click the View tab.
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Lester Caine wrote:
> is there a change log for the code running live?
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commits/master
(though changes may take a short while to percolate to the live servers, of
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Lester Caine wrote:
> Note that I'm not saying that the main map should change - this is
> mobile technology use, but personally I WOULD like to have
> the option to select the old style layout. It's not fundamental to
> how the map works - it's only a style sheet, and we could have
> several -
Michal Migurski wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2013, at 5:42 AM, Pieren wrote:
> > If you missed the discussion because you don't watch the
> > non-localized 35 mailing lists
> > [...]
> I don't know, and I don't want to have to subscribe to Github
> pull requests to find out.
You only have to follow one m
Andrew Errington wrote:
> Also, my proposal for including
> a "markerlink" has not been taken up.
Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day.
> I also didn't see any consultation on this topic. Just another
> fait accompli.
Hey Andrew, I noticed you did some edits to the map the other day. That's
fine,
James Mast wrote:
> I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
> long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
> Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
> it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
> work for me. :(
Ok, I've said this at least t
Guillaume Pratte wrote:
> How can users actively contribute to the map if they need to rely
> to a competitive service for their daily needs?
No-one has said that.
We want everyone to be using OpenStreetMap data. But OpenStreetMap is much
more than openstreetmap.org. Just because it isn't on osm
Maarten Deen wrote:
> The problem with OSM is that with Google, Google maps is the go-to
> site to get everything: map, routing, information. With OSM it is not.
> [...]
> It just is less userfriendly than having it all on one site.
And that's a great business opportunity for someone... right?
Pieren wrote:
> You cannot say that. Give me an example where the editors decided
> how to tag features in the past.
Two off the top of my head:
1. Potlatch popularised the use of a certain set of values for the surface=
tag.
2.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=designation+talk-fr+site%3Alists.o
Andreas Labres wrote:
> Is there a way to download video files?
Something like this works for me on Chrome/ium/Safari:
1. Go to the video page.
2. Press command-alt-I (or equivalent on your platform) to open Developer
Tools.
3. Click the 'Network' tab.
4. Start the video playing.
5. Look for a bi
Russ Nelson wrote:
> This is ridiculous. I tried ID, and it didn't make my penis bigger
> OR harder, my breasts didn't get bigger, I didn't get six-pack
> abs, and I didn't get shaplier thighs in just six weeks.
You should submit an issue on github. I believe there's a Math.abs function
in JS so
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> But in the end I think this whole source thing is completely
> overestimated.
Yup.
> What do you propose to do with source tags found on an object when
> you modify this object based on a different source?
OSM has full object history. :)
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NopMap wrote:
> And putting a simple general or "how to" question into an
> issue tracker is rather weird.
help.openstreetmap.org is the commonly used and expected method of asking
simple "general" and "how to" questions. :)
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Kathleen Danielson wrote:
> However, as there has been generally positive feedback for the
> design of this attribution mark, would it make sense to move
> forward with using the attribution mark (since it addresses an
> immediate problem)
Definitely. The perfect is the enemy of the good, and al
Alex Barth wrote:
> This is an updated proposal based on an initial RFC from earlier this
> year titled "Contributor Mark" [1, 2].
Thumbs up. This is really good. I love having "Local knowledge" in prime
position.
It'd be good to release Leaflet/OpenLayers plugins to do the attribution. If
I wer
Steve Bennett wrote:
> Assuming I'm happy to simply lose any changes where there really
> is a version conflict (which I am), what can I do with it? (I don't
> use JOSM at all, so would prefer to avoid that hurdle if
> possible...)
The couple of times I've encountered this situation, I've manua
Cartinus wrote:
> Most of these are people who didn't read what Openstreetmap was
> about before they registered. They most likely thought they would
> need to register to _USE_ all the features of Openstreetmap, not
> contribute to it.
+1. You'd be surprised how common this is. Our village web
Andrew Errington wrote:
> That's exactly what he did. So what else is he supposed to do? Perhaps
> the wiki should be edited to state "don't bother making graphical
> suggestions because the system is too unwieldy now and we dare not
> change it".
No-one has said that. There is an active effo
[wider issue, so cc:ing talk@]
On 22/03/2013 15:32, Shaun McDonald wrote:
On 22 Mar 2013, at 14:06, Harry Wood wrote:
...we have a strip down the left, and this screen real-estate is
valuable space. Here more than anywhere users are eyeballing the
graphics, text, and user interface elements we
nicholas ingalls wrote:
> Just want an opinion from someone a bit more knowledgeable in the
> field of license compatibility. In Canada
*paging Richard Weait*
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Paweł Paprota wrote:
> Just a last word - I am not proclaiming doom. To the contrary - I
> am full of energy and ideas but at the same time I am a bit afraid
> that if this energy does not lead anywhere then I will be burnt
> out in this project because of the frustration that I cannot
> change
Michal Migurski wrote:
> We seem to have an OSMF that's not effective at communicating
I tried :(
FWIW Communications Working Group is very good, just under-resourced. There
needs to be more of them, and they need to be given the space to thrive
without interference.
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(ex-board, e
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> What about mailing list archives? Will the OSMF then start deleting
> emails if they contain Google Maps links?
I'd quite like the OSMF to start deleting e-mails that don't quote the
previous message properly. ;)
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Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of
> the English language ?
Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
defending the term "geocode". If OSM has $1m to spend, which it doesn't, I'd
rather it spent it on making
On 27/01/2013 16:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
IMHO there is no connection between the port to a different style
sheet language and the decision which zoom level gets rendered.
The connection is that the current stylesheet is abandonware. If
anything is to be fixed then it'll be in the Carto
Gervase Markham wrote:
>> Who do we need to talk to or where do we need to file a bug to get this
>> request considered officially?
> Anyone?
If you want to make it happen, the best way to do this is to take part in
the project to port the current stylesheet to Carto:
https://github.com/gravit
Paul Johnson wrote:
> So pick social media that doesn't cater exclusively to a
> crowd whose education stopped midway through Grade 2.
> It's nearly impossible, in the English-speaking world, to
> express an intelligent thought in 140 characters or less.
> It's writing system just doesn't work
Paweł Paprota wrote:
> The simple fact is that some of the improvements won't ever be
> implemented without people working full time on it (look at the Top
> Ten Task list to get some idea). How do you propose to solve this
> problem without funding people to develop them?
Complete disarming hon
Hi all,
The State of the Map 2013 call for venues is out:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2013/Call_for_venues
Looking forward to seeing the bids. Please do forward this to/translate
for your local country lists.
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Kate Chapman wrote:
> Does anyone have suggestions or a preference?
"OpenStreetMap" says it all.
As in "Hi. We're OpenStreetMap. You may have heard of us."
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Joseph Reeves wrote:
> What does "" mean? This should be "outer"?
I'd hazard a guess that's a Potlatch 2 bug resulting from some edge case
when editing the role with multiple items selected. I'll have a look but
feel free to add a trac ticket to remind me.
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Chris Hill wrote:
> So the answer, as always with this sort of question, is no we cannot
> use that data without written permission of the copyright holder to
> use this data in OSM for any purpose. I don't think that is likely to
> be forthcoming.
Indeed.
Don't forget, too, that Tesco probabl
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> Talking about that, members of the talk-fr mailing list are
> discussing pragmatic solutions that might bring everyone together
Good luck. I tried that last month:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-September/064482.html
and immediately got shouted down
Pierre Enclos wrote:
> Henning Scholland wrote:
>> Just a question: If I filter all buildings with cadastre-source out of
>> an osm-planet and publish this extract [...] it is illegal?
> There is no difference between ODbl and CC-by-SA on this point.
Which may be true but is largely irrelevant. :
Someoneelse wrote:
> Is there any easy way (in any editor with any plugin) of getting to
> this information - preferably a collated list of object / changeset tags?
I've just done this in P2's history dialogue for 'comment' and 'source':
https://github.com/systemed/potlatch2/commit/f827b5368307d
Lester Caine wrote:
> I did put my hand up for a tag which is automatically applied for those of
> us who forget it ;) If I have a background layer up it automatically adds
> that tag to each object.
In Potlatch you can simply press 'B' (for 'Background') to add the source=
tag for the current b
Philip Barnes wrote:
> Select way or node.
> Click advanced.
> Click way/node number.
> Click more details.
You don't even need the fourth step - the dialogue that appears when you
click the way/node id is the history.
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Tordanik wrote:
> If you want to address changes performed by scripts/bots, then
> why don't you just say so explicitly and avoid any potential
> misunderstandings?
Because it's not just about scripts and bots. The Cadastre situation, which
started all of this off, is often people loading .osm
ThomasB wrote:
> Seems what you mean and what you wrote differ somehow
I'm not sure where you read the extra requirement for "discussion" or
"bureaucracy" in what I wrote. Could you clarify?
> But I read it so. Also selecting 10 buildings in JOSM and
> pressing Q would fall below your proposal (
I'm off to bed but would just like to respond to this one before I do.
Tordanik wrote:
> On 25.09.2012 19:11, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > - search-and-replace tag changes
> > - automated geometry fixup
> > - reverting edits
>
> In my opinion, none of that (if p
A propos of the recent contretemps about Cadastre imports and separate
accounts (excessive use of French in this sentence is unintentional),
I'd like to propose the following modification to the import/bulk edit
guidelines:
==
An 'automated edit' is one where the editing is not carried out by
All the translations of
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ
are currently out-of-date and refer to the CC-BY-SA, with the exception
of the Japanese one (at least I think so... :) ).
This is a page that people often refer to for their "can I do this...?"
answers. So if you have the ti
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Didn't find a hint for osm data in it so far.
It certainly isn't OSM in US, UK etc. But I've seen a screenshot of iOS Maps
in Islamabad that looks very very much like OSM data.
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Pieren wrote:
> I thought that such issue is not possible anymore with ODbl.
No, the Contributor Terms simply say "You are indicating that, as far as You
know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those
Contents under our current licence terms" (1a).
If the licence changes t
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I believe that dedicated accounts are generally better for
> imports than using "mixed" ones which are also used for
> original data. This really helps a lot in sorting data
> according to its intellectual properties holders.
Yes, absolutely.
The really obvious exa
Christian Quest wrote:
> As you're joining this topic, can you explain why you changed
> the guidelines in the wiki to make the dedicated account a
> requirement and not a recommendation anymore ?
As a few people have already said (Michael, Frederik, Simon etc.) this was
basically codifying exis
Pieren wrote:
> The one who never made a mistake in JOSM can be the first to
> throw a stone.
*waves*
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Hello all,
If you go to:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
you might notice a slight difference. :)
OSM data downloaded after 9am today is now licensed under the Open
Database Licence. The first ODbL-licensed planet.osm file is currently
being generated.
These pages summarise t
Mike wrote:
> One thing that always bothered me on OSM is that for every new
> section of the OSM I had to open new account. That is ridiculous.
You don't. Honest. We just have two logins: the main login, and the wiki.
trac.osm.org, help.osm.org, and forum.osm.org all use the main login.
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Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> I'm not the person who can fix this, but can you be more precise
> why do you think this is error from rectration bot? Do you claim
> that license of data were ok?
Some of Mike's imports may have had compatible licences.
However, as he says at
http://www.openstreetmap
Hi all,
I've added a small feature to Potlatch 2 which should be generally
useful but will particularly help in remapping.
When you've selected a way, you can now add intermediate points just by
shift-clicking a blank area. P2 will work out where to put the node in
the way, and do it. Exactl
vegard wrote:
> What about editor facebook support for editors? :)
> No, I'm actually serious -
> "Vegard Engen mapped ,
> near ." ?
Potlatch 1 actually did that with Twitter. But then Twitter started
requiring OAuth and I really couldn't be bothered to code an OAuth library
in ActionScript 1.
Jochen123 wrote:
> In preparation for the release of an ODbL-Licensed planet I have been
> looking around what the official proper attribution will be, so that I can
> update all sites where I am using OSM data. I didn't find anything on
> the Wiki.
A couple of months back I wrote
http://wiki.o
The global pass has now started. The redaction bot is at 180° longitude
and working east. The North Pole, South Pole and Poland have been
exempted from this pass and won't be redacted until Tuesday at the earliest.
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Current state of affairs:
- North America is mostly complete. The bot is still working in Los
Angeles and Victoria (Canada). There are one or two failed or incomplete
areas which are marked in red on the progress map; these are being
retried individually. Haiti/Dominican Republic has been left
NopMap wrote:
> It's good that most of Britain has been processed, but it
> appears that the two areas containing London have failed
> repeatedly. As they probably contain the most complex
> data and highest density, I think they are critical and if
> they cannot be processed I'd expect the bot
[posted to talk-gb@, announce@ and talk@; please choose follow-ups
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if relevant]
The redaction bot has started on the 'Western Europe' area. Because
continents are annoyingly not shaped like rectangles, this inevitably
inc
Hi all,
Potlatch is five years old and JOSM is over six years old. Scary, isn't it?
Lots has changed in those five years. Browsers now do natively things
that used to require a plugin - indeed, you might not even have the
plugin anymore. OSM's changed, too, from a little-known geek project to
On 12/07/2012 14:24, Roland Olbricht wrote:
Thank you very much. Now it works fine, great work.
Thank Andy, Tom and Frederik. I'm just the messenger!
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Roland Olbricht wrote:
> This is not a problem of the rendering server backlog.
> It is a problem of the minute diff generation.
...which has now been fixed. :)
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Hello all,
The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned.
Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase
starts and ends:
- to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland en
We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (9th July)
11th July. You knew what I meant really. :)
Yours in a state of temporary temporal confusion
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I'm pleased to announce that the licence change bot is ready to get
underway.
Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than
1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new
Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) - in other words
Spod wrote:
> Is there any way to move the map to a specific coordinates
> whilst editing in Potlatch and stay at the same zoom level?
You can use Potlatch's own search function - the little magnifying glass
below the +/- zoom icons. It doesn't have any specific co-ordinate handling
(I guess we c
john whelan wrote:
> Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please?
http://sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/
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On 21/06/2012 17:57, Alan Mintz wrote:
Richard wrote:
...Given people's constraints on time and the community's
(understandable) desire for the redaction to get underway asap...
I've seen no such demo
Russ Nelson wrote:
> I think that the people who wish that the USA had been mapped
> just like Europe have NO IDEA how big the USA is, nor how
> empty it is.
True enough, but then, I often think that the people who scoff at the people
who wish that the USA had been mapped just like Europe and who
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> Whatever. I've certainly seen "footpaths classified as roads" in
> commercial
> online maps for instance.
It's basically a misreading of how OSM data works. Essentially they're
saying that the fact we use the "highway=track" tag means "OMG OSM
MISCLASSIFIES FOREST TRACKS A
Ian Dees wrote:
> Worst Fixer wrote:
> > It is absent from following web page:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue
> There are dozens of imports absent from the Import Catalog.
> If you'd like to add it to the catalog, be my guest.
Without wanting to validate Worst Fixer (thou
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> simply draw cycleways with separate carriageways like any
> other highway with its own way in OSM and you resolve
> lots of issues, including distinct surfaces and restrictions.
Yes. Absolutely that.
Things like cycleway=track were a hack back in the day when we onl
Richard Mann wrote:
> You'd have to ask the City of Utrecht whether their "main cycle routes"
> are signed.
Well, ok, I wasn't really asking what "I'd have to ask", more what "your
point is". :)
If the routes are signed, that's good. If there are measurements that can
be tagged in OSM (vehicles p
Richard Mann wrote:
> My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be
> recorded
We tag what's on the ground, whether it's route signage, cycle-specific
infrastructure, or a giant woolly mammoth (http://url.ie/f9ts).
Are you suggesting a deviation from that?
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Someoneelse wrote:
> Regardless of the "perhaps the map shouldn't render unknown things
> just because of name=blah" issue, I'd argue that metadata such as
> this really doesn't belong in OSM.
Agreed.
OSM is not the world's sole repository of co-ordinate data, and nor should
it be. This would b
Steve Bennett wrote:
> It's been like this for at least a week for me, I think. Can you
> definitely see licence info in, say, Melbourne? I see no red
> outlines, and no "no"/"partial" etc above the advanced editor.
Presume that's Melbourne, Australia rather than the nice little Derbyshire
town te
Steve Bennett wrote:
> The "show licence status" in Potlatch2 is no longer working for me.
Works fine for me. You might just have hit a temporary WTFE outage.
> Also, could we have an update on what is happening with data deletion?
Henk has just posted
http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/26/li
Stefan Keller wrote:
> Am I right that there are currently no updates available since
> April 9th at /osm/ and there doesn't exist the new
> /openstreetmap/ directory neither because we are waiting for
> the OSM board's approval of the new license?
No, it's nothing to do with OSM(F) board appro
Pieren wrote:
> we have a "media hype" (or media excitement ?) about Microsoft
> investing "big dollars" in OSM. [...]
> Where is the truth here ?
I'm sure we'd all like to know!
I'm not aware of any announcement being made or (say) any formal contact
this year between Microsoft and OSMF.
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In the UK there's a really annoying TV advert in which Michael Winner
(past-it film director and restaurant critic) urges "Calm down, dear. It's
only a commercial". You can find it on YouTube if you want. Our beloved
(ahem) Prime Minister used the phrase to slap down a critic in the House
of Common
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Steve Bennett wrote:
> One thing we could add (in addition to trying to fix bugs in the
> various places 1-length ways could be created) would be a
> general filter at save time that prevents any 1-length ways
> being sent back to the datab
Stephan Knauss wrote:
> Some editors create these ways. The most prominent one is Potlatch.
> The Ticket is open since two years. xybot trys to correct some of
> the problems until a bugfix is made in potlatch.
xybot does not help its cause by having the same ticket for Potlatch 1 and
Potlatch 2
Serge Wroclawski wrote:
> This may appear on its surface to be an odd question, especially
> to someone in academia, but our community is predicated
> on the premise of communal sharing.
*ahem*
Speak for yourself. I engage with OSM because I believe that open geographic
data should exist, and t
Andrew Ayre wrote:
> I can't imagine why the majority wouldn't agree on improving
> attribution.
I think the attribution is great as it is. There's a whacking great big OSM
logo and a big "Copyright & licence" link that leads to a more cogent and
helpful explanation of the licence than anything fo
* 3500 tiles per second. Seriously. In Grant's words on Twitter:
"Massive jump in #OpenStreetMap traffic due 2 Apple news: t.co/nB4ffgYy
Fighting fires 2 keep systems up"
* switch2osm.org fell over. Yep, so many people wanting to find out
about switching to OpenStreetMap that WordPress crapped
On 08/03/2012 10:41, Yves wrote:
I think this is part of the fun searching for the datasource, there is
no attribution, right?
Indeed. A couple of us are having discussions about how to get this
addressed. Stay tuned.
cheers
Richard
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Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
Looks like they're using a old (pre-2011) planet dump for the data.
Yep, we've now pinned it down to 1st-7th April 2010.
cheers
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...
...and the consensus is that the data is from some time late March/early
April 2010. Yes, really.
cheers
Richard
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Spod wrote:
> http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/
http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles
they're using.
Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other places...
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