Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Komяpa
2015-05-29 0:50 GMT+03:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: On 28/05/2015 22:27, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: You can argue against machine-made non-reviewed translitterations, because they don't add anything that a data consumer couldn't and because they likely contain mistakes. But that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Clifford Snow
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote: On the first point, why not? There are maps of the world in English, French, German etc etc. I see no logical reason to object to certain languages being used in the name tag. That is the whole point of the flexibility

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Clifford Snow
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: Yes, I did it. But it means it's another complexity to consider when reporting problems with their engine. I don't know how open.mapquest.org routing service is different (in terms of routing code) from what we have on OSM

Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden nebulon42
Am 2015-05-28 um 11:19 schrieb Stephan Bösch-Plepelits: Das ist ein persönlicher Stil von Andy Allan - wiedermal Closed Source :-/. Bugreports wohl wiedermal nur an ihn persönlich. Hab ich bei der SOTM-EU letztes Jahr gemacht - er hat irgendwie nur ausweichend geantwortet, dass die Transport

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/28/2015 09:56 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say, the UK. Where do you draw the

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Robert Banick
+1 to Dave. OSM is universal, full stop. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote: I am honestly stunned this thread has gone on for as long as it has. In regards to On 05/28/2015 09:19 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I would not support in OSM, and like to

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 28 May 2015 at 11:09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-28 11:41 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But let's not get sidetracked, that's a different discussion from the Wikidata question. I just hope that Wikidata doesn't list New Brige as the English

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden moltonel 3x Combo
On 28/05/2015, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q84 You can see its names in various languages by clicking the Labels list tab (then note slidebar) Call me stupid, but I don't see any clickable label list tab ? Sorry; you won't see it if you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28.05.2015 um 22:20 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Yes, I've thought about that; name:en is very useful for me but ultimately, if the locals don't use it, then it isn't on the ground, and then it shouldn't be in OSM really. are we really insisting in locals, or can a

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden moltonel 3x Combo
On 28/05/2015, Andrew Guertin andrew.guer...@uvm.edu wrote: Considering the existence of the former Soviet Union, and especially that there are areas of Ukraine where both Russian and Ukrainian are spoken and most roads, places, etc have names (and thus tags) in both languages, this number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 28.5.2015 19:43, skrifaði Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 05/28/2015 09:19 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say,

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Michał Brzozowski
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't want people to follow me around by database request when I'm moving somewhere and don't want to be easily

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 22:20 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Yes, I've thought about that; name:en is very useful for me but ultimately, if the locals don't use it, then it isn't on the ground, and then it shouldn't be in OSM really. Absolutely agree, there is a tendency to have name for places

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Paul Norman
On 5/28/2015 11:25 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: With MapQuest it was much harder to find how can I report another bug. Finally I have found Residential Map or Route Errors link on Support page ( https://support.mapquest.com/hc/en-us - looks like the link itself is dynamic, because it has issue

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 28 May 2015 at 10:59, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: There might be a case for adding pronunciations (of 'difficult' names at least) to the OSM database. Someone must have proposed a tagging scheme for this, surely? Yes; wikidata= Wikidata will have both IPA [1] phonetic

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden SomeoneElse
On 28/05/2015 22:27, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: You can argue against machine-made non-reviewed translitterations, because they don't add anything that a data consumer couldn't and because they likely contain mistakes. But that's apparenlty not the case of the name:ru changeset that got reverted.

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andrew Guertin
On 05/28/2015 03:43 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: *Especially* if their reasoning was that this makes it nicer for them to run a tank through these places in their own-language war simulation with their buddies. If the data is valid, it doesn't matter what the use case is. I'm HAPPY knowing that

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 28.5.2015 19:19, skrifaði Frederik Ramm: What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say, the UK. Bye Frederik Where do you draw the

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Dave Corley
I am honestly stunned this thread has gone on for as long as it has. In regards to On 05/28/2015 09:19 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning name tags in their

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden moltonel 3x Combo
I agree with Dave here, but add some general remarks : Please handle the questions of should FOO-language name of an object be allowed in the database ? and should that databse be OSM or Wikidata ? separately. The decision of whether Абергавенни should be recorded as the Russian name for

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Robert Kaiser
Michał Brzozowski schrieb: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't want people to follow me around by database request when I'm moving somewhere and

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 28 May 2015, Andrew Guertin wrote: There is a fundamental difference between an actual name for a place and a translation of one of those names I DO agree with this statement[1]. However, I think that the point at which a word stops being a transliteration and starts being a

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 28 May 2015 at 09:50, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. the en:Spanish Steps / de:Spanische Treppe are called Scalinata di Trinità dei Monti in the local language (it is located at piazza di Spagna, that's where the foreign name comes from, while in Italian it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 28 May 2015 at 10:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I just hope that Wikidata doesn't list New Brige as the English name of Pont Neuf or else they have a problem ;) It alls it Pont neuf: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q335277 and has a property that tells you that that is its

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 23:11, Paul Norman napisał(a): On 5/28/2015 11:25 AM, Daniel Koć wrote: promises as to when we might get to this. Maybe our technical team should talk with theirs to make better feedback channel available? I would suggest reproducing the issue on open.mapquest.com and

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Lester Caine
On 27/05/15 22:13, Frederik Ramm wrote: We could then limit ourselves to using a name tag for the locally used name, or continue to allow a name:xx but only if these languages were actually used by the local population; throw in an int_name if you want (but some may say that's already an

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
It is not clear to me what isn't free about MLS, but in any case openbmap has been around for quite a while. The main issue with -all- of these alternative location services is that they currently can't be seamlessly be integrated in to mobile OSs without the cooperation of the manufacturers

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 28 May 2015 at 13:33, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Another issue that can be seen here: nobody will want this Puente Nuevo (París) as a label for a bridge on a map (París) Funny ah? Every single entity in

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
[Resending, to this list] On 27 May 2015 at 23:03, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: OpenStreetMap is the spatial representation of the world - wouldn't it make sense then to also store the translations for locations in OpenStreetMap? No. Wikidata exists because the Wikipedia community

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/28/2015 10:27 PM, Dave Corley wrote: Either this is a database of worldwide geodata or its not. There's no half-way in that statement. Either all cultures, languages, countries, people and the variety these elements bring in terms of tagging, is accepted on a universal basis or its

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 28 May 2015 at 09:50, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 27/05/2015 22:56, Andy Mabbett wrote: A demonstrator, using Wikidata labels, is: http://googleknowledge.github.io/qlabel/demo/map/ (choose select language). Coders might enjoy viewing the source code. That's interesting,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andrew Guertin
On 05/27/2015 05:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Not only well-known tourist magnets carry foreign names; some dedicated language mappers have gone over and beyond the call of duty and added, for example, name:ru tags even to small villages: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name%3Aru#map

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Robert Kaiser
Paul Johnson schrieb: OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/ It's similar to Google's location services or Mozilla's location service, but free. What's not free in Mozilla's service? Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 18:33, Janko Mihelić napisał(a): I'd like the following procedure: 4. Later a mapper clicks the note, and it shows the text and the problematic route. I'm also interested in 5. - standard procedure for reporting routing errors to engine operators. =} For OSRM I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/28/2015 08:53 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: As an example Botswana has English as an official language and Setswana as the overwhelming majority language. However it also has 20 smaller languages, some of them shared with neighboring nations and some very small local ones.

Re: [OSM-talk-be] La Wallonie picarde à vélo - TEST

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Matthieu Gaillet
Hi Ben, thanks for your answer. You make a point here by submitting this document : it wasn’t clear to me that such document existed and was mandatory, at least against a simple authorisation email. Now I think that a public administration will for sure be afraid to sign such a document. They

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden David Cuenca Tudela
I have one general question. Some OSM relations contain a link to a Wikidata item. For those relations, would it be possible to automatically import the names in several languages and do so in a way that changes in OSM also change Wikidata? Thanks, Micru On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:37 PM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Jóhannes Birgir Jensson
Þann 28.5.2015 15:38, skrifaði Andrew Guertin: While your exact words here aren't wrong, I think you're severely underestimating what objects have names in what languages. Russia and the UK are major world powers that have had a lot of interaction as both allies and enemies, economically,

[OSM-talk-be] For OSM copyright enforcers: strangest map yet

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden André Pirard
Hi, I stumbled on this map http://www.balnam.be/boninne/sentier/21. They've got the Google Pegman, markers, zoom bar and logo. They've got a Google Terms of Use https://www.google.com/intl/en_US/help/terms_maps.html. But, gulp, the map is OSM (what I've just mapped, looked like an echo ;-) ) In

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andrew Guertin
On 05/28/2015 12:37 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: There is a fundamental difference between an actual name for a place and a translation of one of those names I DO agree with this statement[1]. However, I think that the point at which a word stops being a transliteration and starts being a native

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/28/2015 09:19 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning name tags in their language to thousands of places in, say, the UK. *Especially* if their reasoning was

Re: [Talk-in] Taginfo for India OSM

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Naveen Francis
Hi Yogi, Is there any tool to know how many kms of NH is covered in OSM http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/tags/network=IN%3ANH ? http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/keys/network#values Thanks, Naveen On 27 May 2015 at 13:52, Yogesh योगि yog...@karnatakaeducation.org.in wrote: Right, and tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Maarten Deen
On 2015-05-28 22:20, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/28/2015 09:56 PM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote: What I would not support in OSM, and like to outsource to Wikidata or other, is if speakers of these 20 languages were to start assigning name tags in their language to thousands of places in,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden SomeoneElse
On 27/05/2015 22:56, Andy Mabbett wrote: A demonstrator, using Wikidata labels, is: http://googleknowledge.github.io/qlabel/demo/map/ (choose select language). Coders might enjoy viewing the source code. That's interesting, but seems just to do multiple http transactions to get the names it

Re: [Talk-at] Grenzen

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Norbert Wenzel
On 05/27/2015 09:11 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: Den Satz wir mappen nicht für die Renderer kann ich nicht mehr hören. Für wen mappen wir denn? Für die Nutzer! Es bringt nichts sich auf die Renderer auszureden, wenn die Nutzer den Schaden haben. Viele Fundis unter den Mappern haben einen

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Paweł Paprota
But what exactly is the problem that you're trying to solve with this idea? Database size? There are much bigger contributing factors to database size than this, like rampant data redundancy everywhere, botched mechanical edits etc. Complexity of the UI of editors? I'm sure they can manage to

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andy Mabbett
On 27 May 2015 at 22:57, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: A possible problem is that currently, Wikidata notability policy[1] means that Wikidata will only contain items for notable objects/entities/concepts. (But note that Wikidata is much, much more inclusive than

Re: [Talk-it] problemi su mappatura

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniele Forsi
Il 28 maggio 2015 00:37, Max1234Ita ha scritto: Potrebbe essere utile, forse, chiedere agli autori di JOSM di includerlo tra le sorgenti disponibili a quando risalgono gli strati che vorresti far includere? per la CTR vedo che quello più recente sembra del 2010, secondo me non vale la pena

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-27 23:13 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: The place node for London has 154 name tags as we speak, but there are several thousand languages in use on the planet, so there's still room for enhancement. wasn't our credo that what the mappers are interested in will be

[OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
I have encountered some routing errors using our main website, but while trying to report it, I've found nowhere I could do it on the website and Tom said there's only one way to report it - directly at respective routing providers. I will manage that, but I think we should have better

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 11:58 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I think that OSM is a database of local knowledge and culture, not of remote knowledge and culture added from afar. Therefore I find it out of place for OSM to see that objects like the London node receive a constant flow of edits

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden SomeoneElse
On 28/05/2015 11:20, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Jueves 28. mayo 2015 10.59.21 Steve Doerr escribió: There might be a case for adding pronunciations (of 'difficult' names at least) to the OSM database. Someone must have proposed a tagging scheme for this, surely? Yup.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMdata / OSMbase instance

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Cristian Consonni
Hi, 2015-05-28 12:42 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: I'm following discussions on several mailing lists and an idea is starting to form to help solve some of our growing pains. I think it would be interesting to contemplate setting up our own instance of WikiData. Wikidata could then link

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Michał Brzozowski
This could be big. Remember that Mozilla Location Services does not provide Wi-Fi data download due to privacy concerns (Which is BS in my opinion). But with data downloads available, one can develop off-line location services that could very well complement one of our selling points, that is full

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 12:41, Mateusz Konieczny napisał(a): Further complicating such edits by moving it to Wikidata or somewhere else is in my opinion a bad idea. We would rather retrieve it from Wikidata, because many places are already there! Nova Scotia? - you're welcome:

Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Cristian Consonni
Ciao, Il 8 maggio 2015 08:51, Michele Mondelli mithenks...@gmail.com ha scritto: Buongiorno Cristian! Sicuramente il patrocinio di Wikimedia Italia è una cosa molto bella ed importante! Io sto aspettando l'approvazione ufficiale di tutto il progetto da parte dell'Università. Tra l'altro,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Jochen Topf
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 11:13:11PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: we're seeing more and more name:xx tags on OSM objects. [...] Generally I don't think having names in different languages on OSM objects is wrong. We have done it that way for a long time and, lets face it, as long as we allow it

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/28/2015 10:50 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The place node for London has 154 name tags as we speak, but there are several thousand languages in use on the planet, so there's still room for enhancement. wasn't our credo that what the mappers are interested in will be

Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Michele Mondelli
Buongiorno, sono in contatto con l'Università per capire quali date ci propongono e il tipo di spazi. La settimana prossima vado a parlare con il Comune, per presentare l'iniziativa e parlare di eventuale patrocinio. Mi piacerebbe molto fare un hangout la settimana prossima, se volete propongo

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 10:50, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): My conclusion: I'd rather prefer to keep names in different languages inside OSM, because it makes it clear to which object they refer, while it is less clear from wikidata. Also because the structure of osm and wikidata is not the same,

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/28/2015 10:19 AM, Paweł Paprota wrote: But what exactly is the problem that you're trying to solve with this idea? I think that OSM is a database of local knowledge and culture, not of remote knowledge and culture added from afar. Therefore I find it out of place for OSM to see that

[OSM-talk] OSMdata / OSMbase instance

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Jo
I'm following discussions on several mailing lists and an idea is starting to form to help solve some of our growing pains. I think it would be interesting to contemplate setting up our own instance of WikiData. Wikidata could then link to entries in it and vice versa for the items which are 1:1

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden SomeoneElse
On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote: Hello, I'd like to share my story. We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game. Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English are most significant. Now we're in open beta, you can look at the map at

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 28 May 2015, Komяpa wrote: Let's take a case: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/286131994 - Slough, GB. Pronounced /ˈslaʊ/, which corresponds to russian Слау. Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough links to russian https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83.

Re: [Talk-at] Straßenbahnen

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Stephan Bösch-Plepelits
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 12:11:19PM +0200, Michael Maier wrote: ein Tagging- oder ein Renderingfehler ist, aber irgendwas gehört da gemacht (im letzteren Fall zumindest ein Bugreport), Das ist ein persönlicher Stil von Andy Allan - wiedermal Closed Source :-/. Bugreports wohl wiedermal nur

[OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Paul Johnson
OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/ It's similar to Google's location services or Mozilla's location service, but free. You can make use of it as a location provider in Android using the OpenBMap plugin https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=unifiednlpfdid=org.openbmap.unifiedNlp for microG

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Maarten Deen
On 2015-05-28 11:30, Komяpa wrote: How do we cover this use case in OpenStreetMap, with its eager-to-revert-names-in-languages-I-don't-speak users? I'm genuinely curious: How do people in Russia search for places that are not in Russia? If you search for London, do you search for London or

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves 28. mayo 2015 10.59.21 Steve Doerr escribió: There might be a case for adding pronunciations (of 'difficult' names at least) to the OSM database. Someone must have proposed a tagging scheme for this, surely? Yup. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Phonetics --

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Komяpa
I'm genuinely curious: How do people in Russia search for places that are not in Russia? If you search for London, do you search for London or do you search for Лондон? I know I am not searching for Москва, Новосибирск, or Владивосток when I need Moscow, Novosibirsk or Wladiwostok. I can't

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 28 May 2015, Komяpa wrote: People in Russia usually use russian names of objects. Culturally, until google maps was invented, every family in xUSSR seemed to have ~300-page world atlas, ( https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%82%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81_%D0%BC%D 0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0),

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Komяpa
Hello, I'd like to share my story. We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game. Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English are most significant. Now we're in open beta, you can look at the map at https://ru.wargaming.net/globalmap/ To release the map, we need

Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Cristian Consonni
Il 28 maggio 2015 11:41, Michele Mondelli mithenks...@gmail.com ha scritto: Mi piacerebbe molto fare un hangout la settimana prossima, se volete propongo un paio di giorni/orari e vediamo chi può partecipare. Bene! Grazie. C ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 11:41 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But let's not get sidetracked, that's a different discussion from the Wikidata question. I just hope that Wikidata doesn't list New Brige as the English name of Pont Neuf or else they have a problem ;) actually they do for

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 28 May 2015 12:11:32 +0200 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2015-05-28 11:30, Komяpa wrote: How do we cover this use case in OpenStreetMap, with its eager-to-revert-names-in-languages-I-don't-speak users? I'm genuinely curious: How do people in Russia search for places

[OSM-talk-be] RAVELS : changement de dénomination

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Matthieu Gaillet
Salut à tous, Du boulot pour nous en perspective : Nous vous informons que ces appellations RAVeL 1, 2, 3, 4 et 5 vont disparaître et être remplacées par 10 nouveaux itinéraires régionaux de longue distance et 4 internationaux. Un nouveau site Internet RAVeL est en cours de

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Florian Lohoff
Hi Daniel, On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:15:34AM +0200, Daniel Koć wrote: I have encountered some routing errors using our main website, but while trying to report it, I've found nowhere I could do it on the website and Tom said there's only one way to report it - directly at respective routing

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 11:45, Florian Lohoff napisał(a): Hi Daniel, On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:15:34AM +0200, Daniel Koć wrote: the current provider and maybe note on the map (in case this is a tagging problem). Typically there is no such thing as a route error. The engine consumes the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Steve Doerr
On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/286131994 - Slough, GB. Pronounced /ˈslaʊ/, which corresponds to russian Слау. Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough links to russian https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%83. That translation was added

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden moltonel 3x Combo
On 28/05/2015, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It is my impression that a large proportion of name:xx tags in OSM are added by naming specialists who do little else than large scale name additions. Nothing wrong with that, a lot of OSM contributors specialize in some type of data.

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden François Lacombe
Hi paul, Can you detail a little more how this could be a real powerhouse please ? Is this just a use case for map renders or something with more OSM services interaction ? All the best François 2015-05-28 11:21 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden moltonel 3x Combo
On 28/05/2015, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/05/2015, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If we could offload 99.99% of all name:xx tags to Wikidata and keep them only in edge cases like your Scalinata di Trinità dei Monti, why not? Why would a few cases in which

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 14:13, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): there are a lot of problems (you can read about them in this thread) and yes, administrative entities, especially the basic ones like admin_level 2-4, are easiest, you will encounter more problems with different objects like geographic

Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Paul Johnson
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: This could be big. Remember that Mozilla Location Services does not provide Wi-Fi data download due to privacy concerns (Which is BS in my opinion). But with data downloads available, one can develop off-line

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden moltonel 3x Combo
On 28/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Another issue that can be seen here: nobody will want this Puente Nuevo (París) as a label for a bridge on a map (París) Funny ah? Every single entity in wikidata I have looked at had some issues in one or the other way, I

[OSM-talk] What's your OSM story?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
In just over a week's time it's State of the Map US (yay). I'm giving a talk which will touch on why people contribute to OSM - and how we can get more! I'd love to hear your story as to what got you started. I know there's some good Serious Research on the topic, but for now I'm more

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Janko Mihelić
čet, 28. svi 2015. 00:11 David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com je napisao: It would be great to have a dedicated wikibase install just for geographic names, like GeoNames but part of openstreetmap. Such database can be linked to Wikidata and then you can also have items for every geographic

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:33 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Another issue that can be seen here: nobody will want this Puente Nuevo (París) as a label for a bridge on a map (París) Funny ah? Every single

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Clifford Snow
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl wrote: User wouldn't know it and that's why I proposed also a note. We (OSM+routing providers) should resolve it or reject if this is not the real problem or it's too hard/too esoteric (#WONTFIX), but there should be an easy way of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMdata / OSMbase instance

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Jo
I wouldn't mirror our node, way and relation objects in it though. Jo 2015-05-28 13:00 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: Hi, 2015-05-28 12:42 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: I'm following discussions on several mailing lists and an idea is starting to form to help

Re: [OSM-talk] Reporting routing problems

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Janko Mihelić
I'd like the following procedure: 1. user makes a route and finds an error 2. There is a button Found an error in your route? 3. You click the button, and it behaves the same as the existing note button. You drag the pointer to the problematic part of your route and write you can't turn left

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden SomeoneElse
On 28/05/2015 16:38, Andrew Guertin wrote: A quick internet search shows plenty of results for Абергавенни, including Wikipedia, hotel booking sites, and Harry Potter websites, and by looking at Google's book results, you can see that it's been in use since at least the 1800s. And with just

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 13:56 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: So what's the problem? there are a lot of problems (you can read about them in this thread) and yes, administrative entities, especially the basic ones like admin_level 2-4, are easiest, you will encounter more problems with different

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Komяpa
Hello, name:pronunciation, as mentioned on that page, is in use in a few problems, and would surely solve the Slough problem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/10021975/history (though John Betjeman's idea might have been better) Would you please recommend a tool to transform

Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Andrew Guertin
On 05/28/2015 07:07 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 28/05/2015 10:30, Komяpa wrote: Hello, I'd like to share my story. We're making a new Global Map for World of Tanks game. Game is translated into many languages, of which Russian and English are most significant. Now we're in open beta, you can

[OSM-talk-ie] Spam

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Colm Moore
Hi, I've received spam via the internal OSM messaging system (NOT this mailing list) How do I report this? Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] SeFaireConnaitre :(

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Pierre-Yves Berrard
Bien vu pour le recalage, la position est assez bonne du coup. Mais c'est en fait un doublon puisque le POI était déjà présent dans osm. Je vais fusionner pour conserver toutes les infos. Le 28 mai 2015 21:06, Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : J'en ai vu aussi, mais il y a

Re: [Talk-GB] Snowdonia National Park Boundary

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Dave F.
You're correct, it is a bit screwed up http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=287245 http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=287245_noCache=on History should be listed here: http://osm.virtuelle-loipe.de/history/ Dave F. On 28/05/2015 20:12, Colin Smale wrote: Hi

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Autocariste, dépôt de bus, de train

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Éric Gillet
Le 28 mai 2015 11:49, Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com a écrit : A mon sens il parlait des noms donnés pour décrire quelque chose sans rapport avec un quelconque nom identifiable sur le terrain. Si cimetière municipal est bien le nom inscrit, alors oui il a tout à fait sa place pour le tag

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Intégration des données de PSS dans OSM

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Vincent Frison
Le 1 mai 2015 21:14, Vincent Frison vincent.fri...@gmail.com a écrit : Merci pour vos réponses, notamment Philippe pour ton mail très instructif. Et donc s'il faut résumer cette licence BY-NC-ND empêche toute extraction de donnée vers OSM, c'est vraiment dommage. Je vais quand même essayer

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] modification page Wiki

2015-05-28 Diskussionsfäden Philippe Verdy
Déjà la largeur forcée de la table (600 pixels) n'est pas nécessaire du tout, tout va bien quand on l'enlève. Ensuite si l'écran n'est pas assez large, les colonnes se reserrerront toutes seules. Le 28 mai 2015 20:31, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonsoir, La colonne

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