Re: [Talk-transit] Public Transport Line Diagram

couldn't think of any other way of doing this? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism

in simple cases such as two bus stops on opposite sides of the road. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

[Talk-GB] The Map vs The Ground (was: NCN numbering)

?) Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-GB] Linked Railway Data Project Datasets

with the ref= tag. Which URLs would you want to import though? The ones to Wikipedia? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com Sent from Manchester, Eng, United Kingdom ___ Talk-transit mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] Linked Railway Data Project Datasets

with the ref= tag. Which URLs would you want to import though? The ones to Wikipedia? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com Sent from Manchester, Eng, United Kingdom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

decide. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

with this, if people think it's a good idea. (Personally, I think the scope for OSM to be a provider of linked-data POIs is huge, but I'll admit it's a bit of a departure from making maps). Frankie [1] http://code.flickr.com/blog/2009/09/28/thats-maybe-a-bit-too-dorky-even-for-us/ -- Frankie Roberto

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

it could be made easier to navigate from the 'Data' overlay to the /browse/* pages - the details link really isn't obvious! Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

hours. BTW, OpenStreetMap seems to be how the project is spelled across the site...?!? -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

of caching it. Frankie [1] http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/place-pages-for-google-maps-there-are.html -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

[OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

) are available. It's also something we already seem to do a good job at. However I don't know whether this crosses some major ideological division within the community?? Either way, could we at least try to make some form of 'terms of use' for the API and map tiles available? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

. As to yes/no vs true/false vs 1/0 though, I think there was a discussion about this ages ago, and the conclusion seemed to be (from memory) that yes/no was the preferred/most common approach. (Guess renderers should probably accept all three forms though). -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer

Re: [OSM-talk] Terms of use for OSM tiles and API?

services out there, most people tend to use the APIs provided by the services themselves, unless the have particularly big requirements. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list

Re: [Talk-transit] Relations for stop areas in NaPTAN

! Agreed we don't need a vote. Community consensus, and working examples, are much more important. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] Railway. Source= GPS

on the roof or walking the tracks, what tips could you give me to get a recording of my journey? Cheers Dave F. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Frankie Roberto

Re: [Talk-transit] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Train station names: Place Station ou just Place ?

@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114

Re: [Talk-transit] East Lothian Bus Stops lack any details on the ground

of the bus stops in Manchester are exactly like this - it's appalling. London seems to be one of the few places where there has been a real effort made to make buses easier to use - I miss the spider maps... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!

with. P.S. sheep=yes http://78.46.66.234/lightroom-cat/stratford%20areal/2009/2009-09-10/DSC07678.JPG water_trough=yes? :-) Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list

Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!

and RichardF in, in the hope that they can help us connect things up. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Train station names: Place Station ou just Place ?

or building=train_station ? Maybe, but then 'London' is implied from the location too. -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: Place Station ou just Place ?

or building=train_station ? Maybe, but then 'London' is implied from the location too. -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: Place Station ou just Place ?

2009/9/17 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote: I've been doing some work on the representation of railway stations in OSM (along with others on the talk-transit mailing list). Thank you for your long reply. I didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Linking to the wiki's tag description pages from the website

like this will lead to an influx of fixes. So the code is there, but is it a good idea to add these links? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle

Re: [Talk-transit] Should railway station relations includebusstops?

/relation/199517 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/201160 It is my intention this week to focus on PT tagging in London. I need to dip myself into editing the map by hand again, I've been stuck in code land for too long. Great! Fancy a trip to Waterloo? :-) Frankie -- Frankie Roberto

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Data Liberation Front - beyond amazing

that were pin pointed using Google maps/streetview/sat imagery as long as it isn’t vector data isn’t restricted in re-use? I just posted a comment too: http://www.edparsons.com/2009/09/liberating-your-my-maps-data/#comment-154387 Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977

Re: [Talk-transit] Should railway station relations includebusstops?

it yesterday as it happens). -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit

Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

boundary, that's reasonably well understood by locals, but has no legal or physical basis, then is it ok to map that as an area? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk

Re: [Talk-transit] Should railway station relations include busstops?

, and features outside of the building on the road network (bus stops, maybe tram stops) that are simply used to connect to the station? Frankie P.S Waterloo station seems to have 3 relations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_train_stations -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle

Re: [Talk-transit] Should railway station relations includebusstops?

the 'station' nodes that are used in the simpler schema). Guess we also need to add the platforms for Waterloo (Wikipedia says there are 20), as well as some of the accesses (footbridges, etc). Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

ways, one tagged as a cycle path, one as a footpath, and then add them both to a relation)... However, it's probably quicker to follow one of your earlier suggestions... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

=religion :-) -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[Talk-transit] Should railway station relations include bus stops?

-created relation for the bus stop ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/199421). Should these two be merged? Or are bus stop areas and train stations conceptually distinct? Frankie P.S I note that the Naptan relation doesn't have a type=* tag. This should probably be type=site? -- Frankie

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping Tram Lines

the crossing points for pedestrians and cars. Shaun ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http

Re: [Talk-GB] More NaPTAN Counties Uploaded - Bristol and Cheshire East

uploaded Bristol and Cheshire East. Nice! Can I request that the data for Manchester is added? I can't promise to check it all, but I'd do my bit (and help to spread the word ( http://manchesterbus.typepad.com/ might be interested). Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114

Re: [Talk-transit] Vertical Levels (Layers) versus Altitude for stations

/Identification_of_Fixed_Objects_In_Public_Transport [3] http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20080105_shanghai_metro_century_avenue_station.htm [4] http://www.wildalaskacruises.com/capabilities.htm -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [Talk-transit] Monorails

at the Alton Towers monorail (which I'm at least familiar with), as well as the Chessington World of Adventures one (which is more of a ride, as there's only one station, and takes you round in a big circle). Any other big monorail systems we can map? :-) Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer

[Talk-transit] Public Transport routing

information (and diagrams) in it, that could be worth merging into the Railways page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Railways). Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list

Re: [Talk-transit] Monorails

/United_Kingdom_monorails) btw. I had to do a bit of track-doubling, adding stations, and again, I'm not sure whether it goes clockwise or anti-clockwise. Can't remember either whether there's another station in the middle either. Only 4 more to go now... :-) -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114

Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested

this should really be added to the two separate halves of the zoo instead), so I'm looking forward to seeing how that renders... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB

[Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested

who works at the zoo, so I'm aiming to get the map as complete as possible, and then to send them a colour print of it as a gift. So, any help would be gratefully received! Frankie P.S The zoo is a great place to visit, if anyone fancies a day out... Don't miss the baby giraffe! -- Frankie

Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested

them? Yep. Actually, there are a lot of fences. I've experimented with areas tagged zoo=enclosure for a few bits, but that's a completely new invention (I think). Cheers, Frankie -- Frankie Roberto ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http

[Talk-transit] Mentioned on the Open Knowledge Foundation blog

Nice article here: http://blog.okfn.org/2009/08/20/where-is-the-nearest-bus-stop-uk-department-for-transport-adds-naptan-data-to-open-street-map/ -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] JOSM Plugin

suspect that might be a little out-of-scope for a map...? Perhaps concentrate on mapping the routes first? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Google maps)

/petereastern/3838985737/ [6] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3839310795/ ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer

Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Google maps)

and Kings Cross rail station. Mind you, I've always found Kings Cross to be confusing on the ground too - once almost missed my train by not realising that I needed Kings Cross Thameslink rather than Kings Cross. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http

Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area

, and then submit that as a patch? Might get the change implemented a bit quicker... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-transit] pay_scale_area

Dave F wrote: First off a couple of queries about transit talk. Is T-T purely email client based or is there a web page listing the posts? There's a web archive here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-transit/ (this is linked to in the footer of each of the posts) I receive a

Re: [Talk-transit] Railway route relations

%3Drailway (I'm not too fussed whether we use route=rail or route=railway, however it's been suggested that route=rail has been used already where route=train would be better) -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [Talk-transit] Subject: Re: Railway route relations

). Incidentally, many metro systems don't have an advertised timetable as such, instead more likely an advertised frequency (eg every 3-5 minutes). This is something that could, potentially, be included in OSM data... Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http

Re: [Talk-transit] Is 'Transit' and 'Public Transport' the same thing?

... Which terms sound more natural to other people on this list? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-transit] Route relations types

, but renderers and routing software would be advised to use a bit leeway when doing searches. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-transit] Railway route relations

is currently being used by a lot of relations for which route=train would be better. +1 route=railway and route=train works for me. For trams, would this be route=tramway and route=tram? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [Talk-transit] Railway route relations

of what's written in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema Thoughts? Frankie On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: The first question is what

[OSM-talk] England's coastal path

as they arrive (which will probably take decades). Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-transit] Railway route relations

services to the Alps? These services also travel along the lines known as High Speed 1 (from Folkestone to London) and the Channel Tunnel - should these also be tagged as separate relations? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [Talk-transit] Railway route relations

out spam anyway)? Do you have to turn spam filtering off for e-mails sent to the group (in order to be able to spot and ban people)? Frankie P.S How many people here are going to SOTM? Maybe we could have a mini transit meetup? -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http

Re: [OSM-talk] Species names

there... :-) Frankie [1] http://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/exhibits/ [2] http://www.chesterzoo.org/Visit/GettingAround/Zoo%20Map.aspx -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk

Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

to see more OSM in the press, but I have absolutely no clue in how to manage it... Ask Apple or Mozilla for help? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Frankie Roberto Experience

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Photos

to be able to browse the map, and then click on any building in order to see a photo of it. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-transit] West Mids Bus Routes

-- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit

[Talk-transit] East Coast Main Line

Is it too soon to add operator=uk_government to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4330149? :-) Frankie (P.S there doesn't seem to be a relation that covers the route yet). -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [Talk-transit] East Coast Main Line

/relation/165383), should name=Mid Norfolk Railway be present on the relation, the ways, or both? Frankie Shaun On 1 Jul 2009, at 18:09, Frankie Roberto wrote: Is it too soon to add operator=uk_government to http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4330149? :-) Frankie (P.S there doesn't seem

Re: [Talk-transit] West Mids Bus Routes

determines where you'll end up, as well as how much you'll pay). Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org

[Talk-transit] Heritage Railways

, if someone fancies doing a nice rendering of the UK clearly showing all of the heritage railway lines (perhaps with just terrain contours as a background), then I'll offer up to GBP 20 for a print of it... :-) Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http

Re: [Talk-transit] Trolley bus overhead wires

is probably marginally preferable to trolley_wire=installed, as it mirrors other *=yes tags. Either way, we should probably document it on the wiki so that it's a little more findable! Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Map legends: Another option

doing node-based POIs, which would probably cut down the complexity. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-transit] [Spam] Re: Multiple tracks

involve in this discussion? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] [Spam] Re: Multiple tracks

thing might be to have ways which mark both edges of the rail corridor (like how we do riverbanks). Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit

Re: [Talk-transit] [Spam] Re: Multiple tracks

it in a few places, but mainly only at stations (where I've also drawn the platforms). Has anyone attempted to draw the switches where two lines meet? How about adding oneway=yes? Level crossings? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

for that: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Operators Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

[Talk-transit] Mapumental

This is cool: http://www.mysociety.org/2009/06/01/say-hello-to-mapumental/ -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com Sent from Manchester, Greater Manchester, United Kingdom ___ Talk-transit mailing list

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

Hi all, I'd like to open up the proposed Architect=*http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/architecttag for voting, as there don't seem to have been any issues raised about it, and I've started using it in mapping already. Cheers, Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia definition in tag page template

should a dictionary definition be used instead of encyclopedia? I'm not sure what you mean here. -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com Sent from: Manchester Greater Manchester United Kingdom

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding architect names to buildings

to 'Proposed'/RFC status (and added it to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features). If anyone can think of any other comments / objections, add them here or to the page. Otherwise, I'll move it to a vote sometime next week. Cheers, Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding architect names to buildings

/Site), whereas using a simple architect=* tag, you could add this to the existing relation. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

[OSM-talk] Adding architect names to buildings

whether architect_name=* would be better. It seems that artist_name=* matches old_name=* better, but on the other hand it's not particularly ambiguous having artist=* or architect=*. Any thoughts? Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com

Re: [OSM-talk] node vs. area for amenities in wiki templates

the shop=* tags to the building outline itself. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto http://www.frankieroberto.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Walking Routes - wiki needs some work?

://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennine_Cycleway), which I've never seen signposted. Looking forward to seeing a walking map that's as good as the Cycle Map... :-) Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ talk