Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-27 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:04 AM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/02/2015, Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de wrote: fixme=stream␣attributes␣missing fixme=stream␣attribute␣data␣missing have not been added by an import but in an attempt to fix a broken import.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Here's an example semi-bulk FIXME cleanup just done. This was manual, not script based: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29107328 Clearly this was a simple mistake (a JOSM user doing select all and getting nodes in addition to the ways they wanted to target). The original changeset was:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I think part of the objection to mechanical removal is that just because there are a lot of particular values doesn't mean they are all junk, and some could well have been added by hand. Perhaps a more limited cleanup that

[OSM-talk] New statistics on volume of note creation and closing

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
In light of the discussion the volume and quality of note and fixme items, Pascal Neis has whipped up some nice long term data for notes. Hopefully corresponding data on fixme will be possible in the future. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-overview ​

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
To make this simpler, for now I propose to mechanically delete the tags: fixme=stream␣attibutes␣missing stream=fixme From several stream imports in the USA. Does anyone have comment or considerations for that proposal (beyond the usual mechanical edit policy)?

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
To make this simpler, for now I propose to mechanically delete the tags: fixme=stream␣attibutes␣missing stream=fixme From several stream imports in the USA. Does anyone have comment or considerations for that proposal (beyond the usual mechanical edit policy)?

Re: [OSM-talk] New statistics on volume of note creation and closing

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No one's holding you back from proposing (or making) code changes, are they? That proposal is already on the table: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/776

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: I am strongly in this camp. I have not seen any actual harm or problem presented for 1.3 million fixme tags yet. But there is the potential for problems if removed. Even fixme=yes tags convey information: Someone felt

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:10 AM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 05:00, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Any fixme in wide use I'm not interested in deleting. I'd strongly oppose the mechanical deletion of low volume fixme values. Mappers local to me often use individually

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
fixme=yes is an interesting one socially. It's a bit like tiger:reviewed=no If there's an obvious problem, I might feel confident to fix the issue and clear the tag out. But for most nodes I might be unsure what's wrong, or not be confident I know 100% about the object. Thus the fixme=yes sits

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I think you've misunderstood: You've said these are Junk Tags, and I think everyone has agreed with you on that. However people have also pointed out that they are probably attached to Junk Data. How

Re: [OSM-talk] new payment type

2015-02-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Greg Knisely g...@mapzen.com wrote: From a routing/driving directions perspective, I was hoping to determine if the user needs to slow down at all where a toll exists if they use an ETC device. That would be a short segment of maxspeed=25mph or whatever.

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Here's an example of a specific feature type bringing a new mapper to OSM: https://bicycletrax.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/campuses-with-the-most-bike-repair-stations/ A modicum of guerrilla mapping can have a huge effect. A few athletic fields and building outlines can quickly snowball into

[OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I'm opening a discussion about a potential mechanical edit to FIXME tags: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/fixme#values http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/FIXME#values It is apparent that a number of imports have left tens of thousands of fixme notes that have a low chance of ever

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
It's also possible to turn some of those like could_be_dunes_or_beach into notes, rather than FIXME. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Any fixme in wide use I'm not interested in deleting. Get rid: fixme=check/adjust␣position␣and/or␣merge␣with␣existing␣stop␣if␣exists fixme=type_of_palm fixme=imported_to_be_checked FIXME=stream␣attribute␣data␣missing Keep: fixme=continue fixme=position fixme=resurvey fixme=dual_carriageway

Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-23 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
21, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: I'm ready to start this import: the input to date has been carefully considered and adjustments made. I'm intending to add notes for locations where the press releases are insufficiently specific to correctly position the node

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-21 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Greg Troxel writes: That said, there is a lot of junk. But I just close them if I can't figure them out and if I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be able to if I showed up. I agree with Greg. If the not submitter didn't

Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-21 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I'm ready to start this import: the input to date has been carefully considered and adjustments made. I'm intending to add notes for locations where the press releases are insufficiently specific to correctly position the node. Often, the press releases are specific enough, but not always. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-21 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Do we have a graph of how many notes are open? It wouldn't be surprising to see a downward trend in the last few weeks from this change. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-20 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: In general I think it should be easier, not harder, to create notes and Ian's onosm is a good example of how to accomplish that. Adding artificial friction makes no sense to me. Less notes should not be an objective,

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-20 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
*A challenge*: clear 50 notes, and come back to this discussion with your ideas ;-). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-20 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:29 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: I believe it was Ian Dees who came up with http://onosm.org/ to address this. It collects detailed information and then creates an actionable note with that information. What would it take to get onosm or something

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-20 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Perhaps the most frustrating type of note is one where the writer clearly meant to help, but there's just not enough information

Re: [OSM-talk] Warning: OSM password phishing

2015-02-20 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Sigh. Unfortunately mentioning the URL of a bad site can help increase the credibility and reach of the bad site. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-20 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Here are two examples of mapping communities NOT in OSM: http://labyrinthlocator.com/ http://www.sanidumps.com/ To help find USA http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/148838 mappers: I've resolved to start including links to OSM in any location related email I send :-).

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-19 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: OSM is easy to edit - I think that it is better to avoid false information. OSM is not easy to edit for beginners (iD is a bit better for start, but it is also quite hard) A fair number of the notes in my areas

[OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-19 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
In preparation for a project, I made a concerted effort to clear notes in areas I know well. There were a few gems in there, but mostly it was pretty rough going. Many open notes were not actionable: 1) Pure junk (empty, scribbles) 2) Unsolvable wishes 3) Incomplete information (with no way to

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-18 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
A modicum of guerrilla mapping can have a huge effect. A few athletic fields and building outlines can quickly snowball into almost every building and driveway in town. [2] Try this: In the course of your everyday life, when you describe a meeting place to someone via email, send them a

Re: [OSM-talk] guide to vandalism” in OSM?

2015-02-17 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 12 February 2015 at 13:55, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: The comments were saying that vandalism is rare on OSM Wikipedia sensibly offers this advice:

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, Mapillary is great. I wonder if there's room to get GoPro+Mapillary to donate a few units to put together a rig that we could ship around to people in the US that could collect data for the US community...

Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-12 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing your mapping project. Regards, Greg

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-02-12 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Bryce, After reading through this thread, I just don't see this dataset as being high enough of quality to import. Arguing that users will be free to move objects does not jive with the ~10 years experience we have

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

2015-02-12 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
How about this: particularly in the case of two businesses within one building polygon, create non-building area's for the business tags. Then you get the sense of scale of the business, and preserve the free tagging of the building polygon. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] this has to stop: iD user mistakes all over the place

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Unfortunately, experience suggests that there's relatively little that a discussion on on the talk mailing list is going to be able to do here. Help with development or give productive feedback on the issue tracker.

Re: [OSM-talk] this has to stop: iD user mistakes all over the place

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I agree 100% that iD is making editing mistakes easier, out of proportion to the degree to which it makes editing by new users easier. The delete user interface is particularly fragile, encouraging the most pernicious form of damage: silent deletes. That goes for both the main map, and associated

Re: [OSM-talk] this has to stop: iD user mistakes all over the place

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: How is an open source project that was open source on day one, was publicly communicated from day one, heavily explained in time-consuming technical blog posts, has 77 contributors, and has accepted hundreds of pull

Re: [OSM-talk] this has to stop: iD user mistakes all over the place

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: That ticket doesn't have a difference of opinion: it has a core developer of iD offering to buy a cake for whoever contributes a fix. Nobody has contributed a fix: one would be accepted if it was contributed. Plus, we'd

Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing your mapping project. Regards, Greg Greg; There are five locations shown on the Arizona State University Tempe campus. Could you ground truth those? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] this has to stop: iD user mistakes all over the place

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: Ever since 2012, in the second commit ever, Not breaking other people's data has been one of the three clearly stated public design goals of iD. This goal does not appear to have been carried out. The iD project comes

Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
even on the best available air photos (e.g. better than the Bing ones). Even the street cameras are not generally enough: this really takes in person spotting. Any more comment / objection? On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: To summarize: a proposed import

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

2015-02-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
This seems to be tagging for the renderer which is not a good idea. If the only thing occupying the building is a single POI, then put the POI tags on the closed Way for the building outline. By adding a new object (Node) for the POI, you are also going against the One feature, one OSM

Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-09 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
. Regards, Greg On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com javascript:; wrote: To summarize: a proposed import of of bicycle repair stations. The database is maintained

[Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations

2015-02-07 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
To summarize: a proposed import of of bicycle repair stations. The database is maintained by a vendor of bicycle repair stations, the data quality is spot on in many cases, and geocoding level in other cases with the pins generally in the right area. The stations are too small to find on an air

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-02-06 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Are there any additional comments on the issue of importing (actually synchronizing) 500 bicycle repair stations? With this import OSM would become the most comprehensive database of repair station locations. To summarize: the import database is maintained by a vendor of bicycle repair stations,

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: On Mon Jan 26 07:37:57 2015 GMT, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: The locations I field checked were all findable, but had positioning errors consistent with smartphone GPS units, up to 30 meters. In each case I was able

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:10 AM, JB jb...@mailoo.org wrote: I have nothing against bicycle repair stations. Really. But, just in France, how many databases do we have that are as worth as this one ? Post offices, monuments, schools… Do we want to create some hundreds, thousands of notes for

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Again, that doesn't justify adding data you know are poor quality. Please don't do that. The data in question is collected via GPS: it's of similar quality to other POI's collected via GPS. Every one I sought out to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Also, if a tag isn't rendered in the default mapnik view, then those elements are unlikely to be cleaned up (absent a special render for a community of interest, which the cyclemap layer might be). It's a chicken and egg

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:09 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: But are there a lot of these repair stations around? I know of none. We usually have our bikes repaired in a bike shop. I made list of manufacturers of this type of station at

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Note for rendering. There appear to be stations that are under lock and key, not even permissive: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3190431752/history that I would not want to see mapped on a general purpose map. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:34 PM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: In this case the node seems to be a duplicate of http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2802994130 just across the road - I'm guessing that something went wrong when checking the nodes for import? The conflation has

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Where do OSM cycling enthusiasts hang out : is there a mailing list or group focused on cycling features? On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Bryce, where are these common? Not something I've seen here (in a wide sense of the word). After talking to the main

Re: [OSM-talk] Galaxy SIII GPS receiver issues, and alternatives

2015-01-23 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Has anyone encountered any problems with the GPS on the Galaxy SIII or similar models starting to malfunction after a while? Mine is around 18 months old and since around Easter its ability to connect to the

[Talk-us] Proposed import: Bicycle Repair Stations, Mostly in the USA

2015-01-22 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Head over to imports-us for the discussion. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Dero_Bike_Repair is the proposal page. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-06 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I'm a data consumer also. And I've faced tagging proposals that would break my imports also. In general while I think the tagging / wiki voting system is pretty broken, I also believe in mass re-tagging to make data more regular. While there's a one time disruption due to re-tagging, the promise

Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-06 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
While we're at it, it would be nice to have a database that allows going from the tagged item (e.g., fitness centre) to recommended tag. The iD editor has a nice internal feature called aliases, so a person looking to add a restroom will find the toilet preset.

Re: [Talk-us] access road routing - two real world cases

2015-01-06 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I would tag *access=destination* here, and hope routers don't use that route unless the way is within the bounding box (or at least near) to my destination. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] MEP - pipelines

2015-01-05 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
What about the maps I produce for my client? You're not likely to know about it as it is a private project. If you make a mechanical edit that breaks my render, should I send the bill for the changes to you rather than ask my client to pay? (This is not hypothetical I really do have a render

Re: [Talk-us] Misspelled names

2014-12-29 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Note that for shops with a website, KeepRight loads the website and matches the name. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Beaver dam? Wrecked bridge? Hallucinatory roads in TIGER?

2014-12-22 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I've frequently wanted to map the trails that peter out for exactly the reason you state. The choices as a mapper seem wrong: 1) Map the trail : thus encouraging use of a flawed route. 2) Don't map the trail. The casual map reader thinks OSM is missing something. Possible solutions include a

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a seasonally closed roads with uncertain spring opening

2014-11-30 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Paper maps handle this with Closed in winter. access=seasonal seems the tagging equivalent. Then, perhaps, if actual dates are announced they could be coded: access:announced_opening=20140501 A router may key off access=seasonal to warn people that a closure date needs to be checked for.

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2014-11-15 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Bryce, where are these common? Not something I've seen here (in a wide sense of the word). Simon They're showing up all over the United States. Every new Whole Foods Market seems to have one. They're typical on new rail

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2014-11-15 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote: Am 15.11.2014 um 02:32 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: I'd like to encourage people to map bicycle repair stations. There are only 18 in the database right now. Can we double that this week? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

[OSM-talk] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2014-11-14 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I'd like to encourage people to map bicycle repair stations. There are only 18 in the database right now. Can we double that this week? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbicycle_repair_station -- Separately I'm torn if it's better to map operator= for

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically

2014-11-12 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
To compare an alternative: A live service could look up the relationship in real time as a person clicked. Meaning you could make a map with the wikidata feature, without adding anything to OSM. Is simply using OSM as a cache for the output of a script that can be run later?

[OSM-talk] Accessing center feature from Overpass XML?

2014-10-09 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I know how to use out meta center; in Overpass query language to get the center of a way. What's the equivalent in Overpass XML? I tried adding it to the print, but I can't find documentation on print and the command is rejected: osm-script output=xml timeout=25 union query type=node

Re: [OSM-talk] How best to create a single point of interest online map with OSM data?

2014-10-03 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
many toilets are missing from OSM :-)! Bryce Nesbitt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] How best to create a single point of interest online map with OSM data?

2014-09-30 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson j...@betra.is wrote: Mappa Mercia have a tutorial on this, using uMap with live data from Overpass http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/09/creating-an-always-up-to-date-map.html Thanks for this. I did try it:

[OSM-talk] How best to view geometry history for a way?

2014-09-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I'm looking for a current answer to: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/6208/ *How to view the geometry of an older way?* Specifically I'm trying to view 2 and 3 of: http://iandees.github.io/osm-deep-history/#/way/20953890 I tried using JOSM's reversion plugin to see the old version, but

Re: [OSM-talk] How best to view geometry history for a way?

2014-09-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Tobias Preuss tobias.preuss+...@googlemail.com wrote: Did you try the OSM History Viewer? http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/index.jsp Ok, but the change-set is HUGE and I'd like to just focus on way 20953890

[Talk-us] Help with revert : Drag moved street in Denver

2014-09-23 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I did a partial revert of: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/25206929#map=18/39.75833/-105.03600layers=D Using JOSM. Would someone take a peek at this: it's my first revert, and a second set of eyes would be nice. The original edit dragged a road, disconnecting at multiple points.

Re: [Talk-us] Help with revert : Drag moved street in Denver

2014-09-23 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: usually disconnections shouldn't happen by a simple drag. At least in JOSM (but I believe also in the other editors), you'd have to actively disconnect the nodes. What I found was a road that remained

[OSM-talk] How best to create a single point of interest online map with OSM data?

2014-09-17 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
What's the best way to create a global single point of interest map, with OSM? I'm thinking something like this local pay phone map:

Re: [OSM-talk] Nexus 5 - No GPS - Fix

2014-09-15 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Had the same thing with a Nexus S: http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/77603/ Here it took screws. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Visually detect missing roads

2014-09-11 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
All contributors should keep in mind the terms of service for Google maps, OSM, and copyright laws in general. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
How do I use and tag private roads? I don't really bother. If a road is open for travel I don't care much if it's private. If a road has a gate, then, um, at least in most cases it's off limits. The gate is a better signal for routing compared to private/public. There are too may private roads

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-06 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 06/set/2014, alle ore 07:24, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: BUT ANY OF THESE can be primary, secondary, tertiary or residential. No, the ones that are too narrow (motorcycle

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-05 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I see rural roads breaking down fairly neatly: - Paved - Unpaved improved - Track - ATV/Narrow vehicle only (the United States Forest Service defines this as 50 body width or less) - Single track (e.g. Motorcycle) - Trail - Closed to some combination of

Re: [OSM-talk] We need a name!

2014-06-19 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Open Time Machine ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Invisible character LRM in some website values

2014-04-29 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Keepright and/or Maproulette are fine tools for crowfixing such things. Keepright is probably already picking them up, at it loads website tags and matches them to the other tags in the same OSM primitive. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Tagging natural or informal swimming holes?

2014-04-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Forgetting the tagging for a moment, is it not irresponsible to be mapping and thus being seen as encouraging such activities? Every year when there is hot weather there are warnings not to swim in lakes and rivers,

Re: [OSM-talk] Flying club ?

2014-04-24 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
You're really talking here about the club *headquarters*... the place where visitor interactions take place. The club may also have other facilities (berths, hangers) that are mappable, but not where you'd direct a first time visitor. ___ talk mailing

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports-us] [Imports] fleet manager speed limit import proposal (Canada, USA)

2014-04-07 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Keep in mind when collecting fleet speed limits: in many places HGV's have a different limit than other traffic. For example the Interstates in California USA are generally 65 mph general/55 mph trucks. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports-us] [Imports] fleet manager speed limit import proposal (Canada, USA)

2014-04-07 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
Keep in mind when collecting fleet speed limits: in many places HGV's have a different limit than other traffic. For example the Interstates in California USA are generally 65 mph general/55 mph trucks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie alert

2014-03-19 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:53 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: Bryce Nesbitt wrote: The entry level editor could reasonably limit new users to entry level edits. Messing with anything with a relation is not a first edit kind of activity. What if the entry level editor said

Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users

2014-03-17 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM, o...@charles.derkarl.org wrote: I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie alert

2014-03-13 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
The entry level editor could reasonably limit new users to entry level edits. Messing with anything with a relation is not a first edit kind of activity. What if the entry level editor said hey, this is too complex, map something else and gain some experience and come back to this section. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-03-03 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-03 13:19 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: The disambiguating word is initially. I explicitly say that separating nodes is an improvement. I'm trying to make it clear that glued vs separate is a good

Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-02-27 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 26/02/2014 01:02, Mike Thompson wrote It would be pretty silly to have a municiple boundary splitting the centre of a road so different administrations were responsible for maintaining the left the right. And yet:

Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-02-27 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can divide features to virtual and physical features. Virtual: highway centerlines, waterway centerlines, administrative borders, industrial and residental landuse, parks Physical: riverbanks, buildings,

Re: [OSM-talk] Not attaching polygons to roads

2014-02-21 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.comwrote: I agree with the matter of taste argument insofar as I dont complain to mappers who initially glue areas to lines. It's just data that can be improved like any other, and if it tastes easyer to that mapper, it's

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch deprecation

2014-02-21 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I think all three major editors make it too easy to damage relations. And that starting to damage a relation (by a user) is a perfect teaching opportunity. The moment someone deletes part of a boundary relation, is the perfect teaching moment about boundary relations.

Re: [Talk-ca] [Imports] GNS tag cleanup

2014-02-21 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
My comments largely revolve around the use of editor based deprecation. --- One comment is specific to GNS. The gns:uni and gns:ufi are a primary keys in the source data, and as such should definitely be kept to aid in future matching or conflation of the object. See:

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-02-03 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Sebastian Arcus s.ar...@open-t.co.uk wrote: All of that doesn't really exist in the US, if my knowledge serves me right. Even the smallest of settlements (bigger than a farm) seemed to have started in the US around a group of facilities, such as shops,

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-01-29 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I generally copy the tags to the boundary (in JOSM copy the node, then paste tags into the way). The tiger and gnis tags do not overlap. The GNISID is a particularly useful tag to preserve. Town vs. City is a matter of opinion. You can visit the municipal website and use whatever term they use

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-01-29 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: terms like town and city generally have specific legal meanings in the US, and those meanings vary from state to state. this is one where in all likelyhood you should leave it to a local mapper, or consult with a

Re: [Talk-us] Merging a GNIS node with a TIGER way - for a town

2014-01-29 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: terms like town and city generally have specific legal meanings in the US, and those meanings vary from state to state. this is one where in all likelyhood you should leave it to a local mapper, or consult with a

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Tag Closed Airport

2014-01-26 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:04 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The when last observed disclaimer is unnecessary. Any recorded status is going to be when last observed, unless you are talking about a live broadcast. Not necessarily. A user of Walking Papers

Re: [OSM-talk] How to Tag Closed Airport

2014-01-25 Per discussione Bryce Nesbitt
I favor disused=yes, perhaps with access=no and a note=. The wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disused would favor disused:aeroway=aerodrome -Byce Notes 1) Were there an objectnote:en= feature meant for display in map clients, this would be a good addition also. Note 2)

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