Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-08 Per discussione Richard Mann
I tend to abbreviate Saint (to St), because the full version is almost never used, and certainly never spoken by anybody locally (they say something closer to Sunt, which they wouldn't say if confronted with the unabbreviated version). Whereas Road / Avenue / Street get written out in full,

[OSM-talk] South Sudan, the world's newest Country

2011-07-08 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
I am here relaying an interesting message from Richard Cantwell of www.geographic.ie who had originally posted it to help.openstreetmap.org: -- Hi All, As of today a new country has been born, South Sudan. You can see the general border of the

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Doerr
On 08/07/2011 09:28, Richard Mann wrote: I tend to abbreviate Saint (to St), because the full version is almost never used, and certainly never spoken by anybody locally (they say something closer to Sunt, which they wouldn't say if confronted with the unabbreviated version). Whereas Road /

Re: [OSM-talk] South Sudan, the world's newest Country

2011-07-08 Per discussione Andrew
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: I am here relaying an interesting message from Richard Cantwell of www.geographic.ie who had originally posted it to help.openstreetmap.org: -- If anybody has details of the exact border this

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

2011-07-08 Per discussione Oleg
Floris, thanks for feedback! We have to fix amp ;) then - we can't deal with autocorrection on phone, but we can reduce them by simplyfying tagging process (still thinking on HOW). Location fix - unfortunately we don't have any chances to automate it, guess adding a layer to MapDust can help with

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

2011-07-08 Per discussione Oleg
By the way - as we're working on osmitter pretty eventually, trying to spend some hour-or-two after work on it's improvements (and not every day) - we're thinking now if we can cooperate on it - probably, we can make a git clone at github and fine-tune the tool, while keep it pretty simple (what's

Re: [OSM-talk] house numbers, new zealand style

2011-07-08 Per discussione colliar
Am 08.07.2011 04:59, schrieb Richard Weait: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: i'm currently adding house numbers to some properties in my locality (and using this to prepare for an import). the problem is this: some blocks of houses have both a

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Nathan Edgars II
On 7/8/2011 10:05 AM, Nakor Osm wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: So what's the point? Any halfway-decent router will take the obvious route. Even if a router doesn't do that, it should be clear to someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I've come across a fair number of what I call obvious turn restrictions. Here's an example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1566983 The only thing being prevented by this is turning right onto Shelbyville

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Mike N
On 7/8/2011 11:21 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: North Elk Vale has been split into three ways with four relations on each side of the overpass. And for what? To prevent a router from telling you to turn right in the wrong part of the intersection? Is a GPS even accurate to 100 feet? I'm for

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a better example of the problem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1591319/history North Elk Vale has been split into three ways with four relations on each side of the overpass. And for what? To

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Ed Avis
Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com writes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1591319/history North Elk Vale has been split into three ways with four relations on each side of the overpass. And for what? To prevent a router from telling you to turn right in the wrong part of the

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-08 Per discussione colliar
Am 08.07.2011 05:49, schrieb John Harvey: I find there are a lot more abbreviations if you look at addr:street= rather than the name= . I suspect that with mobile entry of POI's we are going to see more and more abbreviations being entered, just because mobile keyboards are slow. I would

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-08 Per discussione Jo
I made this same remark and somebody changed the wiki: street one or more The associated street (more than one way possible if they are the same street, just have been split for mapping reasons) Now all that is needed is that JOSM's validation rules stop complaing about more than one street role

Re: [OSM-talk] South Sudan, the world's newest Country

2011-07-08 Per discussione Mikel Maron
I've asked in a few places for a source of the border geodata. Will get back if I hear anything. == Mikel Maron == +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Andrew andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 2:46:46 PM Subject:

[OSM-talk] offering adapted databases

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
This is an except from a message I sent to Steve. But hopefully someone can answer these questions for me (and for everyone who wants to comply with the ODbL): If you publicly use any adapted version of this database, or works produced from an adapted database, you must also offer that adapted

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Nathan Edgars II neroute2 at gmail.com writes: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1591319/history North Elk Vale has been split into three ways with four relations on each side of the overpass. And for what? To prevent a

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-08 Per discussione Roland Olbricht
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011 04:54:37 schrieb Robin Paulson: hi, I'm currently adding a lot of bus routes to roads in central Auckland. problem is, it's getting hard to manage. I've successfully mapped a full public transport network with 50 lines and 1500 stops. I've used JOSM with the public

[OSM-talk] Brilliant!

2011-07-08 Per discussione Richard Weait
Bravo, Señor España. Bravo. http://opengeodata.org/state-of-the-map ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Obvious turn restrictions

2011-07-08 Per discussione Nathan Edgars II
On 7/8/2011 12:15 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a better example of the problem: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1591319/history North Elk Vale has been split into three ways with four relations on each side of

Re: [OSM-talk] offering adapted databases

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
Lets say you make a map and someone wants the data. First, are you acting in the spirit of the license? Let's assume yes. That gets you 99% of the way there, despite your technical detail analysis. Next, you don't have to make the database available. You can make the db available, or the

Re: [OSM-talk] offering adapted databases

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Lets say you make a map and someone wants the data. First, are you acting in the spirit of the license? Let's assume yes. That gets you 99% of the way there, despite your technical detail analysis. I'm not really sure what

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-08 Per discussione Ben Laenen
Richard Weait wrote: After careful consideration, effective immediately Mikel Maron, Andy Robinson and Mike Collinson have access to the moderation system across the main OSM mailing lists. They will use their best judgment according to the a

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
The latter. ...Unless the list gets *really* bad :-) On 7/8/2011 4:17 PM, Ben Laenen wrote: Richard Weait wrote: After careful consideration, effective immediately Mikel Maron, Andy Robinson and Mike Collinson have access to the moderation system across the main OSM mailing lists. They

Re: [OSM-talk] offering adapted databases

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Adding a question, because your point about storage brings up a potential semi-solution:  What if I just store every database I ever use on a hard drive, and if someone asks for a copy I send them, for the cost of a hard drive plus

[Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna
Ciao, premetto che io non mi intendo praticamente per niente di relazioni tra tracciati di autobus(fermate,percorsi, etc..).. ho provato tempo fa a buttarne giù una che conoscevo bene, ma mi sono reso conto che se ne dovessi fare una che non ho mai percorso non saprei dove mettere le mani.. così

Re: [Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Stefano Salvador
Si possono avere delle mappe su cui far muovere un puntino in modo da vedere la propria posizione(ovviamente con software free che usa osm)? Si possono integfrare le mappe nel sito dell'azienda con la possibilità di calcolo dei percorsi? (partenza/arrivo, durata, orari, corse disponibili..)?

Re: [Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Simone Saviolo
Il giorno 08 luglio 2011 11:29, Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna luca_orla...@hotmail.it ha scritto: Si possono avere delle mappe su cui far muovere un puntino in modo da vedere la propria posizione(ovviamente con software free che usa osm)? Si possono integfrare le mappe nel sito dell'azienda con

Re: [Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna
Ho provato a fare una piccola linea urbana in un layer diverso, copiando le strade dal layer principale e incollandole con i giusti tag nel layer dei bus, dopo di che ho caricato le modifiche.. ora però scaricando il layer di nuovo ho errori che dicono che ci sono percorsi incrociati.. è un

Re: [Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna
Vorrei tanto cancellare il gruppo di modifiche, ma non so come si può fare.. so che utilizzando OSM History Viewer si poteva fare qualcosa, ma non so come.. - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna -- View this message in context:

Re: [Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Enrico Piccinelli
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna wrote: Ho provato a fare una piccola linea urbana in un layer diverso, copiando le strade dal layer principale e incollandole con i giusti tag nel layer dei bus, dopo di che ho caricato le modifiche.. ora però scaricando il layer di nuovo ho errori

Re: [Talk-it] Presentazione Autobus

2011-07-08 Per discussione Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna
Ok grazie ci proverò - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Presentazione-Autobus-tp6561881p6562652.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Talk-at] OSM in qando - Beschwerde an Wiener Linien und VOR?

2011-07-08 Per discussione Hannes Brandstätter-Müller
Heute ist eine aktuelle Version rausgekommen, in der auf der Infoseite ganz unten ein Kartenmaterial von OpenStreetMap Hinweis ist, damit sollte das wohl vorerst aus der Welt geschafft sein. Dass trotzdem wesentliche Informationen auf der Karte nicht dargestellt werden, ist dann wohl deren Problem

Re: [Talk-at] OSM in qando - Beschwerde an Wiener Linien und VOR?

2011-07-08 Per discussione Flo Ledermann
Genügt das eurer Meinung nach den unter http://www.openstreetmap.de/faq.html#lizenz http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Legal_FAQ#Ich_m.C3.B6chte_OpenStreetMap_verwenden._Wie_soll_ich_auf_euch_hinweisen.3F ja relativ klar dargestellten Richtlinien? (Hab' jetzt selbst noch keinen Screenshot

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione sanela
Wow! Nisam znala za locname :) Vidi se da nis ne radim. Da, pitanje je lokalnog govora koji ima vecu tezinu u lokalnom podrucju. Nije to kriva ili nepotpuna uporaba, postoje i sluzbene karte sa skracenim imenima. Sve ovisi o namjeni podataka. Obraticu paznju kad budem crtala! On 8 Jul 2011

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione Darko Boto
Jos prije, na onoj prvoj mail listi (koliko se sjecam a mozda i na onom prvom sastanku) smo razgovarali o ovom problemu i dogovorili smo da se pisu oni nazivi ulica koji su napisani na PLOCAMA i to zato jer, kao prvo, nismo mogli legalno doci do sluzbenih naziva ulica (sto ne znaci da ne mozemo

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione sanela
'Popis imena ulica i kućnih brojeva' tako se zvao dokument kolko se ja sjećam a za njega je zadužen prije katastar nego dgu. Područni katastri bi trebali imati te informacije. 2011/7/8 Darko Boto darko.b...@gmail.com Jos prije, na onoj prvoj mail listi (koliko se sjecam a mozda i na onom prvom

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione Darko Boto
2011/7/8 sanela spvuji...@gmail.com: 'Popis imena ulica i kućnih brojeva' tako se zvao dokument kolko se ja sjećam a za njega je zadužen prije katastar nego dgu. Područni katastri bi trebali imati te informacije. Da.. oni su zaduzeni za sluzbene nazive, ali tko je zaduzen za to koji ce se

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione SilverSpace
Čini mi se da je i kod njih ista stvar kao i na osm_u mješavina svakojakih naziva ulica. Čak u istoj ulici nađe se table sa različitim nazivom ulice na tabli ili kućnim broju. 2011/7/8 Darko Boto darko.b...@gmail.com 2011/7/8 sanela spvuji...@gmail.com: 'Popis imena ulica i kućnih brojeva'

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione Janko Mihelić
Ne bih znao koji su službeni, skraćeni i doslovni, ali na tablama su većinom, bar tamo gdje se ja krećem, cijeli nazivi. Dakle Ulica Nikole Tesle kao što se vidi i ovdje http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Addr. Vjerujem da je to službeni naziv. Danas sam vidio i da na jednoj tabli piše Cankarova

Re: [Talk-hr] Imena ulica

2011-07-08 Per discussione Tihomir Heidelberg - 9a4gl
On 8.7.2011. 16:10, Janko Mihelić wrote: A što se tiče Gundulićeve, stvarno piše da je *Gundulićeva ulica* službeno ime, ali na ovoj slici što sam našao: http://v1.cache4.c.bigcache.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/46856039.jpg negdje u sredini se vidi tabla, i piše *Ulica

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-08 01:43, Anthony wrote: The idea that the OSM database just reproduces geographical facts is, quite frankly, laughable. I would like to join the laughter so please show me an example of a non-geographical fact in the database. Bye, Andreas

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:59:26 +0200, Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-07-08 01:43, Anthony wrote: The idea that the OSM database just reproduces geographical facts is, quite frankly, laughable. I would like to join the laughter so please show me an example of a non-geographical fact in the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Simon Poole
Geo-referenced facts? And, all of your examples other even less potential to be a protected work than your typical way. Simon Am 08.07.2011 09:10, schrieb Maarten Deen: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:59:26 +0200, Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-07-08 01:43, Anthony wrote: The idea that the OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Maarten Deen wrote: Turn restrictions, maximum speeds, oneway streets, even the value of the highway tag is not a geographical fact. Sure they are. If I walk about 20 yards from my front door, there's a no entry sign at a certain lat/long. If I walk a bit further along, facing the other way,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Andreas Perstinger
On 2011-07-08 09:10, Maarten Deen wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:59:26 +0200, Andreas Perstinger wrote: On 2011-07-08 01:43, Anthony wrote: The idea that the OSM database just reproduces geographical facts is, quite frankly, laughable. I would like to join the laughter so please show me

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 02:18:46 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fairhurst wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Turn restrictions, maximum speeds, oneway streets, even the value of the highway tag is not a geographical fact. Sure they are. If I walk about 20 yards from my front door, there's a no entry sign at a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 08/07/11 10:31, Maarten Deen wrote: IMHO that's stretching the geographic bit very far. Sure, the fact that there is a sign is a geographic fact, but the fact that that signifies something for the road or object that's there is just convention. And highway value is certainly not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 02:18:46 -0700 (PDT), Richard Fairhurst wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Turn restrictions, maximum speeds, oneway streets, even the value of the highway tag is not a geographical fact. Sure they are. If I walk about 20 yards from my front door, there's a no entry sign at a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 08/07/11 13:14, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: And highway value is certainly not geographic. There is nothing about the location or presence of a road that makes it motorway or tertiary. That is only because it is designated as such. That designation can change

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] offering adapted databases

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
shifting to legal On 7/8/2011 3:50 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Steve Coastst...@asklater.com wrote: Lets say you make a map and someone wants the data. First, are you acting in the spirit of the license? Let's assume yes. That gets you 99% of the way there, despite

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione waldo000...@gmail.com
At the time that I stopped, that's right, there was no other aerial imagery. I just checked again now and Bing actually seems pretty ok... Maybe I'll start again sometime...but honestly, I'm not really in the mood lately. Maybe after a steak dinner or two... :P On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:11 PM,

[talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from John Smith, Anthony and friends. I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better without having the trolls fill my inbox. However, if I have missed any reasonable points in there then feel free

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
On 7/7/2011 9:37 PM, James Andrewartha wrote: On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote: This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are at and now it's down to people

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
Good to hear there is aerial now in your area, I hope you will continue to improve the map. Personally I've been adding lots of housenumbers lately. I find it weird that it's not as boring as I think it should be. Steve On 7/7/2011 11:13 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: At the time that I

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione John Smith
On 8 July 2011 16:18, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from John Smith, Anthony and friends. I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better without having the trolls fill my inbox. However, if

[talk-au] ATTN Steve Coast st...@asklater.com RE Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione All Blokes
I have not had very much to say on this but I have been reading the posts fairly closely. I would not in any way presume to speak for any other Australians other than myself, but I object most strenuously to the implication that I have in some way been perverted by 80n or any other person at

Re: [talk-au] ATTN Steve Coast st...@asklater.com RE Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione SteveC
Don't know how I can reply to someone who explicitly declares they don't want to change their mind or debate. In amongst the vitriol is perhaps a nugget that's worth responding to, this idea that somehow everyone on talk-au is 80n's puppet, is of course absurd. Unless you prove this isn't just

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from John Smith, Anthony and friends. I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better without having the trolls fill my inbox. I really don't know how to

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione SteveC
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:14, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from John Smith, Anthony and friends. I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better without

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: [ rubbish about Australians being led astray by some guy] It's hard to fix that, however I am resourceful. You're an immature brat who thinks shouting loudest and longest means you win the argument. That's not resourcefulness. It's impossible to carry on

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione SteveC
Sam Underlaying your attacks is the notion that I dismiss people who disagree with me, or that I can't understand different points of view. I find that strange given my rational responses to several disagreements on this list and outlaying where I feel misunderstandings have come from. I have

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm aware there are no remaining issues as to why you can't click 'accept'. The solution to the problem

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione SteveC
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:57, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm aware there are no remaining issues as

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: As it happens however, my view that John smith and others are trolls is widely held. And unless you have anything to discuss other than you believing what I write to be bullshit I'm afraid you will go in the same bucket. I didn't really expect anything

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione SteveC
On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:10, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Sam Underlaying your attacks is the notion that I dismiss people who disagree with me, or that I can't understand different points of view. I find that strange given my rational responses to

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione SteveC
On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:11, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: As it happens however, my view that John smith and others are trolls is widely held. And unless you have anything to discuss other than you believing what I write to be bullshit I'm afraid you

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Nilbog_Aus
I like Andrew's message below as I am Interested in what others are doing and why. So below is what effects the licence has had on me and I hope I might encourage others to share what they will be doing. Hopefully this might help us all make more informed decisions, knowing what Australians plan

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wouldn't say we chose it. We were told by legal that cc didn't work, so we spent a lot of time evolving the odbl (originally started by cc folks) and the CTs. It might look from that side of the planet that it was a hand of god type decision, but that's

[talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
The quiet and languid mailing list of normally laid back Australians exploded into vitriolic exchanges after a non-Australian hijacked a thread on the list. A number of listees found themselves offended by rash statements and then attempts were made to claim that white was black and black was

Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Per discussione Andrew Laughton
So what has caused this earthquake and corresponding tsunami? I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction. It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing. I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at the moment I am

[talk-au] Fw: ATTN Steve Coast st...@asklater.com RE Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione All Blokes
Oops!!! I didnt realise Steve posted this from his own address and copied talk-au@openstreetmap.org in to the email. so when I replied it appears that it  only went to st...@asklater.com... This  corrects that. Wouldn't  want to be accused by someone of having private conversations!!! Paul

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: No, John smith and friends are a separate issue, they troll many different discussions. Who are and friends? I only watch talk-au so if there's trolling going on elsewhere I haven't seen it. What I have seen is you dismissing others as being deliberately

Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote: I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction. Are you referring to me or Steve? I assume it's one of us given our message volume over the past couple of days. Name names! Quit being so passive-aggressive, poor

Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Hi, That would be Steve Coast as the Troll of the day. CommonMap is the ccBY alternative (were also on the osm-fork mailing list) and doing just fine, thanks :) Now back to work on SchemaTroll 2.011 cheers, Sam On 7/8/11, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Andrew Laughton

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Diego Molla-Aliod
I was quietly reading this list until I saw my name, so here's my reply about what I plan to do. I only map from my traces and therefore the change of license doesn't affect me (does it?) so my plan is to keep mapping OSM. I'll keep checking fosm.orgevery now and then but so far I can't reach it.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I mean throw away the efforts of all the licensing work we've done because one guy doesn't like technical detail X or has moral objection Y. That is, that we have spent many man years on this and there is no way to make

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
On 7/8/2011 5:04 AM, Sam Couter wrote: SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote: No, John smith and friends are a separate issue, they troll many different discussions. Who are and friends? I only watch talk-au so if there's trolling going on elsewhere I haven't seen it. What I have seen is you

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
On 7/8/2011 4:28 AM, Sam Couter wrote: Also, your frame of reference is with OSM up and running and having these kinds of relationships. When I started OSM we had no data at all and nobody wanted to give us data under any license, let alone cc. So those of us who climbed the mountain to get

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
Anthony The reason we have a hostile relationship is because of all your spamming and trolling. You were kicked from the legal list, the only person I'm aware of to have managed that. I suspect the real reason you want a nice relationship is funding and other benefits we've worked hard for,

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Anthony The reason we have a hostile relationship is because of all your spamming and trolling. I'm not FOSM, so that's rather irrelevant, even if it were true. I also thought that relationship had been mended, as the

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Anthony
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: At this point really the positive gestures need to come from you, for example helping us switch so we can all (including FOSM) move on. If the only way you are

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been banned or moderated. big snip of trash I've known them for a lot longer than

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Steve Coast
On 7/8/2011 2:01 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700 Steve Coastst...@asklater.com wrote: If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been banned or moderated. big snip of

Re: [talk-au] What A Day

2011-07-08 Per discussione Andrew Harvey
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at the moment I am just getting a 500 Internal Server Error message. Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but I've never seen

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione David Murn
You may have messages filtered, but I indeed have noticed a lot of missing messages, and often messages that are missing but arrive a few hours late, after Ive already seen the responses to them. I have no blocks or filters, that would be stupid since I am actually interested in following all

Re: [talk-au] ATTN Steve Coast st...@asklater.com RE Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 00:51 -0700, All Blokes wrote: I would not in any way presume to speak for any other Australians other than myself, but I object most strenuously to the implication that I have in some way been perverted by 80n or any other person at all. FWIW, Id like to point out that

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Well the eternal right thing applies to CC and most other licenses, so I There's a difference between an irrevocable licence and an irrevocable, all-encompassing rights grant. CC and most other open licences are the former, OSM's CTs require the latter.

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Sam Couter
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes because most of the community I'm familiar with, which is all of the EU and the US, consider government data a nice starting point but mappers on the ground as generally much better. Is the perception in Australia

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Neal Schulz
Hello, Firstly let me say that I have no alliances with either side of the debate. I have been trying to sit on the fence throughout the entire process. Until the recent Nearmap announcement I was unable to legally accept the change; Now I can. I agree with those who state that the license

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione Matt White
snip A whole lot of angst /snip I don't often email the list, but I've been kicking around OSM for maybe four years, and done a bit of mapping here and there, as well as generating the odd Garmin map for people to use. This email is a bit rambly, so I apologise in advance. To be honest, I'm

Re: [Talk-br] OpenStreetMap no Android

2011-07-08 Per discussione Diogo W
Somente do Rio de Janeiro não existe, mas você pode baixar do Brasil inteiro mesmo. O arquivo tem ~30MB, e a sua performance é muito boa. Baixa só o PBF e coloca no cartão de memória - não conheço bem o OsmAnd, então dá uma olhada onde tem que copiar. Alguém mais sabe se existe alguma aplicação

Re: [Talk-br] OpenStreetMap no Android

2011-07-08 Per discussione Vitor George
Pra Iphone tem o OpenMaps, que dá pra usar offline. Em 08/07/2011, às 08:33, Diogo W dio...@diogow.com escreveu: Somente do Rio de Janeiro não existe, mas você pode baixar do Brasil inteiro mesmo. O arquivo tem ~30MB, e a sua performance é muito boa. Baixa só o PBF e coloca no cartão de memória

Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 34, assunto 6

2011-07-08 Per discussione Fabrício Souza
Minha inscrição estava como digest, e os emails ficam meio confusos. Mas sobre baixar os mapas por cidades tem essa opção aqui: ftp://ftp.pucpr.br/osm/ Abraços Fabrício S. Souza +55 41 9686-4187 http://fabriciosouza.com 2011/7/7 talk-br-requ...@openstreetmap.org Enviar submissões para

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Daten im 50km Radius ermitteln

2011-07-08 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am 08.07.2011 07:25, schrieb Michael Buchberger: Nachtrag zur API: Über http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.6/*[bbox=7.2399902,48.7507563,8.8604736,49.6302830]funktioniert es tatsächlich. Aber es braucht seine Zeit (2h) und die Datei ist auch ziemlich groß (~760MB). Damit ist

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-08 Per discussione Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 07/07/2011 05:26 PM, Manuel Reimer wrote: Es ist ein unwahrscheinlicher Krampf verbundene Flächen wieder zu trennen. ACK In der Vergangenheit habe ich da lieber die verbundenen Flächen gelöscht und neu gezeichnet. Einmal verbunden und man hat ab dem Zeitpunkt eine Wahnsinns Freude wenn

Re: [Talk-de] OSM Daten im 50km Radius ermitteln

2011-07-08 Per discussione Michael Buchberger
Hallo zusammen, pbftoosm kann direkt Polygone ausschneiden. Das Laden der 6GB von europe.osm.pbf war gemächlich (~1.5h), das Ausschneiden per pbftoosm war in wenigen Minuten erledigt. Die neue Karte ist auch schon auf meinem Garmin :-) Tschuess Michael

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-08 Per discussione Manuel Reimer
Hartmut Holzgraefe hartmut at php.net writes: On 07/07/2011 05:26 PM, Manuel Reimer wrote: Es ist ein unwahrscheinlicher Krampf verbundene Flächen wieder zu trennen. ACK [...] klingt irgendwie nach einem Job für ein Plugin ... (oh, verd hab ich mich jetzt freiwillig gemeldet?)

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-08 Per discussione Garry
Am 07.07.2011 12:56, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Florian Lohofffat zz.de writes: Ist mir auch so gegangen - Mal eine 10 Einwohnerstadt mit einem landuser=residential gemapped. Im nachhinein keine gute Idee :) Vermutlich deshalb unschön, weil du jetzt alles darin in ein Multipolygon packen

Re: [Talk-de] Redundanz?

2011-07-08 Per discussione Tobias Knerr
Am 08.07.2011 09:26, schrieb Hartmut Holzgraefe: In der Vergangenheit habe ich da lieber die verbundenen Flächen gelöscht und neu gezeichnet. Einmal verbunden und man hat ab dem Zeitpunkt eine Wahnsinns Freude wenn doch noch was dazwischen muss. Bevor ich da was reinfummle lasse ich dann

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