Re: [talk-ph] Easy way to generate map with waypoint

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jim Morgan
Openlayers? http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/ The GeoRSS Marker example maybe? Jim Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote, On Thursday, 24 June, 2010 08:53 AM: Is there an easy way to link to OSM.org with a waypoint on it? I know you can do the MLat + MLon in the query string for 1 marker,

[talk-ph] For Maning: OSM Garmin map size from 18Mb last Friday to 11Mb last night?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Bart Bartolome
Hi Guys. This may be off-topic but maybe not. @Maning - Just wanted to check if the file size is right? I have Fridays OSMPH Garmin map and I haven't updated for a few days, but when I checked today the size seems off. Last friday the map was at 18Mb+, today it's at 11Mb? Bart

Re: [talk-ph] For Maning: OSM Garmin map size from 18Mb l ast Friday to 11Mb last night?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Bart Bartolome
maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@... writes: compressed, it should be ~11 MB uncompressed, it should be ~18 MB can you double-check? Yep, that just confirms it. I'm a moron. I'll just chalk it up as a symptom of nicotine withdrawal... ;)

Re: [talk-ph] For Maning: OSM Garmin map size from 18Mb last Friday to 11Mb last night?

2010-06-24 Per discussione maning sambale
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Bart Bartolome linuxbast...@paglalakbay.com wrote: I'll just chalk it up as a symptom of nicotine withdrawal... ;) Good for you! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden

Re: [talk-ph] skillshare

2010-06-24 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi guys, The final venue for the Skillshare meetup is at Coffee Bean Tea Leaf at 1800 Eastwood Avenue. This branch is the one facing the Eastwood Mall park, and not the one at City Walk 2. Here's the map: http://osm.org/go/4zhSl61HJ--?m See you guys tomorrow! I'll probably be there much, much

[talk-ph] Waze: Real-time maps and traffic information based on the wisdom of the crowd

2010-06-24 Per discussione Carlos Tirona
Just wanted to share this with the group. Another tool for mapping. Waze is a social mobile application providing free turn-by-turn navigation based on the live conditions of the road. 100% powered by users, the more you drive, the better it gets. Join the community of drivers in your area

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Imde-Impde?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andre Engels
2010/6/25 filip wolters filip_wolt...@hotmail.com: Weet iemand de juiste spelling van een deelgemeente van Meise? Ik vind zowel Imde als Impde terug in het WWW en op de kaarten. Op

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were transfered to Russian Federation. Neither USSR, nor Russian Federation ever transferred those maps to public domain or in any other way allowed free use

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Eugene Iline
Have you really officially purchased them from Russian government, its military divisions or perhaps from Roskartografiya? 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: No, they are not out

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ Here the same data is available from a usaid sponsored project : http://www.bunkertrails.org/maps.php On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Eugene Iline evge...@ily.in wrote: Have you really officially purchased them from Russian government,

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I would like to say this, those maps are not very detailed, and really, have been used for very rough corrections, and adding in some streams or placing cities. mike On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:42 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: We purchased them from

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Kirill Bestoujev
Did they show you any documents confirming that that do really have ANY rights to sell those maps? I\m sure they did not... K. 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ Here the same data is available from

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Kirill Bestoujev
Purchasing stolen maps does not make them public domain... 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com wrote: No, they are not out of copyright. All the rights of USSR were transfered to

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Kirill Bestoujev
It makes no difference how you used them!!! They are not good for osm! K. 2010/6/24 jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: I would like to say this, those maps are not very detailed, and really, have been used for very rough corrections, and adding in some streams or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Oliver (skobbler)
He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM data by using the OSM tools.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing tools. An option would be to create a blank database on top of the OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) osm.oliver.ku...@gmx.de wrote: Hello everybody, I am still concerned that some business users cannot make use of OpenStreetMap data because of the Share-Alike-rule as they don't want or cannot share proprietary data. Umm, if you want it so

[OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio
Hello, thanks. Solved. I think the problem was that I was downloading the file to a remote disk (R: mapped to \\lanserver\data) Another question: after exporting the whole planet (recently) to Postgres, what is the size of the largest table created (which I presume will take up 80% of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 09:34 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Oliver (skobbler) Really, if people (businesses, charities, individuals or whoever) have data they wish to keep private, they can still use OSM data internally. If they want to Publicly Convey this Database, any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan gravityst...@... writes: No. That would be avoiding the whole point of the share-alike license. If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. It's called share-alike!

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Andy Allan writes: If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. [...] You are obviously reading section 4.5 in a different way that I do. [...] For me

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 06/24/2010 10:07 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: For me it looks like business users can feel safe with their data if they do not make derivative databases, for example by enhancing their own data by taking tags from OSM database. If enhancing means incorporating the data into a single

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes: Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Andy Allan writes: If they have geographic data that we don't have, and they mix it with OSM data, then the whole point is that we end up with access to their geographic data. [...] You are obviously reading section 4.5

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Oliver (skobbler)
What we're currently seeing is import mania, poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM because that's the easiest way for them to use it in conjunction with OSM data. There is too much geodata in the world for this to be sustainable - OSM must stick to things that mappers

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Alexandr Zeinalov
We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ AFAIK this is not legal seller of maps, and poehali.org too. They both hosted outside Russia. So this maps can't be reliable identified as public domain maps. Here the same data is available from a usaid sponsored project :

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Users must just take care that they do not edit cable lines according to what they see on the OSM map, otherwise all of the cable network data will be considered to be derived from OSM data and thus fall under odbl. Very very broadly yes, but actually at that point

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I think you should take this to the legal list. As far as I know, the copyright laws of england count for osm, not those of russia. mike 2010/6/24 Alexandr Zeinalov shu...@sbin.ru We purchased them from this site : http://mapstor.com/ AFAIK this is not legal seller of maps, and

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Mann
Well that got more of a reaction than floating a discussion on the tagging list, didn't it? The tagging list was set up so that the main list wouldn't be bothered with such stuff. There was no debate on the wiki, except a brief comment that presumably resulted in the tag-to-higher approach (from

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Kirill Bestoujev
So you want to say that you do not care for those osm-users, which are in Russia and which may have problems using osm with copyright data in it? Did I get you right? K. 24 июня 2010 г. 13:56 пользователь jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написал: I think you should

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
I am not saying that. I am saying that this is a topic for lawyers. from what I learned about the discussion on wikipedia datapoints, it is uk law that governs osm data. mike 2010/6/24 Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com So you want to say that you do not care for those osm-users, which are

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Eugene Iline
Well then assuming this we can even say that anyone not being physically in UK can use any copyrighted source (Google sat.) for instance to contribute to OSM, right? 24 июня 2010 г. 14:22 пользователь jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com написал: I am not saying that.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Emilie Laffray
On 24 June 2010 09:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Oliver (skobbler) wrote: He shouldn't draw then into the database, as this mixes OSM data and his own data. Why not just use a layer on top of the OSM data? One of the big advantages of OSM is that you the drawing

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Alexandr Zeinalov
But you should know that there are some copyright international agreements between many countries. Russian laws can't be used in England, and russian military secrets can't be protected by English laws. But it doesn't concern with copyright laws. Roscartographia is a copyright holder for soviet

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Share-A-Like (non-) Verifiability because they are not publicly accessable

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jukka Rahkonen
Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: I think that OSM as a whole - and this is not a legal issue - needs to improve interoperability. What we're currently seeing is import mania, poeple trying to stuff every possible bit of information into OSM because that's the easiest way for them to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: Well that got more of a reaction than floating a discussion on the tagging list, didn't it? The tagging list was set up so that the main list wouldn't be bothered with such stuff. The tagging list was

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Mann
I believe this junction is tagged as per the wiki (which Andy kindly reverted to it's previous state). http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.73915lon=-1.10389zoom=15layers=B000FTF Here's the same junction as per the cycle map layer:

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: the root of the discussion seems to have no basis in the tags, and seems entirely to be around rendering artefacts that you dislike. What purpose do the _link tags serve other than rendering? If there's a serious

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione John F. Eldredge
When people in one country use servers in another country, the laws affecting those users may not be the same as those affecting the servers themselves. For example, some works are public-domain in Australia, but still in copyright in the USA. So, it is legal for those works to be on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Kirill Bestoujev
This is only possible if those countries are nt members of international copyright treaties. Russia (and USSR) and UK - are members of those treaties. So same laws apply. And by the way I am 100% sure that in UK stolen and later sold copyright materials are not treated us public domain. K.

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote: And by the way I am 100% sure that in UK stolen and later sold copyright materials are not treated us public domain. Can I see some documentation on this theft? Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: the root of the discussion seems to have no basis in the tags, and seems entirely to be around rendering artefacts that you

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione John Smith
On 24 June 2010 23:00, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Can I see some documentation on this theft? Why dont you start with some dcma takedown notices for the people selling them, and see what happens? You do realise DCMA is only for sites hosted in the US

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: What purpose do the _link tags serve other than rendering? They can be used by routers to give more accurate descriptions...

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione Phil! Gold
* Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com [2010-06-24 01:34 -0700]: Another question: after exporting the whole planet (recently) to Postgres, what is the size of the largest table created (which I presume will take up 80% of the whole DB)? I can't speak for the whole planet.osm

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Lester Caine
Andy Allan wrote: They can be used by routers to give more accurate descriptions - e.g. since we don't (yet) indicate junction priorities, it can be helpful if you are on a *_link and going onto a * to announce it as join the main carriageway. If it was e.g. just highway=trunk for both, the

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione David Paleino
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:09:11 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: [..] But tag-for-lower is better. And I still haven't read why you think this is better, apart from rendering issues. As Andy said, the burden of demonstrating the goodness of a change is up to who wants to make that change. -- . ''`.

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, thanks. Solved. I think the problem was that I was downloading the file to a remote disk (R: mapped to \\lanserver\data) Another question: after exporting the whole planet (recently) to

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andy Allan
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com wrote: What purpose do the _link tags serve

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione John Smith
On 25 June 2010 00:22, David Paleino da...@debian.org wrote: And I still haven't read why you think this is better, apart from rendering issues. As Andy said, the burden of demonstrating the goodness of a change is up to who wants to make that change. I've been following this thread and

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione John Smith
On 25 June 2010 00:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: overall disk use ~ 130 GB and growing about 2.5 GB/week at the moment. Is there a way to reduce this overhead without re-importing? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: You need to explain, without referring to renderering *at any point in the discussion* why your solution is both conceptually better than what we have, and why your solution is worth all the hassle and confusion that

[OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Hillsman, Edward
Has the update frequency changed for OpenCycleMap? Some bike lanes added in late May and early June still haven't appeared yet. Ed Hillsman Senior Research Associate Center for Urban Transportation Research University of South Florida 4202 Fowler Ave., CUT100 Tampa, FL 33620-5375 813-974-2977

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

2010-06-24 Per discussione Apollinaris Schoell
there is no mention of PD for these maps at mapstore.com. they are not even free of copyright from poehali.net free download doesn't mean PD Can I use the maps in my own project? You have the right to use maps for the purpose of familiarization for personal use. To use the maps or other

Re: [OSM-talk] Good book on GIS concepts

2010-06-24 Per discussione Maurizio Napolitano
i think this can be a good start point http://linfiniti.com/dla/ videopdf to introduce the GIS with qgis ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: views or oppose them, but certainly the main point of this discussion is that should we want to change it you can't just change the wiki and declare it done! I completely agree to this and think it also applies to many other wiki edits. Sadly, as

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Gregory Williams
Updates that I've made in the past week are now showing on zooms = 12. It's not quite there for zooms 12, but I suspect that that's simply because the tiles haven't managed to upload to Andy's web host yet from the machine where he carries out the main rendering. I do remember seeing Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] Good book on GIS concepts

2010-06-24 Per discussione Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 23/06/2010 16:33, sko...@free.fr escribió: Would anyone recommend a good book on GIS/Geodesy/etc that could be used to understand the underlying concepts behind most GIS applications ? Try: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Library http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Libros_de_SIG Best, -- Iván Sánchez

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Shaun McDonald
Hi Gregory, Your a little out of date of the way that the cycle map is run. It uses the live mapnk rendering, with no upload required. However it is still a weekly update, and can take a week to fully update assuming that the disk doesn't fill up first. Shaun On 24 Jun 2010, at 16:40,

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Toby Murray
Yeah I emailed Andy when I first started contributing to OSM because changes weren't showing up and some zoom levels in my area returned nothing but error tiles. He said the server was totally overloaded but that he was working on an upgrade. Since then updates have been hit and miss and the zoom

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Gregory Williams
Ooops. Thanks for correcting my Shaun. Unfortunately I've not had quite so much time to keep up-to-date on OSM happenings of late. From: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] Sent: 24 June 2010 16:55 To: Gregory Williams Cc: 'Hillsman, Edward'; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jonathan Bennett
On 24/06/2010 16:57, Toby Murray wrote: Two days ago he tweeted that the new server was nearly ready so hopefully things will improve soon! And don't forget, if you think OpenCycleMap.org is great, you could always call in at the shop on the way out: http://shop.opencyclemap.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Apollinaris Schoell
On 24 Jun 2010, at 5:24 , Richard Mann wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: the root of the discussion seems to have no basis in the tags, and seems entirely to be around rendering artefacts that you dislike. What purpose do the _link tags

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio
From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet) To: talk@openstreetmap.org Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 4:28 PM On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Juan Lucas Domínguez Rubio juan_lucas...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andy Allan
Yeah. Also, as Toby says, it's pretty much totally overloaded, and has been for the last few months. What's happened recently was that the updates broke for a few weeks, and were restarted last Wednesday. The disk cache then filled up completely on Friday, so there was only a small window for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Ed Avis
Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags for the two roads it connects. In principle there is no need to duplicate the information. In practice a renderer such as Mapnik may not allow you to write such

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Lester Caine
Ed Avis wrote: Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags for the two roads it connects. In principle there is no need to duplicate the information. But how do you know that a way IS a slip from one

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione John Smith
On 25 June 2010 02:59, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: download a section of map. As well as taking care of the different kinds of link road, these could also provide 'is_in', 'leading_to' and 'dead_end' for dead_end can't be guessed at, it could be bad mapping, is_in is redundant, you can

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags for the two roads it connects. In principle there is no need to

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Lester Caine
Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Isn't this tagging redundant? If a link road leads from a primary to a secondary, or whatever, this can be seen by looking at the tags

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione john whelan
An alternative is to use Maperitive and render on the local PC. Its just a matter of using the right rules for rendering but you do need an .OSM file from the web unless you have a local copy. Cheerio John On 24 June 2010 12:53, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. Also, as Toby

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:39 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 June 2010 00:28, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: overall disk use ~ 130 GB and growing about 2.5 GB/week at the moment. Is there a way to reduce this overhead without re-importing? I'm not sure I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Postgres table sizes (was: Failed to download 9.5 GB planet)

2010-06-24 Per discussione John Smith
On 25 June 2010 04:37, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: I'm not sure I understand your question. Over time, the overhead increases, not just the amount of data. You can import a bounding box or extract and have smaller tables. You can import without --slim, if you have the hardware for

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Anthony
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Anthony wrote: You could always have highway=link. But some links ARE motorway rules and some ARE trunk road so just saying link does not work. I guess, but now you're using a different definition of *_link. Not

Re: [OSM-talk] cycle map not updating?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Liz
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Andy Allan wrote: It starts coming down to questions of time and money, and I only have a limited supply of both :-) Usually one has either time OR money, and never both at once ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: You could always have highway=link. But some links ARE motorway rules and some ARE trunk road so just saying link does not work. highway=* link=yes ? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-06-24 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/6/24 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: highway=* link=yes actually I like this, but it's not the first time it is proposed here, and I think you can hardly change tags used as often and for so long time as this. It would probably end up in a similar mess than path and footway. cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] straatnamen per gemeente?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Christ van Willegen
2010/6/23 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: On Wednesday 23 June 2010 21:11:44 Christ van Willegen wrote: Maar, ik loop net wat wegen te editten in JOSM, krijg ik een melding: Communication with the OSM server 'http://openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/' timed out, Please retry later. Toch sund...

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] straatnamen per gemeente?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Roeland Douma
On Thursday 24 June 2010 04:02:16 Andre Engels wrote: 2010/6/23 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Er was even geen ruimte op de partitie meer. Het scriptje draait nogmaals en over ongeveer 15 minuten zou alles erop moeten staan. Bedankt; ik ben gestart met het vergelijken van de lijst van

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] straatnamen per gemeente?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Roeland Douma
On Thursday 24 June 2010 10:22:57 Christ van Willegen wrote: Ik heb al een (heel) aantal keren geprobeerd om te uploaden. Heb ook al een paar keer gekregen 'Change set already closed' (dus JOSM sluiten en opnieuw editten), maar nog steeds die time-out. Overigens binnen een paar seconden.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] straatnamen per gemeente?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Andre Engels
2010/6/24 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Zou kunnen dat er in die lijst geen pleinen staan. Ik zou area=yes eruit kunnen filteren. Maar weet niet of dat in alle gevallen gewenst is. Er zijn namelijk ook vaak situaties te bedenken waar een plein ook huizen eraan vast heeft welke dus als

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] straatnamen per gemeente?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Christ van Willegen
2010/6/24 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: On Thursday 24 June 2010 10:22:57 Christ van Willegen wrote: Ik heb al een (heel) aantal keren geprobeerd om te uploaden. Heb ook al een paar keer gekregen 'Change set already closed' (dus JOSM sluiten en opnieuw editten), maar nog steeds die

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Mapas das cidades devastadas em PDF

2010-06-24 Per discussione Arlindo Pereira
Maneiríssimo. Dá para exportar para a imagem e traçar sobre no JOSM, né? O problema é ter alguma referência... tem alguma trilha GPX dessa região? []s Em 23 de junho de 2010 18:13, Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.comescreveu: -- Forwarded message -- From: Thiago Avila

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Imagens HRC

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Hi, The CBERS images on my wms server have now been georeferenced, using precious GPS tracks when available, or Landsat otherwise (as suggested by INPE). If you have used an un-georeferenced image yesterday for mapping without adjusting with another source (as for Branquinha streets, or a

[Talk-br] Fwd: Press Release: SOS Alagoas – Site Mapeará Áreas e Construções Afet adas pelas Enchentes

2010-06-24 Per discussione Vitor George
Pessoal, Sabado vai rolar o esforço de mapeamento remoto de Alagoas. Em São Paulo vamos estar na Casa de Cultura Digital. Levem seus computadores! Vou fazer um webstreaming também. Temos que baixar e alinhar as imagens das áreas mais afetadas, para que as pessoas possam ajudar. Vejam o release

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Press Release: SOS Alagoas – Site Mapeará Áreas e Construções Afet adas pelas Enchentes

2010-06-24 Per discussione Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
Beleza, Vou tentar chegar antes do meio-dia pra ajudar 2010/6/24 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com Pessoal, Sabado vai rolar o esforço de mapeamento remoto de Alagoas. Em São Paulo vamos estar na Casa de Cultura Digital. Levem seus computadores! Vou fazer um webstreaming também. Temos

Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Press Release: SOS Alagoas – Site Mapeará Áreas e Construções Afet adas pelas Enchentes

2010-06-24 Per discussione geoinfor
Caros Noticia divulgada no Geoinformação Online e também via twitter . Boa sorte e parabéns pela inciativa. Luiz Amadeu Coutinho Geógrafo http://geoinformacaonline.com - Original Message - From: Vitor George To: OSM talk-br Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:15 PM Subject:

[Talk-de] OpenStreetMap bei Veranstaltung in Lü beck

2010-06-24 Per discussione Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! ich wollte die Norddeutschen nur kurz darüber informieren das die örtl. Kirche OSM für eine größere Veranstaltung nutzt - als Referenz. In der örtlichen Presse war schon eine Karte zusehen und im Web gibt es [1]. Vielleicht ein Anfang der gemacht ist. gruß Jan :-) [1]

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione Georg Feddern
Moin moin, Florian Lohoff schrieb: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 03:55:07PM +0200, Georg Feddern wrote: Bei mir ist Track alles was ich zeit meines Lebens als Fahrweg (Feldweg,Waldweg, Wirtschaftsweg) kenne. Warum wollt ihr mit aller Macht eine Zugangsbeschränkung in eine Straßen/Wege-Klasse

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione Chris66
Am 24.06.2010 03:17, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Die Bezeichnung Track Seuche ist unpassend. Na gut. In vielen Gegenden findet man lokale Vorlieben. Manchmal ist jedes Dorf mindestens mit einer Tertiary-Road versehen (in den Niederlanden sogar fast jeder Weg außerorts). war mir auch

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione Georg Feddern
Moin moin, Stephan Wolff schrieb: Moin, moin! Am 23.06.2010 10:03, schrieb Chris66: Meiner Meinung nach sollte jede legal per Auto ansteuerbare Adresse über das Highway-Netz exclusive Tracks erreichbar sein. Der Trend geht aber eher in die Richtung, alles was halbwegs nach

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione David Ecker
Hi, dann stelle ich mir aber prinzipiell die Frage, welchen Weg der Notarzt nehmen wuerde? Bei einem Track kann auch mal eine Schranke oder ein Forstfahrzeug im Weg sein. Auf dem Hauptzufahrtsweg zu einem bewohnbaren Grunstueck muessen Feuerwehr und Notarzt immer durchkommen koennen. Und da kommt

[Talk-de] Daten vom Katatsteramt: dxf oder shape?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Tirkon
Moin, da wir Orts- und Stadtteilgrenzen nicht selbst mappen können, habe ich beim Katasteramt nachgefragt, ob ich diese dort erhalten könnte. Da mir bekannt war, dass die Nutzungsbedingungen der niedersächsischen Geobehörden Web-Mapping-Dienste grundsätzlich von der Nutzung ausschließen [1}, habe

Re: [Talk-de] Daten vom Katatsteramt: dxf oder shape?

2010-06-24 Per discussione jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Ja, siehe dxf2osm (twonickels branch of dime) http://www.mail-archive.com/d...@openstreetmap.org/msg10255.html mfg, mike 2010/6/24 Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de Moin, da wir Orts- und Stadtteilgrenzen nicht selbst mappen können, habe ich beim Katasteramt nachgefragt, ob ich diese dort erhalten

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione Walter Nordmann
hi, anlieger frei oder zufahrt zu haus penelope frei sagt doch, dass da jedermann fahren darf, der dort was zu erledigen hat. was soll da eine schranke/schleuse/sperre auf dem weg - eventuell auch noch abgeschlossen ? d.h technisch kann da jedermann durch. gruss walter - Der Student

Re: [Talk-de] Jogging-Rundstrecken

2010-06-24 Per discussione Thomas Ineichen
Hallo zusammen, Inzwischen ist die Karte auf den Toolserver umgezogen. Ausserdem sind es jetzt keine gerenderten Tiles mehr, sondern ein weltweiter Vektor- Overlay, der seine Daten minuten-aktuell aus der Datenbank zieht: http://toolserver.org/~ti/ftm/ Gruss, Thomas

[Talk-de] OWL: OpenStreetMap Watch List Down??

2010-06-24 Per discussione UMAX974
Hallo Liste, Weiß jemand zufällig was mit dem OWL viewer los ist? http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/ Mein RSS Feed wird seit zwei Tage nicht mehr aktualisiert und auf den Links der alten Aktualisierungen bekomme ich nur eine Fehlermeldung... Gruß UMAX974

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione Chris66
Am 24.06.2010 03:17, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Wenn ich eine Klassifizierung sehr unpassend finde, ändere ich sie einfach und schreibe den Grund z.B. als note=kein Durchgangsverkehr. Stichwort Durchgangsverkehr: Wie üblich gehen die Meinungen bei dem Thema auseinander, was heisst das für die

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione Tirkon
Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de wrote: Meiner Meinung nach sollte jede legal per Auto ansteuerbare Adresse über das Highway-Netz exclusive Tracks erreichbar sein. Der Trend geht aber eher in die Richtung, alles was halbwegs nach Landwirtschaft riecht als Track zu mappen. Der von Nord-Ost kommende

Re: [Talk-de] Die Track Seuche

2010-06-24 Per discussione David Ecker
Hi, mal abgesehen, dass bei uns in der Gegend der Zugangsweg zu den Forsthaeusern auch ueber eine Schranke verfuegt, duerfen auf den Forstwegen die Forstfahrzeuge einfach stehenbleiben, was auf dem Zugangsweg nicht erlaubt ist. Dort muessen sie den Rettungsweg freihalten. Ich gebe dir aber

[Talk-de] AIO/europe vom 23 Juni?

2010-06-24 Per discussione Joerg Fischer
Hallo Welt, in Vorbereitung auf den Sommerurlaub hab ich letzte Nacht die AIO für Europa mal wieder updaten wollen, aber mein Edge 705 mit Firmware 3.10 erkennt sie nicht. Im Kartenmenü taucht nix auf, die im Garmin fest eingebaute Basiskarte ist das Einzige was noch funktioniert. Die

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