[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Osmose-QA - Mapillary traffic signs matching

[Marc Gemis]

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From: Frédéric Rodrigo 
Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:19 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Osmose-QA - Mapillary traffic signs matching
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 


Hello,

In Osmose-QA we experiment to point missing tags in OSM linked to
traffic signs. Thank to Mapillary help and their detect traffic signs
from photos.

After a confidential test this summer in France, we now do it in a
part of Frankfurt and Brussels.

The Goal is to map some traffics signs detected by Mapillary to OSM tags.

Then use the process we already have in Osmose-QA for OpenData
integration suggestion with this data.

To avoid to much false positives we filter the data detect by Mapillary to:
- Detections from the last 2 years only
- Detections in 3 images or more
- Only detection with higher score

The process is not applicable to all traffic signs, we only report this:

- regulatory--maximum-speed-limit-*--g1
- regulatory--height-limit--g1
- regulatory--weight-limit--g1
- regulatory--yield--g1
- regulatory--stop--g1
- warning--roundabout--g1
- warning--road-bump--g1
- warning--traffic-signals--g1
- information--bus-stop--g1


Frankfurt
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=8300=15=50.09953=8.66557=1,2,3
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?item=8300=germany_hessen
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/graph.png?item=8300=germany_hessen

Brussels
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=8300=14=50.83247=4.3611=1%2C2%2C3
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?item=8300=belgium_brussels_capital_region
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/graph.png?item=8300=belgium_brussels_capital_region


The traffic signs tag mapping:
https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/merge_data/mapillary-traffic-signs.mapping.csv

The Osmose-QA code:
https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/analysers/analyser_merge_traffic_signs.py


I'm highly open to comment and contribution.

Regards.



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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 157, Issue 41

[PanierAvide]

Thanks for making this clear. I opened an issue on the repository, and 
will change the name soon accordingly. I hope that, when trademark 
policy will be stable, we will have a comprehensive, non-lawyer, 
developer-friendly documentation about possible uses. Nice-to-have 
feature: a website where you put the name you want to use, and it says 
if it's OK or not ;-)


Regards,

Adrien.

Le 22/09/2017 à 00:41, Kathleen Lu a écrit :
With nominative fair use, you don't need to ask permission, which is 
easier for everyone. An example of nominative fair use would be 
calling the tool "What?, a guide tool for OSM" (fairly describing the 
software's relationship to OSM)


And example of a disclaimer would be a simple statement in the website 
or readme along the lines of "This tool is not an official OSMF 
product, and it is neither endorsed nor sponsored by OSMF."


-Kathleen



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Re: [Talk-us] I-69 east west vs north south

[Bill Ricker]

He seems to be correct, using the (not usable for mapping but usable
to inform discussion) G-Streetview, I do indeed see signage as
described, which defies commonly understood version of Fed standards.
Not just BUSINESS route, not just when cotracking i-94, but actual
green, solo "WEST 69 MILE 198" with red white and blue shield.

Do we know if whether there is a Fed exemption, the Feds actually
acknowledge that I-69 actually E-W beyond a certain point, and so can
be E-W here?  Or if  the State of Michigan is defying Federal
standards in the interest of being understandable? After the Feds
threatened to pull our block grant $$ if we didn't renumber our exits
their way, I'm amazed they're letting this slide when they could just
rename the E-W section I-369 E-W  and it'd be a compliant extension of
a N-S route. Perhaps the bureaucracy can be reasonable. [I spent a few
years with DOT, not in Highway. Nice folks really.]

(Probably not the only exception. There are 1xx/2xx/3xx/4xx that don't
fit the spur/loop rule too.)


(Frankly, I'm surprised any of 69's escutcheon route markers remain
unstolen, like the 420 mile markers that keep wandering off.)

So back to original question(s) --
- who should fix the E-W section of I-69 to be E-W
- how - split relation? relation of relation?
- from where ?  At what point does signage change to E-W ?
   [and for mapping purposes no I'm NOT going to suggest we get that
from a copyright source like StreeView, that needs free & open ground
truth. ]

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Re: [Talk-us] I-69 east west vs north south

[Dave Mansfield]

Tod,

 

This section of I-69 is an exception to the odd numbers being north and south. 
The official highway direction of the section of I-69 I’m talking about is east 
and west. All signs for it are also east and west.

 

I understand what you are saying about the official direction is not always the 
same as the actual direction. There is a place on I-75 near me where northbound 
is going southwest for a short distance and southbound is going northeast but 
that is not the case with I-69

 

Dave

 

From: Tod Fitch [mailto:t...@fitchdesign.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:49 PM
To: Dave Mansfield 
Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] I-69 east west vs north south

 

I don’t have direct knowledge of I-69 but the numbering on the Interstate 
system has odd numbers for north-south routes, so having all of I-69 in north 
and south relations seems correct to me.

 

I have seen area where due to topography long stretches of north-south road 
actually go east-west. I’ve also seem areas were US numbered highways end up 
with an opposite compass bearing (i.e. the north bound direction on the highway 
is actually going south). Just because a section of the route is going in a 
different direction than the overall route is not a reason to separate it out 
of the route relation. That is, the route relation should match the official 
highway direction.

 

Cheers,

Tod

 

 

On Sep 21, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Dave Mansfield  > wrote:

 

Hello,

 

I-69 in Michigan is east / west from where it splits from I-96 near Lansing  
 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/42.7761/-84.6325 to where it ends in Port 
Huron. It is part Relations that are north and south. 

 

I would like to fix it but I don’t have a lot of experience with relations so I 
thought I should ask first. Would it be correct to remove the section that is 
east and west from the north and south relations and create new relations for 
east and west?

 

Thank You 

Dave 

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Re: [Talk-us] I-69 east west vs north south

[Tod Fitch]

I don’t have direct knowledge of I-69 but the numbering on the Interstate 
system has odd numbers for north-south routes, so having all of I-69 in north 
and south relations seems correct to me.

I have seen area where due to topography long stretches of north-south road 
actually go east-west. I’ve also seem areas were US numbered highways end up 
with an opposite compass bearing (i.e. the north bound direction on the highway 
is actually going south). Just because a section of the route is going in a 
different direction than the overall route is not a reason to separate it out 
of the route relation. That is, the route relation should match the official 
highway direction.

Cheers,
Tod


> On Sep 21, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Dave Mansfield  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I-69 in Michigan is east / west from where it splits from I-96 near Lansing 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/42.7761/-84.6325 
>  to where it ends in 
> Port Huron. It is part Relations that are north and south. 
>  
> I would like to fix it but I don’t have a lot of experience with relations so 
> I thought I should ask first. Would it be correct to remove the section that 
> is east and west from the north and south relations and create new relations 
> for east and west?
>  
> Thank You 
> Dave 
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[Talk-us] I-69 east west vs north south

[Dave Mansfield]

Hello,

 

I-69 in Michigan is east / west from where it splits from I-96 near Lansing
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/42.7761/-84.6325 to where it ends in
Port Huron. It is part Relations that are north and south. 

 

I would like to fix it but I don't have a lot of experience with relations
so I thought I should ask first. Would it be correct to remove the section
that is east and west from the north and south relations and create new
relations for east and west?

 

Thank You 

Dave 

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Re: [Talk-it] Domanda da nuovo arrivato!

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Per esempio per il Veneto...
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/rSc

OT: sembra che ci siano due intrusi, caselli autostradali.

Il 21/set/2017 14:38, "Cascafico Giovanni"  ha scritto:

> Nella documentazione del già citato overpass trovi anche come ottenere
> l'output testo csv
>
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[Talk-it] Metro Roma

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Facendo una query [1] ho notato che un paio di railway=station romane non
hanno il tag "mandatory" station=subway come da wiki [2].

Sono abbastanza sicuro che "Spagna" e "Monti Tiburtini" non siano su
ferrovia di superficie, ma altri non saprei.

[1] http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/rSb
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Metros
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[Talk-dk] Fejlen er blevet indberettet fra Krak

[Michael Andersen]

Jeg har nu bemærket 2 tilfælde af fejlmeldinger med teksten "Fejlen er blevet 
indberettet fra Krak" (eks: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1148364).
Det overrasker mig at Krak nu tilsyneladende begynder at lave fejlmeldinger i 
OSM. Nogen der kender noget til dette?

Mvh Hjart

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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 157, Issue 41

[Kathleen Lu]

>
> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 20:55:40 +0200
> From: PanierAvide 
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> I was reading the famous policy. If I understand well, I cannot name
> without authorization the project WhatOSM (meaning that I can still ask
> for authorization ?). But if I name it "What ? OSM !" it is OK, because
> it doesn't mix OSM with the name, and it uses OSM word mark correctly ?
>

The policy is still in draft form, but it does say that it does not
interfere with nominative fair use:
3. When you may use the OSM marks without asking usIn many cases, you may
use the OSM marks without asking for permission from the OSMF. This section
lists those cases.
...

3.3. Refer to OSM projects (nominative/referential use)

You may use the non-stylized wordmarks (such as “OpenStreetMap”) to
factually name or refer to:

   - An OSM project or another aspect of the movement in a text (for
   example, “I love seeing my town on OpenStreetMap”).
   - A project derived from an OSM project in a way that is factual and not
   misleading (for example, “This company’s maps are based on OpenStreetMap”,
   as long as it is accurate that the maps are in fact based on OSM data).

This use of our marks is called “nominative” or “referential” use, and is
already allowed by law in some legal systems.

Specific examples of nominative/referential use include:
3.3.6. Use in software projects
Use of the OSM marks to name software components, packages, minor tools,
repositories and similar that process or work specifically with
OpenStreetMap data is permissible as long as the use follows the rest of
this policy. The permission does not include use of the OSM marks in a
confusing manner, such as to market software products in a way that implies
they are official OSMF products. To dispel possible confusion, please use
appropriate disclaimers.


With nominative fair use, you don't need to ask permission, which is easier
for everyone. An example of nominative fair use would be calling the tool
"What?, a guide tool for OSM" (fairly describing the software's
relationship to OSM)

And example of a disclaimer would be a simple statement in the website or
readme along the lines of "This tool is not an official OSMF product, and
it is neither endorsed nor sponsored by OSMF."

-Kathleen
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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetCam or Mapillary?

[Neil Matthews]

I've tried Mapillary -- not tried OpenStreetCam yet.

Comments mostly relate to the Mapillary Android app:

  * Mapillary App drove me nuts until I worked out how to take photos
individually when walking, rather than as a continuous sequence -
more car oriented?
  * Seems to be moderately "fussy" about getting a GPS lock.
  * Takes a long while to upload images over WiFi.
  * Images are removed after loading on WiFi - so can't keep a backup,
e.g. to upload to a second site.
  * Battery life may be impacted severely.
  * Mapillary has a JOSM plugin.

Personally, I think something like running OSM tracker (or a real GPS)
and/or using naive Android photo GPS tagging might be good.
Find a good scripting mechanism to upload - without using the App?
Upload to either Mapillary / OpenStreetCam / both?
Maybe a battery pack?

There's also a thought that you might even want to pick the least
well-used site -- so that it's easier to find "your own" pictures -- you
may find a lot of less relevant shots on popular roads from others
(motorists).
It may be worth seeing how easy it is to filter them by user or
time/date on each site.

Neil

On 21/09/2017 19:09, Brian Prangle wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm in discussions with Transport for West Midlands to use their
> inspection teams'  time on the street to assist us by taking photos
> with smartphones, which will also help them with their asset
> management and not have to rely on outdated data from Google StreetView.
>
> Which one of the above is better for us? Or just plain better?
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
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Wochennotiz Nr. 374 12.09.2017–18.09.2017

[Wochennotizteam]

Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 374 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der 
OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da:

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/09/wochennotiz-nr-374/

Viel Spaß beim Lesen!
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Wochennotiz Nr. 374 12.09.2017–18.09.2017

[Wochennotizteam]

Hallo,

die Wochennotiz Nr. 374 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der 
OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da:

http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2017/09/wochennotiz-nr-374/

Viel Spaß beim Lesen!
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[Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[Diego Alejandro Rojas Torrealba]

Con toda la información de las calles podríamos completar los nombres de todas 
las que faltan!  Estaría bueno que lo autorizasen pronto para colocarlas 
manualmente, digo yo...


Diego Rojas T.


P.D: Nunca he respondido una lista de correo así que estoy viendo qué resulta...
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Jan Macura]

Ahoj,

2017-09-21 23:34 GMT+02:00 Pavel Machek :

> Uplne nevim jak vypada 3D teren. Mozna je to spis obrazek nez
> databaze. Kazdopadne tohle je otazka pro pravniky...
>
> právě jsi to slyšel (četl..) – v tomhle případě je to forma TIN
. A pro
právníky to moc otázka není, možná pro soudní znalce, třeba..

H.
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Pavel Machek]

Ahoj!

> >2017-09-20 23:32 GMT+02:00 Petr Kadlec  >>:
> >
> >3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor
> >nezávislých děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo
> >metodicky uspořádaných a individuálně přístupných elektronickými
> >nebo jinými prostředky“), tedy to pochopitelně není ani odvozená
> >databáze.
> >
> >
> >tak s tímhle taky moc nesouhlasím. Způsobů reprezentace terénu je mnoho
> >a některé z nich bych databází určitě nenazval, některé ale klidně ano.
> 
> 
> Cus,
> 
> jenze viz vejs, nejde o zpusob ulozeni nebo prezentace (ten z pohledu AZ je
> naprosto nezajimavy) ale o to, zda ta data nekdo nejak unikatne zpracoval.
> 
> Takze zatimco data OSM urcite databazi z pohledu AZ jsou, protoze obsahuji
> spousty ruzne provazanych informaci z mnoha ruznych zdroju, tak scan povrchu
> planety sam o sobe databazi rozhodne neni, a je uplne jedno, jestli ho
> "technicky" jako databazi ulozis nebo prezentujes.
> 
> Kdybys ovsem vytvoril (trebas nejakym generatorem) krajinu umelou, tak to by
> databaze (z pohledu AZ) byt mohla.

No, myslim ze tady jde o umelou krajinu vytverenou z OSM dat...

Pavel
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Pavel Machek]

On Thu 2017-09-21 12:20:22, Petr Kadlec wrote:
> 2017-09-21 10:23 GMT+02:00 Pavel Machek :
> 
> > On Wed 2017-09-20 23:32:02, Petr Kadlec wrote:
> > > 3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor
> > nezávislých
> > > děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo metodicky uspořádaných a
> > > individuálně přístupných elektronickými nebo jinými prostředky“), tedy to
> > > pochopitelně není ani odvozená databáze. Řečí ODbL je to „Produced Work“.
> >
> > Takze podle Tebe 3D teren nepoziva autorskou ochranu, a muze se
> > kopirovat volne, bez ohledu na nejake licence?
> >
> 
> Moment, moment, nic takového jsem neřekl. Říkám, že ODbL obsahuje nějaká
> ustanovení týkající se databází a vygenerovaný 3D terén (asi) není
> databáze, tedy se tato konkrétní ustanovení na 3D terén neaplikují,
> aplikují se na něj jiná, která řeší ty Produced Works.

Uplne nevim jak vypada 3D teren. Mozna je to spis obrazek nez
databaze. Kazdopadne tohle je otazka pro pravniky...

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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetCam or Mapillary?

[Simon Poole]

Not commenting directly on the pros and cons, but through their
cooperation with Here using mapillary for this would make the material
directly available to a competitor too. Now you can consider this a good
thing or bad, but in any case it needs to be considered.

Slightly OT;

while I don't have any first hand knowledge specifically about the UK, 
but continental Europe has a largish number of companies that do that
kind of photographic asset management professionally (and which seem to
have an at least half working business model because they still exist).
The results of the surveys they do tend to not be open to the general
public for privacy reasons and so on, but getting our hands on that kind
of material would be great. Naturally these kind of things tend to be
"slightly" more expensive than using a smart phone camera.

Simon


Am 21.09.2017 um 20:09 schrieb Brian Prangle:
> Hi everyone
>
> I'm in discussions with Transport for West Midlands to use their
> inspection teams'  time on the street to assist us by taking photos
> with smartphones, which will also help them with their asset
> management and not have to rely on outdated data from Google StreetView.
>
> Which one of the above is better for us? Or just plain better?
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Jan Macura]

2017-09-21 21:51 GMT+02:00 Vladimír Semotán :

> Každý pravoúhlý trojúhelník se rozpadá na další dva menší pravoúhlé
> trojuhelníky..až na nejvyšší detail (trojúhelníky o straně jednotek km).
> Tento systém se jmenuje BDAM
> . Jednotlivé
> trojúhelníkové modely jsou hromada dalších trojúhelníků a textur, které
> tvoří budovy, stromy.atd.
>

Cool, s takovou podobou TINu jsem se ještě nesetkal. No, nevím jak by se na
to hledělo... :-)

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Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

¡Gracias! Parece que no vienen los nombres de calles en los SHP.

En todo caso de autorizarnos el INE se pueden hacer el trabajo a mano. Lo
importante es el permiso.



Julio Costa Zambelli
Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile

julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
Cel: +56(9)89981083

2017-09-21 17:39 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :

> Tal Parece que son archivos RAR con extension .zip; se deben
> descomprimir con RAR.
>
>
> danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ file R01.zip
> R01.zip: RAR archive data, v1d, os: Win32
> danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ unzip R01.zip
> Archive:  R01.zip
>   End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
>   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
>   latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
>   the last disk(s) of this archive.
> unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of R01.zip or
> R01.zip.zip, and cannot find R01.zip.ZIP, period.
> danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ mv R01.zip R01.rar
> danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ unrar x R01.rar
>
> UNRAR 5.30 beta 2 freeware  Copyright (c) 1993-2015 Alexander Roshal
>
>
> Extracting from R01.rar
>
> CreatingR01   OK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.CPGOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.dbfOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.prjOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.sbnOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.sbxOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.shpOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.shp.xmlOK
> Extracting  R01/Comuna.shxOK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.CPG   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.dbf   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.prj   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.sbn   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.sbx   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.shp   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.shp.xml   OK
> Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.shx   OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.CPG OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.dbf OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.prj OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.sbn OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.sbx OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.shp OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.shp.xml OK
> Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.shx OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.dbf  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.prj  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.sbn  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.sbx  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.shp  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.shp.xml  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.shx  OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.CPG OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.dbf OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.prj OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.sbn OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.sbx OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.shp OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.shp.xml OK
> Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.shx OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.CPG   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.dbf   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.prj   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.sbn   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.sbx   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.shp   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.shp.xml   OK
> Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.shx   OK
> Extracting  R01/LUC.CPG   OK
> Extracting  R01/LUC.dbf   OK
> Extracting  

Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[ignacio abé]

Qgis abre los archivos SHP, y está disponible en linux.

Saludos

I.A.

El 21 de septiembre de 2017, 18:01, Cristián Serpell
escribió:

> Gracias Danilo, tal cual lo pude extraer. Una pregunta: En linux qué
> programas usas para ver estos archivos de manera gráfica?
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Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[Cristián Serpell]

Gracias Danilo, tal cual lo pude extraer. Una pregunta: En linux qué
programas usas para ver estos archivos de manera gráfica?
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Re: [Talk-it] Domanda da nuovo arrivato!

[Andrea Albani]

Ciao,

se per stazioni intendi anche le c.d. fermate, ovvero quelle situate su
linee minori tipicamente senza presidio, allora devi ricercare anche il tag
railway=halt (vedi [0]).  Puoi usare la query che ti ha già indicato Cesare
Gerbino modificandola come segue:

[out:json][timeout:250];
// fetch area “Italia” to search in
{{geocodeArea:Italia}}->.searchArea;
// gather results
(
  node["railway"="station"](area.searchArea);
  node["railway"="halt"](area.searchArea);
);
// print results
out body;
>;
out skel qt;

Ciao

[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dhalt
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Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[Danilo Lacoste]

Tal Parece que son archivos RAR con extension .zip; se deben
descomprimir con RAR.


danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ file R01.zip
R01.zip: RAR archive data, v1d, os: Win32
danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ unzip R01.zip
Archive:  R01.zip
  End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
  a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
  latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
  the last disk(s) of this archive.
unzip:  cannot find zipfile directory in one of R01.zip or
R01.zip.zip, and cannot find R01.zip.ZIP, period.
danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ mv R01.zip R01.rar
danilo@danilo-desktop:~/Descargas$ unrar x R01.rar

UNRAR 5.30 beta 2 freeware  Copyright (c) 1993-2015 Alexander Roshal


Extracting from R01.rar

CreatingR01   OK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.CPGOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.dbfOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.prjOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.sbnOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.sbxOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.shpOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.shp.xmlOK
Extracting  R01/Comuna.shxOK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.CPG   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.dbf   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.prj   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.sbn   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.sbx   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.shp   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.shp.xml   OK
Extracting  R01/Distrito_Censal.shx   OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.CPG OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.dbf OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.prj OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.sbn OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.sbx OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.shp OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.shp.xml OK
Extracting  R01/Entidad_Rural.shx OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.dbf  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.prj  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.sbn  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.sbx  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.shp  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.shp.xml  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_Aldea.shx  OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.CPG OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.dbf OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.prj OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.sbn OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.sbx OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.shp OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.shp.xml OK
Extracting  R01/Limite_DPA_Censal.shx OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.CPG   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.dbf   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.prj   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.sbn   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.sbx   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.shp   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.shp.xml   OK
Extracting  R01/Localidad_Rural.shx   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.CPG   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.dbf   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.prj   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.sbn   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.sbx   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.shp   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.shp.xml   OK
Extracting  R01/LUC.shx   OK
Extracting  R01/Manzana_Precensal.dbf OK
Extracting  

Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[ignacio abé]

Los zip están con una compresión un tanto extraña. A mi (en osx) me
funcionó extraerlos con una utilidad que se llama *the unarchiver*. Al
parecer en linux se pueden abrir desde la terminal.

Al interior hay un montón de shapes, que todavía no he revisado.

Saludos

I.A.

El 21 de septiembre de 2017, 16:19, Julio Costa Zambelli escribió:

> Hola Marco,
>
> Según recuerdo el INE hace muchos años autorizó el uso de ciertos archivos
> PDF con cartografía que tenían en ese momento, pero creo que es razonable
> hablar con ellos nuevamente y en particular de este tema.
>
> No logro abrir los archivos ZIP de la columna "Descargar Cartografía", así
> es que no puedo opinar respecto de la utilidad o calidad de lo que hay ahí.
> Respecto de la columna "Ver mapa público", los nombres de calles son
> claramente algo muy interesante para completar lo que tenemos.
>
> Si quieres contactalos y nos cuentas que dicen.
>
> Saludos,
>
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli
> Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> Cel: +56(9)89981083
>
> 2017-09-18 2:33 GMT-03:00 Marco González Luengo :
>
>> Estimados,
>>
>> Hoy mi hermano me acaba de mostrar que la página del Censo 2017 tiene
>> datos cartográficos sobre calles, manzanas y división administrativa de
>> Chile que probablemente pueda sernos útil para mapear zonas que aún tienen
>> resultados incompletos y que aún no han sido cotejadas por revisión manual.
>>
>> http://www.censo2017.cl/resultados-precenso-2016#14830430434
>> 43-4db741fa-4733
>>
>> ¿Son considerables para integrar o usar como fuente? ¿Cómo habría que
>> hacer? Me son relevantes para hacer ediciones a Pichilemu, mi ciudad de
>> interés, para al menos tener un callejero más preciso, ya que la ciudad ha
>> cambiado significativamente en los últimos 5 años.
>>
>> Saludos
>>
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Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[ignacio abé]

Los zip están con una compresión un tanto extraña. A mi (en osx) me
funcionó extraerlos con una utilidad que se llama *the unarchiver*. Al
parecer en linux se pueden abrir desde la terminal.

Al interior hay un montón de shapes, que todavía no he revisado.

Saludos

I.A.

El 21 de septiembre de 2017, 16:19, Julio Costa Zambelli<
julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl> escribió:

> Hola Marco,
>
> Según recuerdo el INE hace muchos años autorizó el uso de ciertos archivos
> PDF con cartografía que tenían en ese momento, pero creo que es razonable
> hablar con ellos nuevamente y en particular de este tema.
>
> No logro abrir los archivos ZIP de la columna "Descargar Cartografía", así
> es que no puedo opinar respecto de la utilidad o calidad de lo que hay ahí.
> Respecto de la columna "Ver mapa público", los nombres de calles son
> claramente algo muy interesante para completar lo que tenemos.
>
> Si quieres contactalos y nos cuentas que dicen.
>
> Saludos,
>
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli
> Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> Cel: +56(9)89981083
>
> 2017-09-18 2:33 GMT-03:00 Marco González Luengo :
>
>> Estimados,
>>
>> Hoy mi hermano me acaba de mostrar que la página del Censo 2017 tiene
>> datos cartográficos sobre calles, manzanas y división administrativa de
>> Chile que probablemente pueda sernos útil para mapear zonas que aún tienen
>> resultados incompletos y que aún no han sido cotejadas por revisión manual.
>>
>> http://www.censo2017.cl/resultados-precenso-2016#14830430434
>> 43-4db741fa-4733
>>
>> ¿Son considerables para integrar o usar como fuente? ¿Cómo habría que
>> hacer? Me son relevantes para hacer ediciones a Pichilemu, mi ciudad de
>> interés, para al menos tener un callejero más preciso, ya que la ciudad ha
>> cambiado significativamente en los últimos 5 años.
>>
>> Saludos
>>
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[OSM-talk] Osmose-QA - Mapillary traffic signs matching

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

Hello,

In Osmose-QA we experiment to point missing tags in OSM linked to 
traffic signs. Thank to Mapillary help and their detect traffic signs 
from photos.


After a confidential test this summer in France, we now do it in a part 
of Frankfurt and Brussels.


The Goal is to map some traffics signs detected by Mapillary to OSM tags.

Then use the process we already have in Osmose-QA for OpenData 
integration suggestion with this data.


To avoid to much false positives we filter the data detect by Mapillary to:
- Detections from the last 2 years only
- Detections in 3 images or more
- Only detection with higher score

The process is not applicable to all traffic signs, we only report this:

- regulatory--maximum-speed-limit-*--g1
- regulatory--height-limit--g1
- regulatory--weight-limit--g1
- regulatory--yield--g1
- regulatory--stop--g1
- warning--roundabout--g1
- warning--road-bump--g1
- warning--traffic-signals--g1
- information--bus-stop--g1


Frankfurt
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=8300=15=50.09953=8.66557=1,2,3
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?item=8300=germany_hessen
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/graph.png?item=8300=germany_hessen

Brussels
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/#item=8300=14=50.83247=4.3611=1%2C2%2C3
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/?item=8300=belgium_brussels_capital_region
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/errors/graph.png?item=8300=belgium_brussels_capital_region


The traffic signs tag mapping:
https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/merge_data/mapillary-traffic-signs.mapping.csv

The Osmose-QA code:
https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/analysers/analyser_merge_traffic_signs.py


I'm highly open to comment and contribution.

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Re: [Talk-cl] Algun script para subir multiples GPX a la web de OSM

[Danilo Lacoste]

yo usé la web convencional y un tag comentario general para todo el conjunto.

2017-09-21 16:52 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli :
> ¿Y los tracks van sin comentarios, tags, etc.? ¿Se sube el ZIP en la
> interfaz web convencional?
>
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli
> Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> Cel: +56(9)89981083
>
> 2017-09-21 16:29 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>>
>> HOla Julio,
>>
>> Fredy me mencionó que se podían comprimir varios GPX en un zip y
>> subirlo. Y si, funciona, lo intenté con 36 archivos, unos 6MB
>> comprimidos, y los lee correctamente. En este proceso hay un detalle,
>> si por alguna razón alguno de tus GPX falla en la importación, todos
>> los tracks quedarán anulados, osea, los importa todos o ninguno. Por
>> lo que al fallar, hay que darse el trabajo de buscar y eliminar el
>> track incompleto.
>>
>> saludos.
>>
>> 2017-09-21 16:05 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli
>> :
>> > Hola Danilo,
>> >
>> > Llevo mucho tiempo diciendo que voy a investigar este tema porque cada
>> > cierto tiempo bajo las trazas GPX que genera uno de los dataloggers
>> > Holux
>> >
>> > (https://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2017/07/17/how-to-usar-dataloggers-holux-en-ubuntu/),
>> > y me encuentro con el mismo problema, muchas trazas y poco tiempo para
>> > procesarlas manualmente.
>> >
>> > Ahora me puse a buscar un rato pero no encuentro nada documentado,
>> > aunque no
>> > me extrañaría que JOSM pueda subir múltiples archivos GPX simultáneos de
>> > manera nativa. Nunca he subido las trazas vía JOSM, pero lo voy a
>> > investigar.
>> >
>> > Mientras tanto creo que este script (para la API 0.5) podría servir,
>> > siempre
>> > y cuando se revise y actualice para cumplir con la API 0.6:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPX_Upload_Client
>> >
>> > Saludos,
>> >
>> >
>> > Julio Costa Zambelli
>> > Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>> >
>> > julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>> >
>> > https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
>> > Cel: +56(9)89981083
>> >
>> > 2017-09-21 11:33 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>> >>
>> >> Estimados,
>> >>
>> >> alguien conoce alguna herramienta, script o algo similar que me
>> >> permita subir multiples trazas GPX a la web de OSM sin necesidad de
>> >> subir de una por una?
>> >>
>> >> saludos.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Danilo Lacoste Z.   dan...@lacosox.org
>> >> Ing. Civil en informática
>> >> www.lacosox.org
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Re: [Talk-cl] Algun script para subir multiples GPX a la web de OSM

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

¿Y los tracks van sin comentarios, tags, etc.? ¿Se sube el ZIP en la
interfaz web convencional?


Julio Costa Zambelli
Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile

julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
Cel: +56(9)89981083

2017-09-21 16:29 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :

> HOla Julio,
>
> Fredy me mencionó que se podían comprimir varios GPX en un zip y
> subirlo. Y si, funciona, lo intenté con 36 archivos, unos 6MB
> comprimidos, y los lee correctamente. En este proceso hay un detalle,
> si por alguna razón alguno de tus GPX falla en la importación, todos
> los tracks quedarán anulados, osea, los importa todos o ninguno. Por
> lo que al fallar, hay que darse el trabajo de buscar y eliminar el
> track incompleto.
>
> saludos.
>
> 2017-09-21 16:05 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli <
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl>:
> > Hola Danilo,
> >
> > Llevo mucho tiempo diciendo que voy a investigar este tema porque cada
> > cierto tiempo bajo las trazas GPX que genera uno de los dataloggers Holux
> > (https://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2017/07/17/how-to-usar-
> dataloggers-holux-en-ubuntu/),
> > y me encuentro con el mismo problema, muchas trazas y poco tiempo para
> > procesarlas manualmente.
> >
> > Ahora me puse a buscar un rato pero no encuentro nada documentado,
> aunque no
> > me extrañaría que JOSM pueda subir múltiples archivos GPX simultáneos de
> > manera nativa. Nunca he subido las trazas vía JOSM, pero lo voy a
> > investigar.
> >
> > Mientras tanto creo que este script (para la API 0.5) podría servir,
> siempre
> > y cuando se revise y actualice para cumplir con la API 0.6:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPX_Upload_Client
> >
> > Saludos,
> >
> >
> > Julio Costa Zambelli
> > Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
> >
> > julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
> > Cel: +56(9)89981083
> >
> > 2017-09-21 11:33 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
> >>
> >> Estimados,
> >>
> >> alguien conoce alguna herramienta, script o algo similar que me
> >> permita subir multiples trazas GPX a la web de OSM sin necesidad de
> >> subir de una por una?
> >>
> >> saludos.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Ing. Civil en informática
> >> www.lacosox.org
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Vladimír Semotán]

Zdravím,

ad "3D terény v interním binárním formátu určeným pro rendering":

...pro představu:

jde o sadu modelů v OpenFlight 
formátu (to je 3d soubor, jako 3ds, obj...a spol.), přičemž každý model má
tvar pravoúhlého trojúhelníku. Např: ČR je přibližně obdélník 2:1, složený
z dvou čtverců, respektive 4 těchto trojúhelníků (o straně stovek km...).
Každý pravoúhlý trojúhelník se rozpadá na další dva menší pravoúhlé
trojuhelníky..až na nejvyšší detail (trojúhelníky o straně jednotek km).
Tento systém se jmenuje BDAM
. Jednotlivé
trojúhelníkové modely jsou hromada dalších trojúhelníků a textur, které
tvoří budovy, stromy.atd. Vše bez ambicí na vyhledávání a podobných
záležitostí, jako u databází. Celé je to pak ještě přechroustané do
firemního, interního formátu a zazipované, aby to při nadzvukové rychlosti
letu stíhalo načítat z disku.

Ale na tu definici z autorského zákona lze asi napasovat cokoliv...

V.




Dne 21. září 2017 19:17 Jan Macura  napsal(a):

> Ahoj,
>
> 2017-09-21 12:23 GMT+02:00 Petr Kadlec :
>
>> Tak jasně. Asi záleží, co kdo rozumí pod pojmem 3D terén. Když to tak
>> vezmeme, tak databáze OSM je taky v zásadě 3D terén, přitom to zjevně je
>> databáze. Já si představoval terén ve formátu vhodném pro renderování,
>> nikoli model vhodný pro další databázové zpracování.
>>
>
>  no tak třeba Terrain dataset v ESRI geodatabázi nejspíš databází (resp.
> její součástí) je, a vhodný pro vykreslení je taky. Jelikož tazatel uvedl
> pouze, že ukládají "3D terény v interním binárním formátu určeným pro
> rendering", težko z toho odvodit, zda o db jde, či ne.
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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetCam or Mapillary?

[Paul]

Hi everyone

I use Mapillary, becuase they are rather more forgiving of ancient hardware 
(a Galaxy S2). 

I'm OK with the Mapillary licence situation, but there are differing photo 
use licences between the two and TfWM may have views on that.


Paul

On Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:09:32 BST, Brian Prangle wrote:

Hi everyone

I'm in discussions with Transport for West Midlands to use 
their inspection teams'  time on the street to assist us by 
taking photos with smartphones, which will also help them with 
their asset management and not have to rely on outdated data 
from Google StreetView.


Which one of the above is better for us? Or just plain better?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer un bureau d'information de la commune/l'agglo ?

[Francescu GAROBY]

Bonsoir,
Je ne voulais pas mettre ça, pensant que c'était uniquement à usage
étatique/national. Mais en lisant la page que tu cites, je réalise qu'on
peut moduler avec "admin_level", ce qui est logique, quand on y pense...

Merci,
Francescu

Le 21 septembre 2017 à 21:21, Romain MEHUT  a écrit
:

> Bonsoir,
>
> J'utiliserai office=government cf. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
> wiki/Tag:office%3Dgovernment
>
> Romain
>
> Le 21 septembre 2017 à 13:07, Francescu GAROBY  a
> écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>> Tout est quasiment dans le titre du mail : comment tagguer cette "maison
>> du Tram et des Grands Projets" ? Sachant qu'il s'agit là d'une maison
>> ouverte au public, destinée à présenter un projet de l'agglomération
>> caennaise (dont les travaux vont durer 2 ans, donc assez longtemps) +
>> d'autres "Grands projets", donc sans doute cette maison est-elle destinée à
>> être pérenne.
>>
>> http://www.caenlamer.fr/content/la-maison-du-tramway-et-des-
>> grands-projets-ouvre-ses-portes-le-21-septembre-2017-0
>>
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Re: [Talk-cl] Algun script para subir multiples GPX a la web de OSM

[Danilo Lacoste]

HOla Julio,

Fredy me mencionó que se podían comprimir varios GPX en un zip y
subirlo. Y si, funciona, lo intenté con 36 archivos, unos 6MB
comprimidos, y los lee correctamente. En este proceso hay un detalle,
si por alguna razón alguno de tus GPX falla en la importación, todos
los tracks quedarán anulados, osea, los importa todos o ninguno. Por
lo que al fallar, hay que darse el trabajo de buscar y eliminar el
track incompleto.

saludos.

2017-09-21 16:05 GMT-03:00 Julio Costa Zambelli :
> Hola Danilo,
>
> Llevo mucho tiempo diciendo que voy a investigar este tema porque cada
> cierto tiempo bajo las trazas GPX que genera uno de los dataloggers Holux
> (https://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2017/07/17/how-to-usar-dataloggers-holux-en-ubuntu/),
> y me encuentro con el mismo problema, muchas trazas y poco tiempo para
> procesarlas manualmente.
>
> Ahora me puse a buscar un rato pero no encuentro nada documentado, aunque no
> me extrañaría que JOSM pueda subir múltiples archivos GPX simultáneos de
> manera nativa. Nunca he subido las trazas vía JOSM, pero lo voy a
> investigar.
>
> Mientras tanto creo que este script (para la API 0.5) podría servir, siempre
> y cuando se revise y actualice para cumplir con la API 0.6:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPX_Upload_Client
>
> Saludos,
>
>
> Julio Costa Zambelli
> Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile
>
> julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
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>
> 2017-09-21 11:33 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :
>>
>> Estimados,
>>
>> alguien conoce alguna herramienta, script o algo similar que me
>> permita subir multiples trazas GPX a la web de OSM sin necesidad de
>> subir de una por una?
>>
>> saludos.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer un bureau d'information de la commune/l'agglo ?

[Romain MEHUT]

Bonsoir,

J'utiliserai office=government cf.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:office%3Dgovernment

Romain

Le 21 septembre 2017 à 13:07, Francescu GAROBY  a écrit
:

> Bonjour,
> Tout est quasiment dans le titre du mail : comment tagguer cette "maison
> du Tram et des Grands Projets" ? Sachant qu'il s'agit là d'une maison
> ouverte au public, destinée à présenter un projet de l'agglomération
> caennaise (dont les travaux vont durer 2 ans, donc assez longtemps) +
> d'autres "Grands projets", donc sans doute cette maison est-elle destinée à
> être pérenne.
>
> http://www.caenlamer.fr/content/la-maison-du-tramway-
> et-des-grands-projets-ouvre-ses-portes-le-21-septembre-2017-0
>
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Re: [Talk-cl] Datos cartográficos desde mapas Precenso 2016/Censo2017

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Hola Marco,

Según recuerdo el INE hace muchos años autorizó el uso de ciertos archivos
PDF con cartografía que tenían en ese momento, pero creo que es razonable
hablar con ellos nuevamente y en particular de este tema.

No logro abrir los archivos ZIP de la columna "Descargar Cartografía", así
es que no puedo opinar respecto de la utilidad o calidad de lo que hay ahí.
Respecto de la columna "Ver mapa público", los nombres de calles son
claramente algo muy interesante para completar lo que tenemos.

Si quieres contactalos y nos cuentas que dicen.

Saludos,


Julio Costa Zambelli
Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile

julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

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2017-09-18 2:33 GMT-03:00 Marco González Luengo :

> Estimados,
>
> Hoy mi hermano me acaba de mostrar que la página del Censo 2017 tiene
> datos cartográficos sobre calles, manzanas y división administrativa de
> Chile que probablemente pueda sernos útil para mapear zonas que aún tienen
> resultados incompletos y que aún no han sido cotejadas por revisión manual.
>
> http://www.censo2017.cl/resultados-precenso-2016#
> 1483043043443-4db741fa-4733
>
> ¿Son considerables para integrar o usar como fuente? ¿Cómo habría que
> hacer? Me son relevantes para hacer ediciones a Pichilemu, mi ciudad de
> interés, para al menos tener un callejero más preciso, ya que la ciudad ha
> cambiado significativamente en los últimos 5 años.
>
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[Talk-de] Umfrage zum "organisierten" Mappen

[Frederik Ramm]

Hallo,

die DWG hat eine Umfrage zum Thema "organisiertes Mappen"
veröffentlicht. Die DWG hat die Aufgabe, eine Richtlinie für das
organisierte Mappen zu entwickeln, und möchte zuvor mit der Umfrage die
Stimmung in der "Bevölkerung" erkunden.

Eine Teilnahme an der Umfrage ist hier möglich (allerdings nur auf
Englisch):

https://osm-dwg.limequery.org/741554

Man *kann* am Ende seinen Usernamen angeben, aber man kann sie auch
anonym ausfüllen.

Bye
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Re: [Talk-cl] Algun script para subir multiples GPX a la web de OSM

[Julio Costa Zambelli]

Hola Danilo,

Llevo mucho tiempo diciendo que voy a investigar este tema porque cada
cierto tiempo bajo las trazas GPX que genera uno de los dataloggers Holux (
https://blog.openstreetmap.cl/2017/07/17/how-to-usar-dataloggers-holux-en-ubuntu/),
y me encuentro con el mismo problema, muchas trazas y poco tiempo para
procesarlas manualmente.

Ahora me puse a buscar un rato pero no encuentro nada documentado, aunque
no me extrañaría que JOSM pueda subir múltiples archivos GPX simultáneos de
manera nativa. Nunca he subido las trazas vía JOSM, pero lo voy a
investigar.

Mientras tanto creo que este script (para la API 0.5) podría servir,
siempre y cuando se revise y actualice para cumplir con la API 0.6:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GPX_Upload_Client

Saludos,


Julio Costa Zambelli
Fundación OpenStreetMap Chile

julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl

https://www.openstreetmap.cl/
Cel: +56(9)89981083

2017-09-21 11:33 GMT-03:00 Danilo Lacoste :

> Estimados,
>
> alguien conoce alguna herramienta, script o algo similar que me
> permita subir multiples trazas GPX a la web de OSM sin necesidad de
> subir de una por una?
>
> saludos.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[PanierAvide]

Thank you, let me know if you have any ideas to improve it :-)

Regards,

Adrien.


Le 21/09/2017 à 20:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev a écrit :

Hi Adrien,

I tested the Pic4Carto application on photos which I added recently to 
Wikimedia. It works just fine. Very impressive. I will definitively 
use it.


Best regards,
Oleksiy




On 21.09.17 19:45, PanierAvide wrote:

Hi everyone,

As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various 
thematic editing and contribution. Every contributor can find 
something to do, however when you are new to this world, you don't 
where these tools are and which one is made for you.


In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and find 
the ones according to what you want to work on, I made a little web 
guide named WhatOSM. When answering three questions (level of 
difficulty, available time and if you are indoors/outdoors), you have 
a list of corresponding tools. You can try it here :


http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/

It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented ones, 
who don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It might be 
interested to show this to people when doing mapping parties. User 
interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.


This project is open source and is available on this repository :

https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM

You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow contributing 
more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you speak English + 
another language, you can help translating the application :


https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/

If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)

Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[PanierAvide]

I was reading the famous policy. If I understand well, I cannot name 
without authorization the project WhatOSM (meaning that I can still ask 
for authorization ?). But if I name it "What ? OSM !" it is OK, because 
it doesn't mix OSM with the name, and it uses OSM word mark correctly ?


Adrien.


Le 21/09/2017 à 20:28, Simon Poole a écrit :


They are

a) not copyrighted

b the TM policy will allow certain community use of the trademarks 
that previously was not clearly permitted and defines going forward 
what is acceptable and what not.


That said, for the reasons mentioned in the policy, you should avoid 
*OSM* names. Not to mention that on more general principles they are 
not a good idea.


Simon


On 21.09.2017 19:53, James wrote:
You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project 2 
weeks ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted" and 
goes against the new usage policy.


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide > wrote:


Hi everyone,

As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various
thematic editing and contribution. Every contributor can find
something to do, however when you are new to this world, you
don't where these tools are and which one is made for you.

In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and
find the ones according to what you want to work on, I made a
little web guide named WhatOSM. When answering three questions
(level of difficulty, available time and if you are
indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding tools. You
can try it here :

http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/


It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented
ones, who don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood.
It might be interested to show this to people when doing mapping
parties. User interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.

This project is open source and is available on this repository :

https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM


You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow
contributing more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you
speak English + another language, you can help translating the
application :

https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/


If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)

Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Hi Adrien,

I tested the Pic4Carto application on photos which I added recently to 
Wikimedia. It works just fine. Very impressive. I will definitively use it.


Best regards,
Oleksiy




On 21.09.17 19:45, PanierAvide wrote:

Hi everyone,

As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various 
thematic editing and contribution. Every contributor can find 
something to do, however when you are new to this world, you don't 
where these tools are and which one is made for you.


In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and find 
the ones according to what you want to work on, I made a little web 
guide named WhatOSM. When answering three questions (level of 
difficulty, available time and if you are indoors/outdoors), you have 
a list of corresponding tools. You can try it here :


http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/

It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented ones, 
who don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It might be 
interested to show this to people when doing mapping parties. User 
interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.


This project is open source and is available on this repository :

https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM

You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow contributing 
more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you speak English + 
another language, you can help translating the application :


https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/

If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)

Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[Simon Poole]

They are

a) not copyrighted

b the TM policy will allow certain community use of the trademarks that
previously was not clearly permitted and defines going forward what is
acceptable and what not.

That said, for the reasons mentioned in the policy, you should avoid
*OSM* names. Not to mention that on more general principles they are not
a good idea.

Simon


On 21.09.2017 19:53, James wrote:
> You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project 2
> weeks ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted" and
> goes against the new usage policy.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide  > wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various
> thematic editing and contribution. Every contributor can find
> something to do, however when you are new to this world, you don't
> where these tools are and which one is made for you.
>
> In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and
> find the ones according to what you want to work on, I made a
> little web guide named WhatOSM. When answering three questions
> (level of difficulty, available time and if you are
> indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding tools. You can
> try it here :
>
> http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/
> 
>
> It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented
> ones, who don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It
> might be interested to show this to people when doing mapping
> parties. User interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.
>
> This project is open source and is available on this repository :
>
> https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM
> 
>
> You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow
> contributing more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you
> speak English + another language, you can help translating the
> application :
>
> https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/
> 
>
> If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrien.
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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[Ian Dees]

The trademark policy in question was just a draft and we haven't heard
anything about it moving beyond draft since.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:14 PM, PanierAvide  wrote:

> Thanks for pointing this out. I'm clearly not an expert of legal issues,
> so the following may probably not make sense.
>
> 
> The goal of this tool is to help new contributors, and making them more
> easily start contributing to OSM. If we give it an obscure name, not
> referring to OSM, then where is the link between this tool and OSM ? I
> understand legal issues, but I hope that we don't loose of sight that we
> are a community project, and we need some form of cohesion. Our tools don't
> share so much except that they edit OSM data or help people doing so.
> According to this policy, JOSM should have been named instead "Java Editor
> for you-know-which-map-I'm-talking-about" ? Doesn't make sense to me.
>
> However, if there is a way to keep the name and sign some sort of
> contract, implying that I will not misuse the name or so, no problem, that
> would be fair. But let's keep the fun in creating tools for OSM, and not
> being able to name it using OSM is clearly boring plus misleading for users.
> 
>
> Thanks for reading this nonsense, I'm totally open to find a way to solve
> this potential naming issue, if someone can give me some hints about it, it
> would be great.
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[James]

https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Contact

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:22 PM, PanierAvide  wrote:

> As this is new, is there a dedicated email contact to reach people
> handling this ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrien.
>
>
> Le 21/09/2017 à 20:17, James a écrit :
>
> You would need to get approval from the OSMF if you wanted to still keep
> WhatOSM
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM, PanierAvide 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for pointing this out. I'm clearly not an expert of legal issues,
>> so the following may probably not make sense.
>>
>> 
>> The goal of this tool is to help new contributors, and making them more
>> easily start contributing to OSM. If we give it an obscure name, not
>> referring to OSM, then where is the link between this tool and OSM ? I
>> understand legal issues, but I hope that we don't loose of sight that we
>> are a community project, and we need some form of cohesion. Our tools don't
>> share so much except that they edit OSM data or help people doing so.
>> According to this policy, JOSM should have been named instead "Java Editor
>> for you-know-which-map-I'm-talking-about" ? Doesn't make sense to me.
>>
>> However, if there is a way to keep the name and sign some sort of
>> contract, implying that I will not misuse the name or so, no problem, that
>> would be fair. But let's keep the fun in creating tools for OSM, and not
>> being able to name it using OSM is clearly boring plus misleading for users.
>> 
>>
>> Thanks for reading this nonsense, I'm totally open to find a way to solve
>> this potential naming issue, if someone can give me some hints about it, it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Adrien.
>>
>>
>> Le 21/09/2017 à 19:53, James a écrit :
>>
>> You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project 2 weeks
>> ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted" and goes against
>> the new usage policy.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various thematic
>>> editing and contribution. Every contributor can find something to do,
>>> however when you are new to this world, you don't where these tools are and
>>> which one is made for you.
>>>
>>> In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and find the
>>> ones according to what you want to work on, I made a little web guide named
>>> WhatOSM. When answering three questions (level of difficulty, available
>>> time and if you are indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding
>>> tools. You can try it here :
>>>
>>> http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/
>>>
>>> It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented ones, who
>>> don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It might be
>>> interested to show this to people when doing mapping parties. User
>>> interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.
>>>
>>> This project is open source and is available on this repository :
>>>
>>> https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM
>>>
>>> You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow contributing
>>> more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you speak English +
>>> another language, you can help translating the application :
>>>
>>> https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/
>>>
>>> If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Adrien.
>>>
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[PanierAvide]

As this is new, is there a dedicated email contact to reach people 
handling this ?


Regards,

Adrien.


Le 21/09/2017 à 20:17, James a écrit :
You would need to get approval from the OSMF if you wanted to still 
keep WhatOSM


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM, PanierAvide > wrote:


Thanks for pointing this out. I'm clearly not an expert of legal
issues, so the following may probably not make sense.


The goal of this tool is to help new contributors, and making them
more easily start contributing to OSM. If we give it an obscure
name, not referring to OSM, then where is the link between this
tool and OSM ? I understand legal issues, but I hope that we don't
loose of sight that we are a community project, and we need some
form of cohesion. Our tools don't share so much except that they
edit OSM data or help people doing so. According to this policy,
JOSM should have been named instead "Java Editor for
you-know-which-map-I'm-talking-about" ? Doesn't make sense to me.

However, if there is a way to keep the name and sign some sort of
contract, implying that I will not misuse the name or so, no
problem, that would be fair. But let's keep the fun in creating
tools for OSM, and not being able to name it using OSM is clearly
boring plus misleading for users.


Thanks for reading this nonsense, I'm totally open to find a way
to solve this potential naming issue, if someone can give me some
hints about it, it would be great.

Regards,

Adrien.


Le 21/09/2017 à 19:53, James a écrit :

You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project
2 weeks ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted"
and goes against the new usage policy.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide
> wrote:

Hi everyone,

As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing
various thematic editing and contribution. Every contributor
can find something to do, however when you are new to this
world, you don't where these tools are and which one is made
for you.

In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools,
and find the ones according to what you want to work on, I
made a little web guide named WhatOSM. When answering three
questions (level of difficulty, available time and if you are
indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding tools.
You can try it here :

http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/


It can be used by new contributors, but also more
experimented ones, who don't know what to do anymore in their
neighbourhood. It might be interested to show this to people
when doing mapping parties. User interface works as well on
desktop as on smartphone.

This project is open source and is available on this repository :

https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM


You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow
contributing more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if
you speak English + another language, you can help
translating the application :

https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/


If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)

Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[James]

You would need to get approval from the OSMF if you wanted to still keep
WhatOSM

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM, PanierAvide  wrote:

> Thanks for pointing this out. I'm clearly not an expert of legal issues,
> so the following may probably not make sense.
>
> 
> The goal of this tool is to help new contributors, and making them more
> easily start contributing to OSM. If we give it an obscure name, not
> referring to OSM, then where is the link between this tool and OSM ? I
> understand legal issues, but I hope that we don't loose of sight that we
> are a community project, and we need some form of cohesion. Our tools don't
> share so much except that they edit OSM data or help people doing so.
> According to this policy, JOSM should have been named instead "Java Editor
> for you-know-which-map-I'm-talking-about" ? Doesn't make sense to me.
>
> However, if there is a way to keep the name and sign some sort of
> contract, implying that I will not misuse the name or so, no problem, that
> would be fair. But let's keep the fun in creating tools for OSM, and not
> being able to name it using OSM is clearly boring plus misleading for users.
> 
>
> Thanks for reading this nonsense, I'm totally open to find a way to solve
> this potential naming issue, if someone can give me some hints about it, it
> would be great.
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrien.
>
>
> Le 21/09/2017 à 19:53, James a écrit :
>
> You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project 2 weeks
> ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted" and goes against
> the new usage policy.
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various thematic
>> editing and contribution. Every contributor can find something to do,
>> however when you are new to this world, you don't where these tools are and
>> which one is made for you.
>>
>> In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and find the
>> ones according to what you want to work on, I made a little web guide named
>> WhatOSM. When answering three questions (level of difficulty, available
>> time and if you are indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding
>> tools. You can try it here :
>>
>> http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/
>>
>> It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented ones, who
>> don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It might be
>> interested to show this to people when doing mapping parties. User
>> interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.
>>
>> This project is open source and is available on this repository :
>>
>> https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM
>>
>> You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow contributing more
>> or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you speak English + another
>> language, you can help translating the application :
>>
>> https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/
>>
>> If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Adrien.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[PanierAvide]

Thanks for pointing this out. I'm clearly not an expert of legal issues, 
so the following may probably not make sense.



The goal of this tool is to help new contributors, and making them more 
easily start contributing to OSM. If we give it an obscure name, not 
referring to OSM, then where is the link between this tool and OSM ? I 
understand legal issues, but I hope that we don't loose of sight that we 
are a community project, and we need some form of cohesion. Our tools 
don't share so much except that they edit OSM data or help people doing 
so. According to this policy, JOSM should have been named instead "Java 
Editor for you-know-which-map-I'm-talking-about" ? Doesn't make sense to me.


However, if there is a way to keep the name and sign some sort of 
contract, implying that I will not misuse the name or so, no problem, 
that would be fair. But let's keep the fun in creating tools for OSM, 
and not being able to name it using OSM is clearly boring plus 
misleading for users.



Thanks for reading this nonsense, I'm totally open to find a way to 
solve this potential naming issue, if someone can give me some hints 
about it, it would be great.


Regards,

Adrien.


Le 21/09/2017 à 19:53, James a écrit :
You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project 2 
weeks ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted" and 
goes against the new usage policy.


On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide > wrote:


Hi everyone,

As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various
thematic editing and contribution. Every contributor can find
something to do, however when you are new to this world, you don't
where these tools are and which one is made for you.

In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and
find the ones according to what you want to work on, I made a
little web guide named WhatOSM. When answering three questions
(level of difficulty, available time and if you are
indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding tools. You can
try it here :

http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/


It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented
ones, who don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It
might be interested to show this to people when doing mapping
parties. User interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.

This project is open source and is available on this repository :

https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM


You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow
contributing more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you
speak English + another language, you can help translating the
application :

https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/


If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)

Regards,

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[Talk-GB] OpenStreetCam or Mapillary?

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I'm in discussions with Transport for West Midlands to use their inspection
teams'  time on the street to assist us by taking photos with smartphones,
which will also help them with their asset management and not have to rely
on outdated data from Google StreetView.

Which one of the above is better for us? Or just plain better?

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Re: [Talk-cz] rozcestniky

[o...@kub.cz]

Nabízím hostování na svém serveru, který umístěn přímo na optické 
páteřní síti a momentálně tam je ještě tak TB volno. Hostuji tam 
neziskové projekty které znám nebo jsem do nich zapojen, co čehož OSM 
spadá. Běží tam asi 15 webů a mailserver.


Gorn


On 12.9.2017 14:45, Jiří Komárek wrote:
Co požádat o podporu vpsFree.cz? Ti u sebe často zdarma hostují různé 
neziskové projekty



On 12.9.2017 14:39, Michal Grézl wrote:

uz jich mame 30gb a zaplacli sme veskery prideleny prostor.

Takze ted musim sehnat prostor novy a zaroven preorganizovat ten
stavajici. To znamena ze vsechny fotky co zacinaji na 201[1234567] sou
presouvany jinam. Posleze bude upravena db tak, aby to zas fungovalo,
do te doby nepujdou zobrazit. Chtel sem uz dnes, ale to kopirovani je
priserne pomale.

navrhy na nejaky levny vps krome wedosu s hromadou disku? Staci jen
vzdaleny uloziste, nfs, iscsi?





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Re: [OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[James]

You might want to reconsider the name as you started this project 2 weeks
ago and XYZosm or osmXYZ or OpenXYZMap are "copyrighted" and goes against
the new usage policy.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:45 PM, PanierAvide  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various thematic
> editing and contribution. Every contributor can find something to do,
> however when you are new to this world, you don't where these tools are and
> which one is made for you.
>
> In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and find the
> ones according to what you want to work on, I made a little web guide named
> WhatOSM. When answering three questions (level of difficulty, available
> time and if you are indoors/outdoors), you have a list of corresponding
> tools. You can try it here :
>
> http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/
>
> It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented ones, who
> don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It might be
> interested to show this to people when doing mapping parties. User
> interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.
>
> This project is open source and is available on this repository :
>
> https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM
>
> You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow contributing more
> or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you speak English + another
> language, you can help translating the application :
>
> https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/
>
> If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Adrien.
>
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[OSM-talk] WhatOSM, a guide for contribution tools

[PanierAvide]

Hi everyone,

As you may know, OSM has a whole set of tools allowing various thematic 
editing and contribution. Every contributor can find something to do, 
however when you are new to this world, you don't where these tools are 
and which one is made for you.


In order to make it easier discovering contribution tools, and find the 
ones according to what you want to work on, I made a little web guide 
named WhatOSM. When answering three questions (level of difficulty, 
available time and if you are indoors/outdoors), you have a list of 
corresponding tools. You can try it here :


http://projets.pavie.info/whatosm/

It can be used by new contributors, but also more experimented ones, who 
don't know what to do anymore in their neighbourhood. It might be 
interested to show this to people when doing mapping parties. User 
interface works as well on desktop as on smartphone.


This project is open source and is available on this repository :

https://framagit.org/PanierAvide/WhatOSM

You can contribute to it by proposing tools which allow contributing 
more or less directly to OpenStreetMap. Also, if you speak English + 
another language, you can help translating the application :


https://www.transifex.com/openlevelup/whatosm/

If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know :-)

Regards,

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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Jan Macura]

Ahoj,

2017-09-21 12:23 GMT+02:00 Petr Kadlec :

> Tak jasně. Asi záleží, co kdo rozumí pod pojmem 3D terén. Když to tak
> vezmeme, tak databáze OSM je taky v zásadě 3D terén, přitom to zjevně je
> databáze. Já si představoval terén ve formátu vhodném pro renderování,
> nikoli model vhodný pro další databázové zpracování.
>

 no tak třeba Terrain dataset v ESRI geodatabázi nejspíš databází (resp.
její součástí) je, a vhodný pro vykreslení je taky. Jelikož tazatel uvedl
pouze, že ukládají "3D terény v interním binárním formátu určeným pro
rendering", težko z toho odvodit, zda o db jde, či ne.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] OpenStreetCam or Mapillary?

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Brian,

Great question and one I'd love to know the answer.

Maybe you can send it to talk-gb or even talk.

They both allow use on OSM but may not allow others to use the images for
free.

Rob

On 19 Sep 2017 8:54 a.m., "Brian Prangle"  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I'm in discussions with TfWM to use their inspection teams'  time on the
> street to assist us by taking photos with smartphones, which will also help
> them with their asset management and not have to rely on outdated data from
> Google StreetView.
>
> Which one of the above is better for us? Or just plain better?
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-it] FOSS4G-IT 2018

[Alessandro Palmas]

  
  
Il 21/09/2017 17:17, Marco Minghini ha
  scritto:


  

  

  Quello che invece volevo capire è se, la giornata dedicata
  a OSM
  accetta contributi come quelli definiti nella descrizione
  della
  conferenza che mi sembrano molto legati al riuso dei dati
  o della
  mappa attraverso software libero o se si poteva presentare
  anche
  argomenti che vanno in altri ambiti come sociologia,
  economia e
  giurisprudenza.
  
  Es.
  - analisi della comunità di osm
  - esempi di modelli di business basati su osm
  - compatibilità di licenze
  
  Argomenti che erano presenti in osmit.



Sono molto d'accordo (e mi sembra che questo fosse
  emerso anche l'anno scorso): OSMit non era un convegno
  (solamente) scientifico, mentre ora se unito ad un
  convegno con Comitato Scientifico si rischia ovviamente di
  penalizzare i contributi non scientifici ma rilevanti per
  la comunità OSM (penalizzare = rifiutare o accettare come
  poster).


  
  Si tratterebbe di provare a far
presente la questione a GFOSS, così da capire che spazio
venga effettivamente "riservato" a OSMit. 
@Alessandro, ci provi tu (come responsabile di Wikimedia
Italia)?


  

  


L'anno scorso ci eravamo spostati a Santa Margherita intendendo come
giornata OSM un mapping party.
Il format dell'anno scorso voleva inframezzare per quanto possibile
gli argomenti per evitare le caratterizzazioni delle diverse
giornate (e in effetti la due giorni di convegno si è rivelata
interessante e con la giusta variabilità).

I tre argomenti portati come esempio da Napo a mio parere avrebbero
un interesse generale; visto l'interesse verso OSM di aziende e P.A.
mi pare fisiologico che ci sia la volontà di capire da chi sono
creati e manutenuti i dati, quali siano i possibili modelli di
business e l'argomento licenze (anche quello mica male).
Personalmente li riterrei argomenti non scientifici ma comunque di
sicuro interesse per la maggior parte del pubblico. 

Andrebbe comunque tenuta in conto anche l'osservazione di Marco e mi
pare giusto interrogarsi su possibili temi rilevanti per la comunità
OSM ma molto meno o punto per chi ne è al di fuori.
Visto che quest'anno ci siamo mossi con un buon anticipo nel caso in
cui di proponessero interventi di questo tipo si potrebbe pensare di
occupare una parte della quarta giornata per questi temi. Se
pensiamo al numero di partecipanti al mapping party dello scorso
febbraio avremmo potuto investire la giornata in discussioni.

Mi farebbe piacere avere anche un feedback dai partecipanti a questa
lista.
Le possibili opzioni potrebbero essere:

- giornata dedicata alla documentazione e guide

- giornata di discussione su temi prettamente di interesse ai
contributori OSM

- mapping party

- none of the above :-) (fatevi avanti con eventuali proposte). O
anche un mix tra due di questi possibili svolgimenti.

Alessandro
  


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Re: [OSRM-talk] Routing on HOV lanes

[Daniel Patterson]

Yes, this behaviour is baked into the dataset during the "pre-processing"
step - you can't currently modify it at query time on the demo server.

If you need this behaviour, you have two options:

  1) Remove HOV lanes from the avoid list here:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/master/profiles/car.lua#L119
and process your own dataset

  2) With a bit of work, you could possibly make this query-time selectable
by adding support for a new "hov-only" road class here:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/master/profiles/lib/guidance.lua#L63,
then adding an exclude capability for that class here:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/master/profiles/car.lua#L107

Both of these options require you to generate your own datasets and run
your own server.

daniel

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Jason Dalton 
wrote:

>
> the OSRM demos all avoid I66E during the HOV period.   Is that how the
> demo is specifically set up, and is there a config that allows HOV travel?
>
> https://www.mapbox.com/get-directions/#12.18/38.8522/-77.
> 1488?coordinates=-77.26192144623029,38.86860868389613;-77.05189,38.848834
>
> http://map.project-osrm.org/?z=15=38.876150%2C-77.
> 219124=38.871690%2C-77.261438=38.848625%2C-77.051612=en=0
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Expecting time for osrm-contract for planet

[Daniel Patterson]

OSRM supports *two* core routing algorithms - CH and MLD.  The
`osrm-contract` tool generates the CH dataset, but you can use the MLD
pipeline instead with:

osrm-extract -p profiles/bicycle.lua yourmap.osm.pbf
osrm-partition yourmap.osrm
osrm-customize yourmap.osrm
osrm-routed -a MLD yourmap.osrm

This sequence of tools should be significantly quicker than osrm-contract -
the price you pay is that routing requests are about 5x slower (still
pretty fast though!).  The reason that MLD exists is for the
`osrm-customize` step - it allows you to import traffic data very quickly
and update the routing graph (~1 minute for North America).

It's hard to say exactly what's going wrong with osrm-contract here - here
at Mapbox, we daily run `osrm-contract` over the latest planet with the
bicycle profile without a problem, however, Alex and others have reported
issues with what seem like hangs on much smaller datasets that we've been
unable to reproduce so far.

The runtime of osrm-contract is affected by how much hierarchy exists in
the data - the more similar the edge speeds (like in foot) and the more
edges there are, the slower it gets, often in a non-linear fashion.  The
car profile has a very hierarchical structure (many different road speeds),
so it fits well into the CH, the construction algorithm  doesn't need to
compare as many options.

daniel

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Kieran Caplice 
wrote:

> We're actually looking for the best of both car and foot, so in my head,
> bicycle would be the happy medium (though I could be completely wrong on
> this).
> Kind regards,
> Kieran Caplice
>
> On 21/09/17 16:53, Alex Farioletti wrote:
>
> i've run into the same issues, and now i just use metroextracts of the
> areas that i need for the bike stuff i do and it reduces the time
> significantly
>
> *Alex Farioletti*
> *415.312.1674*
> *tcbcourier.com  *
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Kieran Caplice <
> kieran.capl...@temetra.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Daniel.
>>
>> I'm using the bicycle profile, so I would expect based on what you've
>> said that somewhere up to 36 hours would be likely. However, this is the
>> current output, after 25h40m:
>> [info] Input file: /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
>> [info] Threads: 12
>> [info] Reading node weights.
>> [info] Done reading node weights.
>> [info] Loading edge-expanded graph representation
>> [info] merged 2379332 edges out of 152432
>> [info] initializing node priorities... ok.
>> [info] preprocessing 389797971 (90%) nodes...
>> [info] . 10% . 20% . 30% . 40% . 50% . 60%
>>
>> It hasn't advanced past 60% in the last 2-3 hours. It is however maxing
>> CPU and using approximately the same amount of RAM since it started.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Kieran Caplice
>>
>> On 21/09/17 16:39, Daniel Patterson wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kieran,
>>
>>   The contraction time will be slow - many, many hours for the whole
>> planet.  *Typically* for the car profile it's about 12 hours, but if you
>> use bike or foot, or your own profile, it can get a lot bigger.
>>
>>   If you've messed with the travel speeds, that can have a big effect
>> too.  24 hours is not unheard of, but whether it's legit will depend a lot
>> on the details.
>>
>> daniel
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Kieran Caplice <
>> kieran.capl...@temetra.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Could anyone give an approx estimate for the time required to run the
>>> osrm-contract on planet data on a 12 thread, 256 GB RAM, SSD machine?
>>>
>>> The osrm-extract process finished in 232 minutes, but the contract has
>>> now been running solid for 24 hours, and appears to be stuck at 60% on
>>> "preprocessing nodes". All 12 cores are generally maxed out, and the
>>> process is using nearly 90 GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> This is the second time I've run the contract process, as my SSH
>>> connection to the server dropped the first time and the process wasn't
>>> running in a screen etc, so I assumed after the 40-odd hours it was running
>>> for, the connection drop caused it to hang, but now I'm not so sure. Were
>>> there any files I should maybe have cleared before trying to run it again?
>>>
>>> I'm using the docker image to run the command (using
>>> osrm/osrm-backend:latest): time docker run -t -v /opt/osrm/data:/data
>>> osrm/osrm-backend osrm-contract /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Kieran Caplice
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Expecting time for osrm-contract for planet

[Kieran Caplice]

I take back what I said, the contract process has advanced 5%! Looks 
like it's now using more RAM than CPU, so I'll give it a bit more time 
before judging it prematurely again :-)


Kind regards,
Kieran Caplice

On 21/09/17 17:03, Kieran Caplice wrote:


We're actually looking for the best of both car and foot, so in my 
head, bicycle would be the happy medium (though I could be completely 
wrong on this).


Kind regards,
Kieran Caplice

On 21/09/17 16:53, Alex Farioletti wrote:
i've run into the same issues, and now i just use metroextracts of 
the areas that i need for the bike stuff i do and it reduces the time 
significantly


*Alex Farioletti*
*415.312.1674*
/tcbcourier.com  /

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Kieran Caplice 
> wrote:


Thanks Daniel.

I'm using the bicycle profile, so I would expect based on what
you've said that somewhere up to 36 hours would be likely.
However, this is the current output, after 25h40m:

[info] Input file: /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
[info] Threads: 12
[info] Reading node weights.
[info] Done reading node weights.
[info] Loading edge-expanded graph representation
[info] merged 2379332 edges out of 152432
[info] initializing node priorities... ok.
[info] preprocessing 389797971 (90%) nodes...
[info] . 10% . 20% . 30% . 40% . 50% . 60%

It hasn't advanced past 60% in the last 2-3 hours. It is however
maxing CPU and using approximately the same amount of RAM since
it started.

Kind regards,
Kieran Caplice

On 21/09/17 16:39, Daniel Patterson wrote:

Hi Kieran,

  The contraction time will be slow - many, many hours for the
whole planet.  *Typically* for the car profile it's about 12
hours, but if you use bike or foot, or your own profile, it can
get a lot bigger.

  If you've messed with the travel speeds, that can have a big
effect too.  24 hours is not unheard of, but whether it's legit
will depend a lot on the details.

daniel

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Kieran Caplice
>
wrote:

Hi all,

Could anyone give an approx estimate for the time required
to run the osrm-contract on planet data on a 12 thread, 256
GB RAM, SSD machine?

The osrm-extract process finished in 232 minutes, but the
contract has now been running solid for 24 hours, and
appears to be stuck at 60% on "preprocessing nodes". All 12
cores are generally maxed out, and the process is using
nearly 90 GB of RAM.

This is the second time I've run the contract process, as my
SSH connection to the server dropped the first time and the
process wasn't running in a screen etc, so I assumed after
the 40-odd hours it was running for, the connection drop
caused it to hang, but now I'm not so sure. Were there any
files I should maybe have cleared before trying to run it again?

I'm using the docker image to run the command (using
osrm/osrm-backend:latest): time docker run -t -v
/opt/osrm/data:/data osrm/osrm-backend osrm-contract
/data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm

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Re: [OSRM-talk] Expecting time for osrm-contract for planet

[Alex Farioletti]

i've run into the same issues, and now i just use metroextracts of the
areas that i need for the bike stuff i do and it reduces the time
significantly

*Alex Farioletti*
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*tcbcourier.com  *

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Kieran Caplice 
wrote:

> Thanks Daniel.
>
> I'm using the bicycle profile, so I would expect based on what you've said
> that somewhere up to 36 hours would be likely. However, this is the current
> output, after 25h40m:
> [info] Input file: /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
> [info] Threads: 12
> [info] Reading node weights.
> [info] Done reading node weights.
> [info] Loading edge-expanded graph representation
> [info] merged 2379332 edges out of 152432
> [info] initializing node priorities... ok.
> [info] preprocessing 389797971 (90%) nodes...
> [info] . 10% . 20% . 30% . 40% . 50% . 60%
>
> It hasn't advanced past 60% in the last 2-3 hours. It is however maxing
> CPU and using approximately the same amount of RAM since it started.
>
> Kind regards,
> Kieran Caplice
>
> On 21/09/17 16:39, Daniel Patterson wrote:
>
> Hi Kieran,
>
>   The contraction time will be slow - many, many hours for the whole
> planet.  *Typically* for the car profile it's about 12 hours, but if you
> use bike or foot, or your own profile, it can get a lot bigger.
>
>   If you've messed with the travel speeds, that can have a big effect too.
>  24 hours is not unheard of, but whether it's legit will depend a lot on
> the details.
>
> daniel
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Kieran Caplice <
> kieran.capl...@temetra.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Could anyone give an approx estimate for the time required to run the
>> osrm-contract on planet data on a 12 thread, 256 GB RAM, SSD machine?
>>
>> The osrm-extract process finished in 232 minutes, but the contract has
>> now been running solid for 24 hours, and appears to be stuck at 60% on
>> "preprocessing nodes". All 12 cores are generally maxed out, and the
>> process is using nearly 90 GB of RAM.
>>
>> This is the second time I've run the contract process, as my SSH
>> connection to the server dropped the first time and the process wasn't
>> running in a screen etc, so I assumed after the 40-odd hours it was running
>> for, the connection drop caused it to hang, but now I'm not so sure. Were
>> there any files I should maybe have cleared before trying to run it again?
>>
>> I'm using the docker image to run the command (using
>> osrm/osrm-backend:latest): time docker run -t -v /opt/osrm/data:/data
>> osrm/osrm-backend osrm-contract /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Kieran Caplice
>>
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Re: [OSRM-talk] Expecting time for osrm-contract for planet

[Kieran Caplice]

Thanks Daniel.

I'm using the bicycle profile, so I would expect based on what you've 
said that somewhere up to 36 hours would be likely. However, this is the 
current output, after 25h40m:


[info] Input file: /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
[info] Threads: 12
[info] Reading node weights.
[info] Done reading node weights.
[info] Loading edge-expanded graph representation
[info] merged 2379332 edges out of 152432
[info] initializing node priorities... ok.
[info] preprocessing 389797971 (90%) nodes...
[info] . 10% . 20% . 30% . 40% . 50% . 60%

It hasn't advanced past 60% in the last 2-3 hours. It is however maxing 
CPU and using approximately the same amount of RAM since it started.


Kind regards,
Kieran Caplice

On 21/09/17 16:39, Daniel Patterson wrote:

Hi Kieran,

  The contraction time will be slow - many, many hours for the whole 
planet.  *Typically* for the car profile it's about 12 hours, but if 
you use bike or foot, or your own profile, it can get a lot bigger.


  If you've messed with the travel speeds, that can have a big effect 
too.  24 hours is not unheard of, but whether it's legit will depend a 
lot on the details.


daniel

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Kieran Caplice 
> wrote:


Hi all,

Could anyone give an approx estimate for the time required to run
the osrm-contract on planet data on a 12 thread, 256 GB RAM, SSD
machine?

The osrm-extract process finished in 232 minutes, but the contract
has now been running solid for 24 hours, and appears to be stuck
at 60% on "preprocessing nodes". All 12 cores are generally maxed
out, and the process is using nearly 90 GB of RAM.

This is the second time I've run the contract process, as my SSH
connection to the server dropped the first time and the process
wasn't running in a screen etc, so I assumed after the 40-odd
hours it was running for, the connection drop caused it to hang,
but now I'm not so sure. Were there any files I should maybe have
cleared before trying to run it again?

I'm using the docker image to run the command (using
osrm/osrm-backend:latest): time docker run -t -v
/opt/osrm/data:/data osrm/osrm-backend osrm-contract
/data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm

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Re: [OSRM-talk] Expecting time for osrm-contract for planet

[Daniel Patterson]

Hi Kieran,

  The contraction time will be slow - many, many hours for the whole
planet.  *Typically* for the car profile it's about 12 hours, but if you
use bike or foot, or your own profile, it can get a lot bigger.

  If you've messed with the travel speeds, that can have a big effect too.
 24 hours is not unheard of, but whether it's legit will depend a lot on
the details.

daniel

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Kieran Caplice 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Could anyone give an approx estimate for the time required to run the
> osrm-contract on planet data on a 12 thread, 256 GB RAM, SSD machine?
>
> The osrm-extract process finished in 232 minutes, but the contract has now
> been running solid for 24 hours, and appears to be stuck at 60% on
> "preprocessing nodes". All 12 cores are generally maxed out, and the
> process is using nearly 90 GB of RAM.
>
> This is the second time I've run the contract process, as my SSH
> connection to the server dropped the first time and the process wasn't
> running in a screen etc, so I assumed after the 40-odd hours it was running
> for, the connection drop caused it to hang, but now I'm not so sure. Were
> there any files I should maybe have cleared before trying to run it again?
>
> I'm using the docker image to run the command (using
> osrm/osrm-backend:latest): time docker run -t -v /opt/osrm/data:/data
> osrm/osrm-backend osrm-contract /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm
>
> Kind regards,
> Kieran Caplice
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Re: [Talk-it] FOSS4G-IT 2018

[Marco Minghini]

>
> Quello che invece volevo capire è se, la giornata dedicata a OSM
> accetta contributi come quelli definiti nella descrizione della
> conferenza che mi sembrano molto legati al riuso dei dati o della
> mappa attraverso software libero o se si poteva presentare anche
> argomenti che vanno in altri ambiti come sociologia, economia e
> giurisprudenza.
>
> Es.
> - analisi della comunità di osm
> - esempi di modelli di business basati su osm
> - compatibilità di licenze
>
> Argomenti che erano presenti in osmit.
>

Sono molto d'accordo (e mi sembra che questo fosse emerso anche l'anno
scorso): OSMit non era un convegno (solamente) scientifico, mentre ora se
unito ad un convegno con Comitato Scientifico si rischia ovviamente di
penalizzare i contributi non scientifici ma rilevanti per la comunità OSM
(penalizzare = rifiutare o accettare come poster).

Si tratterebbe di provare a far presente la questione a GFOSS, così da
capire che spazio venga effettivamente "riservato" a OSMit.
@Alessandro, ci provi tu (come responsabile di Wikimedia Italia)?

Marco
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[Talk-it] Tasking Manager per progetto Ricostruzione Trasparente

[Alessandro Palmas]

  
  
Salve lista,
vi segnalo la pubblicazione di un nuovo task (1) nel Tasking Manager
gestito da Wikimedia Italia che mira alla mappatura degli edifici di
3 piccoli comuni in Provincia di Fermo: Belmonte Piceno,
Monsampietro Morico e Monteleone di Fermo.
Sono 3 comuni facenti parte del cratere sismico su cui sta lavorando
Ricostruzione Trasparente (2). Si richiede il ricalco degli edifici
dalle ortofoto normalmente disponibili.

Per qualsiasi dubbio non esitate a chiedere, ma prima di farvi
venire dei dubbi iniziate a contribuirvi :-)

Alessandro Ale_Zena_IT

1) http://osmit-tm.wmflabs.org/project/26
2) http://ricostruzionetrasparente.it/
  


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Re: [Talk-it] FOSS4G-IT 2018

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Ciao Marco
scrivo anche qui perchè poi sulla ML di GFOSS.it sono stato più chiaro.

Intanto risolvo la questione sul comitato scientifico:
non avevo proprio visto l'elenco, probabilmente mi sono fatto
ingannare dallo spazio di schermo dello smartphone.
Se lo vedevo non lo mettevo nemmeno in discussione.

Quello che invece volevo capire è se, la giornata dedicata a OSM
accetta contributi come quelli definiti nella descrizione della
conferenza che mi sembrano molto legati al riuso dei dati o della
mappa attraverso software libero o se si poteva presentare anche
argomenti che vanno in altri ambiti come sociologia, economia e
giurisprudenza.

Es.
- analisi della comunità di osm
- esempi di modelli di business basati su osm
- compatibilità di licenze

Argomenti che erano presenti in osmit.

Tutto qui.

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[OSRM-talk] Expecting time for osrm-contract for planet

[Kieran Caplice]

Hi all,

Could anyone give an approx estimate for the time required to run the 
osrm-contract on planet data on a 12 thread, 256 GB RAM, SSD machine?


The osrm-extract process finished in 232 minutes, but the contract has 
now been running solid for 24 hours, and appears to be stuck at 60% on 
"preprocessing nodes". All 12 cores are generally maxed out, and the 
process is using nearly 90 GB of RAM.


This is the second time I've run the contract process, as my SSH 
connection to the server dropped the first time and the process wasn't 
running in a screen etc, so I assumed after the 40-odd hours it was 
running for, the connection drop caused it to hang, but now I'm not so 
sure. Were there any files I should maybe have cleared before trying to 
run it again?


I'm using the docker image to run the command (using 
osrm/osrm-backend:latest): time docker run -t -v /opt/osrm/data:/data 
osrm/osrm-backend osrm-contract /data/1505492056/planet-latest.osrm


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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Petr Kadlec]

2017-09-21 14:18 GMT+02:00 jzvc :

> jenze viz vejs, nejde o zpusob ulozeni nebo prezentace (ten z pohledu AZ
> je naprosto nezajimavy) ale o to, zda ta data nekdo nejak unikatne
> zpracoval.
>

O způsob uložení jde; databáze je to tehdy a jen tehdy, pokud je to uloženo
systematicky nebo metodicky a takovým způsobem, aby jednotlivé prvky byly
individuálně přístupné (§ 88 AutZ). Tedy např. takový dataset bodů LIDAR
skenu Země, kde si pro každé souřadnice můžu vyčíst zjištěnou nadmořskou
výšku, jistě databází je. Oproti tomu obrázek pohoří, který z těchto dat
vyrenderuju, již databází téměř jistě není.

Pro otázku, zda někdo k té databázi má zvláštní práva pořizovatele, pak
vskutku záleží na tom, zda pořízení, ověření nebo předvedení obsahu
databáze představuje kvalitativně nebo kvantitativně podstatný vklad (§
88a). Avšak i bez této ochrany jde o databázi a ODbL se k nakládání s ní
vyjadřuje (byť jen na úrovni smluvní, nikoli autorskoprávní ochrany).

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Re: [Talk-it] Domanda da nuovo arrivato!

[Stefano]

Il giorno 21 settembre 2017 13:33, Gian Luca Gaiba <
gian.luca.gaib...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Salve a tutti
>
> sono completamente nuovo a openstreetmap
> quindi abbiate pazienza!!!
>
> un semplice domanda:
> se io volessi costruirmi un database delle stazioni dei treni dell’Italia
> come le posso scaricare?
> il tracciato record che mi occorrerebbe sarebbe molto semplice
> nome o id (o eventualmente entrambi)
> latitudine
> longitudine
>
> qualche idea o suggerimento?
>

Se vuoi l'identificatore di Trenitalia basta fare lo scraping del sito di
Viaggiatreno

https://gist.github.com/sabas/2085b389057efbf63e9a740155c4a3d3


>
> grazie
> ciao
> Gian Luca
>
>
Ciao,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-09-20 19:07 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann :

> Don't assume such cases are just a freak anomaly - they are not.  OSM
> and wikidata are two very different projects which developed in very
> different contexts.  Just another example: For most cities and larger
> towns (at least in Germany) there exists an admin_level 6/8 unit with
> the same name and most of these seem to have a single wikidata item
> while in OSM we have two separate concepts for the populated place
> (place=city/town) and the administrative unit (boundary relation with
> boundary=administrative + admin_level=6/8).



+1
This is one of the fields (fundamental to OSM), where wikidata is just a
mess: distinction of geographically localized communities and
administrative territorial entities.

Just a few examples:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q123705 neighbourhood is a subclass of "human
settlement" and "community". So far so good, but then it is also "part of
municipality"?
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2983893 quarter is a subclass of
neightbourhood and administrative territorial entity. And it is an instance
of "designation for an administrative territorial entity".
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q486972 human settlement looks OK at a glance
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q515 city is a subclass of "human
settlement", "administrative territorial entity" and "political territorial
entity" (are these AND or OR?).
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3957 town is a subclass of "human
settlement". It is "part of a country". It was also a subclass of political
territorial entity until today [1]
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q532 village is a subclass of "rural
settlement" and part of "rural area".
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14788575 rural settlement is an instance of
"designation for an administrative territorial entity" and a subclass of
"human settlement"
etc.

Take the town example: it has been for some years a subclass of political
territorial entity and isn't anymore since today. There are tens of
thousands of objects that are all instances of towns according to wikidata.
With one edit all of them have lost their "political territorial entity"
status.


Cheers,
Martin



[1]
https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3957=revision=563002649=552128156
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[Talk-us] New ImproveOSM tiles

[Lacramioara Maghiar - (p)]

Hello US mappers,

New ImproveOSM missing road tiles are available for US! There are 7569 new 
tiles that were added in August 2017.
You are welcome to improve OSM data using these tiles!

You can check the tiles with open status here: 
https://improveosm.org/#background=Bing=6.15/53.105/-107.136

Also, you can find more information about the new tiles here: 
http://blog.improve-osm.org/en/2017/09/new-improveosm-tiles-are-ready-to-be-used/

Happy mapping,
Lacri Maghiar

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Re: [Talk-it] tavoli da pic-nic

[demon.box]

dieterdreist wrote
> quando l'area picnic ha un nome metterei sicuramente il tag picnic_area
> (anche per un solo tavolo) e volendo aggiungerei anche il tavolo stesso
> all'interno, ma non puoi associare il nome dell'area al tavolo.

ciao Martin, scusa ma come ci comportiamo quando non c'è nessun nome o
cartello per l'area picnic ma c'è soltanto 1 tavolo isolato e basta?

grazie

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Re: [OSM-talk] Wheelchair accessibility

[Andy Townsend]

On 21/09/2017 13:19, Clifford Snow wrote:
... which makes it difficult for some people in wheelchairs to access. 
Even though the requirement is there, I would probably mark it as 
inaccessible.


Funnily enough, someone at a recent OSM East Mids meetup mentioned 
exactly that sort of issue - specifically the width of some wheelchairs 
and the difficulty navigating the entrance / exit (not someone _at_ the 
meetup, just someone who happened to be in the same room of the pub).  
I'm pretty sure that I'd struggle to tell whether a bus was "actually 
accessible" or not until I'd actually tried it with a wheelchair.


Other examples of this sort of thing that I'm aware of are a 
barrier/bend in the path combination (1) that is probably doable in most 
wheelchairs but not on a mobility scooter (the problem there is not the 
width of the barrier but that combined with the location) and a crossing 
of a busy road (2) which is likely impassable to both most of the time 
because of the volume of traffic.  I've refrained from adding wheelchair 
tags to either because I don't think I'm best placed to make the 
necessary value judgement about it.


Cheers,

Andy


1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/54.01163/-1.05798
2) http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/54.00467/-1.05569

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Re: [Talk-it] tavoli da pic-nic

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-09-19 16:06 GMT+02:00 Giulio Barba :

> Secondo me è importante che ogni tavolo sia taggato come POI, perché le
> tra le varie applicazioni che trovano POI, che uso moltissimo nel tempo
> libero, ricerco direttamente il POI (es. tavolo da pic-nic, e non l'area.
>


quando l'area picnic ha un nome metterei sicuramente il tag picnic_area
(anche per un solo tavolo) e volendo aggiungerei anche il tavolo stesso
all'interno, ma non puoi associare il nome dell'area al tavolo.

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Re: [Talk-it] Domanda da nuovo arrivato!

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Nella documentazione del già citato overpass trovi anche come ottenere
l'output testo csv
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Re: [Talk-it] itWikiCon a Trento

[Maurizio Napolitano]

Ciao Dario

> E quindi vi chiedo: qualcuno di voi in quei giorni di novembre sarebbe
> disponibile a venire a Trento per illustrarci il funzionamento di JOSM?

Per me molto volentieri, solo che posso dare disponibilità solo per la
giornata di venerdì 17
In ogni caso sarò presente all'evento (ma sempre per il 17).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Wheelchair accessibility

[Clifford Snow]

Seattle has the same requirement that buses and bus stops be wheelchair
accessible. However, on some of the bus stops on steep streets, the ramp
(not sure exactly what's its call) that extends out from the bus, hits the
pavement on one side, but the other end is extended off the pavement which
makes it difficult for some people in wheelchairs to access. Even though
the requirement is there, I would probably mark it as inaccessible.

Clifford

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:25 AM, john whelan  wrote:

> >As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible by
> law.
>
> Unfortunately the law in different countries is not the same.  Locally it
> is not a legal requirement but the province gives partial funding to
> accessible buses.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 21 September 2017 at 03:17, Philip Barnes  wrote:
>
>> As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible by
>> law.
>>
>> They certainly all use low floor kneeling buses locally.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> On 21 September 2017 06:22:06 BST, Maarten Deen  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2017-09-20 23:10, john whelan wrote:
>>>
  I was at a presentation yesterday evening about accessibility, well it
  was free coffee what more can I say?

  All Ottawa buses have two spaces for wheelchairs.  We map wheelchair
  accessible toilets and other things for the map but we currently as
  far as I am aware we don't include information on things that move.

  Should we and how would you do it?

  For example I understand in the UK there are problems at many railway
  stations.  Perhaps mapping railway stations as being wheelchair
  accessible or not would be a start.

>>>
>>> Bus routes (public transport routes in general) get mapped with
>>> weelchair=yes. Totally acceptable to do so to signify that the route is
>>> accesible with a wheelchair.
>>> E.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4257112
>>> I would map public transport nodes and ways (the platform and
>>> stop_position) with wheelchair too.
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Wheelchair accessibility

[Philip Barnes]

I did mean to say 'in the UK'.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On 21 September 2017 13:07:44 BST, Andy Mabbett  
wrote:
>On 21 September 2017 at 08:17, Philip Barnes 
>wrote:
>
>> As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible
>by
>> law.
>
>This very much depends on the jurisdiction.
>
>Please remember that this is a global mailing list.
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[jzvc]

Dne 21.9.2017 v 11:19 Jan Macura napsal(a):

Ahoj,

2017-09-20 23:32 GMT+02:00 Petr Kadlec >:

3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor
nezávislých děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo
metodicky uspořádaných a individuálně přístupných elektronickými
nebo jinými prostředky“), tedy to pochopitelně není ani odvozená
databáze.


tak s tímhle taky moc nesouhlasím. Způsobů reprezentace terénu je mnoho
a některé z nich bych databází určitě nenazval, některé ale klidně ano.



Cus,

jenze viz vejs, nejde o zpusob ulozeni nebo prezentace (ten z pohledu AZ 
je naprosto nezajimavy) ale o to, zda ta data nekdo nejak unikatne 
zpracoval.


Takze zatimco data OSM urcite databazi z pohledu AZ jsou, protoze 
obsahuji spousty ruzne provazanych informaci z mnoha ruznych zdroju, tak 
scan povrchu planety sam o sobe databazi rozhodne neni, a je uplne 
jedno, jestli ho "technicky" jako databazi ulozis nebo prezentujes.


Kdybys ovsem vytvoril (trebas nejakym generatorem) krajinu umelou, tak 
to by databaze (z pohledu AZ) byt mohla.




H.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Wheelchair accessibility

[Andy Mabbett]

On 21 September 2017 at 08:17, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible by
> law.

This very much depends on the jurisdiction.

Please remember that this is a global mailing list.

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Re: [Talk-it] Domanda da nuovo arrivato!

[cesare gerbino]

Ciao Gian Luca,

innanzi tutto benvenuto.

Potresti, per iniziare, dare un'occhiata a come in OSM si definiscono le
stazioni (rif. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3Dstation).

Sempre per iniziare potresti scaricarti le stazioni attualmente mappate in
Italia usando Overpass Turbo https://overpass-turbo.eu/ (rif.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo) usando queste
impostazioni da copiare ed incollare a sx della mappa e poi fare "Esegui"

[out:json][timeout:250];
// fetch area “Italia” to search in
{{geocodeArea:Italia}}->.searchArea;
// gather results
(
  node["railway"="station"](area.searchArea);
);
// print results
out body;
>;
out skel qt;

 ... aspetti un pò e dopo sulla mappa dovresti vedere tutte le stazioni. A
quel punto con "Esporta" puoi esportare i dati in uno dei formati a
disposizione

 Buon lavoro!

 Cesare

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Il giorno 21 settembre 2017 13:33, Gian Luca Gaiba <
gian.luca.gaib...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Salve a tutti
>
> sono completamente nuovo a openstreetmap
> quindi abbiate pazienza!!!
>
> un semplice domanda:
> se io volessi costruirmi un database delle stazioni dei treni dell’Italia
> come le posso scaricare?
> il tracciato record che mi occorrerebbe sarebbe molto semplice
> nome o id (o eventualmente entrambi)
> latitudine
> longitudine
>
> qualche idea o suggerimento?
>
> grazie
> ciao
> Gian Luca
>
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[Talk-it] itWikiCon a Trento

[Dario Crespi]

Carissimi mappari (è la parola giusta? Boh, a me piace :-)

Vi scrivo perché, come alcuni di voi sapranno, dal 17 al 19 novembre Trento
ospiterà la prima WikiCon italofona. Qui la pagina su Meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ItWikiCon/2017

In questi giorni stiamo lavorando al programma e ci sono arrivate delle
richieste per poter seguire un workshop relativo a JOSM.

E quindi vi chiedo: qualcuno di voi in quei giorni di novembre sarebbe
disponibile a venire a Trento per illustrarci il funzionamento di JOSM?

Fatemi sapere e per qualsiasi domanda sono a vostra disposizione.

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Re: [Talk-it] tavoli da pic-nic

[demon.box]

...certo ripensandoci se stò rigidamente al wiki del tourism=picnic_site 
anche se c'è soltanto 1 tavolo per non saper ne leggere ne scrivere, mappo
un'area adeguatamente piccola come

tourism=picnic_site

e poi in mezzo ci metto un nodo con il mio bel 

leisure=picnic_table

e sono a posto... giusto? credo che così sarebbe incontestabile

grazie

--enrico




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Re: [Talk-dk] 20 fejl.

[Emil Tin]

Tak for link til B-Jazz værktøjet.


I dit første eksempel var ensretningerne på Bejsebakkevej vendt forkert. 
Betyder det ikke at der var mulighed for et meget skarpt sving på dette punkt 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=57.02438%2C9.88868%3B#map=19/57.02431/9.88801?

Jeg ville tro det kunne fanges af osrm værktøjet, men det er måske fordi det 
kun kigger på skarpe sving i relation til ramper?





-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Niels Elgaard Larsen [mailto:elga...@agol.dk] 
Sendt: 21. september 2017 13:04
Til: talk-dk@openstreetmap.org
Emne: Re: [Talk-dk] 20 fejl.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 06:58:53 +
Emil Tin  wrote:

> Det kan hjælpe med at identificere fejl i kortet. Det er lavet ved 
> hjælp af OSRM, for baggrund se:
> https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/pull/4160
> 
> Jeg er usikker på om kortet bliver opdateret.


B-Jazz har en forbedret udgave som bliver opdateret:
https://github.com/b-jazz/sharp-turns-onto-ramps/blob/master/maps/europe/denmark.geojson

> 
> Der er også OSM Inspector på:
> 
> https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/


Jeg har kigget på flere af den slags værktøjer.

Hvis fx en ensretning er vendt forkert så kan vi være heldige, at det betyder, 
at der er veje, der ikke kan nås fra resten af vejnettet, og så vil det blive 
opdaget af mange værktøjer.


Men fejlene i mit galleri, er der mig bekendt ikke nogen værktøjer, der kan 
opdage.

Det burde være muligt at opdage nogen af dem automatisk.

Fx en ikke-ensrettet vej, der deler sig i to veje som er ensrettede i samme 
retning og som mødes igen i samme punkt eller rammer den samme vej (rundkørsel.)



> 
> Med venlig hilsen
> 
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> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Niels Elgaard Larsen [mailto:elga...@agol.dk]
> Sendt: 20. september 2017 22:10
> Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark
> Emne: [Talk-dk] 20 fejl.
> 
> Jeg har i de sidste par uger gennemgået rundkørsler, afkørsler og 
> udfletninger i Danmark.
> 
> Jeg har fundet en del ret alvorlige fejl, som alle drejer sig om 
> ensretninger.
> 
> Jeg har lavet et lille galleri med nogle af fejlene:
> 
> https://agol.dk/osm/fejlgal/
> 
> for at illustrere, hvad vi skal blive bedre til at opdage.
> (alle de illustrerede fejl har jeg naturligvis allerede rettet i OSM)
> 
> For mange af fejlene har været der i mange år uden at nogen har 
> opdaget dem.
> 
> Efterhånden som vi forfiner kortet, laver vi flere og flere korte 
> ensrettede vejstykker. Og så er det vigtigt, at vi er meget 
> omhyggelige med at vende ensretningerne rigtigt. For hvis vi gør det 
> forkert, er det tydeligvis svært at opdage. Nok fordi ruteberegnere 
> altid vil rute os udenom problemerne.
> 
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[Talk-it] Domanda da nuovo arrivato!

[Gian Luca Gaiba]

Salve a tutti

sono completamente nuovo a openstreetmap
quindi abbiate pazienza!!!

un semplice domanda:
se io volessi costruirmi un database delle stazioni dei treni dell’Italia
come le posso scaricare?
il tracciato record che mi occorrerebbe sarebbe molto semplice
nome o id (o eventualmente entrambi)
latitudine
longitudine

qualche idea o suggerimento?

grazie
ciao
Gian Luca



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Re: [OSM-talk] Wheelchair accessibility

[john whelan]

>As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible by
law.

Unfortunately the law in different countries is not the same.  Locally it
is not a legal requirement but the province gives partial funding to
accessible buses.

Cheerio John

On 21 September 2017 at 03:17, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible by
> law.
>
> They certainly all use low floor kneeling buses locally.
>
> Phil
>
> On 21 September 2017 06:22:06 BST, Maarten Deen  wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-09-20 23:10, john whelan wrote:
>>
>>>  I was at a presentation yesterday evening about accessibility, well it
>>>  was free coffee what more can I say?
>>>
>>>  All Ottawa buses have two spaces for wheelchairs.  We map wheelchair
>>>  accessible toilets and other things for the map but we currently as
>>>  far as I am aware we don't include information on things that move.
>>>
>>>  Should we and how would you do it?
>>>
>>>  For example I understand in the UK there are problems at many railway
>>>  stations.  Perhaps mapping railway stations as being wheelchair
>>>  accessible or not would be a start.
>>>
>>
>> Bus routes (public transport routes in general) get mapped with
>> weelchair=yes. Totally acceptable to do so to signify that the route is
>> accesible with a wheelchair.
>> E.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4257112
>> I would map public transport nodes and ways (the platform and
>> stop_position) with wheelchair too.
>>
>> Maarten
>>
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[Talk-ca] New ImproveOSM tiles

[Lacramioara Maghiar - (p)]

Hello CA mappers,

In August 2017, 233 new ImproveOSM missing road tiles were made available for 
Canada.
Please feel free to improve OSM data using these tiles!

You can check the tiles with open status here: 
https://improveosm.org/#background=Bing=6.15/53.105/-107.136

Also, you can find more information about the new tiles here: 
http://blog.improve-osm.org/en/2017/09/new-improveosm-tiles-are-ready-to-be-used/

Best,
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Re: [Talk-cz] rozcestniky

[Michal Grézl]

data byla zmigrovana.

postupne se presune vsechno ostatni. dedlajna je unor 2018, do te doby
je zaplaceno vps na wedosu:)

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[OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagguer un bureau d'information de la commune/l'agglo ?

[Francescu GAROBY]

Bonjour,
Tout est quasiment dans le titre du mail : comment tagguer cette "maison du
Tram et des Grands Projets" ? Sachant qu'il s'agit là d'une maison ouverte
au public, destinée à présenter un projet de l'agglomération caennaise
(dont les travaux vont durer 2 ans, donc assez longtemps) + d'autres
"Grands projets", donc sans doute cette maison est-elle destinée à être
pérenne.

http://www.caenlamer.fr/content/la-maison-du-tramway-et-des-grands-projets-ouvre-ses-portes-le-21-septembre-2017-0

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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Petr Kadlec]

2017-09-21 11:19 GMT+02:00 Jan Macura :

> Ahoj,
>
> 2017-09-20 23:32 GMT+02:00 Petr Kadlec :
>>
>> 3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor
>> nezávislých děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo metodicky
>> uspořádaných a individuálně přístupných elektronickými nebo jinými
>> prostředky“), tedy to pochopitelně není ani odvozená databáze.
>>
>
> tak s tímhle taky moc nesouhlasím. Způsobů reprezentace terénu je mnoho a
> některé z nich bych databází určitě nenazval, některé ale klidně ano.
>

Tak jasně. Asi záleží, co kdo rozumí pod pojmem 3D terén. Když to tak
vezmeme, tak databáze OSM je taky v zásadě 3D terén, přitom to zjevně je
databáze. Já si představoval terén ve formátu vhodném pro renderování,
nikoli model vhodný pro další databázové zpracování.

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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Petr Kadlec]

2017-09-21 10:23 GMT+02:00 Pavel Machek :

> On Wed 2017-09-20 23:32:02, Petr Kadlec wrote:
> > 3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor
> nezávislých
> > děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo metodicky uspořádaných a
> > individuálně přístupných elektronickými nebo jinými prostředky“), tedy to
> > pochopitelně není ani odvozená databáze. Řečí ODbL je to „Produced Work“.
>
> Takze podle Tebe 3D teren nepoziva autorskou ochranu, a muze se
> kopirovat volne, bez ohledu na nejake licence?
>

Moment, moment, nic takového jsem neřekl. Říkám, že ODbL obsahuje nějaká
ustanovení týkající se databází a vygenerovaný 3D terén (asi) není
databáze, tedy se tato konkrétní ustanovení na 3D terén neaplikují,
aplikují se na něj jiná, která řeší ty Produced Works.

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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Jan Macura]

Ahoj,

2017-09-20 23:32 GMT+02:00 Petr Kadlec :
>
> 3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor
> nezávislých děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo metodicky
> uspořádaných a individuálně přístupných elektronickými nebo jinými
> prostředky“), tedy to pochopitelně není ani odvozená databáze.
>

tak s tímhle taky moc nesouhlasím. Způsobů reprezentace terénu je mnoho a
některé z nich bych databází určitě nenazval, některé ale klidně ano.

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Re: [Talk-it] tavoli da pic-nic

[demon.box]

...sono andato a rileggermi bene il wiki per tourism=picnic_site 

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dpicnic_site

e la descrizione in inglese dice:

A picnic site is a locality that is pleasant and suitable for outdoors
eating and may have a number of facilities to aid a picnic: toilets, water
tap, BBQ, benches, table with benches and covered pavilions for bad weather
... or may just be a grassy area popular for picnics. 

che tradotto (più o meno) significa:

Un sito per picnic è una località che è piacevole e adatta per mangiare
all'aperto e *può* avere numerosi servizi per aiutare un picnic: servizi
igienici, rubinetto ad acqua, barbecue, panchine, tavola con panchine e
padiglioni coperti per maltempo ... *o può solo essere una zona erbosa
popolare per i picnic.*

quindi ne deduco che:

1 - "può" avere ma non è detto che abbia sempre servizi aggiuntivi per
agevolare un picnic (acqua, barbecue, ecc.)
2 - addirittura un semplice prato abitualmente utilizzato per i picnic può
assere mappato come tourism=picnic_site!!

e l'immagine a corredo del wiki è proprio la situazione che mi mette in
crisi: soltanto 1 tavolo e nient'altro!

vuoi vedere che invece allora devo tornare al ragionamento che avevo sempre
fatto fino a pochi giorni fà e cioè anche un semplice tavolo per picnic è
mappabile come tourism=picnic_site?

fino a pochi giorni fa infatti ho sempre mappato così:

se c'è soltanto 1 tavolo -> tourism=picnic_site su un nodo

se ci sono almeno 2 tavoli -> tourism=picnic_site sull'area (ovviamente
volendo essere più dettagliati, all'interno dell'area posso mappare come
singolo nodo ogni tavolo con leisure=picnic_table, ogni barbecue, ecc. ma
soltanto se sò esattamente quanti sono e dove sono posizionati altrimenti
lascio soltanto tourism=picnic_site sull'area).

questo mio ragionamento si basava sul fatto che (dicevo io) se uno vuole
fare un picnic gli basta anche soltanto un tavolo ed in effetti questo
mio ragionamento, rileggendo meglio il wiki, sembra proprio confermato...!

che ne dite?

grazie ancora.

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[OSM-talk-fr] Questionnaire du DWG à propos des contributions rémunérées et/ou organisées

[Donat ROBAUX]

Bonjour,

Le Data Working Group vient de publier un questionnaire à propos de la
politique à adopter concernant les contributions rémunérées et/ou
organisées versus les contributions à titre individuel et les relations
avec la communauté

A ce propos la question a été soumise par Antoine Riche au CA d'OSM-FR à
propos de l'appel d'offres d'Ile-de-France Mobilités (ex STIF) pour la
carto des aménagements cyclables dans OSM.

Je vous mets le message passé sur la liste talk en anglais. Rassurez-vous,
avec un traducteur automatique on comprend tout et on peut répondre au
questionnaire sans problème.

Donat

*The Data Working Group is conducting a survey as part of its work on a
policy covering paid mapping.

When OpenStreetMap started, it was largely a project of hobbyists
contributing to OSM in their spare time. They chose freely what to map
and which tools to use, and they took individual responsibility for
their contributions.

The continuing growth and popularity of OSM have also brought more and
more organised mapping efforts, mostly in the form of companies setting
up paid data teams to improve OSM data in specific regions or for
specific use cases, but also unpaid groups like school classes that are
directed to work on OSM.

These organised mapping efforts are an integral part of today's OSM
contribution landscape and, when done well, help make OSM better and
more widely known.

In order to ensure good communication, and a level playing field,
between individual community members and organised editing groups, the
OSMF Data Working Group has been tasked with developing guidelines for
organised groups. These guidelines will above all set out some
transparency requirements for organised groups - things that are already
voluntarily followed by most groups today, like informing the mapping
community about which accounts edit for the team.

We have prepared the following survey with a few questions about such a
policy to give us a better understanding of what the mapping community
expects from such a policy. The survey is aimed at everyone editing (or
planning to edit) in OSM, whether as individual mappers or as part of a
team, and your answers will help us in fleshing out a draft policy.

Within the scope of the survey, and the policy to be written, we define
paid mapping (or paid editing) as any editing in OSM performed by
someone who is told by a third party what to map (and potentially also
how to map it) and who receives money in exchange. We define other
organised mapping (or editing) as any editing that is also steered by a
third party, but where no money is paid.

The survey is available at https://osm-dwg.limequery.org/741554
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Re: [osm-ve] OSM Stats

[J . Hernán Ramírez R .]

Interesante ..

Tengo tiempo sin meterle mano al mapa.. pero el crecimiento ha sido
continuo a ver si le aparto una hora semanal..

Gracia por esas estadisticas

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Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela 
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2017-04-06 2:24 GMT-04:00 Wladimir Szczerban :

> Hola a todos,
>
> Aquí les paso un link donde se pueden ver algunas estadísticas de OSM.
>
> https://osmstats.stevecoast.com/dashboard/ve/total
>
>
> --
> Saludos,
>
> Bolo
> www.geoinquiets.cat
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[Dominique Rousseau]

Le Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 10:24:04AM +0200, Christian Quest 
[cqu...@openstreetmap.fr] a écrit:
> Si on veut renormaliser automatiquement on peut toujours le faire en aval
> si on y tient.
> 
> L'intérêt de laisser libre le regroupement avec espace, c'est qu'on permet
> d'ajouter un peu d'humain et cela aide à rendre lisible un numéro qui a été
> choisit pour l'être et qu'un algo ne détectera pas si facilement.
> 
> Exemple: 0 800 801 802 plutôt que 08 00 80 18 02

Il s'agit d'un numéro ayant une portée uniquement nationale, pour le
coup.
(le fil parlait de script pour normaliser les numéros au format
international)

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Re: [Talk-it] tavoli da pic-nic

[girarsi_liste]

Il 21/09/2017 09:36, demon.box ha scritto:
> girarsi_liste wrote
>> L'area definisce l'area, i singoli oggetti sono definiti dai singoli POI.
>>
>> L'area con solo tavoli è diversa dall'area con tavoli servizi ecc.
>> Pertanto la differenza è vista con i tag/POI.
> 
> sì certo sono d'accordissimo ma non è questo che intendevo, provo a porre la
> domanda in modo diverso:
> 
> la presenza SOLTANTO di 1 tavolo da pic-nic può essere considerata una area
> pic-nic?
> 
> secondo me no, siete d'accordo?
> 
> grazie
> 
> --enrico
> 
> 

Per qualcosa di simile io metto landuse=park, perchè è comunque una
specie di area per sostare tranquilli, e metto un nodo sulla posizione
del tavolo con leisure=picnic_table.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[Christian Quest]

Si on veut renormaliser automatiquement on peut toujours le faire en aval
si on y tient.

L'intérêt de laisser libre le regroupement avec espace, c'est qu'on permet
d'ajouter un peu d'humain et cela aide à rendre lisible un numéro qui a été
choisit pour l'être et qu'un algo ne détectera pas si facilement.

Exemple: 0 800 801 802 plutôt que 08 00 80 18 02


Le 21 septembre 2017 à 09:21, Dominique Rousseau  a écrit
:

>
> Oui, il n'y a pas de regle pour la facon de grouper les chiffres, comme
> tu le dis il y a un usage, et parfois on "étonne" quand on déroge à cet
> usage (je donne souvent mon numéro de téléphone en groupant par 3
> chiffres :).
> MAIS, il y a une règle définie dans le wiki OSM concernant le stockage
> des numéros au format international, qui convient plus ou moins selon
> les usages locaux, mais qui n'empêche en rien de reformater les numéros
> stockés.
> (oui, on peut aussi se dire que les numéros stockaés pourraient être
> normalisés automatiquement avant rendu dans un autre format)
>
>
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Re: [Talk-cz] OdBL a komercni vyuziti mapy Re: Import dat do QGisu

[Pavel Machek]

On Wed 2017-09-20 23:32:02, Petr Kadlec wrote:
> 2017-09-15 9:50 GMT+02:00 Vladimír Semotán :
> 
> > díky za reakci. Ten termín "derivative database" je dost zavádějící. Jsou
> > to SHP soubory, které vytvořím z OSM, případně ještě upravím? Asi ano. Ale
> > jsou to i 3D terény, které vygenerujeme?
> >
> 
> 3D terén jistě není databáze (terminologií českého AutZ „soubor nezávislých
> děl, údajů nebo jiných prvků, systematicky nebo metodicky uspořádaných a
> individuálně přístupných elektronickými nebo jinými prostředky“), tedy to
> pochopitelně není ani odvozená databáze. Řečí ODbL je to „Produced Work“.

Takze podle Tebe 3D teren nepoziva autorskou ochranu, a muze se
kopirovat volne, bez ohledu na nejake licence?

Pavel
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[OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] DWG survey on organised editing

[Satoshi IIDA]

いいだです。

OSMFのDWG（Data Working Group, データ作業部会）より、アンケートの依頼が行われました。

内容としては、特定のプロジェクトなどにおいて、有償でデータ編集を行ったり、
あるいは、例えば学校の課題などに代表される組織的な活動を行う際のポリシー策定について、
どのような規約や取り決めを定めてゆくべきか、という内容になっています。

なお、このアンケートで想定される対象は、有償あるいは組織的なマッピングです。
例えばマッピングパーティなどで初心者に対して講習しながら作業する、というような、
小規模でアドホックな集まりに関しては検討の対象外となります。

アンケート調査は、以下のURLから可能です。
The survey is available at https://osm-dwg.limequery.org/741554


また、内容が英語で回答ができない、というかたのために、私家訳ではありますが、
こちらにアンケートの内容について、翻訳を置きました。
参考までにご利用ください。
誤訳などあれば、ご指摘いただけると助かります。

アンケートは選択式になっていて、文字入力するのは「あなたの住んでいる地域は？」の部分だけです。
だいたいのかたは「Japan」と入力いただければ大丈夫と思います。

http://qiita.com/nyampire/items/c801b0bc562436951f9a




-- Forwarded message --
From: Paul Norman 
Date: 2017-09-20 13:51 GMT+09:00
Subject: [OSM-talk] DWG survey on organised editing
To: Talk Openstreetmap 


The Data Working Group is conducting a survey as part of its work on a
policy covering paid mapping.

When OpenStreetMap started, it was largely a project of hobbyists
contributing to OSM in their spare time. They chose freely what to map
and which tools to use, and they took individual responsibility for
their contributions.

The continuing growth and popularity of OSM have also brought more and
more organised mapping efforts, mostly in the form of companies setting
up paid data teams to improve OSM data in specific regions or for
specific use cases, but also unpaid groups like school classes that are
directed to work on OSM.

These organised mapping efforts are an integral part of today's OSM
contribution landscape and, when done well, help make OSM better and
more widely known.

In order to ensure good communication, and a level playing field,
between individual community members and organised editing groups, the
OSMF Data Working Group has been tasked with developing guidelines for
organised groups. These guidelines will above all set out some
transparency requirements for organised groups - things that are already
voluntarily followed by most groups today, like informing the mapping
community about which accounts edit for the team.

We have prepared the following survey with a few questions about such a
policy to give us a better understanding of what the mapping community
expects from such a policy. The survey is aimed at everyone editing (or
planning to edit) in OSM, whether as individual mappers or as part of a
team, and your answers will help us in fleshing out a draft policy.

Within the scope of the survey, and the policy to be written, we define
paid mapping (or paid editing) as any editing in OSM performed by
someone who is told by a third party what to map (and potentially also
how to map it) and who receives money in exchange. We define other
organised mapping (or editing) as any editing that is also steered by a
third party, but where no money is paid.

The survey is available at https://osm-dwg.limequery.org/741554

-- 
Paul Norman
For the OSM Data Working Group


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Re: [Talk-it] tavoli da pic-nic

[demon.box]

girarsi_liste wrote
> L'area definisce l'area, i singoli oggetti sono definiti dai singoli POI.
> 
> L'area con solo tavoli è diversa dall'area con tavoli servizi ecc.
> Pertanto la differenza è vista con i tag/POI.

sì certo sono d'accordissimo ma non è questo che intendevo, provo a porre la
domanda in modo diverso:

la presenza SOLTANTO di 1 tavolo da pic-nic può essere considerata una area
pic-nic?

secondo me no, siete d'accordo?

grazie

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Champs phone : futur projet du mois ?

[Dominique Rousseau]

Le Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 08:36:15AM +0200, Philippe Verdy [verd...@wanadoo.fr] a 
écrit:
> Tout à fait d'accord d'autant que l'usage des espaces pour la lecture
> humaine est standardisé et ne gêne absolument pas la lecture automatisée.
> 
> Et non ce n'est pas une question de rendu, car un rendu qui ajouterait les
> espaces les mettra n'importe où, et pas de la façon dont on lit
> habituellement un numéro ; non il n'y a PAS de règle imposant les
> groupements sur 2 chiffres en France

[...]

Oui, il n'y a pas de regle pour la facon de grouper les chiffres, comme
tu le dis il y a un usage, et parfois on "étonne" quand on déroge à cet
usage (je donne souvent mon numéro de téléphone en groupant par 3
chiffres :).
MAIS, il y a une règle définie dans le wiki OSM concernant le stockage
des numéros au format international, qui convient plus ou moins selon
les usages locaux, mais qui n'empêche en rien de reformater les numéros
stockés.
(oui, on peut aussi se dire que les numéros stockaés pourraient être
normalisés automatiquement avant rendu dans un autre format)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Wheelchair accessibility

[Philip Barnes]

As far as I am aware, all bus routes have to be wheelchair accessible by law.

They certainly all use low floor kneeling buses locally.

Phil

On 21 September 2017 06:22:06 BST, Maarten Deen  wrote:
>On 2017-09-20 23:10, john whelan wrote:
>> I was at a presentation yesterday evening about accessibility, well
>it
>> was free coffee what more can I say?
>> 
>> All Ottawa buses have two spaces for wheelchairs.  We map wheelchair
>> accessible toilets and other things for the map but we currently as
>> far as I am aware we don't include information on things that move.
>> 
>> Should we and how would you do it?
>> 
>> For example I understand in the UK there are problems at many railway
>> stations.  Perhaps mapping railway stations as being wheelchair
>> accessible or not would be a start.
>
>Bus routes (public transport routes in general) get mapped with 
>weelchair=yes. Totally acceptable to do so to signify that the route is
>
>accesible with a wheelchair.
>E.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4257112
>I would map public transport nodes and ways (the platform and 
>stop_position) with wheelchair too.
>
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Re: [OSM-ja] 9/23 東京！街歩かない！マッピングパーティ（もくもく会）を開催について

[Satoshi IIDA]

 いいだです。

告知ありがとうございます。
直前になってしまいましたが、osm.jpにも掲載しました。

https://openstreetmap.jp/node/833

当日、よろしくお願いします (/･ω･)/



2017年9月21日 15:55 Takahisa TAGUCHI :

> 田口です。
>
> 以前にもお知らせさせていただきましたが、今週末東京でもくもく会を
> 開催いたしますので、リマインドを兼ねてもう一度告知させていただきます。
>
> 今のところ次のような話題で盛りあがりそうです。
>
> ・Mapillary の写真からマッピング
> ・JOSMプラグイン "EasyPresets" について
> ・東京！街歩き！マッピングパーティ でサーベイした場所をコンプリート！
>
> ゆるく開催していますので、ぜひお気軽にご参加下さい
>
> 東京！街歩かない！マッピングパーティ3 ＠渋谷
> 日時：2017/9/23(土) 13:30〜
> 場所：びぎねっと会議室
> https://connpass.com/event/65964/
>
> よろしくお願いします。
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