Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 7 March 2012 09:16, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If there really are people actively remapping and our rushing through the license change would sabotage their work and alienate them then yes, we should postpone for a month or two. Sadly, here in Germany many people are of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What happens on April 1?

2012-03-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 March 2012 16:57, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 07/03/12 15:45, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I was wondering why people think that.  Even trying to put myself in place of someone who thinks the license change is the best thing since sliced bread I still can't see the reasons

Re: [OSM-talk] iPhoto for iOS Not Using Google Maps

2012-03-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 March 2012 01:06, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Spod wrote: http://512pixels.net/iphoto-for-ios-not-using-google-maps/ http://www.refnum.com/tmp/apple.html (thanks Dair!) will show you the tiles they're using. Seems to be TIGER in the States but OSM in lots of other

Re: [OSM-talk] FourSquare and OSM

2012-03-02 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 2 March 2012 23:00, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: does this mean that OSM API is not usefull for integration? What Toby says is they don't need to use the API. They source the tiles from mapbox, who in turn use the OSM planet files or diffs as their interface to OSM. And they use

Re: [Talk-es] Guía de importación de datos del Catastro.

2012-03-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2012/3/1 Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández cruz.bor...@deusto.es: En la wiki se está haciendo por provincia y creo que no es mala idea hacerlo así. Eso no quita para que una misma persona pueda gestionar más de una provincia si se ve capacitado :P Para que quede claro no estoy de acuerdo

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2012-02-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/2/29 Jorge Sanz Sanfructuoso sanc...@gmail.com: El 29 de febrero de 2012 13:17, Xavier Martin xavier...@gmail.com escribió: jeje, todo muy técnico y muy teórico... pero... Yo por ahora estoy dejando las exportaciones en la wiki con los resultados, pero... no hay nada que me impida

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2012-02-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/2/22 Ander Pijoan ander.pij...@deusto.es: Recordad que estamos mas o menos pendientes de si hay alguna mejor forma para el tag natural=water para denominar aguas artificiales, pozos, piscinas, depósitos... Existe el tag landuse=reservoir que es justamente para aguas artificiales y en su

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 18 February 2012 00:43, TC Haddad tchad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Sounds like a problem for the renderer to solve.  It's possible for renderers to easily create abbreviations when full words are not desired, but impossible

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-02-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 15 January 2012 14:35, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already

Re: [Talk-us] Analysis of US road network and TIGER status

2012-02-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 17 February 2012 01:04, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 2/16/2012 6:38 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: I did an state-by-state and county-by-county analysis of the road network in the US. I focused particularly on TIGER and user-related metrics. Results (with maps of course) are here:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 February 2012 12:53, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: While I've expressed my displeasure with every revision of the CTs after 1.0 for exactly your reasoning, I don't believe that the situation is quite as bad as you paint it. Come April the 1st the only extra string attached to data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 February 2012 18:17, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 13.02.2012 17:44, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: (I assume you mean CC-By-SA) Simon, I would like to know what your interpretation of the current Contributor Terms version is, I know what LWG's interpretation is from their meeting

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing imagery

2012-02-12 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 11 February 2012 01:33, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 04:03:01 Douglas Musaazi wrote: Don't forget- sometimes Bing imagery is not accurately aligned.  You should double-check the alignment of the images before tracing from them.  Potlatch and

Re: [Talk-es] abrir JOSM con un tamaño de ventana determinado?

2012-02-12 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/2/12 sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: existe la posibilidad de abrir JOSM con un tamaño de ventana determinado? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es Según java -jar

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-10 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 10 February 2012 10:47, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: I honestly found it strange that RichardF would insist on 80n selecting one of the options.. really, what's the point? It's a courtesy thing. If you're going to refuse, have the decency to say

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2012-02-10 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Holas, 2012/2/11 Xavier xavier...@gmail.com: Hay un desplazamiento global hacia el SO con respecto a lo publicado (ver 2ª imagen) Esto es el resultado en bruto según se exportó sobre linux y JOSM: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5474354/aveinte-cat.png Aqui se observa mejor el

Re: [OSM-talk] Contact And Remap Campaign

2012-02-09 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 9 February 2012 06:17, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Graham Jones wrote I completely agree - we should assume that no response is equivalent to consent - if they complain about this action we can delete their data when they show enough interest to actually decline the

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

2012-02-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 February 2012 05:47, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: andrzej wrote my personal appeal is that you spend the time between now and April 1 mapping one of the so many blank spots in OSM I totally disagree, There are real people out there actually using OSM Data for car

Re: [Talk-us] Remapping tips

2012-02-06 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 February 2012 00:27, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/6/2012 6:19 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: So, you are implying that nothing further can be done after April 1st?  If the remapping can't be completed by then, OSM is doomed?  I agree that you are being overly pessimistic.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-02-02 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 2 February 2012 15:11, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: Yes, of course, I think it is Mike DuPont who said give away.  But obviously we're talking about the grant of rights. Yes, every open soruce license is a grant of rights, as that's the basic definition

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The Copyright of Split Ways

2012-01-31 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 January 2012 15:21, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: (I thought it is i-i+j, at least in JOSM it was up to some point) It is. But it's very difficult to extract that with certainty from a non-trivial changeset. Add enough splits, and you may find i

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-31 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi Robert, On 31 January 2012 21:53, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: andrzej zaborowski schrieb: I'm not sure if I would have joined OSM in the first place if it had not used this wikipedia model at this time, same as I haven't contributed (more than bug reports) to FSF or Mozilla owned

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone want to team up to work on Austin, Texas (was LA and other license changeover challenged areas)

2012-01-31 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 31 January 2012 18:51, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Looks like about 4% of Austin was balrog-kun; I'm in the process of tagging that odbl=clean right now per his previous request. I don't believe I made any non-automatic edits in TX, and those are already considered clean by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The Copyright of Split Ways

2012-01-30 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 30 January 2012 12:13, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: There's no reason for such vodoo logic. A way split or merge can be determined from looking at a changeset. A changeset in which a chain of nodes is removed from one way and added to another, new way

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/1/29 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: I sort-of feel responsible for my areas of the map, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it my data. I contribute to this map, because I want free and open Geodata, for that to occur you need to put your data into the hands of the community of

Re: [Talk-es] Fwd: Night of the living maps - in spain?

2012-01-29 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/1/29 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: On Sábado, 28 de Enero de 2012 21:40:02 Jonay Santana escribió:   Bueno, pues ya hay una versión preliminar, si alguien que esté un poco más fresco le echa un ojo, por mí encantado de las mejoras que puedan añadir. Ciao. P.D.: Igual mañana

Re: [Talk-es] ¿regiones?

2012-01-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/1/27 sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: es un problema de jerarquías en la interpretación del place=* la traducción literal de región (place=region) da lugar a un objeto con jerarquía superior a la que debe y resulta en que el nominatim le da preferencia, rompiendo los

Re: [Talk-es] ¿regiones?

2012-01-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2012/1/27 sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: El 27/01/2012, a las 14:10, bv2mu...@uco.es escribió: sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com escribió: es un problema de jerarquías en la interpretación del place=* la traducción literal de región (place=region) da lugar

Re: [Talk-es] Rediseñando openstreetmap.org

2012-01-22 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2012/1/22 Adrián Mato Gondelle yens...@gmail.com: ¡Buenas chicos y encantado de participar en esta lista! Empecé a conocer este proyecto a raíz de unos tweets de la gente de Vizzuality y he visto que podría echaros un cable en renovar y aportar trabajo en la parte de 

Re: [Talk-es] losing admin-boundary

2012-01-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi Jan, 2012/1/21 Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Ola ! He visto el Balrog-kun del usuario [1], el lizenzverweigert - pero muchas limitaciones [2] Fuente BDLL25, EGRN, Instituto Nacional Geográfico ha registrado en OpenStreetMap. Puede guardar los datos de alguna manera. You have

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Implementing the licence change

2012-01-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 January 2012 21:48, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 18.01.2012 23:49, Frederik Ramm wrote: They are not known. A mailing list has been created (the rebuild list) to discuss how exactly the database rebuild is going to happen, and in I didn't know about that list - I'll join it.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

2012-01-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 January 2012 13:03, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/1/16 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: The OSMF seems determined to avoid any edge cases by being very conservative. Is that necessary? I'm pretty sure not, but it's what we're going to have to live with. +1 Are

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

2012-01-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 18 January 2012 23:33, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 01/18/2012 05:46 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: In one of the cases I'm talking about, those people never had the intention to deal with OpenStreetMap, they had a similar project to OSM under CC-By-SA long before OSM existed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Mixing OSM and FOSM data

2012-01-18 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 18 January 2012 17:22, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: If these people's contributions to those objects were 'negligeable' then reverting those objects may hardly have an effect. They show green so we don't have to waste precious time 'fixing' them. If what those people contributed is not

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM downtime as protest against SOPA?

2012-01-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 17 January 2012 01:19, Sven Clement sven.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Hey! Why not reconfigure mapnik to render the US boundary polygon with a black fill during the sopablackout? Would send a message without influencing HOT ;) It would be tricky because the affected tiles would have to be

Re: [Talk-us] name expansion bot (Re: Imports information on the wiki)

2012-01-15 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 15 January 2012 14:35, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/15/2012 8:28 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Actually the script also expanded the W to West. But my point is that it is a TIGER entry error, and any future script needs to take into account that these exist and people may have already

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 January 2012 22:50, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:44:30PM -0700, Martijn van Exel wrote: I do that too. There is of course a small chance of the decliner changing his or her mind, so I only delete data that is tainted by a decliner that I have

Re: [Talk-us] Getting ready for the license change

2012-01-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 14 January 2012 01:19, Andrew Cleveland evil.salt...@gmail.com wrote: So every TIGER way in the western US will require the odbl=clean tag? No, the bot edits are assumed by LWG to not deserve protection, plus additionally all the related changesets are on Frederik Ramm's whitelist which I

Re: [Talk-us] User adding many Safeway grocery stores, with ref number in name

2012-01-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 January 2012 19:51, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 1/8/2012 1:31 PM, Toby Murray wrote: He has done good work mapping several Safeway subsidiaries throughout the US. But yeah I agree the store number should go in the ref tag. We don't really care about internal Safeway naming

Re: [OSM-talk] The aim of OpenStreetView

2012-01-06 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 6 January 2012 12:04, LM_1 flukas.robot+...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What is the aim of OpenStreetView - Is it a potential Google StreetView counterpart intended for viewing by general public (And therefore all photos must be nice, high technical quality, blue sky, around noon) ORIs it a help

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 27 December 2011 15:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 12/27/11 14:53, andrzej zaborowski wrote: * treat any tags contributed by a non-agreeing mapper as harmless if  these tags are not present any more in the current version Did you manage to address your example of a user

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] There is no copyright on way tags like street names

2011-12-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 28 December 2011 01:49, fk270...@fantasymail.de wrote: Tomorrow, I am planning to walk along streets which have been marked in red on the OSM Inspector. Mainly for exercise, not only for legal reasons. These streets exist for about 100 years and everybody who walks there needs to add

Re: [Talk-es] edificio dentro de otro y edificio con torre

2011-12-23 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/12/23 sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: Bueno este caso es interesante.. y habría que dejar claro la realidad que representa. A mi entender lo que dice andrzej se corresponde a dos cosas distintas: 1 - edificio dentro de otro El mapeo es igual que el ejemplo de antes,

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-22 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 21 December 2011 15:06, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: On 13 December 2011 23:03, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: What are the precise, numeric criteria for proceeding? At the moment even by a vague definition I don't see how one could describe it as a critical mass.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 20 December 2011 21:27, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Dear All, LWG would like feedback on a couple of items relating to cleaning tainted data as we all prepare for the data base transition. Draft minutes are here.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] feedback requested

2011-12-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 21 December 2011 12:43, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: andrzej zaborowski balrogg@... writes: - is a mapper declaration of odbl=clean interesting and helpful in reconciling the data base? Definitely, and I think odbl=no would also be useful to mark objects that are known to come from ODbL

Re: [OSM-talk] Editing of content that will be deleted on April 1st

2011-12-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 13 December 2011 23:03, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: [...] What are the precise, numeric criteria for proceeding? At the moment even by a vague definition I don't see how one could describe it as a critical mass. I'm responding to this old thread because now I think

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2011-12-21 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/12/21 Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com: No lo ignores, haced caso a sergio y al pirado de jynus y no repitáis etiquetas del multipolígono en las vías. Un jardin o una valla no es un edificio, sino lo que hay entre el outer y el inner. Me refiero al caso donde la subparcela tiene dentro otra

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2011-12-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/12/20 Ander Pijoan ander.pij...@deusto.es: Os hemos preparado un archivo comprimido con todo lo que se supone hace falta para lanzar el .jar a ver si así conseguís un resultado. paginaspersonales.deusto.es/cruz.borges/cat2osm.zip Solo tendríais que instalar FWTools, el script debería 

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2011-12-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/12/20 sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com: El 20/12/2011, a las 13:44, Ander Pijoan escribió: Todavía sigue generando unos warnings en josm. El de los elementos lineales no cerrados que están llevándose el tag multipolygon estamos ya trabajando en el. Pero el que no

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 December 2011 14:02, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: OSM is very different than Wikipedia in many areas, for example Wikipedia doesn't really distribute its data for use in other projects (commercial or other)  and in so far doesn't have as large responsibility towards downstream data

Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta de fusión de los datos actuales con el catastro

2011-12-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hola, acabo de leerme todo el hilo y el hilo en osm-dev, antes me asustaba por lo largo que es :) 2011/12/16 Ander Pijoan ander.pij...@deusto.es: Hola, Una vez mas os traemos los avances semanales del proyecto. Os adjuntamos el resultado de Aldeaseca de Alba y hemos dejado durante el fin de

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM render for mobile

2011-12-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 December 2011 15:25, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: hi all we has successfully deploy the global map in osmosa.net :) 1 week more for osm2psql, and 4 days for tile generator now, we want to make it run on mobile phone and table, a touch oriented i can see the sliipy map's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] instead of replacing data can I just revert to the last known clean version?

2011-12-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 December 2011 12:12, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Frederik Ramm frederik@... writes: I am experimenting with using the tag odbl=clean for this, I guess ct=clean would be better since there may be data which is usable under the CTs but is not yet distributable under ODbL+DbCL.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] An example of the complications inherent in determining tainted ways

2011-12-15 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
[changing lists] On 15 December 2011 13:30, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 15/12/2011 13:17, David Groom wrote: Yes it should be considered a break, because in that case you know what the source for moving the nodes was. Good. Now do the license change impact auditing tools

Re: [OSM-talk] Transition to CC-4 instead of destroying data

2011-12-15 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 15 December 2011 16:42, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Henk Hoff toffehoff at gmail.com writes: Looking at the current situation, the ODbL is a step forward from the current CC-BY-SA 2.0. When (in due time) CC4 proofs to be a better license then ODbL, we could change to this license. If

Re: [OSM-talk] ODBL Status Garmin Maps

2011-12-15 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
The subject should rather say CT-acceptance status Garmin map, as the map is not based on ODbL compatibility but rather on CT-acceptance. ODbL compatibility is not implied by CT version 1.2.4 acceptance. Not because someone clicked accept fraudulently, but because its text doesn't really require

Re: [OSM-talk] Who mapped it first with ref to forth coming deletions - implication

2011-12-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 14 December 2011 20:14, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 14-12-2011 19:32, Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:15 PM, john whelanjwhelan0...@gmail.com  wrote: So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted since we can't be sure who entered or

Re: [Talk-us] Now you can see how much vandalism the OSMF will carry out on April Fools

2011-12-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi Grant, On 14 December 2011 21:48, Humphries, Grant humph...@trimet.org wrote: It was mentioned balrog-kun’s automated edits are exempted from being reverted.  Can anyone expand on that or point me in the direction to find more information about this?  Does anyone have an idea of what

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

2011-12-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 December 2011 11:52, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Remapping means 'replacing with new content'. It does not mean simply copying the old content - that might infringe the original mapper's rights. Is that statement even correct? If editing old content after May 12 doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

2011-12-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 December 2011 22:30, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/13/2011 4:25 PM, john whelan wrote: The intentions don't matter here, its to be able to defend the new licensing / copyright in court you need to show all the content has come from people who have accepted the new

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

2011-12-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 December 2011 22:03, Graham Jones grahamjones...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, it sounds mad, and I find it hard to believe that 'we' would do this.   Surely we need to apply a bit of pragmatism to  this and think about 'reasonableness'? I can see that it is reasonable to delete the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License Change View on OSM Inspector

2011-12-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 13 December 2011 22:46, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Am 13.12.2011 20:59, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: There is no difference in terms of acceptability under the ODBL+CT. Such copying is either OK or not. Even in law exists the distinction between crimes done willingly and

Re: [Talk-es] say yes to new licence

2011-12-10 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi Jan, 2011/12/10 Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net:  hi! http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/balrog-kun import the boundarys in andalucia - but he say no ! I think the boundaries are safe from deletion, LWG says automated edits don't need Contributor Terms agreement. In any circumstance if

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright status of OSM map data - publishable memo for USA

2011-12-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 8 December 2011 15:30, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: * If the map is considered to be a compilation then all contributors, as joint authors, have joint copyright ownership. The hanging question in my mind is, if we assume, for

Re: [OSM-talk] Friends

2011-12-02 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 2 December 2011 23:03, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I have thought might not be too hard to code up and provide some use would be to have a Recent edits by my friends page that just accumulates recent edits by your friends onto one page and displays it with bboxes like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Retain PD mapper's contributions?

2011-11-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 27 November 2011 14:10, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Mike N. wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: there are some people whose edits we know we can keep somehow (even if someone has to manually copy them and upload under their own account) Is this a way that we might be able to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Retain PD mapper's contributions?

2011-11-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 27 November 2011 15:14, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: Honestly both solutions are kind of ugly because they mess up edits history.  If some data is PD then it should be possible to just retain it in the event of a license change, the SQL query

Re: [Talk-es] Dudas de uso josm

2011-11-02 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2011/11/2 Agustín O. aorc0...@sauce.pntic.mec.es: talk-es-requ...@openstreetmap.org escribió: * el otro día dibujé mi primera carretera, el Puerto Núñez, en la provincia de Madrid (parte de la primera carretera Madrid-Valencia, ya en desuso en las inmediaciones de Perales de Tajuña) e

Re: [Talk-es] bajar objetos por tag

2011-09-09 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/9/9 Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com: El día 9 de septiembre de 2011 16:41, sergio sevillano sergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com escribió: ¿cual es la manera mas fácil de bajarme objetos de osm con un determinado key=value? ¿se puede desde josm o bien un archivo .osm que contenga solo esos

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 24 August 2011 16:35, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I'm a little puzzled by this. Asserting that one's contributions are in the public domain is saying, in the words of the disclaimer used on Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Refusing CT but declaring contributions as PD

2011-08-24 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 24 August 2011 17:56, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: But probably the buck would stop with the OSMF. Distributing data just because somebody on the web said it was PD has a high likelihood of being considered negligent. I don't really see the issue. Almost everything OSMF uses or Linux

Re: [Talk-es] yes to the new licence for the boundaries

2011-08-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/8/17 Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: i see in josm that balrog-kun did not say yes to the new licence - but he imports the boundaries like http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45326841 !!! isn't it time to call him ? I can hear you, don't shout :) At the moment I can't accept

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] I want my access back

2011-08-11 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 05:07:15PM +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: If all your contributions can be considered CC0/PD, then you grant all right to everybody who wants to use the data, so your statements are definitely in conflict with themselves. Nobody in our friendly OSM community can help your

Re: [OSM-talk] Id stability

2011-08-01 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 1 August 2011 09:52, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:21:44 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: (Two or three people have also started tagging OSM objects with UUID tags but I don't think that that's anything more than database bloat. I think that about 99.9% of UUID tags

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 27 July 2011 12:01, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Increasingly you can treat St as a valid spelling of the word saint, rather than merely an abbreviation. No (educated) native English speaker would write a placename with 'Saint', and every native English speaker would

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-26 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 27 July 2011 04:04, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 July 2011 10:40, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Yes, it is called Saint Albans, written St Albans, except where some websites seem to have expanded it. e.g. http://www.meteoprog.co.uk/en/weather/SaintAlbans/

Re: [OSM-talk] Orphaned Relations

2011-07-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 17 July 2011 23:55, Sarah Hoffmann lon...@denofr.de wrote: I recently stumbled upon some empty route relations, so I had a closer look at the OSM planet and found that there are about 10.000 orphaned relations in the database and the number is growing. With orphaned I mean relations

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 July 2011 11:29, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 19:23, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Yes, thats the consensus and has been for a long time. Some mappers always disagree, just ignore them.

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 July 2011 19:50, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 July 2011 23:33, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: In some cases, the official name is with the abbreviation, eg St. George Bank in Australia and there is a town named St. George. Still you say Saint George

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-19 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 19 June 2011 12:31, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2011 20:24, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 11:37, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2011 20:35, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 17 June 2011 16:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database rights, patents or DRM, which would prevent their uses. News to me

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 17 June 2011 17:17, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2011 16:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 16:39, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1. IIRC the newer versions of CC-By-SA include statements to ensure that the content is not protected by database

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, (this is offtopic, I know) On 17 June 2011 16:06, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/17/11 11:18, John Smith wrote: Only if the amount of data traced is not substantial. CC-by-SA makes no such distinction, it's either cc-by-sa or it's not cc-by-sa, so which license can tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] transparent road layer

2011-06-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Thanks for the summary. On 16 June 2011 16:32, Rob Truxler rtrux...@gmail.com wrote: geoiq has a nice road layer that is very simple, no icons, just white roads with legible labels. Depending on your application, the simplicity of the acetate road layer can be appealing:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 June 2011 14:47, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any

Re: [OSM-talk] Navigon to Sell OpenStreetMap POIs Packages for PNDs

2011-06-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 14 June 2011 15:29, Jonas Krückel jona...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 14.06.2011 um 14:29 schrieb davespod: http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/Navigon-Add-22-Million-POIs-To-SatNav-Devices--1060.php An interesting development. If I understand things correctly (and assuming CC-by-SA holds

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Navigon to Sell OpenStreetMap POIs Packages for PNDs

2011-06-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 14 June 2011 15:51, Jonas Krückel jona...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 14.06.2011 um 15:43 schrieb andrzej zaborowski: On 14 June 2011 15:29, Jonas Krückel jona...@googlemail.com wrote: Once we move on to ODbL however, this will change and we will get the much more interesting 'raw' data

Re: [Talk-es] Deja Vu

2011-06-08 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
2011/6/8 Maria Arias de Reyna mar...@emergya.es: ¿Y OSM tiene datos de altura normalmente? Aparte de subirnos a una azotea con un GPS, ¿tenemos fuentes para meterlo? ¿Cómo, cuando, dónde, quien? Muchos guardan el numero de plantas en los tags de edificios, de ahi se aproxima la altura en los

Re: [OSM-talk] Airspace Co.

2011-06-07 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 7 June 2011 13:58, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: The best long term solution to this, and other problems, would be to have better facilities for creating and integrating overlays. Just like Wikipedia solved some of its scoping problems by telling people to stick it all on Wikia,

Re: [Talk-us] note to abbreviation bot authors

2011-05-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 May 2011 06:09, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i recently spent some quality time doing tiger review in a community that has a rather straightforward naming system for its avenues. it starts with A Avenue to the south and steps through the alphabet as the avenues appear to

Re: [Talk-us] note to abbreviation bot authors

2011-05-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 16 May 2011 17:56, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/16/11 11:10 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 16 May 2011 06:09, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.net  wrote: i recently spent some quality time doing tiger review in a community that has a rather straightforward naming

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license for Wiki Loves Monuments

2011-05-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 14 May 2011 18:49, Kolossos tim.al...@s2002.tu-chemnitz.de wrote: This september will be a relative large event from Wikimedia-side across europe: Wiki Loves Monuments. It is a public photo contest around monuments (overview of the cultural heritage, also small houses) and we will create

Re: [OSM-talk] Three-dimensional aerial imagery

2011-05-14 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 14 May 2011 18:16, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I saw this news story about how three-dimensional aerial photos, viewed with special glasses, make it easier to pick out structures on the ground. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13359064 I wonder if any such 3-d imagery is available

Re: [Talk-es] Relaciones de Relaciones...

2011-05-13 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Holas, 2011/5/13 Jonas Andradas j.andra...@gmail.com: He visto la relación propuesta Multipart [1], pero según la wiki sus miembros son nodos o vías, no relaciones. Y he visto la relación propuesta Collected_Ways que, aunque por nombre no creo que sea la correcta, en teoría sí permite que

Re: [Talk-es] osm-3D y http://www.openstreetmap.es (no .com)

2011-05-05 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Buenas, 2011/5/4 Sara MC ekk...@gmail.com: Buenas a todos, entiendo que la prioridad es tener al menos datos 2D en OSM, pero, curiosidades y dudas (por si alguien en su momento ya buscó):  http://www.osm-3d.org/map.htm  ¿no comparte datos con OSM? Porque por ejemplo todo lo que hicimos en

Re: [Talk-es] Google copia el sistema de OpenStreetMap

2011-04-20 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hola, 2011/4/20 bicifamiliar i...@bicifamiliar.org: a raiz de este tema se me ocurre una pregunta. ¿Existe en OSM alguna opción similar a marcar para seguimiento como en los artículos de la wikipedia, con su correspondiente lista de seguimiento? En WP es muy útil para seguir el devenir de un

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 17 April 2011 11:39, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: It would seem to me that anyone who has agreed to the contributor terms and who then edits content that is published by OSM is in breach of the CC-BY-SA license. Currently the OSM database is published as a CC-BY-SA work.  If that content

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Rights granted to OSMF (Section 2 of the CT)

2011-04-17 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
On 18 April 2011 07:26, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Thanks Grant, I understand what the OSMF stands for, and my question was maybe unclear: What does this phrase (about the transferred rights )in the contributor terms mean: From CT 1.2.4/2

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Per discussione andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 16 April 2011 10:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 04/16/2011 02:05 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: At this point it's only known that there's an unspecified non-zero part of the community which wants OSM to switch license.  Not everyone needs to be true to that part

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