Re: [OSM-talk] Hitting reset on talk-au

2011-07-12 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 10:16 +0100, Dave F. wrote: On 11/07/2011 17:56, Mikel Maron wrote: Everyone This thread was on the topic of the atmosphere of the Australian community and talk-au, -Mikel on behalf of Talk Moderators Then, as a moderator, you should give Steve C. a

Re: [talk-au] Going separate ways

2011-07-10 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 15:02 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I think it's reasonably obvious by now that the two sides in this debate aren't ever going to be reconciled. I guess that depends on your definition of reconciled. It's not exclusively an .au problem, but it is mostly. If you look

Re: [talk-au] Going separate ways

2011-07-10 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 06:53 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: Besides all the flames and smoke, what are the real issues here? I think that we dont need to continue this endless discussion. Lets just stop the fighting and do something more productive. I think a main issue here, comes down to what

Re: [talk-au] Going separate ways

2011-07-10 Per discussione David Murn
Hi Nick, Just a quick note that my understanding is those figures are generated based on v1 history, none of the bot edits would have been v1 unless they created a new entity, not just a new/modified tag. David On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 15:09 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: Hi Mark, Yes if we

Re: [talk-au] missing messages

2011-07-08 Per discussione David Murn
You may have messages filtered, but I indeed have noticed a lot of missing messages, and often messages that are missing but arrive a few hours late, after Ive already seen the responses to them. I have no blocks or filters, that would be stupid since I am actually interested in following all

Re: [talk-au] ATTN Steve Coast st...@asklater.com RE Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-08 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 00:51 -0700, All Blokes wrote: I would not in any way presume to speak for any other Australians other than myself, but I object most strenuously to the implication that I have in some way been perverted by 80n or any other person at all. FWIW, Id like to point out that

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-07 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 08:11 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: Why did you stop then? Is there no aerial imagery where you are other than nearmap? Theres this thing in Australia called loyalty. You seem to understand very little about Australian culture. Its almost the height of rudeness after someone

Re: [talk-au] Active Australian OSM contributors in light of CT/license changes

2011-07-06 Per discussione David Murn
As others have said.. 1) Ive moved to fosm since the lockout 2) Im feeling pretty disillusioned at the whole thing, and seriously wonder if its not worth just paying 5 bucks for a map that I cannot share, rather than deal with the politics of a staggered mapping project 3) Ive made a couple of

Re: [talk-au] Very cheap Garmin Vista Hcx - legit?

2011-07-06 Per discussione David Murn
The URLs you sent didnt work here, but personally Ive bought a few GPS receivers from dealextreme.com Theyre a hong kong based business but have free shipping and low prices. I think my GPS data logger cost about $15 there. Most of their LCD GPS units simply run windows CE so you simply have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-05 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 23:35 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de: Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Yahoo aerials will not be available after September 13, 2011

2011-06-25 Per discussione David Murn
Maybe someone should suggest to SteveC if he's looking for spots Bing can update, is the parts that yahoo are removing. Oh well, as long as OSM still has Microsofts products to help, everythings all good.. Microsoft will never change/shutdown their service once theyve burned the bridges with

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 20:50 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 23 June 2011 18:41, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/06/2011 21:22, Mike Dupont wrote: did you see this? http://www.archive.org/download/SharedMap2/index.html That's nice. Just a thought: shouldn't there be some

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:22 +0200, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: @Eugene Please do not extend the discussion with incompatible examples. My example fits exactly the description of what is called forking: Try

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash cookies

2011-06-22 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 12:08 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Markus Lindholm wrote: But there's no need to store them on the client, as all users have to log in the preferences can be stored server-side. Atleast I throw away all cookies when I close the browser. That works for osm.org but

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:17 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone involved in running Google Map Maker were to post a similar message. Hey, don't like how things go in OSM? Why not come to Google Map Maker where all license issues are solved! Except that a) Map

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 13:49 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: Personally I hope as soon as possible. I suspect it will be nice to give you 'no' guys some time to reconsider, as some already have. Such a pity you dont extend the same feelings to those 'yes guys' who wish to change their acceptance.

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Per discussione David Murn
in the first place. David On 6/22/2011 4:22 PM, David Murn wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:17 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I wonder what would happen if someone involved in running Google Map Maker were to post a similar message. Hey, don't like how things go in OSM? Why not come to Google Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it a temporary file or Derivative Database under ODbL

2011-06-21 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 22:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Just like we have a tagging list for tagging-specific discussions. So if someone decided to change every highway=track into highway=unclassified or decided to mass-change aerodrome into airport, would that be an issue for tagging (since it

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 06:55 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Ok. How do you fancy volunteering to be the person who posts the concrete information, then? You seem to be under the impression that magic communication fairies will crop up and make everything ok. It doesn't work like that.

Re: [talk-au] JohnSmith edits on 19 June 2011

2011-06-19 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 09:29 +1000, Mark Pulley wrote: Quoting John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 20 June 2011 02:11, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Please clarify for us the sources of these edits? What does it matter since I'm never going to agree to the CT... Now you're

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-17 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:16 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:19 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: when all the nearmap-derived data is removed It seems like you missed an email a couple of days ago? Current NearMap derived data does not need to be removed

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 14:09 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: I'm speaking personally and there are no guarantees here but I'd like to get input on what areas you would like Bing to prioritise for aerial and/or satellite imagery in the coming year. There are numerous programs that exist which show

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing aerial imagery priorities

2011-06-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:52 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 17 June 2011 13:19, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: There are numerous programs that exist which show the density of mapping in certain areas. Maybe it would be useful to find the more heavily mapped areas that dont have

Re: [talk-au] rationalising administrative boundaries

2011-06-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:14 +1000, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 3:15 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The current boundaries will be removed in the near future, so if I were you I wouldn't spend to much time fussing over them. Oh? Do tell? All ABS boundaries

Re: [talk-au] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:21 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: Ben said, I say again: that's exactly what it was intended to achive and it was written by our lawyers to do just that. :) Thanks Ben, That makes it crystal clear that nearmappers can accept the CT's. Well, mappers who exclusively

Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: Beginning of Phase 4 of license change process

2011-06-15 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 14:49 -0400, Josh Doe wrote: Perhaps it is trivial, but I have yet to hear of anyone working on a script or even pseudocode as to how the cleanup will be performed. Seems like an important item to address IMHO. -Josh According to the implementation plan, sometime after

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 23:54 +0200, Henk Hoff wrote: During the time of the OSMF-membership vote, there was also a vote initiated by the community, which can be seen here: http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w Outcome: 75% would accept the new license, 11% undecided, 14% not (at that time) You

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 10:39 +0800, James Andrewartha wrote: On 15 June 2011 09:36, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi all As promised, with apologies for the delay, here is the statement from NearMap regarding

Re: [OSM-talk] Bandwidth limit/IP blocking - Error 303 on the OSM API?

2011-06-01 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 22:18 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Yes, you got blocked on 16th May by the looks of it. I don't think I did it so it was probably one of my colleagues. Is there not some sort of audit trail or changelog for when users get blocked? I think it would be useful if one could

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL site taken over by spam

2011-05-31 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 16:12 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: I think I know why - its because I'm coming from a microsoft.com domain! It thinks I'm a bing crawler. I can't be bothered to join a mailing list to do this. Maybe someone on talk@ will care enough. In before Frederik.. but shouldnt

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap badly out of date

2011-05-22 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 20:00 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: A nearmapper has decided that badly out-of-date nearmap imagery was more authorative than my GPS traces (taken last weekend) and has For anyone interested in the area, NearMap imagery of the new suburbs (taken the Friday before Nicks

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap badly out of date

2011-05-11 Per discussione David Murn
In other news, someone somewhere did something, and someone somewhere should deal with it. Would you care to point out what the problems are, or heaven forbid fix them yourself? We've got this wonderful interface that anyone (even you) can use to change data in the database that people have

Re: [talk-au] Canberra mapping - nearly up-to-date.

2011-05-09 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-05-09 at 17:03 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 9 May 2011 01:28, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: These current edits are of value to OSM, newly developed roads in developing suburbs ('some of which already have people living on them'). How can newly developed roads

Re: [talk-au] Canberra mapping - nearly up-to-date.

2011-05-08 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 21:53 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 8 May 2011 21:41, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: As usual - non trolls are welcome to let me know if I've missed anything (or made some mistakes). So people asking difficult, but honest questions are labelled trolls so

Re: [talk-au] Canberra Mapping - out of date

2011-05-05 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 21:22 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: Unfortunately this has meant that Canberra OSM data is now badly out of date. I have recently heard of a situation where up-to-date Canberra data could have been *extremely* usefull to somebody. Just out of interest, I noticed youve been

Re: [talk-au] Canberra Mapping - out of date

2011-05-05 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 12:19 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 6 May 2011 10:47, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: You mentioned previously that Bing was out of alinement by up to 100m, if this is the case it is a clear case of vandalism since he should be at the vest least realigning Bing

Re: [talk-au] Canberra Mapping - out of date

2011-05-05 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 14:02 +1000, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 6 May 2011 10:47, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Given its age (over 10 years old in Canberra), and these nasty accuracy limitations anyone would be crazy to use it in preference to NearMap. Was surveying around Casey

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-05-04 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 15:31 +1000, Ian Sergeant wrote: This is the Australian list, in case you didn't realise Ah, so you are speaking for all Australians! Well, I have yet to hear any Australians complain about the freedom of the data, other than being incompatible with the new

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-05-04 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 20:29 +1000, Ian Sergeant wrote: I'm not objecting to freedom of data. The comment I objected to is the one that said if it is good enough for the Australian government, then it must be good enough for all Australians, with no need to examine it further. That may be

Re: [talk-au] Canberra Mapping - out of date

2011-05-04 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 21:22 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: Unfortunately this has meant that Canberra OSM data is now badly out of date. I have recently heard of a situation where up-to-date Canberra data could have been *extremely* usefull to somebody. As an active Canberra mapper, exactly which

Re: [OSM-talk] Geofabrik Download Server Update

2011-05-03 Per discussione David Murn
New Caledonia is not part of Australia. It is approx 2000km east of the closest point in Australia, about the same distance as New Zealand is. Does the Australia file (which doesnt seem to be on that linked page at the moment) cover the entire oceania region? Maybe its worth looking at putting

Re: [talk-au] NSW Dept of Lands aerial imagery...

2011-05-02 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 19:33 +1000, Andrew Harvey wrote: Sure if we can convince them to use more liberal licensing it would be great. Personally I would use it for areas not covered by nearmap. While not necessarily beneficial for future new OSM, it could be beneficial to any forks if they

Re: [talk-au] How many NearMap users do you think have accepted the new CTs and ODbL?

2011-05-01 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-05-01 at 23:18 +0800, Andrew Gregory wrote: Thankfully, I've been careful to use source=nearmap. I've also been making a point to go around and survey streets I've traced, check their alignment, name them and set source=survey. Unless youve realigned the ways based on GPS tracks

Re: [talk-au] How many NearMap users do you think have accepted the new CTs and ODbL?

2011-05-01 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-05-02 at 12:40 +0800, Andrew Gregory wrote: Unless youve realigned the ways based on GPS tracks after you traced from nearmap, tagging the ways as source=survey is incorrect. You can add a source:name=survey or similar, but if youve traced from a source, just because you

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Per discussione David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:30 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Have you ever tried to join a committee and been rebuffed? For the past 2 years Ive been a secretary of a national non-profit organisation in my country. If we had made

Re: [talk-au] Trolls

2011-04-30 Per discussione David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 20:09 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote: David Murn stated If anyone is interested, I can provide the simple C code I used to generate these numbers and/or a list of usernames/uids that are involved. Well. you'd be a right piece of work then. Right, get

Re: [talk-au] Tragedy of the commons...

2011-04-26 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 11:33 +0100, 80n wrote: There's no tileserver yet, that's a priority, there's no gratification if things are rendered. Is it possible to setup some sort of tiles@home-like system for fosm? That could be a way to reduce your load. David

[talk-au] How many NearMap users do you think have accepted the new CTs and ODbL?

2011-04-26 Per discussione David Murn
I was wondering this question tonight. How many OSM users have accepted the new terms, without fully understanding that sources they have used in the past prohibit them from doing so. So, I wrote a little script to find out and the numbers are surprising. Using my australian test extract from

Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing

2011-04-26 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 15:17 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: I am a volunteer member (like all the members) of the Licensing Working Group (LWG), OSM Sysadmin Team along with a few other OpenStreetMap groups. Does this mean we can ask (and receive definitive answers from) you the hard questions

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 19:47 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining. Many people have become accustomed to simply checking/accepting any terms and conditions displayed, for fear

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Per discussione David Murn
Ive noticed a few discrepancies with the graph.. How come on the 2-day graph, the scale for decline goes 10300 to 10800 while on 5-day graph the range is 10200 to 10800. The accept scale is 0-100 on 2-day but 0-120 on 5-day. The upshot is that the 'accepted' value is 99.8% of the full range,

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 17:25 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: It makes them readable. If you used the same scale you won't see the handful of no-votes against the 1 yes-votes. It appears the scales have changed, and the readability hasnt changed. If anything the 2 lines are now more

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 10:27 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: For what it's worth, I just legally signed my state tax return with nothing but a checkbox on a web form... You mean all you had to do to do your tax, was check a checkbox and click accept? Or did you also provide information persuant to

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 18:35 +0100, Thomas Davie wrote: While I agree that there is a problem with the no votes disapearing if you show the whole graph, it would be useful to show the same *range* on each scale. I actually meant that the 2 graphs had different scales. When youre showing

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 11:53 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: ...which is ignoring the 70% or so of all of those people who never edited and can be switched over without incident. That sounds like the thinking of the parties in a real vote, 'if everyone who didnt vote, voted for us, we would have

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-17 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 12:16 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: If we make the numbers, then these new users are unaffected. If we do not, new users are still unaffected, they have agreed to the use of either CC-BY-SA or ODbL. What about a case for example of a mapper who wants to map the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 17:09 -0700, Kai Krueger wrote: Dermot McNally wrote: FWIW I would have favoured earlier specific requests for a vote, but it's basically been an impossible position for the LWG from what I can see as an outsider. No, the vote part really isn't that difficult.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 18:00 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04/16/2011 05:40 PM, Graham Jones wrote: ... it is not clear whether OS Opendata in the UK, or Nearmap in Austrailia is compatible. I would have expected these issues to be resolved before forcing people to re-licence.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 20:36 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: I thought that the new CTs were supposed to fix this issue [...] I have answered on legal-talk. We dont care if you answered on a podcast sent to the moon. The question was asked

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence + CT.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 20:10 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open source project to have had to make these sorts of decisions. Out of interest Grant, what other

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 18:50 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: But your suggested course of action has me confused - you are happy to make contributions under the new CT and intend to do so, but yet you wish to vote against the change. Your choice, I supposed. Its not terribly confusing from here.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 23:53 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: On 14 April 2011 23:38, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Its not terribly confusing from here. What he is suggesting, is creating an account to contribute 'clean' data, which he is prepared to agree to OSMF's terms about

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 01:08 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, David Murn wrote: What about if you become aware that once youve got someone, who has agreed and who has contributed tainted data? Will you (or someone else wielding the magical OSMF+3 wand) reverse it? If data is tainted

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-12 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 20:56 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: If you were a contributor before this date and have not accepted yet, you will be asked to accept or decline the new terms. [..snip..] Even if you choose to decline the new terms, you will still be able to continue editing. With the

Re: [OSM-talk] Sports club

2011-04-07 Per discussione David Murn
There is actually a proposal for project of the week for gyms. Apparently there are 66k pubs but only 400 gyms tagged in OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week/Proposals David On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 20:29 +, John-Michael Wiley wrote: I was trying to map a plaza

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 22:12 +1000, Ashley Kyd wrote: Hi all, Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but found the wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources by license. If you have a spare moment or two and know of any I've missed, please pop by and

Re: [talk-au] Wiki + Data Sources + Licensing Categories

2011-04-07 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 23:27 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 7 April 2011 23:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: I contacted the nowwhere.com.au/MapData-Sciences who are managers of the BP and Shell data in October 2010... ... Also the locations have been fixed for numerous

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 22:09 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: So is Phase 4 the end for those that don't agree? What happens to the data if we don't agree? and the data built on top of that data? Well, it depends what you read. According to the wiki, stage 4 is when OSM asks the community what

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] OpenStreetMap is changing the licence

2011-04-06 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 09:17 +1000, Michael Hampson wrote: This came through over night. Is it a standard mailer going out to all? I received the same, so presumably yes. One has to wonder how many innocent users who dont want to be banished from the project, simply click 'agree' or follow

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-dev] To OSM editor authors ...

2011-04-06 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 03:19 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: For clarity: (according to odbl.de) In Australia: For pete's sake! Stop making up blatantly untrue stuff. Those are likely the precentages if we moved *today* without even formally contacting/emailing anyone. I never made

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-04-03 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-03 at 12:03 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: The Google StreetView database isn't in Europe, it doesn't have anyspecial conditions attached to its use, it has. At least if there aren't for Streetview in particular, the ones of Googlemaps in general do apply.

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 22:51 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: Oandrzej zaborowski wrote: For the record, in East Europe where Google Street View has no coverage, there's a an almost identical service provided by Norc.ro, who explicitly allow usage in OSM. There's a similar service in Germany:

Re: [OSM-talk] The Future of Areas

2011-03-28 Per discussione David Murn
Is there a reason why you decided to split this proposal into a different page for each section (with 2-3 paragraphs per page) instead of just one large page like most other parts of the wiki? Im upto the 4th page and still dont quite understand what you're proposing. David On Mon, 2011-03-28

Re: [talk-au] Splitting ways with ABS data, and the new OSM terms

2011-03-28 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 06:15 +1100, Ben Kelley wrote: Hi. I think this is an important question, but probably not something someone on this list can answer. I presume this issue is of concern more widely than Australia. Sadly, I dont think anyone can give a proper answer, whichever list

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-26 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 09:50 +, Grant Slater wrote: On 25 March 2011 05:49, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: The problem is, any fork under the existing licence can continue without problem. Any fork under the new licence, cannot use any data unless the user who contributed

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 00:11 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Y'know, I'm not understanding something. People whinge about CC-By-SA not being free enough, and that OSM should be public domain. The proper response to them (which I think most people agree with) is: if you don't like the license, fork

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 13:16 +0100, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Exactly start an OSM Meetup group now? How to explain to them that if they make certain types of corrections, their work will be deleted? Are we forced to read

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 14:01 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. This isnt a legalese issue. Well, as much as someone stealing your car is a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?] the coastline

2011-03-21 Per discussione David Murn
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:45 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: the question becomes (in my mind): why do we have a single way mapped 'coastline'? this implies the boundary between land and water is static, but of course it moves - a number of times per day. The coastline is (as generally accepted on

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-12 Per discussione David Murn
On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf What do you think about something like: cost:car_2axle = $X

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-11 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:34 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeline for phase3 and so on. (Re: odbl)

2011-03-07 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:03 +, Ed Avis wrote: I would hope that this new state of play has changed the timetable a little bit. Has the OSMF board discussed the new Creative Commons offer? I believe the board (or possibly lwg) has discussed it before, as Im fairly sure Ive seen it in

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-06 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 03:45 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have

Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the week: Stationery

2011-03-03 Per discussione David Murn
I think this could even be extended to newsagencies too? Most newsagencies in Australia are often dominated by stationary supplies. David On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 08:16 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: This week, we suggest to put your eyes on the local stationery shops

Re: [OSM-talk] all our addresses are belong to you

2011-03-02 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 13:54 -0700, flambe...@gmail.com wrote: There are currently three (3) main files - one for the United States, one for Canada and one for Europe. This is great, but the US is 300m, Canada 34m and Europe 700m. The world population is just under 6.8 million. Is there any

Re: [talk-au] Bulk loading all the Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM - a query from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-02-24 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 15:12 +1100, {withheld} wrote: However I still hold the community should accept the offer and be grateful. Carping about internal politics just looks bad. And whiny. And doesn't encourage anybody else ever offering similar largesse ever again. Well, to be fair, the

Re: [talk-au] Bulk loading all the Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM - a query from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-02-22 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 10:38 +0800, Andrew Laughton wrote: Hi Marcus Unfortunately OSM has recently forced a change to it's licence agreement to a version where attribution is not required on any copies that are made of OSM data, probably to appease Microsoft and Bing maps who will then be

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Per discussione David Murn
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 19:40 -0800, Daniel Sabo wrote: Maybe you don't like it, but you are not the entire OSM community. Yes, in this case someone overwritten what I presume was good surveyed data with an import was stupid. But in general the fact that data was gathered by a government

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-20 Per discussione David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 09:54 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: On 19 February 2011 12:06, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Your search - murn site:svn.openstreetmap.org - did not match any documents. i think this does not move us forward - david is as valued as anyone when making

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Per discussione David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 15:35 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I find tracing endless residential subdivisions from aerials to be a chore and no fun. I know many who disagree, fortunately. Last year I was laid up in bed for around 3 months after surgery, just after hi-res aerial imagery became

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:16 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/18 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: Because the use of (min_)levels,height is in use by 3D renderers and IMHO this min_level-part of the advanced building proposal is not working (is using wrong semantics), at least

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 16:59 +, Grant Slater wrote: The new java based XAPI is running and responding to test queries, but be warned it is still under active development. See: Am I missing something here...? People are complaining about how bogged down and slow the current service is, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 23:33 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 18.02.2011 22:47, schrieb David Murn: If the service isnt designed to be portable (it only runs on one system currently, in the world), then who cares about java, What makes you think, that it only has to be running on one system

Re: [talk-au] temp name change

2011-02-18 Per discussione David Murn
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 10:36 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 9:17 AM, {withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote: Please note the last line of that article: Both the town and Phil Down will revert to their original names in a month. Why bother? Because it's fun. The

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-17 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:50 +0100, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Second, an underground building. Connects to other buildings that are at ground level and have basements

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 08:02 +0100, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Make a new specific tag (unsuitable_for_caravans=yes; source:unsuitable_for_caravans=survey), and document it on the wiki (with a photo of a sign). At least that's explicit and clear. I see the problem with my HGV proposal. On my

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Per discussione David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:43 +1000, John Smith wrote: I agree with the access suggestion, eg access:caravan=yes/no/designated/unsuitable I now regret using 4wd_only, this should have be an access: tag instead, eg access:4wd=only/yes/no etc This should be quite easy to script a change for, as

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 19:57 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:56:54 -0500 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Since giving long ground-level ways nonzero layers screws up every place they cross another way, it seems clear what should be done. -1 is used for

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Per discussione David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 14:04 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: On 17 February 2011 12:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Ive fixed quite a number of spots where keepright has picked up a river and highway on the same layer (=0), generally without a junction node. i wonder what would

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