[Talk-us] WikiProject US Bicycle Route System; Spring 2016 AASHTO approvals

2016-06-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hello fellow bicycle map enthusiasts! I am pleased to relay that AASHTO has approved all pending USBRs from each state DOT which submitted ballots for Spring 2016. Please see our wiki at https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_U.S._Bicycle_Route_System for the latest status. What remains to be

Re: [Talk-us] New MapRoulette now in early public beta

2016-05-26 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Martijn, the new MapRoulette is FANTASTIC! I used the old one quite a bit, but I was amazed at how “drop dead easy” this new version is. In fact, sort of by stumbling around and trying to figure it out, I did figure it out and before you know it (just a couple of minutes, really) I had

Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?

2016-06-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jun 18, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > I've been out there a few times taking Mapillary photos along the route so > you can see some of the bike signage. > http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3Aq9dVh3Av7K_di9KKUudQ/photo Thanks for doing this! (Ah, rural

Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?

2016-06-19 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
; To: Kerry Irons <irons54vor...@gmail.com> > Cc: Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>; OSM Volunteer stevea > <stevea...@softworkers.com>; Wade <wade.cr...@comcast.net>; FTA/Ethan > <eman...@hotmail.com>; Phil! Gold <phi...@pobox.com>; > talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 101, Issue 10

2016-04-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
ll also not proceed. > > Again I am sorry > Tom > From: OSM Volunteer stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 7:35:32 PM > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 101, Issue 10 > > At least a couple of pos

Re: [Talk-us] Strategy for Naming Parts of a Large Park

2016-04-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kevin: We can put park data as a name= tag into a node and see it render. Sometimes that is a good placeholder, good enough. Where Elliott and I seem to agree is that we put units of parks into a similarly-named park super-relation. (I hyphenate that, Elliott seems not to, OK). The

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 101, Issue 10

2016-04-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
At least a couple of posters have responded to the thread: > I'm equally inexperienced in the contact department, so take what I say with > that gain of salt. > > This appears to be a class at California University of Pennsylvania (calu.edu > ), and the last of the users you

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> On May 10, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: > Steve, I see your argument. You're going for consistency, which is usually a > good thing. > But, what if the land "cover" is scattered trees that are the size of > large shrubs in a desert environment?

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On May 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > Sorry if I misrepresented your viewpoint. Not a problem. Sorry if I sounded harsh while doing so. Just a minor disagreement that we seem to have ironed out. > "but I can't cut it down and start a campfire" - Are you

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> On May 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mike Thompson > wrote: > Ok, you are talking about gathering of fallen branches, not just cutting of > standing trees. I could be wrong about this, so I will say what I strongly believe to be true, but am not

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Eternal vigilance is what liberty costs. I maintain that my forests are my forests. Maybe a sign or current campfire regulations prevent me from collecting downed wood, but if I’m camping in a National Forest (and I’m a citizen or a national) I’m going to assume that is true until it is

Re: [Talk-us] WikiProject US Bicycle Route System call for volunteers

2016-05-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> As it is now spring (or fall), it’s that national biennial bicycle routes > time of year! Whoops, semi-annual, not biennial: AASHTO approves state DOT ballots for new USBRs every spring and autumn. SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list

[Talk-us] WikiProject US Bicycle Route System call for volunteers

2016-05-15 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
As it is now spring (or fall), it’s that national biennial bicycle routes time of year! Yes, AASHTO has ballots pending from state Departments of Transportation (DOTs) for new routes in the United States Bicycle Routing System (USBRS), like “proto-Interstates for bikes” (network=ncn in the

Re: [Talk-us] Per-State relations for the Appalachian Trail

2016-05-03 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
In the USA, partly because we are such a geographically large part of the North American continent and partly because each of our fifty states is sovereign, I find that breaking apart very large relations so they are across a single state at a time (then perhaps these are collected into a

Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?

2016-05-01 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Ah, my spell-check is to blame! “non” should be ncn “lcm” should be lcm “a bicycle router showing” should be “a bicycle renderer showing” SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?

2016-05-01 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Whoops, a couple typos back there: “non” should be non “lcm” should be lcn SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?

2016-05-01 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Elliott Plack wrote: > Update on this. I was out along the AT in the Weverton area and had a chance > to observe this unique condition where cyclists are encouraged to use what is > effectively a motorway for travel. I always found my armchair mapping of this highly

Re: [Talk-us] Colorado mappers: Check your notes carefully

2016-05-01 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I have been putting out the fire of a mild edit war in Colorado involving the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route, http://www.osm/org/relation/3161159 where MountainAddict keeps setting this to network=ncn when clearly it is network=icn (as it crosses the

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Bradley White > writes: > Just to add my two cents, I do not think that "landuse=forest" should be > tagged with national forest boundaries. I would like to be clear, here: I USED TO believe this, as it was the “best practice” at the

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> On May 10, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > We need to be more specific as to what this means. I would suggest that this > tag is only appropriate where there is active commercial cultivation of trees > for timber, pulp or similar products. Steve things

Re: [Talk-us] Per-State relations for the Appalachian Trail

2016-05-04 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kevin Kenny > writes: > Breaking apart the AT into separate relations - ideally with a superrelation > joining them - would be sensible, I think, but be careful about the > assumption about state lines. The AT literally spends a good many miles

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-09 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Russ, Elliott, Kenny and all: This might sound glib, but I believe that setting landuse=forest on a (multi)polygon which is land use forest is correct. Yes, I have notice that mapnik rendering has changed over the years so that other 2-D objects which occupy the same space may yield

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 102, Issue 13

2016-05-09 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> On 8/19/2015 2:29 AM, Nathan Mixter wrote: >> I would like to see areas in OSM categorized as either land use, land cover >> (which we call natural for the most part in OSM) or administrative to clear >> the confusion. I am also in favor of eliminating the landuse=forest tag at >> least in

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2016-05-09 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Mike Thompson writes: > 1) I don't know how anyone would able to tell this from simple on the ground > observation. Granted: from an on-the-ground observation, a landuse=forest might look very much like a natural=wood. However, if you saw that part of the area had some stumps, you could

Re: [Talk-us] Status and progress: NYS DEC Lands reimport

2016-07-19 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kevin: I am impressed with your very careful level of attention to detail here. While I personally can't help, I wish you the best in your endeavors to complete this import. (Perhaps the imports-us-request list might have been / could be a better posting place?) Thank you for your excellent

[Talk-us] WikiProject United States Bicycle Route System

2016-07-04 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hello fellow national bicycle map enthusiasts, and Happy Birthday, USA: Please see our wiki at https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_U.S._Bicycle_Route_System for latest status, where you'll see our project is now ~97% complete. There remains some mileage to enter, for which OSM has official

Re: [Talk-us] Common names of highways do not match road signs.

2016-07-08 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
There are many parts here: road signs in the real world, names which might not match those, data in OSM, and presentation by "stacks" (hardware/software/network) of those data. The first two can be captured with proper tagging in the third. If the fourth does not meet your needs, it MAY be

Re: [Talk-us] Map spam

2016-07-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Circa 07/10/2016 08:28 PM, Jack Burke and Frederik Ramm > wrote: >> Is anyone else starting to see map spam popping up in their areas? and > DWG here. We see lots, but not to a degree that would concern us. Thank you to Jack for bringing this up and

Re: [Talk-us] Proposing import of sidewalk data Seattle, WA, USA

2016-08-02 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Thank you, Meg. I also applaud the addition of sidewalk data to OSM. I have begun substantial work on this in the downtown pedestrian-oriented areas of Santa Cruz, California (37N 122W). Yes, this can be a challenging data set to enter for a variety of reasons, especially if it is an import

Re: [Talk-us] Mappers in Idaho!

2016-08-09 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I wanted to chime in my great enthusiasm for Greg Morgan helping or leading a good, chunky data effort in OSM like this. Greg took on the USBR 90 effort in Arizona, hundreds and hundreds of miles of bicycle route, now very well entered in OSM and AASHTO-approved. It took him weeks, but it

[Talk-us] Is USBR 11 in Maryland complete/correct in OSM?

2016-06-19 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
To be clear about USBR 11 in Maryland: for source data, this OSM author looked at many things, including a combination of text-based instructions and the red-yellow-green lines published by Maryland DOT and OSM’s own data like Elliott’s tags to my FIXME tags. This author also finds it prudent

Re: [Talk-us] San Louis Obispo CA area - Chimney Wildfire - OSM US Tasking Manager Project

2016-08-17 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Thank you for setting this up, Blake. I've never done a HOT task before, and since this is my backyard, I dove right in. And it was FUN! (BTW, it is San Luis Obispo). A couple/three years ago I made contact with Joe Larson, a SLO-county based firefighter and OSM volunteer who used County

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 110, Issue 37

2017-01-31 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 31 21:46:57 UTC 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I added the takeaway from this discussion to the wiki. Feel free to amend as > necessary. OK, thank you Frederik: I did. I mentioned that in some states we may see a tag on state parks (or, for example, state forest

[Talk-us] iD news: v2.1.0 released

2017-02-05 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
 1. iD news:  v2.1.0 released (Bryan Housel)Congratulations, Bryan and the entire iD team!  I have recently used the new(er) iD and agree it is "smoother, nicer, better."  Great job!SteveACalifornia ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Long post alert, apologies in advance. You might jump to the last paragraph, beginning "stated succinctly." I applaud efforts and discussion I see here regarding subtle distinctions between Blue Ridge Parkway being not a National Park per se, but rather a "park area" administered by the same

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hello again, Kevin: On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > The use of UK English as the OSM standard gets in the way (of boundary=national_park) > here, since > the UK has nothing that's a direct parallel to a state park. States of > the US at least

Re: [Talk-us] Blue Ridge Parkway

2017-01-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Apologies, Ian. I did mention that my VERY brief digression into state sovereignty was recognizably "not on a political forum" and intentionally brought the topic back to "OSM and tagging standards." The intent was to clarify that states (New York, California...) do designate wilderness

[Talk-us] WikiProject US Bicycle Route System call for volunteers

2017-01-17 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
AASHTO has completed its Autumn 2016 round from state Departments of Transportation (DOTs) for new routes in the United States Bicycle Routing System (USBRS), like “Interstates for bikes” (network=ncn in the USA). For details, please see OSM’s WIkiProject USBRS,

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11

2016-09-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> 1. Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11 (DRTBYK) > > From: DRTBYK > Subject: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map update - 2016-09-11 > Date: September 15, 2016 at 7:40:21 AM PDT > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > > Given the size of the largest file, it wouldn’t be that

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Drinking-water-specific photomapping website

2016-09-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hi Joe: I have added a lot of these nodes in California (Northern, Central and Southern) and even recognize a few of my own at wide zoom. I agree there is much room for growth in this dataset. These are pretty sparsely entered into California, even with my moderate effort to add these data.

Re: [Talk-us] Proposal: Drinking-water-specific photomapping website

2016-09-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Dang: "on-the-ground truthing." I must turn off spell-check. SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Bar vs Pub vs Restaurant in the US?

2016-10-01 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Greg, Paul and List: I have been to MANY pubs in the UK (and places I would consider similar in Belgium, France, the Netherlands..., though much less frequently than in the UK). These are places which serve beer (and less so, wine and liquor), a certain style of food (fish and chips,

[Talk-us] Rail rendering support in our wiki?

2016-10-24 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
As I contribute to our wiki pages, I find it useful in certain circumstances to use this syntax: to display (instead of mapnik/Standard) a bicycle-oriented map (Cycle Map layer, note "layer=cycle" above). See, for example, http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/South_Bay_(SF),_California for Silicon

Re: [Talk-us] .... finding areas that are underserved

2016-11-15 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Markus Fischer writes: >> I am new to this and the area where I live is very well mapped (probably due >> to high density of tech workers). Where do I go to start mapping areas that >> are less well mapped (me aimlessly poking at this does not sound like a good >> approach)? I call to

Re: [Talk-us] Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest (landuse=forest and US National forests again)

2016-11-29 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
As someone who has been around and around and around with this (landuse=forest on National forests) for the better part of over seven years, I agree with Steven, Paul, Elliott and Tod here. There has emerged a great deal of harmony and consensus on this topic, but I agree we could and should

Re: [Talk-us] USBR 66 in Oklahoma

2016-12-05 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Thanks, Paul, that's a big task. OSM (and I) appreciate it. SteveA California > On Dec 5, 2016, at 4:00 AM, talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > Send Talk-us mailing list submissions to > talk-us@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >

Re: [Talk-us] "toll" related tags appropriate for park entrances?

2017-03-21 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Are the various "toll" related tags appropriate for park entrances where you > have to stop and pay a fee? For example, most state parks in Georgia have a > "parking fee" that you have to pay to an attendant when you enter the park, > so it seems appropriate to tag the collection point as

Re: [Talk-us] Available Building Footprints Date: March 28, 2017 at 2:06:33 AM PDT

2017-03-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hi Nathan: I've got pretty beefy hardware, but the "Bay Area" shapefile pointed to by your recent post chokes my JOSM to a gasping strangle: >3.7 million objects?! These need to be broken up further to smaller files, to either the county level or even smaller to a sub-county level, in a sane

Re: [Talk-us] Available Building Footprints

2017-03-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
; [3] https://data.osmcanada.com/15/9478/21019/ottawa-buildings.osm > [4] https://osmlab.github.io/osm-qa-tiles/ > > ~~ > Denis Carriere > GIS Software & Systems Specialist > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:00 AM, OSM Volunteer stevea > <stevea...@softworkers.com> w

[Talk-us] United States Bicycle Route 41 awaits OSM entry!

2017-03-26 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
A brief reminder to any Minnesota (or Upper Midwest) mappers who may be inspired to enter some rewarding OSM data: United States Bicycle Route (USBR) 41 is a new national-level bicycle route from Minneapolis to Grand Portage and the Canadian border, largely along Lake Superior. Your reward?

Re: [Talk-us] Building Footprints in CA

2017-03-30 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Brian M Hamlin maplabs at light42.com writes: I have been working with 2D building footprints from LA and other counties here in Berkeley on a research project, using a PostGIS/GDAL stack and a libosimum tool, among others.. The project is broadly named "California OpenData ECN" .. I am

Re: [Talk-us] Available Building Footprints

2017-03-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Kevin Kenny > wrote: > As long as the Wiki page is merely identifying this as a potential project > that someone might sign up for someday, thatś fine. As it > stands, it is incoherent as a project proposal. > > Kevin, > The wiki

Re: [Talk-us] West Point (Kevin Kenny)

2017-03-19 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Kevin Kenny via talk-us-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:Thanks to anyone that read this far!Oh, I'm reading, all right!  Kevin, please don't sweat too much more the seriously yeoman work you've done to clean up an "unholy mess."I do recall

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Dakota County, MN Building and Address Import

2017-03-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> What I need help with is: > • I can export the data out into the chunks in Shp format fairly > easily, I know how to script that. And I have decent polygons for doing so. > I need a good tool for converting that to OSM, in bulk. Hi Joe: I think you are on the right track here, but I

[Talk-us] Consolidated city-counties beyond a single county: admin_level=5?

2017-03-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
As I have recently improved our https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level page, I launched a Discussion there about USA's non-New York City (NYC) consolidated city-county entities (CCCs). NYC is the USA's only "multiple county agglomeration" tagged admin_level=5, whereas other CCCs

Re: [Talk-us] "toll" related tags appropriate for park entrances?

2017-03-21 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Tue Mar 21 21:17:04 UTC 2017 Shawn K. Quinn wrote: >On one hand, I can agree withe the principle behind re-purposing of this >tag. On the other hand, I can see it being quite possible this is going >to throw some routing programs for a loop when "avoid tolls" is selected. I never thought of

Re: [Talk-us] reporting Pokemon Go related vandalism

2017-03-15 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
My apologies to you, Jack, for putting your name in my Subject line. A simple copy-paste error; I'll be more careful in the future. SteveA ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] reporting Pokemon Go related vandalism (Jack Burke)

2017-03-15 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I just bumped into what appears to be a new Pokemon Go-inspired volunteer (https://www.osm.org/user/Sentinelprimek, joined OSM just yesterday) editing near me in Silicon Valley and San Diego at the UCSD campus, where I'm also familiar. In case you are wondering what to look for, it seems

Re: [Talk-us] No updates on zoom level 12?

2017-04-04 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
In my eight years in OSM I have seen zoom level 12 (and wider/lower) take from about one to four months to fully re-render in mapnik/Carto ("Standard"). At z=13 (and closer/higher), rendering can be in "as little as" seconds (usually minutes) to hours. As I don't think OSM's "schedule of

Re: [Talk-us] No updates on zoom level 12?

2017-04-04 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Right: as I intimated, it might be quicker, you might experience your edits and rendering "right on the boundary of a major tile update," or, it might take months. It is variable: pay attention to wide variability and pleased don't be too surprised by this. Thank you for sharing your

Re: [Talk-us] Response from TIGER about "driveways

2017-04-05 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Chiming in my +1 to everything recently said here about OSM's TIGER data (and cats and such) in the USA. I'd like to remind everybody that most RAIL data in the USA are largely from that same TIGER import. Since about 2014, USA rail data have improved to a moderate degree, though spottily,

Re: [Talk-us] MO Stare Road Classifications.

2017-03-05 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> I was thinking of using MODOT Functional classification maps to set roads to. > Basically the following: > > MODOT : OSM > > Interstate : motorway > Freeway and Expressway : trunk > Other Principal Arterial : primary > Minor Arterial : secondary > Major Collector : tertiary > Minor

Re: [Talk-us] Townships

2017-07-29 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Shawn K. Quinn writes: Funny you mention this. Texas might be the first exception to the rule, as The Woodlands is now being referred to as a "township" and this is the first time that I've seen the term used within this state. I learned this when passing a bus for The Woodlands Express (which

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries - ferry

2017-08-03 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hi again, Nathan: Clifford Snow is working on this, too, at least identifying Washington State ferries without a duration tag. I know you two know each other (he did introduce us last summer!), so a heads up that you might want to coordinate with him to not overlap effort. While it is

Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-15 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
It might go without saying for most OSM contributors, however, it is time to say out loud: data which make their way into OSM must be 1) Of a geographic value such that they positively further the goals and hew to the tenets of the project, 2) Current or recent, not of a vintage that even as

Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-15 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
A natural conclusion is to improve in place. I like the way Steve says natural edges to split, as that might become where somebody in the future falls off at that edge with data in a better place, improving our map. Post FMMP can get chewy ooy gooey, don't I know it. Sometimes a chunk is

Re: [Talk-us] natural=* and landuse=* multipolygons at the urban interface

2017-08-13 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
David, I would contact Nathan Mixter directly (in OSM, nmixter, import account Eureka gold) and ask him what he thinks, as he is (largely speaking) the original importer of these (and many other, very large) imports, many of which, unfortunately generated consternation or reversion. You might

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kevin Kenny writes: 'boundary=administrative' is a surprisingly messy thing at all levels of government. Let's do the best we can. And I am so glad that somebody (else) did! (Write this out loud). Clearly, admin_level generates passion among everybody who has something to say about it.

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kerry, thank you for that/those. I especially like your characterizations of "fun" and "purposefully!" Yet, paraphrasing both Kevin Kenny and Winston Churchill: Let us Carry On and Do the Best We Can! I seldom let the difficulty of a challenge, even at the cost of mistakes from which i can

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I'm glad Adam brings up the topic of Gores, as I'm also unclear on how such "holes" get "punched into" larger (multi)polygons via tagging. For example, I am "sort-of-sure" (but not positive) that in Vermont, a "gore" (or grant, location, purchase, surplus, strip...usually the result of

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 116, Issue 20

2017-07-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Frederik Ramm writes: > I think there might be a misunderstanding here and I would like to chip in... Thank you for chipping in, Frederik! > If you have an admin_level 4 entity - like a state - then the boundaries > with admin_level 4 are the outer demarcation of that,

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Continuing my replies to this thread. Greg Troxel writes: The notion that Town and City are fundamentally different in Massachusetts is incorrect. I think that's the long and short of your basis for commenting, but if I'm off please tell me. Greg, Massachusetts' entry in US_admin_level's wiki

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Greg Troxel says "just plain wrong" about an older version of the Big Table row for Massachusetts that pre-dates my harmonization of New England states thanks to Peter Dobratz' contributions. As I have subsequently harmonized Peter's table with the Big Table, Greg's point now appears to be

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Adam Franco writes his general agreement that Greg's assessment of Massachusetts applies to Vermont. As I compare these two rows in the table, they are identical at admin_levels 6, 7 and 8, differing only in Precinct and Ward at 9 for the former and Village and District for the latter. I do

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kevin Kenny writes: (In New York City), each borough is divided into community districts. This begs the question as to whether the sub-row 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 New YorkNYC Borough N/A

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I'll "pop the stack," answering the most recent first. Minh, genuinely, you are welcome for a wider dialog. I am cheered to see a good deal of reply to this. As you say my edits "may well be the right edits to make" (I agree) it only may be true that "mappers who focus on these regions

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-08 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Jack Burke writes: So...what exactly are you asking? I am asking, after examining the list of nine states, whether you might volunteer to examine the current status of admin_level tagging in a state (as it is documented to actually exist in US/Boundaries wiki) and "improve it" (as it is

[Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-08 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Kind of long and complex ahead; apologies in advance for the length. I've been documenting our https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level wiki over much of the last year with careful research on how US states and territories carve themselves up into administrative

[Talk-us] Territorial municipalities, Guam's villages

2017-07-17 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Does anybody know if the map of Guam's villages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villages_of_Guam#/media/File:Map_of_Guam_villages.svg is accurate and up-to-date? It's rough, but usable, and appears compatible with OSM's ODbL. Are there better data which OSM has permission to use? Guam's

Re: [Talk-us] Territorial municipalities, Guam's villages (Max Erickson)

2017-07-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Max Erickson writes: > > The image the linked image was traced from provides no provenance > (beyond "Own work"). It's tough to go from there to being sure that > derived data is okay to contribute to OSM. It is explicitly CC BY-SA 4.0. Does OSM have a problem with

Re: [Talk-us] Territorial municipalities, Guam's villages (Max Erickson)

2017-07-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Thank you, Nelson.  Per the link (and a further link, which points to Simon Poole for the OSMF License Group):"But while neither CC nor the OSMF has undertaken a complete compatibility analysis, we have identified at least one  point of incompatibility and one possible challenge regarding

Re: [Talk-us] Territorial municipalities, Guam's villages (Max Erickson)

2017-07-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Josh Lee writes: "TIGER Line gives these village boundaries in the "County Subdivisions" file." Thank you, I'm taking a look now. Effectively closing this thread, SteveA California ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Territorial municipalities, Guam's villages (Max Erickson)

2017-07-18 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Guam now has its Municipalities entered as boundary=administrative + admin_level=6. I also changed several named and human-settled areas from place=locality (which means uninhabited) to place=hamlet. Hamlet seems appropriate as there appear to be no more than one or two hundred persons and

Re: [Talk-us] Pittsburgh neighborhood boundaries mapped with admin level 9?

2017-07-27 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Albert Pundt writes > I noticed that the neighborhoods in Pittsburgh are mapped as administrative > boundaries with admin_level=9. Is this proper? The wiki page for U.S. admin > levels doesn't list any use for admin level 9 in Pennsylvania, though this > seems appropriate if Pittsburgh

Re: [Talk-us] Pittsburgh neighborhood boundaries mapped with admin level 9?

2017-07-27 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
OK, three topics shake out from this, two Pennsylvania, one Boston. I'll try (and likely fail) to be brief: 1) Pittsburgh's neighborhoods, now entered and tagged admin_level=9, seem like they are better entered as admin_level=10, to harmonize with neighborhoods in many other states.

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

2017-07-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Richard Welty rwelty at averillpark.net wrote (I paraphrase): Kevin oversimplified New York state admin_level; I live here and have different post and school office boundaries. Thank you, Richard: I am in listening mode. Our US_admin_level wiki mentions school districts, but nothing is stated

Re: [Talk-us] Ferry durations

2017-07-12 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I like the idea of adding ferries without duration to MapRoulette — great idea!If you don't, I will!  (Well, it might take me a while).I'll check in a week or so and if nobody has, I'll give it a go.(Last ferry I rode in BC was to Bowen Island to attend a wedding of some friends who grew up

Re: [Talk-us] Erie Canalway Trail

2017-07-05 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Hi Kevin:It may be that more than one relation is warranted because of multiple trail uses.  I can see how there might be one tagged route=hiking and another tagged route=bicycle, although if the trail is largely unpaved, route=mtb is preferred instead of the latter.  Of course, these would likely

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 116, Issue 44

2017-07-27 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Albert Pundt writes: > Why are townships, boroughs, towns, and cities in PA mapped with separate > admin levels, or at least "supposed to be" mapped that way according to that > page? As far as I know they're always only ever one level below county, and > never overlap.

[Talk-us] New Carto rendering of waterway=stream, intermittent=yes

2017-05-22 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
In a word, "yuk." Considering how a waterway=stream is a light blue low-pixel-width line (and this seems correct, harmonious and even beautiful), can we please return to DASHED light blue low-pixel-width line when a waterway=stream also includes the tag intermittent=yes? Thank you! If there

Re: [Talk-us] New Carto rendering of waterway=stream, intermittent=yes

2017-05-23 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22/05/2017 20:50, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: >> In a word, "yuk." >> > It was a rendering faux pas rather than deliberate, and should (shortly) be > fixed: > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/

Re: [Talk-us] USA's TIGER data include rail, too

2017-06-14 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
And then there were six! WikiProject_United_States_railways is delighted to announce that we have just grown from five states to six with the addition of South Carolina by an enthusiastic OSM volunteer. Brick by brick, everybody! SteveA California

[Talk-us] USA's TIGER data include rail, too

2017-06-10 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I know this might seem disconnected from threads regarding TIGER from a week ago, but I do wish to remind my fellow dear readers of talk-us that the 2008 TIGER import also include(d) rail data, including tens of thousands of railway=rail ways. While these have slowly-and-surely improved,

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading sidewalks in San Jose, California, US

2017-09-20 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Vivek Bansal <3viv...@gmail.com> writes: > We are using the San Jose data which has an ODbL compliant license (and any > government data in California has the same). I'm following the San José discussion and don't wish to get too technically legal: I am not an attorney, though I have paid

Re: [Talk-us] Low-quality NHD imports

2017-10-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Echoing (+1-ing) what Charlotte (and Clifford) said: waterway=creek on a downward-flowing way (and an intermittent=yes tag, if true) are extensively used and helpful, certainly where I am. While hiking, they are relatively unambiguous wayfinding attributes, especially when/as they are

Re: [Talk-us] Pittsburgh neighborhood boundaries mapped with admin_level 9?

2017-08-25 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
> Jerry Clough wrote: > Further to this thread, this fascinating article came up in my twitter > timeline: The Legacies of Redlining in Pittsburgh > > The Legacies of Redlining in Pittsburgh > Devin Rutan reveals how Pittsburgh's current geography is still defined by >

Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle infrastructure

2017-10-04 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Martijn and this thread's contributors: Yes to everything! Thanks for the OT snippet, that's helpful and benefits from additional suggestions like sharrows as cycleway=shared_lane, cycleway=buffered_lane, and importantly, shoulder and surface data. While infrastructure is important (critical,

[Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2017-10-11 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
OSM's USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers to help map new United States Bicycle Routes in Washington state approved by AASHTO. Please see http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_U.S._Bicycle_Route_System , a reference and status page for the project. USBRs 87, 95 and 97 in Washington state

Re: [Talk-us] pokemon go related vandalism in asheville, north carolina

2017-12-16 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
In my own small way, I monitor my local area (several counties in California) for obvious Pokemon Go vandalism. It is often a small lake or pond (natural=water feature) adjacent to a leisure=park. I use a changeset comment or send a missive to the author (usually brand-new) and ask them to

Re: [Talk-us] Multipolygonizing

2017-11-20 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
I very much agree with Douglas and Rihards that glebius' mapping is (around here) unusual, "terrible" and difficult to parse, even for experienced mappers who have been mapping for most of the history of OSM, like me. Glebius is right in my backyard and I've found his coastal "restructurings"

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