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On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Is there a page where
Dear talk,
Could some native english speaker explain the difference between
highway=path and highway=byway recently introduced in map features ?
The description is not obvious. Is it unpaved / paved ? Where is the limit
between path-byway and byway-unclassified ?
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of byway in german to see their interpretation).
The descriptions in Map Features are used by many countries (directly or for
translations). New entries should be carefully documented.
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[1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-December/021047.html
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org
page.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Bruce Cowan
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On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 01:48 +0100, 80n wrote:
More technically, it's an English and Welsh thing. AFAIK, Scotland
doesn't have these (we may do, but our access laws are very liberal
to use relations in the editors.
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, it is potentially dozen applications who could add
their own data into the database. IMHO It's not because it is easy and
open that the database has to be used for other purpose than
geopositionning.
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their experience.
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
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Pieren,
A new OSMF Working Group is being formed to support groups and individuals
with the import of new public and private data. I've copied SteveC who will
be leading the group so that your
as possible
automatic. For instance, a tool detecting conflicts between the new
landuse polygones and existing landuse polygones, then splitting the
data in two sets, one without conflicts which could be directly
uploaded and one with conflicts which would require some individual
investigation/edits.
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values. Why are you making you life so
complicated ? Are you going to create a relation or a polygone for all
oneway streets or streets with bicycle lanes in your town ? A speed
limit is nothing else than a property of a street.
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service roads ?
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if the discussion is internationalized.
We also have a page looking for a solution about the import and the
conflict resolution with existing landuse in OSM:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Corine_Land_Cover/Corine_Data_Import
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not say anything about the width as well. It
describes service roads, that's all.
You could use width=x or narrow=yes combined with highway=pedestrian.
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of a pedestrian place or a normal sidewalk but under a
building.
Thanks for you advices.
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reorganization.
I would suggest to move the full list of tags into subpages (one for
landuse, one for amenity, etc) and keep on Map Features only the top
5 or 10 most popular tags of each category.
Doing this, the wiki page is much smaller but still gives a good idea
of each category.
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will be extended
to list all possible amenities, sports, shops, man_made, etc.
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in alphabetic order ?
About synonyms, you can also improve the descriptions to include these
terms or use the REDIRECT feature.
I also don't like the position why bother, it's chaotic, let them
continue. I'm sure we can improve this page a bit more than sort the
amenities.
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not.
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but drawing for the routing
applications. It's not better.
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as it would be in our case).
I agree with Ulf. We should follow the wikipedia approach.
Undoing mistakes/vandalism should be as easy as creating mistakes/vandalism.
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for some help. As wikipedian do every day in one click.
We cannot, in one way, make edition easy and quick (e.g. the online
editor) and in the other way, make reverting edits complicated and
long. This could work only if you give access to educated and trusted
contributors.
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). The
others have to repair it manually 1000 times. It is a way to create a
special category of privileged contributors allowed to revert
changesets without saying it.
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be like that anyone is allowed
to delete or modify a complete wiki page but other contributors (not
the last editor) are just allowed to restore the page line by line or
word by word...
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the examples or is it too
late ?
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page Key:traffic sign or we adopt the tag, remove the Proposed
features/Traffic sign and discuss on Talk:Key:traffic sign but
please, stop juggle with a tag being approved and proposed at the
same time on the wiki !
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set on the way is not enough ?
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tag for the physical maxheight for countries where it is available
(call it maxheight:physical if you want)
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prefere to add narrow=yes combined with residential or
unclassified (or any other) highways. It should be interpreted as
between 75% to 50% narrower than the default width of this highway
type.
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Tagging roads inside industrial or commercial areas with
highway=residential sounds really bad, sorry.
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Read this: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038931.html
It seems that one person is not able to revert all the crap he created.
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the default width or
default lanes and so on per highway type per country. That's the
advantage of the key narrow, it is easy to use for mappers and it
works for all countries.
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. Deprecate tag est_width and always store width data in tag width. Add
additional tag that would state accuracy of width data. This is really not
necessary, but will be easier to use by the software and probably also easier
to map.
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it is always estimated
(deprecating est_width just hides this point), it is missing in most
of the highways, it is changing continuously along the roads and a
width of 6 meters does not say if an hgv can pass or not, it will
never replace the access restriction tags.
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Barthelemy. Also how can we inform other mappers that the
Yahoo imagery is not correct in this area ?
Can someone from the Netherlands contact me and check with me what
could be done to fix this issue ?
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Lambert Carstenlhc@solcon.nl wrote:
In any case, PLEASE let us get rid of this 'rule' that a T-junction has to be
on the same layer.
+1
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=path when it is not designated for a particular type of
user and is narrower than a track (one vs two parallel dips). And most
of the time, we find them in rural zones.
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in the wiki
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath/Examples) (and
remove the highway=cycleway+foot=designated alternative because this
is exactly such things that create so much confusion).
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starting at the right
centimeter in the street ?
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/loc_name to something new
like official_name/name ?
Where is it discussed/described on this ML or the wiki ?
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which can be documented on
the wiki (highway=cycleway + foot=yes/no).
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And applications don't have necessarily to know in which country they
are, defaults can be preprocessed for their needs (e.g. for routing).
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On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Peter Childspchi...@bcs.org wrote:
The problem with this tag is that it's about topology. up/down is
like north/west or turn left/right. Like the tag is_in, it
shouldn't be a tag to say where a point or a pair of points is
geospatialized.
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applies. In special cases or complex
intersections, I would rather create a relation as it is already
proposed on the wiki.
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Everything else is just spamming for reward. That's the risk about
rewards, someone may choose quantity vs quality.
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I'm not againt relations when it is adding information. If I have a
100 meters way and a single stop sign node 5 meters before the
intersection, It is just waste of time and resource to add a relation
for something obvious. I have better things to do than helping lazy
software developers.
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the distance
from the two intersections is the same or nearly the same), then add
the relation.
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, as in
this case.
First interaction is the coordinates/positions of these elements. We
shouldn't create relations if the information can be deduced from the
positions. We had a similar discussion about identifying all objects
inside a polygon (tag is_in or a special relation).
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on the minor streets themselves and closed to the
intersections and all tagged with highway=stop
All solutions are valid but 3) makes contributor's life easier.
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relation with the intersection node only.
Why am I so stupid that I tag traffic_lights since years with the
stupid single intersection node and missed a relation for that ;-)
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suggests that a path is also for
motorcars, we will never stop !
If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path.
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Not in many countries. I couldn't give a track default access
restriction in France for instance. It's really depending on the
region.
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sports
around the world ?
Be aware that validator warnings are in many cases false positive.
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like the worst form of vandalism.
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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
Pieren wrote:
I'm just questionning myself if I will continue to contribute to OSM
if the admins are not able to react faster to something which looks
like the worst form of vandalism.
Comments like
them manually.
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you deal with the
145 changesets of RR8 if you have to enter manually each number in
your editor.
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not its content. That's why you cannot draw on the top of a satellite
picture. Your work is derivated from the picture, not from the earth.
Did Google payed copyright owners before taking pictures of houses
facades, streets, monuments, posters, human bodies, etc ? No.
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the coordinates and I saw that the licence was not OSM compatible.
But wikipedia has also many POI's located with gmaps, so...
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are only used to find the right photo. I could agree if
you use the photo georefs to position OSM objects, but here you just
read a street sign on the picture.
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combinations (with e.g.
tag population) or re-introduce the infamous is_in tag, we should
simply create a new tag place=quarters or place=district which could
apply to villages or small towns and where suburb is simply
inappropriate.
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and once
on the building which is something I can understand, do we have to
write the word Station in the name itself or not ? Is it not implied
by the tag railway=station or building=train_station ?
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(your photo) or the one on the platform itself. If I
look this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/London_Waterloo_stn_signage.JPG
it should be name=London Waterloo...
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could follow, which makes consistent
maps and data.
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if it is really valuable for OSM (I don't have the
answer).
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the ground.
Tag source is not important, comments in changeset are not
important, complex tagging schema or requests to measure road width
every ten meters are not important. Important is the fun to map.
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Dear list,
A bot running under the user name BugBuster is currently modifying
many closed ways and remove nodes listed twice, e.g.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31604969/history
Is it not normal that a closed way has the same node twice in the list ?
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twice at the end of the list, the modified way is not
closed anymore. My guess is that the original creation was wrong and
the fix is also wrong...
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version is not perfect either.
As soon as he is not changing other stuff, I don't care about this.
Maybe he plans another extra run later. If you want to contact him to
know more about his work, do it.
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that closed ways are normally
using the same node-id at first and last in the list ?
Could you also enhance your page on the wiki to explain a bit more in
details what your bot is doing ?
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too. But if we move the attribution (which is a legal
statement we must insert) into the changesets, it disappears in the
exports and planet dumps.
If you have a solution for that, we will take it.
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is not
modified at all.
It is not easy. But I still make a difference between some
attributions missing and no attribution at all in exports and dumps
for the 170.000 polygons.
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adoption.
Please check the proposal and add your comments here:
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lend her/his expertise?
Claudius
Please add your comments here:
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but not about orchard, then just use
landuse=farm|farmland.
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geolocalized data.
Don't be surprised if one day, all those url's will be removed by a
clean-up bot.
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yes and false or 0 by no (and nothing else).
In this way, mappers are still free to prefer true or 1 and we
try to keep some consistency. Or would this bot be banned ?
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other web sites who would like to be pointed by OSM. And
who will decide that what is good for wikipedia is not good for
microsoft bing or google bong or whatever. Then if you say remove
microsoft url's, they will call you a vandal ?
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considered or if it just a bad idea.
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
I'm pleased to announce a new mailing list: tagg...@openstreetmap.org .
So, we still have to create a what is thinking Frederik list and a
what is not saying SteveC and we can close the main osm-talk list.
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+ 5 + steps is that you
never suggest anything...
And, btw, I think that discussions about tagging is central enough in
OSM project that it should stay in the main talk list.
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote:
Why wait? Tag boldly and document what you did in the wiki.
No, no and no. If you are unsure or unhappy with existing tags, then
document, suggest and discuss before putting crap in OSM !
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Hi,
please join the opinion poll about the landuse=orchard proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/orchard
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on that point. But he just decides to ignore all the
investments spent to rectify and georeference these photos on which
his derivative work is based. And this investment and work is
protected.
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if they are at different levels (then add the tags bridge/tunnel/layer
as usual).
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drawing every single
lanes or everything as areas and this proposal.
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details. Anyway, your rendered example looks nice but you create other
difficulties like drawing the street name.
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