Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

) that he takes as far as special cases in templates just to satisfy it, this was the root of the current calendar argument. -- Andrew From: Richard <ricoz@gmail.com> Sent: 30 October 2017 13:10:49 To: Tobias Knerr Cc: talk Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOS

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Tobias wrote: > > This does not mean that he should be exempt from the rules, of course. > To the contrary: What I would hope for is consistent enforcement of the > rules, with gradually increasing penalties. Jumping straight from spotty > enforcement to a permanent ban, though, seems wasteful

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:13:14AM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 28.10.2017 12:06, Andrew Hain wrote: > > His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net > > negative value. > > I have to disagree here. He's probably the single most active wiki > contributor, and is also

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Citing Christoph (TheFive@OSM) statement here because he told me he isn't a member of this list. a) I do not want to blame Verdy_P, i just want to solve an issue, that is > running now for more than 6 month. > b) My parser technique is behind what is necessary, my attempt to make it > better

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28.10.2017 12:06, Andrew Hain wrote: > His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net > negative value. I have to disagree here. He's probably the single most active wiki contributor, and is also performing a lot of useful maintenance work that no one else would bother doing.

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Hi, Andrew Hain schrieb: > It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently. as someone involved, I wanted to note that *this* actually doesn't make a good case to ban him. Every second OSM regulars table someone complaints about him. There are a tons of valid

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28/10/2017 21:11, ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: If that's the case, then he's doing it wrong. Let's take a simple example - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Derbyshire is supposed to be useful to local mappers and it should be easy to navigate to neighbouring counties. Unfortunately it

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Blake I don't think this discussion is about if verdy_p's edits are right or wrong, expert or novice, large or small, helpful or destructive, but more that he completely fails to achieve any consensus, or even just issue a heads up a reasonable time in advance, before making large scale changes

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Éric Gillet wrote: > Can someone "claim ownership" of a wiki page for example by being the > first to write it, or being the most close geographically to the feature > described ? > I'm generally disinclined to say yes on this, by

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 03:53:12PM +0200, Blake Girardot wrote: > And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki > work and work with Verdy on the wiki. ... ... > My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult > to understand for non wikimedia

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Éric Gillet wrote: > 2017-10-28 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > >> [Philippe Verdy's] number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable >> and unrevertable. >> > > OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people (especially

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

For someone not familiar, what seems to be the problem? This is apparently unrelated to Weekly OSM, which you replied, so I'm seriously confused here. Granted, we can all be hard to work with from time to time (and I'm going to include myself intentionally given that some of my interactions have

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

To clarify, I'm on Verdy's side regarding the calendar dispute (not that I follow it closely). Third-party developers should improve their wiki parsers, not impose restrictions on pages. But I don't like the introduction of microformats to the calendar template, which he made. It made reading

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28/10/2017 14:53, Blake Girardot wrote: ... Please read his personal page on the wiki to understand his overall goal and why to achieve it he has made a lot (like thousands) of edits: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p I've read many, many screeds written by him over the last

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On 28.10.2017 at 19:15 Christoph Hormann wrote: Mapping in OSM is based on do-o-cratic principles, [...] But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own. You cannot simply invest a lot of time in the wiki and expect your ideas

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Saturday 28 October 2017, Éric Gillet wrote: > > That's what I meant by do-o-cracy, and I think it applies all the > same to the wiki, which really is a part of the OSM project. I was understanding do-o-cracy as a political philosophy here where influence and power of individuals is based on

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

I will quote what Verdy_p relayed to me during one of our conversations: Given that this is an ad nominem attack, compeltely unjustified by the fact > that this single person completely ignores the lot of things for which I've > received many thank-you on making the wiki internationalized, with

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

2017-10-28 19:15 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann : > A quick note - since i think it is important to make this distinction: > > But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating > about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own. You cannot simply invest > a lot of

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

On Saturday 28 October 2017, Éric Gillet wrote: > [...] OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people > (especially people investing a lot of time) for their implication is > not the way to go. A quick note - since i think it is important to make this distinction: Mapping in OSM is based on do-o-cratic

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Citation needed] More seriously, could you please list multiple objective instances of "net negative value" edits ? Let's not jump on the bandwagon of banning someone because some disagree with his contributions, based on this single issue presented in OSM weekly. 2017-10-28 12:06 GMT+02:00

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

2017-10-28 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev : > [Philippe Verdy's] number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable > and unrevertable. > Without regard to the (objective?) quality of his work, you convey that he is to blame because of his important implication to the project ?

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

Greetings, As someone who has worked with Verdy P on a daily basis over the past few months, I find his wiki editing and organizing to be very good. He knows what he is doing. He is probably a top expert in wikimedia editing and organization, especially as it relates to the translateability of

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

I agree. Verdy p is very hard to work with on the wiki, and his number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable and unrevertable. I assume has has alienated a lot of wiki contributors, including few people I know. Ilya Andrew Hain wrote: > It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

I agree absolutely. Time to ban verdy_p for continually disruptive behaviour and an unwillingness to work with the community. Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/General-Discussion-f5171242.html ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently. His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative value. It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes and as a result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or