Blake I don't think this discussion is about if verdy_p's edits are right or wrong, expert or novice, large or small, helpful or destructive, but more that he completely fails to achieve any consensus, or even just issue a heads up a reasonable time in advance, before making large scale changes that effect lots of other wiki editors and OSM users, and is completely unable to accept not getting his way and that extends further than just wiki structure.
We don't work that way editing OSM data and shouldn't be acceptable for the wiki either. Regardless of what measures I think are appropriate, it is clear that if something doesn't change the net result will be a perma-ban which has been pointed out to him multiple times and will not come as a surprise . Simon Am 28.10.2017 um 15:53 schrieb Blake Girardot: > Greetings, > > As someone who has worked with Verdy P on a daily basis over the past > few months, I find his wiki editing and organizing to be very good. He > knows what he is doing. He is probably a top expert in wikimedia > editing and organization, especially as it relates to the > translateability of our wiki content, making it much more > translateable. A very noble and critical goal. > > Please read his personal page on the wiki to understand his overall > goal and why to achieve it he has made a lot (like thousands) of > edits: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p > > I understand we can all be difficult to work with at times, and > sometimes some of us are hard to work with all the times. > > Verdy, I urge you to slow down on the wiki editing, listen to the > advice and issues others are raising about your edits and interactions > and let everyone catch up and understand your editing and organization > improvements. You can be really hard to keep up with :) This is the > same advice I put on your personal wiki talk page last year :) > > And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki > work and work with Verdy on the wiki. He seems to be making real, > important, needed improvements that will make the wiki much better in > the long term. > > My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult > to understand for non wikimedia experts, difficult to explain because > they are complicated. And add in the fact that English is not verdy's > native language, the challenge of explaining highly technical > wikimedia organization techniques is twice as difficult. > > I am no wiki expert so I can only look at from a user's perspective. > > He blasted through a bunch of HOT related wiki pages and I was mad he > made a lot of changes I did not understand. I think I complained once > and got blown off. Now that I better understand his underlying goal, > translateability, and I see that his changes have not really affected > anything from my user perspective, I am fine with his changes. I am ok > with the fact that he does know a lot more about it than I do, and I > trust his work to be improvements as I have seen it first hand as it > relates to translations of wiki pages. > > Verdy, I really wish it was easier to understand what you were doing > and it was easier to explain, I really hope you can slow down and > focus on bringing everyone else who is concerned about your edits to > an understanding of your methods and reasons as I will really be sad > and you get banned from the wiki and in the long term OSM Wiki will be > worse off without you contributing your expertise to it. > > Respectfully, > Blake > > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Ilya Zverev <i...@zverev.info> wrote: >> I agree. >> >> Verdy p is very hard to work with on the wiki, and his number of edits makes >> his work virtually unverifyable and unrevertable. I assume has has alienated >> a lot of wiki contributors, including few people I know. >> >> Ilya >> >> Andrew Hain wrote: >>> It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently. His >>> behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative >>> value. It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes >>> and as a result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or >>> given up completely. He likes to tell people that they have made mistakes >>> without trying to teach them what he thinks they did wrong and obfuscates >>> changes with mass reformatting. It is often unclear whether he is >>> addressing a problem that actually exists. He often projects his own >>> personality deficiencies onto other people. Even in the current case where >>> there is software that could be made more flexible, he only offers >>> handwaving rather than assistance. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > >
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