Vilius Šumskas wrote:
argh. wasn't it you who tried to brainwash Sierra against that
prove-to-be-over-16 quiz in its Leisure Suit Larry game, back in those
CGA days?
AHAHAHA. Good one :) You made my day.
Leisure Suit Larry rocked!
errata. IIRC, it's proof-to-be-18+, not over 16;
Hello vitalie,
On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:56:48 +0300 GMT (19/05/2007, 15:56 +0700 GMT),
vitalie vrabie wrote:
argh. wasn't it you who tried to brainwash Sierra against that
prove-to-be-over-16 quiz in its Leisure Suit Larry game, back in those
CGA days?
I don't play games, so I don't know what
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
Do you have a website so we can read this dialog? Should be fun. ;-)
what for? wanna pass the link to your friends, or what?
here it is:
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg84624.html
vv after all… have a nice weekend to you too!
Same to
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
I don't play games, so I don't know what this is about.
by the way, you'd better do.
it's a far less harmful way to explore the wisdoms of life, than to mess
up with security/encryption and sensitive data.
--
Signed,
Vitalie.
Hello vitalie,
On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:09:35 +0300 GMT (19/05/2007, 18:09 +0700 GMT),
vitalie vrabie wrote:
Do you have a website so we can read this dialog? Should be fun.
vv what for? wanna pass the link to your friends, or what?
vv here it is:
vv
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
vv errata. IIRC, it's proof-to-be-18+, not over 16; cuz that kid got
vv famous for heavily objecting against the question how old is your mom?
vv with the answer 36 or more as the correct one. same argumentation
vv style was presented: guys, who the hell are you to ask
Hello vitalie,
On Sat, 19 May 2007 16:45:46 +0300 GMT (19/05/2007, 20:45 +0700 GMT),
vitalie vrabie wrote:
Sounds like fun to read.
vv ah, that one. wasn't quite a dialog. just a story. it was in some paper
vv magazine years ago, not sure if it is on the web now.
I see. Too bad that we will
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
vv ah, that one. wasn't quite a dialog. just a story. it was in some paper
vv magazine years ago, not sure if it is on the web now.
I see. Too bad that we will have to close the OT thread now. I smell
fish coming. ;-)
what fish? one missed sale (a refund to an
Hello vitalie
On Saturday, May 19, 2007 you wrote:
will be preferred by any company, than lots of other customers having a
pretext to sue it (for letting their underage kids play that game) -- if
your nose is in this direction.
... and the fish are starting to SMELL :D
--
Rick
The Bat
Hello vitalie,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 20:59:13 +0300 GMT (17/05/2007, 00:59 +0700 GMT),
vitalie vrabie wrote:
You have really insulted the intelligence of the TB users. If some are
stupid enough to click YES, that is *their* problem. Why on earth
would you forbid *me* to accept an expired
Hello Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 19:01:46 +0300 GMT (16/05/2007, 23:01 +0700 GMT),
Vilius Šumskas wrote:
So, many people press YES YES ES. So what? What if *I* read the
messages? Does the email client have to nanny me because your
grandmother doesn't read them?
VŠ Does my grandmother have
Hello Vilius,
On Thu, 17 May 2007 09:55:34 +0300 GMT (17/05/2007, 13:55 +0700 GMT),
Vilius Šumskas wrote:
VŠ So IMHO in nowadays world where everyone has at least stable
VŠ 128kbps POP3 is a legacy.
Where did you get these statistics from? In fact, I don't know anybody
over here who uses IMAP,
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
vv treat it as an exam question: what is the difference between security
vv and encryption?
I don't take exam questions from you, but it has already been answered
in the meantime anyway. ;-)
vv if you answer correctly, you qualify for such decisions. ;)
It's not up
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
vv treat it as an exam question: what is the difference between security
vv and encryption?
I don't take exam questions from you, but it has already been answered
in the meantime anyway.
vv if you answer correctly, you qualify for such decisions.
It's not up
Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] rašė:
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 23:08:18 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 3:08 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
V But it is very security sensitive decision. Let's say you are
V competent to make it, let's say I'm, most of IT guys are too.
agreed.
V But what
Gary wrote:
v treat it as an exam question: what is the difference between security
v and encryption?
A. I can log into any POP server that I am a registered user using the
standard port 110. I must authenticate to get into the server to get my
mail.
B. I can log into any POPS server that
Gary wrote:
To put it another way, if I can connect to a server via POP or IMAP, after I
authenticate, why will it not let me connect securely, when I can connect
normally. It should be my choice, since I can connect anyway. Does that not
makes sense?
no, it doesn't make sense. since you
vitalie vrabie wrote:
by the way, where are you from?
i think of moving to that country, if true are your claims that
ignorance on essential things does still qualify to make a living on it...
addendum (to make my point clear, so it won't look as an offense,
because it's actually not):
i'm
Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] rašė:
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:47:05 +0300 UTC (5/15/2007, 4:47 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not
allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and
configure
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 07:51:38AM +0300 or thereabouts, vitalie vrabie wrote:
Gary wrote:
decisions if I want to accept a cert or not. Jumping through hoops to get to
an IMAP server, after you used Stunnel a few 1000 times, is just a pain -
unnecessary I might add. It is just easier to
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 09:32:43AM +0300 or thereabouts, Vilius ??umskas wrote:
2. Here is where your above statement is flawed. In order to log in your
server, you have to AUTHENTICATE you must provide a password or in
combo
with CRAM-MD5 or some such, although it could be plain.
Hello Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:47:05 +0300 GMT (16/05/2007, 04:47 +0700 GMT),
Vilius Šumskas wrote:
because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not
allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and
configure it manually, then open up that
Hello Thomas,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 4:40:20 AM, you wrote:
V� Actually this is very good decision. Many users just don't read what's
V� written on every popup. They press YES YES YES.
While I don't use IMAP, this was the most ridiculous reply I've seen
on this list for a long while.
So,
They just want to send and recieve mail, it's our (admins) job to make
it work.
And thanks Ritlabs making this job easier!
Current beta is 3.99.06 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Thomas Fernandez wrote:
You have really insulted the intelligence of the TB users. If some are
stupid enough to click YES, that is *their* problem. Why on earth
would you forbid *me* to accept an expired certificate, if I so
choose?
treat it as an exam question: what is the difference
Hi Vitalie,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 20:59:13 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 12:59 PM -0500 UTC my
time), vitalie vrabie wrote:
You have really insulted the intelligence of the TB users. If some are
stupid enough to click YES, that is *their* problem. Why on earth
would you forbid *me* to accept an
Hello all,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, Gary wrote:
B and D only allows me to send and receive packets securely. Since I still
can into the server by authentication using A and C, what difference does it
make?
Answer:NONE
so do You understand what is difference between
Hi Marek,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:01:35 +0200 UTC (5/16/2007, 2:01 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Marek Mikus wrote:
B and D only allows me to send and receive packets securely. Since I still
can into the server by authentication using A and C, what difference does it
make?
Answer:
Hello Vili,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 8:37:00 PM, you wrote:
They just want to send and recieve mail, it's our (admins) job to make
it work.
And thanks Ritlabs making this job easier!
Let me rephrase the discussion here: Ritlabs does a good job following
the rules, while other email
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 10:24:48 PM, you wrote:
M BTW if B and D allows You secure packets *only*, why You need it?
ding, ding, ding. We have a winner here.. the answer is
You don't need it! and .. since you do not need it to get(POP) or see
(IMAP) your mail on
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:33:53 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 2:33 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
You don't need it! and .. since you do not need it to get(POP) or see
(IMAP) your mail on the server, which can only be done with authentication
in the first place, the choice
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 5:33:01 PM, you wrote:
4. Every other email client allows the user to choose whether he wishes
to accept a cert, any cert for IMAP. I'm a grown up guy, and I can make
my own decisions if I want to accept a cert or not. Jumping through
hoops to get to an
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 10:43:37 PM, you wrote:
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:33:53 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 2:33 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
You don't need it! and .. since you do not need it to get(POP) or see
(IMAP) your mail on the server, which can
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:45:36 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 2:45 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
read up on DNS. Have you ever built DNS servers professionally, or
maintained at least one? Do you understand how it works. Have you ever
built email/IMAP/POP servers
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 10:43:37 PM, you wrote:
It is a problem in TB! because TB! will not allow the user to accept a cert.
It makes that decision for him/her, and that answer is always no, you cannot
connect (if the cert is outdated)..
But it is very security sensitive
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 11:04:55 PM, you wrote:
V You don't need to redirect user data for this. Simply own a
V server/router in between, create a certificate and make the server
V transparent.
Great, easily done, now how do you get my (or anyone's) password into your
fake IMAP
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 23:19:06 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 3:19 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
V You don't. You will authentificate to your real server. But as my
V router/imap server will be transparent you will never know this.
V For example on Linux it is done like this:
V
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 11:51:06 PM, you wrote:
V You don't. You will authentificate to your real server. But as my
V router/imap server will be transparent you will never know this.
V For example on Linux it is done like this:
V iptables -A PREROUTING -d myserveripfromvictimside
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:56:09 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 2:56 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
To put it another way, if I can connect to a server via POP or IMAP, after I
authenticate, why will it not let me connect securely, when I can connect
normally. It should be my
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 23:08:18 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 3:08 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
V But it is very security sensitive decision. Let's say you are
V competent to make it, let's say I'm, most of IT guys are too.
agreed.
V But what about my mom, your little sister,
Hi Maxim,
On Thu, 17 May 2007 00:09:16 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 4:09 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Maxim Masiutin wrote:
M TLS assures confidentiality and integrity of the information.
M Confidentiality means that nobody in transit (that has access to the
M data channel) can read your messages while
Hi Maxim,
On Thu, 17 May 2007 00:13:07 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 4:13 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Maxim Masiutin wrote:
It is a problem in that it is a matter of convenience to the user. Where the
user can always connect otherwise using a standard connection on 143 (in
most cases, depending if the IMAP
Hi Vilius,
On Thu, 17 May 2007 00:01:31 +0300 UTC (5/16/2007, 4:01 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
V You'll be suprised how many people send their banking passwords,
V social numbers and credit card information through email :)
hee, hee... no I would not :) also medical
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 02:51:36PM -0400 or thereabouts, Vili wrote:
Is there anybody using IMAP with TLS on the 993 port?
I only use SSL with IMAP, port 993.
There is this IMAP server: www.citymarket.hu
With telnet, I see that the 993 port is open, Thunderbird, OE can
connect to it with
Hello Vili,
Tuesday, May 15, 2007, 9:51:36 PM, you wrote:
Is there anybody using IMAP with TLS on the 993 port?
Yes, works fine here.
There is this IMAP server: www.citymarket.hu
With telnet, I see that the 993 port is open, Thunderbird, OE can
connect to it with SSL. TB says:
Hello Gary,
Wednesday, May 16, 2007, 12:34:55 AM, you wrote:
because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not
allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and
configure it manually, then open up that first, then use TB! for that
server. You see the
Hi Vilius,
On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:47:05 +0300 UTC (5/15/2007, 4:47 PM -0500 UTC my
time), Vilius Šumskas wrote:
because TB! is the only client on the face of the planet which will not
allow you to accept an expired cert, you have to install Stunnel and
configure it manually, then open up
Gary wrote:
decisions if I want to accept a cert or not. Jumping through hoops to get to
an IMAP server, after you used Stunnel a few 1000 times, is just a pain -
unnecessary I might add. It is just easier to use another client.
...or another server.
after all, will you trust servers with
Hello, harlekin.
You wrote 16.03.2006 @ 21:45 in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
using mailer: The Bat! (v3.72.02 (Beta)) Professional
hhed Has anybody experienced problems with this?
hhed Iґm trying to get IMAP with TLS working.
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