Re[2]: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA

2006-10-12 Thread Gleason Pace
Alexander, Hello Maxim Masiutin everyone else, on 11-Okt-2006 at 21:53 you (Maxim Masiutin) wrote: should work faster than before. Screens redraws (ie. when opening/closing a separate message window) are *maybe* a little bit faster than before. Maybe the difference is not there and I'm

Re: The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA

2006-10-11 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 3.86.03 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38603.rar It should fix the problems with OTFE of previous beta, and should work faster than before. But this ALPHA is not yet well tested, please use it with

Re: IMAP Alternative

2006-08-24 Thread Gleason Pace
Alto, Hi, just a note for the IMAP sufferers: Mulberry is now available free of charge. It is indeed a considerable change from TheBat in terms of user interface, but on the other hand IMAP works almost without hitches - not even comparable to TheBat's unpromising efforts. As a long

Re: The Bat! 3.81.15 Beta is now available

2006-08-20 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, I haven't been able to pinpoint a consistent behavior, but this beta is unstable with imap. I see that the Connection Center has a tendency to stop recording tasks that continue to fire. When that happens, the program will die soon. I am getting cascading av's for the first time in

Re[3]: The Bat! 3.81.15 Beta is now available

2006-08-20 Thread Gleason Pace
Stuart, Hello Gleason, Dwight et al, Saturday, August 19, 2006, 11:22:29 PM, you wrote: Reported to bug track. Please confirm. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5974 Done. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.81.15 Beta on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the

Re[2]: status of IMAP support?

2006-08-08 Thread Gleason Pace
Vilius, Hello Fabio, Tuesday, August 8, 2006, 7:36:38 PM, you wrote: Hello tbbeta, I have been using TB! for years with pop3 accounts, and now I'd linke to switch to IMAP (on my own server). I have read lots of negative comments about IMAP some months ago, then quite no

Re: The Bat! 3.81.06 Beta is now available

2006-07-05 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hello, The Bat! 3.81.06 Beta is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#0005931) Messages Tab gui oddity; not showing searched text [-] (#0005917) TB! v. 3.81.04 fails to paint a complete window on launch; and the

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.81.04 is now available

2006-06-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, On Wednesday, June 14, 2006, 4:21:03 AM, 9Val wrote: The Bat! 3.81.04 didn't get the usual question whether wanted to run a beta Perhaps an unintended improvement. Perhaps this is not a beta? , and not marked beta in help/about either. -- Gleason Using The Bat!

Re: The Bat! 3.81.03 BETA

2006-06-13 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Hello All, The Bat! 3.81.03 BETA is available at https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb38103.rar [-] (#0005875) TB requires restart when changing pre-defined IMAP folders, but without warning [-] (#0005405) Setting of IMAP connections in Account properties

Re[2]: TB's HTML capabilities

2006-05-27 Thread Gleason Pace
Thomas, Hello Gleason, GP You simply want to have a client that converses as an html equal GP with OE and friends. At present, only they can do that. Let's hope that Ritlabs' project will come close in due course, then. I mean, in the areas I mentioned. You have done so much, Rit, and

Re[2]: TB's HTML capabilities

2006-05-22 Thread Gleason Pace
Thomas, GP Agreed, probably nobody does this better than OE and those that use OE components. Not sure what you want to say. I'll have to live with it? The implication being that html editing is a large undertaking. I am glad that Rit has focused on other things since version 3.0xxx GP

Re: TB's HTML capabilities (was: Bug 5376 closed?!)

2006-05-21 Thread Gleason Pace
Thomas, Most of my colleagues use Eudora Light (freeware), which can handle HTML mails much better. Can the Rit developers (is Diman in charge?) kindly take a look at how Eudora handles this very well? And other things not so. Eudora uses OE components to display html. Native support for

Re[2]: TB's HTML capabilities

2006-05-21 Thread Gleason Pace
Thomas, My colleague you receives the same email in Eudora hits reply, and the colouring of the comments is maintained. He can now add his own comments in just another colour, and when he sends his message, the recipient will see it that way. I cannot do that with TB. Agreed, probably

Re[2]: Bug 5376 closed?!

2006-05-20 Thread Gleason Pace
Simon, Hi Alexander, In your messagemid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]sent on Saturday, May 20, 2006, 3:05:44 PM, you wrote: ASK Its still hard to believe that this is set to "verify ASK fail". I dare to say that anyone who loads 3.0.1.33, ASK opens a message in a separate window, and compares the

Re[4]: Bug 5376 closed?!

2006-05-20 Thread Gleason Pace
Vili, ASK Its still hard to believe that this is set to "verify ASK fail". I dare to say that anyone who loads 3.0.1.33, ASK opens a message in a separate window, and compares the ASK speed of the window drawing in 3.0.1.33 with the ASK current version, will be able to confirm that it is ASK

Re[2]: Bug 5376 closed?!

2006-05-20 Thread Gleason Pace
Alexander, Now open a message in a separate window. Notice how the window *instantly* opens (and closes). Then try with any version above 3.50 - notice how you can almost watch the single window elements (borders etc.) be opened/closed. No, I am not seeing this. I do get a fairly

Re[2]: Post-release version 3.80.06 is available

2006-05-13 Thread Gleason Pace
Thomas, GP Yes, and also constructive criticism. I assume your comment GP above falls in the latter category. So where is the greater GP courtesy, in not wasting our time in evaluating when that is not GP really needed, or in asking for an GP evaluation every time regardless? Do you even

Re[2]: Post-release version 3.80.06 is available

2006-05-12 Thread Gleason Pace
MAU, Hello Marek, updated final version is available on www.ritlabs.com. Once again RIT fully ignores us and releases a version without even a few minutes of testing by beta testers. Oh well! Live to see! It looks fine to me. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.80.06 on Windows XP

Re[2]: Post-release version 3.80.06 is available

2006-05-12 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, On Friday, May 12, 2006, 11:22:10 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: Once again RIT fully ignores us and releases a version without even a few minutes of testing by beta testers. Oh well! Live to see! It looks fine to me. maybe they got lucky, but that isn't really the point Perhaps

Re[2]: Post-release version 3.80.06 is available

2006-05-12 Thread Gleason Pace
MAU, Hello Gleason, Once again RIT fully ignores us and releases a version without even a few minutes of testing by beta testers. Oh well! Live to see! It looks fine to me. maybe they got lucky, but that isn't really the point Perhaps they don't need us to manage policy for them.

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.80 Release Candidate 1 is now available

2006-04-26 Thread Gleason Pace
vitalie, fired up like a charm! ...installed over the previous *release*? cuz this is basically the most interesting point. Previous release will be long gone for most of us. It installed flawlessly here over the structure created by the last installer, modified by many betas. So

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.72.11 (Beta) is now available

2006-04-20 Thread Gleason Pace
Ian, Marek, On Thursday, April 20, 2006, 2:27:43 PM, you (Marek Mikus) wrote: MM Hello all, MM Wednesday, April 19, 2006, Simon wrote: In your messagemid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]sent on Wednesday, April 19, 2006, 10:08:32 PM, you wrote: ZW This is very useful option, but in my opinion it

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.72.11 (Beta) is now available

2006-04-20 Thread Gleason Pace
Stuart, Confirmed. I dont see it here either See attached screenshot After looking closely at your screenshot, I do see that I have these options. And that they do put a newest/oldest message in the thread header position. Thanks. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.72.11 (Beta) on

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.72.10 (Beta) is now available

2006-04-15 Thread Gleason Pace
Martin, Hello all, up and running with OTFE, POP3-only. But see attached picture. I have this issue for about 4 to 5 betas now. Is this how attachments should be shown? Regards, Martin Right click on the attachment pane, go to view submenu. You have 4 placement options and a icon

Re[3]: The Bat! 3.72.10 (Beta) is now available

2006-04-15 Thread Gleason Pace
Goncalo, I wonder how I can change/configure the HTML editor. I always get this fugly blue bar on the left that marks the quoted text. As far as my dim eyes can see, the blue bar is the wave of the future for quoted text in html. Several other clients are proud of moving up to this

Re[2]: Implementing a 'Scoring system' with TB filters

2006-04-07 Thread Gleason Pace
vitalie, I'm lazy too ;) That's why I back it up, so I don't have to rebuild what I built once :) and you, obviously, obey all the wisdom presented at http://www.taobackup.com, don't you? :) Is making backups a religion? For some of us... My strategy: have the OS in a hard

Re: The Bat! 3.72.08 (Beta) is now available

2006-04-07 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hello All, The Bat! 3.72.08 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] when an attachment size is exact, it won't be shown as approx. [-] (#0004054) Errors while importing LDIF go to EXCEPT.LOG and do not cancel

Re: The Bat! 3.72.05 (Beta) is now available

2006-03-29 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Running well here. The new customizer is impressive. Good work. Hello All, The Bat! 3.72.05 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ WARNING: new customizer uses different file format, so it is highly recomended to backup existing tbuser.def before

Re: The Bat! 3.72.02 (Beta) is now available

2006-03-15 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hi All, The Bat! 3.72.02 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] updated www.ritlabs.com URLs where the app makes references to. [-] (#0004722) Virtual Folders not showing all messages it should [-] IMAP: remote outbox

Re: The Bat! 3.72.01 (Beta) is now available

2006-03-10 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hi All, The Bat! 3.72.01 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [*] Updated RitLabs PGP key [-] (#0005663) Stop messages search not recognized [-] (#0005742) LDAP Addressbook search could cause AVs [-] filename added to

Re: Coloured sorting (was: The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) is now available)

2006-02-02 Thread Gleason Pace
MAU, Hello 9Val, [*] Other: Coloured sorting key column of the message list is back And what is that? Open the message list columns dialog, put a check where it says color group. That puts a color group column in the message list. Click on the column heading to

Re: The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) is now available

2006-02-01 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hello All, The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Still looking good here. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.70.07 Qigong (Beta) on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP software.

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) is now available

2006-01-28 Thread Gleason Pace
Denis, Hello, 9Val. [*] Configurable confirmations Doesn't work well. I unchecked deleting message group, pressed OK, but when I opened Options - Preferences - Confirmations again, I see this option as checked. What am I doing wrong? Confirmed. That one doesn't stay unchecked --

Re: The Bat! 3.70.03 Qigong (Beta) is now available

2006-01-26 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, The Bat! 3.70.03 Qigong (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [*] IMAP: message list list retrieval optimizations [*] IMAP: overall stability improvement TB IMAP is working very well here. Thanks. -- Gleason

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.70.02 Qigong is now available

2006-01-24 Thread Gleason Pace
Curtis, On 23/1/2006 at 10:53:15 PM [GMT -0500], Keith Russell wrote: The Bat! seems to have real problems deleting IMAP messages. I haven't seen this reported here, but may have missed it. If I try to delete a message in TB!, sometimes it disappears from the folder immediately, but more

Re[2]: 3.65.03 - IMAP

2006-01-17 Thread Gleason Pace
Peter, SC Just in case anyone was still interested, IMAP problems are SC still plentiful in this version. Recent work on imap filters makes me think somebody is interested. SC 1) Folder counts do not add up. Yes. SC 2) Still get duplicates regularly. Not confirmed. SC 3) Still

Re: The Bat! 3.65.03 is now available

2006-01-16 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, I have been so discouraged with TB. I told myself that I wasn't going to try it again until the day that it immediately filters everything in the IMAP inbox to the correct location when it starts. Today was the day. And as I work with it and watch what it is doing, I see that filters

Re: Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat! 3.65.03 is now available)

2006-01-16 Thread Gleason Pace
Marck, Dear Gleason, @16-Jan-2006, 12:18 -0500 (16-Jan 17:18 here) Gleason Pace [GP] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to 9Val: ... snip GP .. OK, TB, you get another chance. ... but not the list rules, huh? ;-) Arg. It was such a dainty little top post. -- Gleason Using

Re: The Bat! 3.65.02 (addresses Exchange and Outlook issues only) is now available

2006-01-13 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Hello All, The Bat! 3.65.02 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/beta/tbb36502.rar [-] Import from MS Office 2000 Outlook and earlier didn't work in The Bat! since version 2.05. [*] Better error logging for MAPI Exchange connections. [-] When

Re: About TB folders

2005-12-14 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, If I have a mail I want to send Wednesday, which I finish on Monday, where do you suggest I put it when it is done? And it has to have a flag. How about a color group for pending messages, and a memo telling you when it should be sent? You could put it anywhere, even parked in the

Re: The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available

2005-12-14 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hello All, The Bat! 3.63.11 (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Up and running well here. Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#0005396) Move up, Move down, Move in, Move out are not working correctly when moving folders across

Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?

2005-12-13 Thread Gleason Pace
Peter Fjelsten, GP The last time I tried to use this, TB placed a series of copies of GP the message in the outbox with parked flags. It seems to me that a GP copy of the message in its most recent form would be sufficient. GP Also, once the message has been successfully sent, the draft

Re: Folder hierarchy in POP3 accounts [was Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?]

2005-12-13 Thread Gleason Pace
Mary Bull, By server hierarchy, are you still talking about behavior in IMAP? Yes, IMAP. I paid attention to your complaint, before, when you first posted about this happening to you, and although I would like to rearrange the Account Tree (folder hierarchy) in my own two Accounts (which

Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?

2005-12-12 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim Masiutin, I don't have a great preference about a draft folder. What I would like is a way to periodically save messages in the process of being created so, if there is a system or program crash while I am in the process of creating the message, I don't have to start over. Parking a copy

Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?

2005-12-12 Thread Gleason Pace
Zygmunt Wereszczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I would like is a way to periodically save messages in the process of being created so, if there is a system or program crash while I am in the process of creating the message, I don't have to start over. Such feature exists in The Bat! since

Re: The Bat! 3.63.09 and the Outbox Protection Feature

2005-12-10 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, When this option is ON, and you click Copy to folder menu item, the Outbox folder is not shown in the list. Also, if you try to use Drag-And-Drop to copy messages to Outbox, the cursor gets prohibited shape. Please let us know whether it should be ON by default. I much prefer off.

Re: The Bat! 3.62.14 is now available

2005-11-09 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hi All, So the .14 version is finally released and we start new beta cycle. It has just some cosmetic fixes over .13, but if someone likes to see higher version numbers, he could download .14 here: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi

Re: The Bat! 3.62.12 is now available

2005-11-04 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hi All, The Bat! 3.62.12 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_pro_3-62.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi EXE only version is located here: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/beta/tbb36212.rar

Re[2]: About release

2005-10-30 Thread Gleason Pace
Alexander, I'm puzzled - again. Just from looking at the sheer number of coders that are assigned to BT reports (9Val, VV, Maxim, Diman, you... forgot someone for sure, sorry), I always thought there were many programmers, and that *this* is the reason why fancy features make it into the

Re: Cascading AV on new release

2005-10-27 Thread Gleason Pace
Marck, Hi TB Beta list members, I'm getting an AV when closing the ticker view and ended up with the attached as a cascading error which resulted in a final ungraceful exit (TB just vanished). Confirmed. I have not tied it to a specific event, but I did get the cascading AV messages. --

Re[2]: Cascading AV on new release

2005-10-27 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, On Thursday, October 27, 2005, 10:12:52 AM, Richard Newman wrote: I'm getting External exception 8003 upon normal exit. I can confirm that. After all the processing, get that exception, then when hit ok, bat closes, get chance to send error message, and get the exception one

Re[2]: Cascading AV on new release

2005-10-27 Thread Gleason Pace
Stuart, With all respect for you (and everybody), it looks like you haven't grasped what beta testing is for and why it was invented. Don't be daft. if all that was don't to crash it was log off, just how much testing /can/ have been done? 1) the program behaves differently on different

Re: The Bat! 3.62 is now available

2005-10-24 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, I get internal error 2349 when installing. When restarting TB, the version number is still 3.61.14. Hi All, The Bat! 3.62 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-62.msi

Re[3]: The Bat! 3.62 is now available

2005-10-24 Thread Gleason Pace
Vili, The fresh download did solve the problem. Thanks. I get internal error 2349 when installing. When restarting TB, the version number is still 3.61.14. What does internal error 2349 mean while installing? This is a Windows Installer (MSI) error. It means Copy Resumed With Different

Re: AV when trying to open scheduler

2005-10-24 Thread Gleason Pace
Melanie, Hello tbbeta, i get this, before the scheduler is opened: --- The Bat! --- Access violation at address 0084B3B9 in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 0008. --- OK ---

Re[2]: Adventures with TB

2005-10-11 Thread Gleason Pace
Clive, Mulberry's speed comes from efficiency. You do far more with much less transfer of data. TB! is doing too much in the background and requires too much data transfer to be productive I'd buy that. It's the difference in philosophy between a POP and IMAP developed client, I suppose.

Re[5]: Adventures with TB

2005-10-11 Thread Gleason Pace
In all fairness, the company is now in Chapter 7. My question is aimed at trying to find the real comparison that would be used. One of my criteria is that the software has be a going concern. Not one from a ceased company. If a person's concern is to find an example that works well and

Adventures with TB

2005-10-10 Thread Gleason Pace
Fifth attempt to write this message. The previous four ended in a locked and not responding TB. TB has been doing normal tasks so well lately that I thought I might look at some of the other things it can do. I saw in the folder context menu that I can move folders up/down and in/out. There

Re: The Bat! 3.61.11 Echo (Beta) is now available

2005-10-07 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hi All, The Bat! 3.61.11 Echo (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] (#612) Date formatting macros (e.g. ODATESHORT) did ignore user overrides to the locale's default date format. [-] (#0004699)

Re: The Bat! 3.61.08 Echo (Beta) is now available

2005-09-28 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Not seeing as many problems on my Pro as some Home users, but I did get a cascading AV when trying to reply. And filters seem to be not working at all. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) |

Re: 3.61.07

2005-09-23 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Running well here. Hello All, 3.61.07 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tbb36107.rar [+] Tabs: d'n'd editing ability [-] Tabs: now when selecting folder temporary aren't removed and tab doesn't change [-] AV on printing [-] Filters: 'Export

Re: The Bat! 3.61.05 Echo (Beta) is now available

2005-09-17 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, [-] IMAP: sometimes not updated counters after synchronization Counters are still sometimes not updated after marking all messages in a folder as read. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.61.05 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server

Re: The Bat! 3.61.05 Echo (Beta) is now available

2005-09-16 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Hi All, The Bat! 3.61.05 Echo (Beta) is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Looks good here. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.61.05 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus.

Re[4]: The Bat! 3.61.05 Echo (Beta) is now available

2005-09-16 Thread Gleason Pace
SC Options/Preferences/Messages/Tabs, but don't ask me what it does. I SC have set up two tabs, but I can't see what they are supposed to have SC done. View/Message List Tabs. Very interesting and useful function. You have tabs for folders, flag, and view mode. A way to distinguish

Re[2]: new release announcement

2005-09-02 Thread Gleason Pace
Mary, I guess we'll have to wait for the developers to answer your question, which is also my question. The new 3.60 final msi identifies itself as 3.60.07 as you see below. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP

Re: The Bat! 3.60.01 is now available

2005-08-17 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, The Bat! 3.60.01 is now available from: Looks good here. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.60.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is none |

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.60.01 is now available

2005-08-17 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, CP There is a noticeable delay (3-4 seconds) before the mouse regains CP control when you click on the the Refresh menu entry. Forgot to mention, that VF unread counter working was significantly changed, so could you give a little bit more attention to it? The VF unread counter

Re[3]: The Bat! 3.60.01 is now available

2005-08-17 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, The VF unread counter seems to be ok now. So far, I have been unable to find a single thing wrong with virtual folders. This is great. Yes, I did find a problem with virtual folders. After using one for a while set to collect new messages from several real folders, it shows one with

Re: IMAP - Generally slower and not working as well as 3.51.10

2005-08-17 Thread Gleason Pace
Stuart, I am generally seeing that IMAP is slower and not filtering as well as the previous release. I know that many are not using TB filtering capabilities, but can anyone confirm. Clicking on a message leaves me looking at the No message loaded message longer than it ever used to. Also,

Re[3]: New Beta ?

2005-08-13 Thread Gleason Pace
Goncalo, You're missing the point of the complaints. IMHO we complain because features sneak in without being announced and lately a beta cycle isn't over and a new beta cycle begins without a release in between. I guess I think Rit should be able to decide when to do a release. To

Re: New Beta ?

2005-08-12 Thread Gleason Pace
Tim, Are we getting ready for a major rewrite or something? The betas were coming fast and furious and all of a sudden...nothing! There ain't no justice. If they send us a steady flow of betas, people complain about how features seem to move in and out of workability, and a general

unable to reach server annoyance

2005-08-01 Thread Gleason Pace
When TB can't reach the email server for whatever reason, it starts throwing up hundreds of little change password screens. One would be sufficient while it waits for me to respond. My personal preference would be for a popup that actually explains what the problem is. Changed password is not

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available

2005-07-25 Thread Gleason Pace
of beta tests. From the comments that I am seeing from testers - for example, With broken RegEx? No, thank you. - it does not seem to me that we are very close to getting an acceptable, stable release. .30 had big problems and needs to be replaced. We are not looking for a perfect release

Re[4]: The Bat! 3.51.10 is now available

2005-07-25 Thread Gleason Pace
Marek, I see lots of holes in the customizable interface. You can put redo on a toolbar, but it doesn't do anything. in MicroEd? MicroEd doesn't support Redo, it is implemented in HTML editor only. And MicroEd is an externally supplied component. Actually I would prefer the html editor

Re: About 3.51 release

2005-07-25 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Most interesting question for you is perhaps why we don't make just bug-fix release? Quite simple - there will be a lot of changes in core, so there is no sence in double work in fixing bugs, after that change big parts of core and fix new bugs while previous fixes will

Re: The Bat! 3.51.7 is now available

2005-07-21 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Appears to be running well. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information:

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available

2005-07-19 Thread Gleason Pace
Matt, IMAP - This beta has IMAP reverting to long waits for messages to load, having to stop and restart IMAP sessions, restarting TB, etc. I went back to 3.5.36 and it's working well again. I see all that aggravating behavior gone. In fact, this is the first version that I have considered

Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available

2005-07-15 Thread Gleason Pace
Here is a short list of changes: What's happened to the promised focus on IMAP problems? I have an idea that these unicode/localization issues will take over for a few months at least. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the

Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available

2005-07-15 Thread Gleason Pace
Clive, I have an idea that these unicode/localization issues will take over for a few months at least. I do hope you're wrong Gleason, because I'm running out of patience with TB. Given that Mulberry is working so well with IMAP day-to-day I'm seriously considering not reinstalling TB when I

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available

2005-07-15 Thread Gleason Pace
TheBat!3.51.4isnowavailablefrom: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ That'sgoodtoknowbutIcannotlogintothatsiteanymore.I've readinthisgroupthatothershavethesameproblem. Worked for me just now. -- Gleason UsingTheBat!v3.51.4onWindowsXP5.1Build2600 ServicePack2PrimarilyusingtheFastmail

Re: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available

2005-07-15 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ So far, this looks like a good version. Message views come right up, no blank screens. Will look for the AV's when opening a reply screen that I got with the last one. I did get 100+ duplicate server interactions

Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.4 is now available

2005-07-15 Thread Gleason Pace
Zygmunt, Yes, that is what I have been trying to describe. On Friday, July 15, 2005, at 14:24:02 [UTC-0700] (Friday, July 15, 2005 23:24 my local time) Gleason Pace wrote: Worked for me just now. I used your message in HTML format for testing purposes. My default editor is MicroEd

Re: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available

2005-07-14 Thread Gleason Pace
This version clogs up in the task manager often, runs generally slow, and will often give a runtime error when opening a reply window. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.51.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus.

A bit of perspective

2005-07-07 Thread Gleason Pace
>From the Pegasus mail discussion list.This is not a beta tester's list, so many don't have access to the betas, and of course they all wish they did.Notice how he says he went back to beta 30 because the rc public beta was not useable for him.Sound familiar? Forwarded Message

Re[3]: 3.51

2005-07-06 Thread Gleason Pace
Vili, Account, Properties, Mail management, When inactive, disconnect after this time: uncheck, and Account, Properties, Mail management, Automatically connect to server: When account is selected, checked. This way you will be fine. My settings have always been this way. I find

Re: Re[2]: Persistant bugs.

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Could you please enumerate exactly which shourtcuts work wrong way, and we will fix it. Cntrl-m does not mark all messages read. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information:

Re[4]: Persistant bugs.

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Could you please enumerate exactly which shourtcuts work wrong way, and we will fix it. Cntrl-m does not mark all messages read. But in 36 it does. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which

Re[2]: another reason for the ability to edit incoming mail

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, Then I'd delete the old, original message. Yes, I would, even if that destroyed the record that it had been sent and received. I just want to be able to click in the message, delete about 8 characters, click save, or CtrlS or some such, and be done with it. OE, Eudora, Mutt on

Re[2]: 3.5.36

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Bill, Thanks for the latest beta. Here are a few observations: (1) Under the Main menu, Specials has Watch Replies In as blank again. Not confirmed. It does seem that I am not getting that annoying Could not compose message for uploading message now. Sometimes fixes sneak in when

Re[2]: another reason for the ability to edit incoming mail

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Mary, I think, from what I read in the discussion sometime earlier this year on TBUDL, that it was a policy decision based on a strongly held perception that it is wrong to make changes to Received messages. Because that presents a different security problem. I'm not sure there is a

Re[3]: another reason for the ability to edit incoming mail

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
TB is still sending duplicate messages sometimes, I see. -- Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using

Re[2]: another reason for the ability to edit incoming mail

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Roelof, GPTBisstillsendingduplicatemessagessometimes,Isee. Well,Iaven'tsdeenaduplicatemessageonthetb-listsforquite sometime.Iguessitmightaserverproblematyourside. Might be, but the way it looks to me is that if I take a while considering what I am saying it will send dups. It was pretty

Re[2]: another reason for the ability to edit incoming mail

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Dwight, ThenI'ddeletetheold,originalmessage.Yes,Iwould,evenifthat destroyedtherecordthatithadbeensentandreceived. Ijustwanttobeabletoclickinthemessage,deleteabout8 characters,clicksave,orCtrlSorsomesuch,andbedonewithit. OE,Eudora,MuttonLinux.Anyofthesewillallowyoutoeditthe

Re: another reason for the ability to edit incoming mail

2005-07-01 Thread Gleason Pace
Allie Martin It sounds to me like you're using a server side Outbox and this doesn't always work out well. You need to switch to using a local Outbox. Sounds like a useful suggestion. I see in the imap account properties where I can specify an outbox, but all the choices are on the server.

Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...

2005-06-29 Thread Gleason Pace
More like a house of cards that keeps getting taller and taller... Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. I don't think that follows. They said they were adding unicode support, and that it involves some changes in program architecture. It is to be expected

Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...

2005-06-29 Thread Gleason Pace
ASK Are you a programmer? Yes. And you have maintained projects of similar complexity, I assume? Good point. Look around at the other candidates. See how they mostly have approximately 10 year development histories. See how they all are at one level of disarray or another. What is it

Re[2]: 3.5.31 vs 3.5.30

2005-06-25 Thread Gleason Pace
Manuel, Iwouldhavesuggestedtowaitadayortooandseeforerror-reports.If everything'sfinethen,Maximcouldhaveasked.:) Forme,thisquestionseemsabit"indecisive"(don'tknowifthatfits correctlyhere,sorry.)! The problem has not been Maxim's indecisiveness. RIT has released some versions lately that

Re: 3.5.31 vs 3.5.30

2005-06-25 Thread Gleason Pace
Maxim, Is3.5.31generallybetterthan3.5.30?ShouldweupdatetheMSIandthedownloadpage? One problem that I have had for the last 10 betas or so is that I will often get a notice saying that TB was unable to prepare the message for uploading when trying to send email. I am not out of disk space. I

Re: A little roadmap

2005-06-24 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, So, how some testers have already seen, I've returned at the beginning of the week. It took a long time to read all messages :-) Good to see your smiling face. We are taking course to not-fixed-date releases, which means no deadlines and no rush. Only approved by

Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available

2005-06-24 Thread Gleason Pace
9Val, Impressive list. Hi All, The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Here is a short list of changes: [-] IMAP : optimizations on new message arrival [-] IMAP : progress bar index out of range on purge/compress [-] IMAP : possibility to purge

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