[ec]_Moderators Announcement

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
<<<< this post by Eddie Castelli [ec] ed...@50mincoach.com >>>> Dear The, (aka Thomas) --->>> The Bat Beta / Wednesday 25-Jul-18, 08:07:52 Moderators Announcement > Otherwise, mailing lists will become unusable and hence a thing of the > past

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: sender name and address

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 2:23:06 PM, you wrote: > Hello Marck, > Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 7:43:07 PM, you wrote: >> Beyond that, it may be a question of re-homing. > We can host the list at our server mailing.ritlabs.com. I think that would be a great idea. This way, you will have

Re: Cheating by the mailing list, hiding the actual author and origin of each message -- MUST END IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Title: Re: Cheating by the mailing list, hiding the actual author and origin of each message -- MUST END IMMEDIATELY! Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 1:09:20 PM, you wrote: Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 16:44 someone whose identity had been deliberately

Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Wikipedia entry that author "The Bat Beta" posted on Tue, 24 Jul 2018 10:38:19 +0200: QUOTE Mailing lists Mailing lists are a frequent cause of legitimate breakage of the original author's domain DKIM signature. They routinely change the SPF-authenticated domain, and therefore break DM

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Title: Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement) Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 8:41:57 AM, you wrote: Sometimes, >>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) >> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want.  Maxim's intent for this group >> was, I suspect, to make it

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: sender name and address

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
On 24 July 2018 at 22:23 tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote and made these points >> Beyond that, it may be a question of re-homing. TBB> We can host the list at our server mailing.ritlabs.com. That sounds like a sensible solution. May I request that I reverse the configuration change for now

Re: Moderators Announcement -- the change must be reversed immediately!

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
On 24 July 2018 at 20:43 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points ... TBB>And I want to remind the Ritlabs people that they still need TBB> to repair the suppression of the Authors in various mailing list TBB> systems, notably in Yahoo Groups, what I had pointed out to them TBB> many months

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: sender name and address

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello Marck, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 7:43:07 PM, you wrote: > Beyond that, it may be a question of re-homing. We can host the list at our server mailing.ritlabs.com. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, this mail comes to you from Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de (this is true, but since this is just text, it could by anything) am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 17:42 schrieben Sie: > DMARC compliant MTA servers receiving messages with a from hea

How to replay privately to the acutal author

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 17:14 schrieben Sie: >>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) >> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent >> for this group >> was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without havi

Cheating by the mailing list, hiding the actual author and origin of each message -- MUST END IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 16:44 someone whose identity had been deliberately hidden by the mailing list processor >>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but >>> not >>> your name. > There is no X-R

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com, this mail comes from Lüko Willms, who studies network mail since the early 1980ies. am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 10:11 schrieb Max Masiutin, fraudulently presented as "tbbeta": > Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 10:43:36 AM, you wrote: >> Of course, with the

Re: Moderators Announcement -- the change must be reversed immediately!

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
On 24 July 2018 at 20:43 tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote and made these points ... >> The X-Sender is not a useful indication as it can not be seen in >> message list header. ... TBB>The FROM address is meant to be the actual author of the text TBB> being sent, or who has composed it.

Re: Moderators Announcement -- the change must be reversed immediately!

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 17:58 schrieben Sie: > Hello tbbeta, > Unfortunately i loose in mailing list a the track who sent me which > mail. > The X-Sender is not a useful indication as it can not be seen in > message list header. There is no

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello The, We may need to change our salutation macros... > The reason for the change is, as Dierk pointed out, How do I find Dierks message(s) in message list (see attached)? -- Who cares who I am ;-) Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using

Re: sender name and address

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 12:32:52 PM, you wrote: > Maybe if we install Mailman 2.1.28 released Jul 23 2018 it will have options > that we need? Excellent point. We could also explore an alternative service. Jerry -- Best regards, Ethan

Re: sender name and address

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Dear Max, On 24 July 2018 at 17:32 tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote and made these points TBB> We have to figure out how to preserve somehow the sender name and address in the list. We do. Or we work out if it possible to revert and issue standing instructions to subscribers whitelist

sender name and address

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello Tbbeta, We have to figure out how to preserve somehow the sender name and address in the list. It seems that we are now using 2.1.13 released Dec 22 2009. Maybe if we install Mailman 2.1.28 released Jul 23 2018 it will have options that we need? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
The, > On 24 July 2018 at 16:05 someone wrote and made > these points TBB>> Deliberately, > I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, > but not > your name. >>> There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. >>> That only works for the

Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello tbbeta, Unfortunately i loose in mailing list a the track who sent me which mail. The X-Sender is not a useful indication as it can not be seen in message list header. -- Regards Gwen Using The Bat! Version 8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) (32-bit) on Windows 10.0 (Build 17134 )

Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Dear TBBeta Fellows, On 24 July 2018 at 15:17 somebody, somewhere wrote and made these points >>> It is really annoying to not see directly in het header of a message >>> who has sent it. It is a kind of anonymizing I do not appreciate at >>> all. Agreed. >> For info purposes:

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
On 24 July 2018 at 16:05 someone wrote and made these points TBB> Deliberately, I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but not your name. >> There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. >> That only works for the sender to get info

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Sometimes, >>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) >> This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent >> for this group >> was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without having to check whether >> you are sending to the >> group and not to the message originator. >

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
>> Deliberately not signed. ;-) > This arrangement is, of course, exactly what spammers want. Maxim's intent > for this group > was, I suspect, to make it easier to reply without having to check whether > you are sending to the > group and not to the message originator. Sometimes I prefer

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Deliberately, >>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but >>> not >>> your name. > There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. > That only works for the sender to get info to send the message to, > and not for the receiver. > Deliberately not

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
>> I added the X-Return Path to headers which gave me your email address, but >> not >> your name. There is no X-Return Path on the mail I reply to herewith. That only works for the sender to get info to send the message to, and not for the receiver. Deliberately not signed. ;-)

Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 10:38 schrieben Sie: >> It is really annoying to not see directly in het header of a message >> who has sent it. It is a kind of anonymizing I do not appreciate at >> all. > For info purposes:

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Guten Tag, The Bat Beta, am Dienstag, 24. Juli 2018 um 13:32 schrieben Sie: > Hello The, > Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 4:48:43 AM, you wrote: >> I can't find any option to do that in Mailman beyond the option you >> just asked me to turn off. >> "Hide the s

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
Hello The, Tuesday, July 24, 2018, 4:48:43 AM, you wrote: > I can't find any option to do that in Mailman beyond the option you > just asked me to turn off. > "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address > (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)" > ... unless anyone

Re: ***UNCHECKED*** Re: 8.5.8.2 (second announcement)

2018-07-24 Thread The Bat Beta
On 24 July 2018 at 09:11 tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote and made these points >> Of course, with the change in list message addressing, it is now vital >> to state who you are in the body of the message or with a signature >> footer. TBL> Can the list preserve the name of the sender? I