Hi ztrader,
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:47:03 -0700GMT (14/09/2000, 07:47 +0800GMT),
ztrader wrote:
z (1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and not
z the index file? If I then try to read the message file by itself, will
z it work without the index?
If TB encounters a
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Hello A . Curtis Martin !
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:22:02 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was 12.09.2000, 22:22 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:
ACM Additionally, instead of highlighting the old template, you may also use
ACM the %CLEAR macro in
Hi TBUDL,
I usually have the message preview open, but when a message is more
than a two liner, or when more than one new message has arrived in one
folder, I open the View Message Folder by double-clicking on it.
Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment, as I
have
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:09:50 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
TF Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment, as I
TF have auto-view disabled. So I routinely right-click on the attachment
TF and delete it. It disappears from the folder view.
I'm unable to delete these HTML
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:09:50 AM, Thomas wrote:
Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment,
as I have auto-view disabled. So I routinely right-click on the
attachment and delete it. It disappears from the folder view.
Having read the message, I close the
Hi!
I've got the following problem with the Bat:
Is there any way to -automatically- open attached ".msg"-files? We
receive lots of "undeliverable"-mails in our support area and it's very
annoying to open the message and double-click the ".msg"-file.
I think this would be no problem, if the
On Wednesday, September 13, 2000, 4:47:03 PM, ztrader wrote:
I'd like to save old mail messages in TB format.
(1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and
not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by
itself, will it work without the index?
Yes, TB
Ming-Li,
Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000...
(1) If I do that, is it possible to save only the message file and
not the index file? If I then try to read the message file by
itself, will it work without the index?
ML Yes, TB would recreate the index.
ML ...snip...
ML Also
Hallo Mark,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:50:50 +0100 GMT (14/09/2000, 21:50 +0800 GMT),
Mark R Harding wrote:
MRH The big warning here is that the 'Outbox' folder under TB is not set
MRH by default to automatically compress and purge.
Since the sent messages are copied to the Sent folder, this
Thomas,
Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000...
MRH I believe horses have a relevant expression regarding stable doors and
MRH bolting...
TF This must be an English expression...
The proper expression is...
"That's like bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted."
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote:
Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my
Outbox now... just in case. :)
By "purge/compress" flag do you mean both the "Remove old messages"
and "Compress the folder" checkboxes or just the latter? I check
only
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 7:35:14 AM, Mark wrote:
The proper expression is...
"That's like bolting the stable door after the horse has
bolted."
There's a similar saying in Chinese, but with "sheep" instead of
horses. :)
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Best regards,
Ming-Li
The Bat! 1.46 Beta/6 | Win2k
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 7:05:37 AM, Thomas wrote:
MRH The big warning here is that the 'Outbox' folder under TB is
MRH not set by default to automatically compress and purge.
Since the sent messages are copied to the Sent folder, this
surprises me on second thought. They are not, for
Hallo Ming-Li,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:49:48 -0700 GMT (14/09/2000, 22:49 +0800 GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:
Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my
Outbox now... just in case. :)
ML E.g., if I set the Outbox to keep zero message, and auto-purge on
ML exit, then would it
Hallo Ming-Li,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:42:46 -0700 GMT (14/09/2000, 22:42 +0800 GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:
ML It's because TB moves sent messages from the Outbox folder to the
ML Sent folder the same way it moves other messages--by copying them
ML over and deleting the originals (it's basically what
Hallo A,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:31:36 -0500 GMT (14/09/2000, 19:31 +0800 GMT),
A . Curtis Martin wrote:
TF Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment, as I
TF have auto-view disabled. So I routinely right-click on the attachment
TF and delete it. It disappears from the
Ming-Li,
Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000...
ML On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote:
Needless to say, the purge/compress flag is permanently set on my
Outbox now... just in case. :)
ML By "purge/compress" flag do you mean both the "Remove old messages"
ML
Hi Folks.
I've recently started a-plating with a trial version of The Bat! It has some pretty good features and seems quite a superior product.
One feature defeats me, though. Is it possible to send HTML (styled) text? Certainly, it receives such messages fine, but I can't figure out any way
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 8:11:07 AM, Thomas wrote:
I am perfectly aware of this from a programming POV. However, from
a user's POV, my database keeps growing and growing over years and
years, and I don't even know about it.
Shouldn't the Outbox be compressed by default?
Maybe. I'm
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 8:06:51 AM, Thomas wrote:
Yes, it does. "Keep zero messages" will only keep parked messages.
How about only ticking "On Exit: Compress Folder" and leaving
everything else unticked. This should get rid of deleted messages
I would think.
Ok, then that's what
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Hi John,
On 14 September 2000 at 16:20:17 GMT +0100 (which was 16:20 where I
live) John Hinson wrote and made these points on the subject
of "HTML mail":
JH One feature defeats me, though. Is it possible to send HTML
JH ("styled") text?
Hallo John,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:20:17 +0100 GMT (14/09/2000, 23:20 +0800 GMT),
John Hinson wrote:
JH One feature defeats me, though. Is it possible to send HTML
JH ("styled") text? Certainly, it receives such messages fine, but
JH Ican't figure out any way to send such messages.
TB does not
Hallo A,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:31:36 -0500 GMT (14/09/2000, 19:31 +0800 GMT),
A . Curtis Martin wrote:
TF Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment, as I
TF have auto-view disabled. So I routinely right-click on the attachment
TF and delete it. It disappears from the
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 05:54:55PM +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
attachment. Thus you can attach a prepared HTML file to an email an
and in that way send an "HTML mail". I don't want to get into an
argument about OE and Poco and all of the others that "let you do it
properly".
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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,
Responding to your article on Tuesday, September 12, 2000 at 15:01:24
GMT +0100 (which was 12/09/2000 21:01 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :
MDP Since Leif is going off-line for a while, we have taken the decision
MDP to
Hallo Steve,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:10:51 -0700 GMT (15/09/2000, 01:10 +0800 GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:
SL Heh, you should take a look at one of the threads on the PMMail mailing
SL list. We've gone over many reasons why HTML in email shouldn't be done. :)
My main argument is always the
On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:22:21AM +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
My main argument is always the waste of bandwidth (and that I find
emails with different fonts and colours offensive or just plain ugly,
but that's certainly a matter of taste). What other reasons are there?
There is no
Hallo Steve,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:29:02 -0700 GMT (15/09/2000, 01:29 +0800 GMT),
Steve Lamb wrote:
SL There is no standard set of HTML defined for email clients to support.
SL There is no standard set for displaying HTML from email, only for the
SL transport of the HTML in MIME.
Hello Thomas Fernandez,
Responding to your article on Thursday, September 14, 2000 at 00:29:46
GMT +0800 (which was 14/09/2000 23:29 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :
TF Some of these messages are HTML, which is shown as an attachment, as I
TF have auto-view disabled. So I routinely right-click on
Hello Steve,
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:29:02 PM, you wrote:
SL On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:22:21AM +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
My main argument is always the waste of bandwidth (and that I find
emails with different fonts and colours offensive or just plain ugly,
but that's certainly
Hello Syafril Hermansyah,
Responding to your article on Friday, September 15, 2000 at 00:14:24 GMT
+0700 (which was 15/09/2000 0:14 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :
MDP Since Leif is going off-line for a while, we have taken the decision
MDP to move the TB FAQ web site. It can now be found at the
Hello Marck,
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 9:54:55 AM, you wrote:
MDP The Bat is the best e-mail client there is. Period. HTML is not for
MDP e-mail - it is for presentation. You wouldn't expect TB to include all
MDP of WordPerfect's capabilities - you would sent a WP document as an
MDP
I have been trying the Bat for some weeks, and the decision to
register the Bat was not a hard one to make. I never felt so at home
with an email-client, even if it's going to take some time to learn to
use it properly. The TBUDL-list is a very good way of doing that, I
have found out.
But as I
Ok, since I am new here, and yes, I have looked at the help file, the
FAQ, and somewhere along the line I must be missing the concept or
something...
What is the best way to set up a global kill file? One that I can add
to once, and it kills globally accross all accounts? Is it possible?
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 12:55:09PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:
And why shouldnt email be presentable?
Email /is/ presentable. It doesn't need HTML for that.
What is it about HTML that scares people so much.
The fact there is no standard for displaying it, what standard
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Hello everyone,
I've been following the discussion about the message templates and
off course I started to work on my own templates right away.
The option Marck told us was a great one.
Using templates for the e-mail addresses.
So I started to
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:27:51 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
(3) Is it easier to save as a Unix file instead? I'd prefer this
as I then could strip off extra headers and save a bit of space.
ML If you don't care all the extra information (parked, flagged,
ML colored, replied marks and memo, etc.) which
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:47:03 -0700, ztrader wrote:
z (5) If I strip out the base64 coded part of attachments in the Unix
z file, but leave the 'boundary' lines to show that there was an
z attachment, will TB get confused by the 'boundary' lines still being
z in there, without the base64 part?
Hello Steve,
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote:
SL On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 12:55:09PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:
And why shouldnt email be presentable?
SL Email /is/ presentable. It doesn't need HTML for that.
Who says? Who is the leading authority on what
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:02:57PM -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:
Who says? Who is the leading authority on what email needs or doesn't
need?
Indeed. So why are you saying that it needs HTML?
True .. there is no 'definitive' standard. But 99% of HTML (not
dhtml, xhtml etc) is
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote:
SL has better sorting
What is better?
ztrader
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Hi Katsmeow,
On 14 September 2000 at 12:52:56 GMT -0500 (which was 18:52 where I
live) Katsmeow wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Moving to new Computer":
K I am taking delivery of a new notebook computer in a couple of days.
K It is
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:49:42 PM, you wrote:
PS To be sure that TB! doesn't get confused, replace the little header
PS just after the boundary line with
PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
PS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
PS After these two lines leave an empty line
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:26:33PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote:
SL has better sorting
What is better?
That is not enough context to go by.
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ICQ:
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 12:55:09 PM, you wrote:
DTS What is it about HTML that
DTS scares people so much.
Doesn't scare me at all - just a PITA :-).
DTS It does not mean that I could put a jscript in
DTS a message and nuke your system (well unless you run a windows product
DTS :-).
Hello TBUDL,
Can someone tell me where to get thebatpgp60.dll from?
I can't get this PGP thing to work unless I use only the internal PGP.
Right now I am downloading:
PGPFW658Win32.zip and PGP_Desktop_Security_7.0.zip
I hope that the plugin is among this 16Mb of files.
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:10:51 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
Now, show me another client that handles multiple accounts, with
template facilities like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and
the very useful ticker and its' virtual folder
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 3:30:04 PM, you wrote:
SL On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:26:33PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote:
SL has better sorting
What is better?
SL That is not enough context to go by.
For example, can it do numeric
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 05:59:22PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
cough PMMail as a straightforward multi-account e-mail system is
comparable. Once you start moving to advanced features, PMMail in
general becomes a shadow of TB!. I used PMMail for a longer time than
I've been using TB!. :-)
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:02:57 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote:
snip
SL On top of that 99% of the time it is completely annoying because
SL it overrides how /I/ like to see my mail. I don't want to see it
SL in someone else's preferences, I want to
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:58:26 -0400, Curtis Campbell wrote:
CC Ok, since I am new here, and yes, I have looked at the help file, the
CC FAQ, and somewhere along the line I must be missing the concept or
CC something...
CC What is the best way to set
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:03:20PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
What sorting functions or operations does it do better?
The layout and accessability is generally better in PMMail. With TB! the
configuration of filters is quite cryptic. With PMMial it is straightforward
in basic mode and quite
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:54:37 +0200, Östen Häggmark wrote:
ÖH I have been trying the Bat for some weeks, and the decision to
ÖH register the Bat was not a hard one to make. I never felt so at home
ÖH with an email-client, even if it's going to take
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:02:43 PM, you wrote:
SL PMMail has nicer filtering,
Oops - there's that word again :-). I'm very interested in good
filtering. What does PMM do better re filtering?
ztrader
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Hello,
On Thursday, September 14, 2000 at 18:17:04 GMT -0500 (which was 4:17 PM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:
ÖH But as I was looking into the "How to register" page I noticed the
ÖH line "use features available only for registered users."
I always thought the
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Hi Aaron,
On 14 September 2000 at 08:57:30 GMT +1000 (which was 23:57 where I
live) Aaron wrote and made these points on the subject
of "PGP woes":
A Can someone tell me where to get thebatpgp60.dll from?
The file is tbpgp60.dll but you really
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 4:14:06 PM, you wrote:
SL With TB! the
SL configuration of filters is quite cryptic.
I'd have to agree there, although good help files and examples could
have answered many of the questions I had.
SL limited scripting capabilities in advanced
SL mode.
Hey -
Hi Marck,
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 5:27:29 PM, tbUDL wrote regarding Moving to new Computer:
MDP You need a backup of the entire Mail folder structure and content.
Is this simply making a copy of it or something else. I can copy the
info onto a CD.
MDP You
MDP also need a backup
Hello Listmembers,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 at 18:17:04 [GMT -0500] A. Curtis Martin wrote:
I always thought the unregistered version was fully functional. Hmmm.
Anyone know of the unregistered version of TB! being crippled in any
way?
Not crippled in any way. Even if some report the
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:36:12PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
I'd have to agree there, although good help files and examples could
have answered many of the questions I had.
Even with help I'm afraid the filtering is just poorly laid out.
SL limited scripting capabilities in advanced
SL
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:02:43 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
cough PMMail as a straightforward multi-account e-mail system is
comparable. Once you start moving to advanced features, PMMail in
general becomes a shadow of TB!. I used PMMail for a longer
For the wish list:
A way to be able to run a script file on a message to do sorting,
instead of having built-in functions that get more and more complex.
Procmail, for example, can be made to do fantastic things with mail -
even if all the functionality of procmail can't be done, a subset
would
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:43:37 +0200, Marcel wrote:
M I've been following the discussion about the message templates and
M off course I started to work on my own templates right away.
M The option Marck told us was a great one.
M Using templates for
On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 06:36:23PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote:
You're asking me to put aside, perhaps, the single most significant
reason why I use TB! over PMMail. I cannot just put it aside like that
and continue the argument. :-)
That's the point. You use templates extensively, I
Hello A,
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 7:13:38 PM, you wrote:
ACM As far as I can tell, you cannot do this. Each account has it's own set
ACM of filters. But you have touched on a good point here in that it's very
ACM likely that one would want kill-filters to act globally.
ACM There's no easy
Hello Marck,
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:54:55 PM, you wrote:
MDP Now, show me another client that handles multiple accounts, with
MDP template facilities like TB offers, as powerful a sorting office and
MDP the very useful ticker and its' virtual folder for reading all new
Hello Mark,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:12:27 +0100 GMT your local time, which was
Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:12:27 AM (GMT-6) my local time,
you wrote:
MRH Ming-Li,
MRH Regarding your message dated: 14 September 2000...
ML On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 6:50:50 AM, Mark wrote:
Needless
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Hi Aaron,
On 15 September 2000 at 09:59:11 GMT +1000 (which was 00:59 where I
live) Aaron wrote and made these points on the subject
of "PGP woes (thanks)":
A Well it seems to be working now, BTW I copied the DLL into The Bat!
A directory...that is
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Hi katsmeow,
On 15 September 2000 at 18:40:05 GMT -0500 (which was 00:40 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Moving to new Computer":
MDP You need a backup of the entire Mail folder structure and content.
I just discovered that emptying the trash on exit does not really
delete the messages and that they aren't deleted until compressed.
OK. Fine. I went in and ran compress and everything is fine.
However, if I wanted to chance my settings so that all messages in all
folders would be compressed
Hello katsmeow,
On Thursday, September 14, 2000 at 21:43:49 GMT -0500 (which was 7:43 PM
where I live) witnesses say [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
I just discovered that emptying the trash on exit does not really
delete the messages and that they aren't deleted until compressed.
OK. Fine. I
Hi Jack,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:21:32 -0500GMT (15/09/2000, 08:21 +0800GMT),
Jack LaRosa wrote:
JL I just looked at the preferences for my outbox and I have both the
JL "Remove old messages" and "Compress the folder" boxes checked. The
JL "keep nn messages/keep messages for nn days" boxes are
Hi David,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:55:09 -0700GMT (15/09/2000, 03:55 +0800GMT),
David Tod Sigafoos wrote under a rather weird and non-descrptive
subject:
MDP The Bat is the best e-mail client there is. Period. HTML is not for
MDP e-mail - it is for presentation.
DTS And why shouldnt email be
Hello Batties :),
I have a quick question. Some of the quotes in my cookies file
are too long. And when they are included in my letter, they tend to
get too long. Is ther any way to justify them when they are inserted
in the letter? Than you...
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Vinay
On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 1:56:31 PM, Peter wrote:
While the extra info really is lost (why not put some X-Bat-Flag
header into the messages when exporting?), the received time
should be correct (starting with version 1.42).
Indeed, my mistake. Thanks for the correction.
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On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 9:29:46 AM, Thomas wrote:
Correction: I can delete .html attachments, but not .shtml
attachments (just tried with John Hinsin's message). What is this
difference about, I wonder?
You can't delete the html attachment in John Hinsin's message
because it isn't
Hi Ming-Li,
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:28:29 -0700GMT (15/09/2000, 12:28 +0800GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:
ML You can't delete the html attachment in John Hinsin's message
ML because it isn't an attachment at all.
I was told this about "normal" HTML messages earlier, too. But now I
can delete them.
ML
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