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Dear Simon,
On 21:02 14.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])]
wrote...
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S/MIME and PGP? :)
which seems to be a very small addition in comparison. *However*, if I
then add my PGP key block to the mail as well,
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Dear Simon,
On 01:00 15.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])]
wrote...
This is the direction that we are moving in: technologies are using more
and more bandwidth as they are developed and increase in popularity. Web
boards, newsgroup downloads,
Hello Melissa Reese,
On or about Friday, December 13, 2002 at 12:24:41GMT -0800 (which
was 3:24 PM in the tropics where I live) Melissa Reese scrawled;
MR As I mentioned, regardless of the number of users of one
MR method or the other, I still feel that OpenPGP is a more
MR *reliable standard*
Hello Simon,
... in this interesting thread about PGP and S/MIME standards,...
Thread that I have almost missed because the subject still is It's
true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm ;-)
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Best regards
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v1.61
Simon Allie,
If you want to talk about bandwidth...lets look at all the bandwidth
in this discussion (the messages themselves) of pros and cons of 2
standards that I usually ignore to begin with...and many were signed
as well! ;) Now THAT is some bandwidth...
Don't get me wrong...I see the
Hello Scott,
Don't get me wrong...I see the point of signing and certificates when
dealing with sensitive data and important Emails, but here? I hardly
see the point of the argument...
Agree.
Just my 2 cents worth.
+2 = 4 :-)
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Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using
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Hello Simon,
Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:43:25 AM, you wrote (possibly edited):
MR If I choose Internal Implementation, your S/MIME signatures verify
as
MR valid. If, however, I choose the Microsoft CryptoAPI
implementation
MR of S/MIME, your
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'Lo Costas,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:17:03 +0200 your time, you said:
MR If I choose Internal Implementation, your S/MIME signatures verify as
MR valid. If, however, I choose the Microsoft CryptoAPI
implementation
MR of S/MIME, your very same
Hello Mike,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:26:58 + GMT (14/12/02, 10:26 +0700 GMT),
Mike Alexander wrote:
Outpost lets you set up permissions for each separate program,
So does Sygate. I was surprised when I noticed that if you allow an
application to use one port, by default all ports are
On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:06:04 PM, Simon Blake wrote:
In many respects S/MIME has an advantage,
even if I much personally prefer PGP.
One considerable disadvantage is the size overhead of S/MIME messages
- the signing process seems to add 6k onto the message size, and
whilst this
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Hello Mike,
VBG At first the only thing that irritated me was the fact that
VBG unlike ZAP, Kerio asked permission for everything... For
VBG example, just launching my browser can easily launch open
VBG 20+ confirmation boxes and launching my
Hello Thomas,
Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:56:43 PM, you wrote:
TF Hello Mike,
TF On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:26:58 + GMT (14/12/02, 10:26 +0700 GMT),
TF Mike Alexander wrote:
Outpost lets you set up permissions for each separate program,
TF So does Sygate. I was surprised when I noticed
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'Lo Julian,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:39:03 + your time, you said:
JBL One considerable disadvantage is the size overhead of S/MIME messages
I would disagree entirely.
JBL the signing process seems to add 6k onto the message size,
Not when I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I
TF only got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port
TF and the smtp port at remote server, which I allowed), save them,
TF and that's it. I
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor Gonzalez [VG] wrote:'
VG Kerio is definitely hot! I thank you all for your input but
VG since Kerio's installation, shes proven easy maintenance :) I
VG did manage to stop the repetitive confirmations and the only
VG problem to it was the
On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 8:02:38 PM, Simon Blake wrote:
Oh, I see, so personal identity is inconsequential? cough Okay! And you
consider that TBUDL moderators should decide that PGP should be allowed and
S/MIME not? Umm, that's very interesting indeed :) ...although that would be
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Simon [S] wrote:'
S A 629 byte email signed with my S/MIME certificate weighs in at
S 3,634 bytes. That's only a difference of about 3k, and not the 6k
S you claim to start.
The size difference depends on the key size doesn't it?
The difference in
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'Lo Allie,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:10:38 -0500 your time, you said:
ACM This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your public
ACM key block repeatedly and with every message you send using S/MIME? In
ACM fact, this is my main
On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 10:16:51 PM, Simon Blake wrote:
ACM This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your public
ACM key block repeatedly and with every message you send using S/MIME? In
ACM fact, this is my main problem with using it.
That's not the point here
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'Lo Julian,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:36:28 + your time, you said:
JBL On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 10:16:51 PM, Simon Blake wrote:
ACM This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your
ACM public key block repeatedly
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Simon [S] wrote:'
S That's not the point here at all really, although it is a valid
S point of course. So are you suggesting that The Bat! should not
S support S/MIME? And are you suggesting or leading up
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'Lo Allie,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:27:50 -0500 your time, you said:
S That's not the point here at all really, although it is a valid point of
S course. So are you suggesting that The Bat! should not support S/MIME?
S And are you suggesting or
Hi Simon,
@14-Dec-2002, 22:16 Simon Blake said:
ACM This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending
ACM your public key block repeatedly and with every message you
ACM send using S/MIME? In fact, this is my main problem with using
ACM it.
Not yet with TB, although it is within the
Hello Mike,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:54:18 + GMT (15/12/02, 01:54 +0700 GMT),
Mike Alexander wrote:
TF Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I only
TF got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port and the
TF smtp port at remote server, which I allowed),
Hello Simon,
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:00:05 + GMT (15/12/02, 07:00 +0700 GMT),
Simon Blake wrote:
ACM This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your
ACM public key block repeatedly and with every message you send using
ACM S/MIME? In fact, this is my main problem
Hello Allie,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:13:02 -0500 GMT (15/12/02, 03:13 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
I haven't used the later versions but I suspect that the method
you're using to configure is a less secure method, in that Kerio no
longer asks for specific port/IP connection permissions.
Hello Allie,
On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:09:10 -0500 GMT (15/12/02, 03:09 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:
TF Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I
TF only got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port
TF and the smtp port at remote server, which I allowed),
Hello Thomas,
Sunday, December 15, 2002, 1:17:25 AM, you wrote:
TF Hello Mike,
TF On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:54:18 + GMT (15/12/02, 01:54 +0700 GMT),
TF Mike Alexander wrote:
TF Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I only
TF got one or two per app (for example, with
Hello Mike,
On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:03:21 + GMT (15/12/02, 09:03 +0700 GMT),
Mike Alexander wrote:
;-) With Outpost, any settings you make are automatically saved.
TF Well, I wouldn't like this.
g Well, yes, Out[post gives you that choice too,
So let's say they are equal top shall we?
In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Melissa Reese [MR] wrote:'
MR This causes me to feel that a PGP signature is a more reliable
MR digital signature standard than is S/MIME (even though there
MR may well be more S/MIME users than there are PGP users).
I agree here. I see so many of them being invalid
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'Lo Melissa,
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:01:33 -0800 your time, you said:
MR This causes me to feel that a PGP signature is a more reliable digital
MR signature standard than is S/MIME (even though there may well be more
MR S/MIME users than there are
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'Lo Mike,
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:09:22 + your time, you said:
MA TB. It's called Outpost and is available from http://www.agnitum.com/
MA and no, I have no connection with hem except as a very satisfied user.
Of course Victor could
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Hello Simon,
MA TB. It's called Outpost and is available from http://www.agnitum.com/
MA and no, I have no connection with hem except as a very satisfied user.
SB Of course Victor could always try the 'free for personal use' Sygate
SB
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'Lo Melissa,
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:24:41 -0800 your time, you said:
MR The fact that by simply switching one's preference for implementation
MR method can yield the opposite verification result (valid vs.
MR invalid) shows that there
Hello Victor,
Friday, December 13, 2002, 1:47:54 PM, you wrote:
VBG At first the only thing that irritated me was the fact that
VBG unlike ZAP, Kerio asked permission for everything... For
VBG example, just launching my browser can easily launch open
VBG 20+ confirmation boxes and launching my
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Hello tbudl,
Amazing! Without this list it probably would have took me
a while to figure this out but ZoneAlarm Pro does seem to
be the bad guy behind The Bat! *freezing* my system.
On my notebook for the first time The Bat! froze and when
Hello Victor B. Gonzalez,
On or about Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 08:11:03GMT -0500
(which was 8:11 AM in the tropics where I live) Victor B.
Gonzalez scribbled
VBG Amazing! Without this list it probably would have took me
VBG a while to figure this out but ZoneAlarm Pro does seem to
VBG
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Hello Spike,
S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID
S again. 8^(
PGP or certificate? In PGP it might state I have an invalid
key until you sign it. With the certification, well I'll be
stumped :)
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Best regards,
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'Lo Victor,
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:15:56 -0500 your time, you said:
S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again.
S 8^(
It's OK here :)
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Slán,
Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk
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Hello Simon,
S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again.
S 8^(
SB It's OK here :)
I've forwarded the messages to other PCs on my network to
other accounts and they've seen no problem. Also, a few
of my associates
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, 8:11 AM, you wrote:
VBG Amazing! Without this list it probably would have took me
VBG a while to figure this out but ZoneAlarm Pro does seem to
VBG be the bad guy behind The Bat! *freezing* my system.
as someone just suggested to me, you might try the
Hello Paul, Victor other TB! users following this thread:
Paul recommended:
PC ... you might try the Kerio firewall, it is a continuation of
PC TPF ( Tiny personal firewall). It is free for personal use.
PC www.kerio.com
The download url is:
http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe
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Victor asked:
VBG I am writing a few reports on spam and would appreciate
VBG anyones insight about how you can best battle it without
VBG 3rd party plug-ins or applications and preferably with email
VBG clients alone :)
I use the Selective Download filter combined with the Message
Dispatcher.
Hello Victor,
Thursday, December 12, 2002, 1:11:03 PM, you wrote:
VBG The whole system came back on line. Now instead of killing
VBG ZoneAlarm and knocking it out of the equation I will tweak
VBG it like Gerard said (kill ZAP mail features), Sorry bud I
VBG did it for my desktop but held
Victor
On Friday, December 13, 2002, 2:14:33 AM, you wrote:
S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again.
S 8^(
SB It's OK here :)
I've forwarded the messages to other PCs on my network to
other accounts and they've seen no problem. Also, a few
of my associates
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