Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> Now, this is funny. I guess the wife of the owner of your company
> owned a factory for green and yellow sheets of paper.

Don't know. I've never known who was or is the owner of NASA-JPL. ;)

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Jens Franik]

Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 at 15:35, Rick wrote:

> I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was
> common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC:
> several others.

I know it like this:

The Destination which the Mail is dedicated written to in the To:
The Copy which should know of the Mail in the Cc:
The Hidden/Blind Copy in the Bcc:

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Jens Franik]

Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 at 15:01, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Does
> TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she
> is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see
> all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning
> you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps?

I would support this as an Option to configure like Empty Subject.
I am not sure, if my customers will click away this like they do with
every PopUpMessage - but it might be of help to punisch them after
that :-)

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 19 March 2009 at 3:34:36 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



> Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message
> to multiple recipients who may or may not know each
> other, it is considered prudent NOT to include everyone
> in the TO field.

Not just prudent - under certain circumstances, sharing personal data
in this way without the permission of the data subject would be
unlawful, as well as bad manners.


>  [...]

> In a non-business environment, my understanding of the
> accepted method is to address the message to YOURSELF
> and place everyone else's address in the BCC (blind
> carbon copy) field. That way, each recipient sees the
> message addressed to them and the other addresses are
> not visible.

Or to a disposable address used for the purpose...


>
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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[MFPA]

Hi

On Thursday 19 March 2009 at 6:40:39 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:



> It's just that in today's world where personal emails
> probably surpass business emails in quantity, the
> etiquette of concealing other addresses I assume, would
> be appreciated by many. In which case, a trigger
> alerting the sender of multiple addresses in the TO
> field might be appreciated.

It certainly might, provided you could turn it on or off by account.

While we're at it, how about an auto-reply castigating thoughtless
contacts who share your email address in this way without having the
courtesy to ask you first?

> Personally, if person "A" asks me for the email address
> of person "B", I never give it out without asking
> person "B" if it's ok to do so. I wish only that TB
> made sure I adhered to this rule when sending to
> multiple addresses.

Why not just forward person A's request for person B's email address
to person B for their consideration and possible action? Just remember
not to copy in person A (-;


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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

TF> Hello Jack,

TF> On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:34:36 -0500 GMT (19/Mar/09, 22:34 +0700 GMT),
TF> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 snipped for brevity 

JSL>> As mentioned in the original post, I accidently sent a message to
JSL>> family and friends and without realizing it, placed all addresses
JSL>> in the TO field. So easy to do from the AB. As a consequence, my
JSL>> daughter is now receiving messages from her cousin with whom she
JSL>> may or may not wish to maintain correspondence. No biggie, but I
JSL>> wish TB would keep a closer eye on me.

TF> Sorry, TB! can't know that. I am sorry to hear that your daughter and
TF> her cousin are now in touch. I am sorry, but what again is the
TF> problem?  

Probably none. In this case.

It's just that in today's world where personal emails probably surpass
business emails in quantity, the etiquette of concealing other
addresses I assume, would be appreciated by many. In which case, a
trigger alerting the sender of multiple addresses in the TO field
might be appreciated.

Personally, if person "A" asks me for the email address of person "B",
I never give it out without asking person "B" if it's ok to do so. I
wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when sending to
multiple addresses.

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:22:03 +0100 GMT (19/Mar/09, 22:22 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was
>> common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC:
>> several others.
>>
>> I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I
>> should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning
>> message.

Agree. And if you forward those "funny" things to everybody in your
addressbook, use BCC (and please delete me from your addressbook
first).

M> Agree, it is not an etiquette issue. My whole life experience is that
M> the addressing and distribution of messages come from the days of TWXes
M> (Telex), much before email was invented. You should use the To: field to
M> include those the message is really address To, and from whom you may
M> expect or request and action and/or reply. And those included in CC
M> field (Carbon Copy in TWXes, that's where CC comes form) are just "For
M> information".

This is also my understanding.

M> In the organisation for which I worked for 27 years (up to 1985), to
M> further emphasise and clarify the difference, the operators in
M> communications department, before distributing copies of received TWXes
M> to the different addresses, had to staple a copy of the message on a
M> *green* sheet op paper with an ACTION on top for those the message was
M> address to, and on a *pink* sheet with FOR INFO on top, for those in CC
M> field.

Now, this is funny. I guess the wife of the owner of your company
owned a factory for green and yellow sheets of paper.

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:34:36 -0500 GMT (19/Mar/09, 22:34 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL> Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message to multiple
JSL> recipients who may or may not know each other, it is considered
JSL> prudent NOT to include everyone in the TO field. Some people desire
JSL> to keep their email address confidential for their own reasons.

Yes, especially when you are forwarding these funny jokes. My reply
usually is: Please use BCC and don't publish my email address to
everybody I don't know. I receive enough spam as it is.

JSL> I can see however where in a business environment it may be
JSL> acceptable, even necessary perhaps to have all recipients
JSL> contained in the TO field.

No. In a business environment, you will have one recipeint in the TO
field, and he is responsible for replying. The other are copied in CC.
Otherwise, everybody thinks that the other one will reply, and in the
end, you will not get any reply at all.

JSL> Although in retrospect, I wonder why even that would be necessary
JSL> as the original post, now saved in the SENT mail folder, would be
JSL> available as proof that all necessary recipients were included.

It's not about proving you sent the request. It is about receiving a
reply. Communication, the ugly word.

JSL> In a non-business environment, my understanding of the accepted
JSL> method is to address the message to YOURSELF and place everyone
JSL> else's address in the BCC (blind carbon copy) field. That way,
JSL> each recipient sees the message addressed to them and the other
JSL> addresses are not visible.

Yes, especially for circulars. They are easier to ignore this way. It
is much more difficult with personal emails.

JSL> As mentioned in the original post, I accidently sent a message to
JSL> family and friends and without realizing it, placed all addresses
JSL> in the TO field. So easy to do from the AB. As a consequence, my
JSL> daughter is now receiving messages from her cousin with whom she
JSL> may or may not wish to maintain correspondence. No biggie, but I
JSL> wish TB would keep a closer eye on me.

Sorry, TB! can't know that. I am sorry to hear that your daughter and
her cousin are now in touch. I am sorry, but what again is the
problem? ;-)

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Re: Sorting by thread activity

[Doug Higby]

Hi Nick,

I had the same problem you describe, and the "New Threads" option fixed it.
It would be nice if it had a more descriptive label...

Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 5:25:03 PM, you wrote:

> Hello,

> I'm trying to get threads with recent activity to show as the bottom
> (sort by create date, ascending) of my message list.

> I found this item:
> https://ritlabs.com/en/forum/read.php?FID=4&TID=3376&ACTION=TOPIC_SUBSCRIBE

> And have checked "'sort by created' with the option 'new thread
> sorting' enabled" but still new messages for old threads appear way
> down(or up in my case) the list, where the original message came in.

> Can anyone help me out on this one?

> Thanks,





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Re: Filter incorrect?

[Luc]

 Good afternoon Volker,
  
It was foretold that on 19/03/2009 @ 10:55:07 GMT+0100 (which was
06:55:07 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write:



> Maybe the "White list of email addresses" will not work because the
> sender's address in the mailing list is *not* ,
> but his own address. So I would recommend to use white rules:

> Options… => Filtering => White rules

> Just import there the attached rule. – I hope that helps. :-)

Tnx ... i'll download the file ;-)

>> Btw, how did you know that the plug-in filters incoming messages
>> *before* incoming mail filters are triggered? Is this the normal
>> method with TB!? Or did i miss something in my filter 'translation'?

> Ummm, first of all I think, that I read about it somewhere a long
> time ago, and second of all it is the only logical order:

> 1. Filter Junk/Spam/Viruses
> 2. Filter "real/normal" messages

Ofcourse it is lol!

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Rick,

>> Fellow list members,

>> Having recently accidentally violated the email etiquette rule about
>> putting multiple addresses in the TO field, I got to wondering... Does
>> TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she
>> is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see
>> all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning
>> you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps?
>> I looked in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/OTHER OPTIONS/CONFIRMATIONS where I
>> found the one about empty subject field, but nothing about multiple
>> addresses in the TO field. A later version of TB maybe?

R> I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was
R> common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC:
R> several others.

R> I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I
R> should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning
R> message.

Thanks to Rick and Roelof for replying.

Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message to multiple
recipients who may or may not know each other, it is considered
prudent NOT to include everyone in the TO field. Some people desire
to keep their email address confidential for their own reasons. I can
see however where in a business environment it may be acceptable, even
necessary perhaps to have all recipients contained in the TO field.
Although in retrospect, I wonder why even that would be necessary as
the original post, now saved in the SENT mail folder, would be
available as proof that all necessary recipients were included.

In a non-business environment, my understanding of the accepted method
is to address the message to YOURSELF and place everyone else's
address in the BCC (blind carbon copy) field. That way, each recipient
sees the message addressed to them and the other addresses are not
visible.

As mentioned in the original post, I accidently sent a message to
family and friends and without realizing it, placed all addresses in
the TO field. So easy to do from the AB. As a consequence, my daughter
is now receiving messages from her cousin with whom she may or may not wish
to maintain correspondence. No biggie, but I wish TB would keep a
closer eye on me.

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[MAU]

Hello Rick,

> I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was
> common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC:
> several others.
>
> I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I
> should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning
> message.

Agree, it is not an etiquette issue. My whole life experience is that
the addressing and distribution of messages come from the days of TWXes
(Telex), much before email was invented. You should use the To: field to
include those the message is really address To, and from whom you may
expect or request and action and/or reply. And those included in CC
field (Carbon Copy in TWXes, that's where CC comes form) are just "For
information".

In the organisation for which I worked for 27 years (up to 1985), to
further emphasise and clarify the difference, the operators in
communications department, before distributing copies of received TWXes
to the different addresses, had to staple a copy of the message on a
*green* sheet op paper with an ACTION on top for those the message was
address to, and on a *pink* sheet with FOR INFO on top, for those in CC
field.

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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Rick]

> Fellow list members,

> Having recently accidentally violated the email etiquette rule about
> putting multiple addresses in the TO field, I got to wondering... Does
> TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she
> is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see
> all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning
> you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps?
> I looked in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/OTHER OPTIONS/CONFIRMATIONS where I
> found the one about empty subject field, but nothing about multiple
> addresses in the TO field. A later version of TB maybe?

I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was
common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC:
several others.

I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I
should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning
message.
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Re: Multple addresses in TO field

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jack,

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:01:46 -0500GMT (19-3-2009, 15:01 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

JSL> Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender
JSL> that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would
JSL> be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent?

No.
It   isn't  necessarily  a  bad  thing that the recipients can see all
addresses.  In  case  they're supposed to reply to all recipients it's
even  necessary.  And  when  they know one another, there's no problem
either.
It's  merely  when  you  send  something to a large unrelated group of
recipients  (like  your complete address book) that it's frowned upon.
And  it  would be hard for a program like TB to know when it's against
netiquette and when not. That's where you've got yourself for. ;-)

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Multple addresses in TO field

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Fellow list members,

Having recently accidentally violated the email etiquette rule about
putting multiple addresses in the TO field, I got to wondering... Does
TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she
is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see
all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning
you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps?
I looked in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/OTHER OPTIONS/CONFIRMATIONS where I
found the one about empty subject field, but nothing about multiple
addresses in the TO field. A later version of TB maybe?

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Re: Filter incorrect?

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Volker Ahrendt« · 2009-03-19 · 10:55 h (CET)]

> Options… => Filtering => White rules

> Just import there the attached rule. – I hope that helps. :-)

Sh**! Forgot, that attachments are forbidden. So download the file
here: 

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Re: Filter incorrect?

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Luc« · 2009-03-19 · 00:33 h (CET)]

Moin, Luc!

>> Okay, I use that one, too. :-)

> Try: Options… => Filtering => White list of email addresses

Maybe the "White list of email addresses" will not work because the
sender's address in the mailing list is *not* ,
but his own address. So I would recommend to use white rules:

Options… => Filtering => White rules

Just import there the attached rule. – I hope that helps. :-)

> Btw, how did you know that the plug-in filters incoming messages
> *before* incoming mail filters are triggered? Is this the normal
> method with TB!? Or did i miss something in my filter 'translation'?

Ummm, first of all I think, that I read about it somewhere a long
time ago, and second of all it is the only logical order:

1. Filter Junk/Spam/Viruses
2. Filter "real/normal" messages

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