Re: Tabs
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:40:42 +, MFPA expires2...@ymail.com wrote: Not sure if this would achieve what you want, but (instead of using tabs) did you try creating a Sorted by From View Mode, then set it as the Global View Mode when you require the behaviour you describe? I think this would only work if you are visiting folders for which you don't have folder-specific view modes defined. Hi, Yes, I have created a few different view modes. Most of my folders - except for the Sent Mail folder and a few other odds and ends - have been given a default view mode that I had setup (basically removed some of the columns the Bat shows by default and sorts by received time). I know I could just go in and assign the 'sorted by from' view mode to the folders I go into, but I use the tabs as a temporary way to change the folder view. I see the view modes as a permanent thing. So for example, my inbox and saved folders are normally sorted by received time with the view mode. Now, say I wanted to look for a particular person (sender) in the inbox and then do the same for saved - but only as a temporary measure, after I had found the message I was looking for, I would want to return the view to the default I had set. What I would do is to click on the 'sorted by from' tab in the inbox, which would temporarily sort the messages by from. I would then find the message. However, when I then click on the saved folder, despite the 'sorted by from' tab being the active one, the default view mode is what is used (sorted by received time), meaning I have to click on the All tab and then click again on the 'sorted by from' tab. But yeah - if I wanted the messages to be permanently changed, I'd use a view mode. From what I understand though, the tabs are to be used for temporary changes, and that is all I ever want when I use one. -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tabs
Hi everyone, I think the answer is no (I have looked in the options and couldn't find anything related), but is there a way to make the tabs setting stick when you change folders? For example, I've gone into Options-Preferences-Tabs and created a new tab called Sorted by From (fairly obvious what it does). Anyway, that puts a new tab down in the Bat window called Sorted by From, which - when I click on it - sorts the messages in the folder I am in by the From field. That's great. Here is the problem however - when I change to another folder (so for example, set the Sorted by From on my inbox folder and then click on the Sent Mail folder), the messages go back to being sorted by the view mode of the folder that you click on. So, despite the Sorted by From tab still being active, the settings of this tab are not applied when I click on a new folder. What I have to do - and I change folders often enough that it is pretty annoying - is to click on the new folder, then click on the default All tab to reset the Sorted by From and then click again on the Sorted by From tab. What I really want is if I make the Sorted by From tab active on a folder, and then click on another folder, that folder will take the Sorted by From tab settings and apply them. Currently the tab is active, but the settings are ignored. -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book Sorting
Hi, When you create a new group in the Address Book, it doesn't seem as you can sort them (into alphabetical order for example). Any new groups I create are simply added to the end of the existing set of groups, and I want them alphabetised. I've tried the same shortcut keys as you use to move folders in the folder list (Ctrl+Shift+Up and Ctrl+Shift+Down), but these don't work. Is sorting a feature that is simply missing, or am I using the wrong key combination (I can't find a menu option for it in the Address Book itself). -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inline Filtering
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:33:18 +1000, Robin Anson robin.an...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 at 23:30:26 +1000, Mr Happy wrote: Right, I think I've worked out how to reproduce it. If I highlight the message that will be shown when I use the filter, when I use the filter, the 'no message loaded' does not appear (ie it works fine). However, if I highlight the message above the message that will be shown when filtered, and then use the filter, when the filtered message is shown, the 'no message loaded' does appear (ie it doesn't work). I'm not sure why you guys can't replicate it - I've had this bug on every single PC I've ever used The Bat on (it's always driven me nuts, it's just that I've never complained about it before). I'm slightly confused - are you talking about using the Quick Search toolbar? That seems to be the context of your original problem. If that is the case then I am unable to reproduce the example you have described above. However, MFPA expires2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Works OK here using v4.0.38 on Windows XP. I just searched for messages where header contains 753412370.20090621220...@otten.tv, which is the message-id of Roelof's post I'm replying to. Obviously it only found one. When I select that one by clicking on it, the no message loaded in the preview pane is replaced by the message text. and that can't be done using the Quick Search toolbar - I think it only looks in the TO, FROM and SUBJECT fields and it doesn't look in the message-id header field. Ah, I think you may be onto something Robin. I think Roelof and MFPA may have tested the wrong thing. The filter/search thing I'm referring to is the one on the main Bat toolbar, it has a field 'search', a 'next' button to the right, and a 'previous' button to the left. So yes, it is probably called the Quick Search (if The Bat helpfile mentions what it is called, I can't find it - The Bat really, really badly needs some proper documentation). I don't think it accepts message-id, but I didn't pick up on that until you mentioned it. Anyway, click in that search field on the toolbar, type in something that will only produce one message as the result, and then click on it and see what it shows in the preview pane below the message list. If you had highlighted another message apart from the one listed in the results of the search before you did the search, 'no message loaded' will appear and you won't be able to read the message. If you highlighted that message that appears in the results before you did the search though, it looks as though it works ok. -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Inline Filtering
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:18:11 +0100, MFPA expires2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Works OK here using v4.0.38 on Windows XP. I just searched for messages where header contains 753412370.20090621220...@otten.tv, which is the message-id of Roelof's post I'm replying to. Obviously it only found one. When I select that one by clicking on it, the no message loaded in the preview pane is replaced by the message text. Hm, Right, I think I've worked out how to reproduce it. If I highlight the message that will be shown when I use the filter, when I use the filter, the 'no message loaded' does not appear (ie it works fine). However, if I highlight the message above the message that will be shown when filtered, and then use the filter, when the filtered message is shown, the 'no message loaded' does appear (ie it doesn't work). I'm not sure why you guys can't replicate it - I've had this bug on every single PC I've ever used The Bat on (it's always driven me nuts, it's just that I've never complained about it before). -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inline Filtering
Hi everyone, I think there may be a bug in the inline filtering. Open my inbox, click in the filtering field, type in some text (say a persons name), it only finds one match. I then click on that message, but all it says in the preview pane is 'no message loaded'. If your filtering finds two or more messages, you can click on one of the other messages, then click back on the first message, and it will display, but you cannot do this when you have only one match - you have to double click on it to open it (so the bug is the message text not displaying in the preview pane when you filter and the message is the first message in the list of matching messages). -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Message Window
On Thu, 7 May 2009 17:30:09 +0200, Jos Klaassens jfa...@tiscali.nl wrote: I only use MicroEd, with no problems for these actions. For the first time g I tried the other editors and experienced exactly the behavior you described.. Heh - last night was the first time I had tried MicroEd (just to try and work out why things were working for you), and up until then, I didn't realise that MicroEd behaved differently! g -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.1.11 on Windows XP Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Message Window
On Fri, 1 May 2009 19:06:14 +0200, Jos Klaassens jfa...@tiscali.nl wrote: *Everything* you described is working just fine here.. If The Bat is already open on my PC when I click a mailto link, yes, the new message window does open on top of The Bat window. If The Bat is not running however - which it usually isn't on my PC, I only open it when needed and close it when done - the result is different (i.e. the window is likely to open underneath the main Bat window). I suspect that in some cases, having OTFE enabled - due to the password dialog - can also affect things. Shift+Tab most definitely does not move back to the subject field from the text field though. Using MicroEd, Shift+Tab will move back to the To field (that is odd in itself, the next field back from text is the subject field, and that is where it should go), using plain text - which I do, I don't like MicroEd or HTML - the cursor stays in the text field, as it does when you use HTML/Plain Text or full HTML. I think both issues are bugs. -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New Message Window
On Fri, 1 May 2009 00:26:21 +0200, MAU m...@rancho-k.com wrote: Open Editor and in View menu check if 'Store window position' is selected. Hi MAU, That option isn't checked for me. I don't suppose it fixes the 'new message window below main Bat window' thing, does it (it only fixes Lynn's issue)? -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.1.11 on Windows XP Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New Message Window
Hi everyone, Why is it that when you click a email link in your browser - and The Bat opens up with a new message - that the new message window is not pushed to the front (the main Bat window is on top and you have to click the new message button on the taskbar to bring it to the front)? On a related subject, why does the tab (shift+tab) combo not move back to the subject field when you are in the text area of the new message window? Tab after all moves from the address field to the subject field and then to the text field, but shift+tab does not go back to the subject and address fields. -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.1.11 on Windows XP Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removing OTFE
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:15:03 +0200, Eddie Castelli the...@eddiecastelli.com wrote: What is the reason for removing this security aspect? Hi everyone, I did uninstall The Bat from an admin account, but it didn't remove the registry key, so when I reinstalled, it was still using OTFE. Anyway, another uninstall and manual deletion of the key, then reinstall and then import the tbk file and I'm now OTFE-less :) Why did I want it removed? No longer have any emails worth securing. If someone wants to break into my house, boot my PC and read my emails to friends showing them my current PC wallpaper, or an animated gif of a giant 10 foot high pigeon attacking a guy feeding a flock of pigeons in a square, than they are most welcome! (Basically, having to enter a password to start The Bat every time I wanted to send a quick 5 word email was a pain in the rear end I suppose) -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.34.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Removing OTFE
Hi everyone, Hopefully an easy question - I'm currently using OTFE (Bat Pro 4.1.9), and I want to revert to non-OTFE. Is it possible? -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Any Way to Change Menu Bar Text?
Hi,
Is there any way of changing the text in the menu bar of a message
when you double click to open it in a separate window? I find the
format of View Folder {ISP Name} of {email account name} that The
Bat current uses is not very helpful. I would prefer the menu bar to
reflect the subject line of the email, like Outlook does.
--
Regards,
Mr Happy
Using The Bat! v4.0.34.0 on Windows XP
Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug in Automatic Backup
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:03:06 +0200, Peter Meyns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's in the registry. In HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! there is a key Last backup path. It should be safe to change the value and restart The Bat!. Hi, Hm, when I check that key, it does indeed say my application data folder for my Windows user account, on the C drive. The error message in The Bat most definitely mentions the E drive though. Even a full search of the registry looking for 'e:\' brings up nothing for The Bat :( -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug in Automatic Backup
Hi, With a previous The Bat installation, I had the automatic backup set to run at 1300 hours and to backup to the E drive. That was quite a long time ago. Since that time, I have reinstalled Windows and The Bat a few times, but have always kept the same message base (and I think this is the cause of the problem). Now, The Bat continues to want to backup at 1300, and pops up an error message when it can't find the E drive (drive no longer exists). I have gone into The Bat preferences, and the System options are set as thus: Auto Backup: Enabled Backup every 4 days Start at 8:00pm Clicking on Advanced, the backup folder is The Bat folder in Application Data on my C drive, so no problem there. What I need to know - where is The Bat getting this old E drive path from? It's not from the preferences, that is obvious. It can only be from the message base that I've had throughout my Bat installations surely? And is there a fix for my problem? -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address History
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:25:22 +0200, Marek Mikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it allows You to monitor communication with users, like when user wrote it last time or when You write him. You can have all messages from specific user in one Address History entry across more account/folders. You can attach virtual folder etc. Thanks Marek :) -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address History
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:52:43 -0400, Leonard Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accounts pane Do you mean on of the menus across the top: Message | Specials | Folder | Account | Tools etc.? I do not see Addresses in the Account menu. What am I missing? (I normally use The Bat! v4.0.24 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000, but to post to the TBUDL, I have to use this Gmail account and its e-mail client. sigh) Thanks He means the address pane down the left hand side of the screen (at least on mine anyway). The Bat is essentially divided into two panes - left pane lists the accounts you have, right pane shows the messages. Look right down at the bottom left of your screen, you should see three tabs at least - 'All', 'Unread', 'Addresses'. Click on the Addresses tab. -- Regards, Mr Happy Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address History
Hi everyone,
Could someone explain the address history feature? The Bat help file
is pretty uninformative on the subject ('missing context help topic
14119' actually when you click the help button in that tab).
--
Regards,
Mr Happy
Using The Bat! v4.0.24.0 on Windows XP
Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Groups
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:09:44 +0100, MFPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet if you go to the address picker again you are at your group. And I would guess you have a column of buttons down the middle. Here, the second one (which is marked ) adds the whole group. Or you can open the address book from the main TB! window, select the group and open a new message to it from the button at the top or from the context menu. Or you can open a new message and type the group name into the to, cc, or bcc field. (One other question about groups - I created two groups, one that had the 'hide items' unticked, the other that had it ticked. I then moved old email addresses that I no longer use - but still want to keep just in case - into the group with the option ticked. That removed them from the root of the Address Book - which is what I wanted - when I go Tools-Address Book, but when I create a new message and click on the Address Book button beside the to field, all those people are still listed in the root of the Address Book, the exact opposite of when you go Tools-Address Book. Is this the way it is meant to work and if so, how is it best to remove them from plain sight, but still have them in the Address Book if I need them in future?) Do the choices at options | preferences | address history help at all? Thanks, I will go with the 'typing it in route' (I want to forward a message and can't do that by right clicking on the group in the address book itself). I was actually hoping the Bat's address book would be like Outlook's - a group is listed in the root of the book and all you have to do is click on the group name once and then click the add button (or double click the group name) and the group is added to the message. Oh well, maybe in a future version of the Bat, but I won't hold my breath. The address history - I don't know what it does. I go to those preferences, click the help button (the options themselves aren't very descriptive about what they actually do) and all I get is 'missing context help topic 14119' (typical of the poor documentation/help file for the Bat unfortunately). If anyone could explain what the address history is, that would be nice. It sounds promising, but without knowing exactly what it does, I can't tell if it will solve my problem or not. -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Groups
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:01:43 +0100, MFPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My mileage if I forget to put something in To: varies according to which server I am sending from - either it will be sent or I'll get an error message instead. If it is sent, most addressees receive it ok but the odd one does not, which might be the fault of anti-spam filtering at their end (or by their ISP) rather than a server dropping the message. I may or may not get a bounce notification. IIRC, leaving To: blank is contrary to an RFC (although I can't remember if there MUST or only SHOULD be a valid address in that field). Also, an empty To: field usually becomes something awful, like undisclosed-recipients. Oh man, this is going to sound like a stupid question (and it probably is): now that I have created my new group, how do I send a message to it? When I create the new message, I click on the Address Book button beside bcc. My Address Book opens up. I'm ok so far. However, there are no groups listed here, it is just the root of the Address Book with everyone listed. So, I click on the dropdown field and find the group. Still doing ok. Now, I cannot see any way to add the whole group in one go, I still have to go through and double click on each member of the group, which basically negates the whole point of creating a group :( (One other question about groups - I created two groups, one that had the 'hide items' unticked, the other that had it ticked. I then moved old email addresses that I no longer use - but still want to keep just in case - into the group with the option ticked. That removed them from the root of the Address Book - which is what I wanted - when I go Tools-Address Book, but when I create a new message and click on the Address Book button beside the to field, all those people are still listed in the root of the Address Book, the exact opposite of when you go Tools-Address Book. Is this the way it is meant to work and if so, how is it best to remove them from plain sight, but still have them in the Address Book if I need them in future?) -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Groups
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:10:44 +0200, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The name is the real name. The distinctive name or handle is the code that you see in the properties of the individual address book entry when you check for the groups it belongs to. (One entry can belong to multiple unrelated groups.) Hi Roelof, Thank you. If I understand from what you've said, the name is what you see when you click on Tools-Address Book (i.e. it is the entry listed under Personal Address Book in the left hand pane). The handle is the entry listed when you actually open an address book entry (so a person you have in there) and check the Groups field? -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Groups
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:07:41 +0100, MFPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless every single member of the group has given you permission to share their email address with all the other members you probably should not list all their email addresses in the to field. Better to put them all in the bcc field instead. You should put something in the to field - maybe the group name and your own email address (or a disposable email address set up for the purpose). Hi, This is something I wanted to do (not show all the email addresses I mean). So to do this in The Bat, I should add the members to the group, and then when I create a new message, instead of putting that group into the 'to' field, I should put it into the 'bcc' field, and then just put a disposable email address in the 'to' field? -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Groups
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:47:18 +1000, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go to the group, right click and select properties, untick the item labelled Hide items if not explicitly selected. The contents of the group will appear back in the root of the address book. Hi, Excellent, thank you. That did the trick. My next question was going to be what is the 'hide items if not explicitly displayed' option? I thought it may refer to instead of listing every single email address in the 'to' field when you send an email to the group, it may just list the name of the group (which is something I want to work out how to do). From your reply though, this option just refers to whether the members of the group are also shown individually in the root of the address book? Also, can anyone tell me what is the difference between the name and distinctive name in the group setup dialog? (The Bat help file is not all that helpful for certain options, as it doesn't describe them at all) -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Groups
Hi everyone, I want to setup a distribution list for some of the people I have in my address book. Problem is, when I create a group in the Bat and move the people into it, their entries are removed from the root level of the address book. What this means is that if I want to send an email to a person individually, there is an extra click - I first have to open the address book and then instead of just double clicking on their entry, I have to first open the group and then double click on their entry. Is there another way to do this, or is there a way to have a person in both a group and the root of the address book at the same time? -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Changing OTFE Password
Hi everyone, Simple question (can't find the answer in the Bat's help file, and a search of this list didn't give me anything either): how do you change your OTFE password in The Bat? -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing OTFE Password
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:07:06 +0200, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Create a full internal backup with TB Uninstall TB (re)move your mail directory Install TB Run TB TB will recognize it's being run for the first time and will present some options Enable OTFE Restore backup And you're done In case you're running TB from a restricted user account from Windows, don't uninstall and install TB, but simply delete the registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT For the rest the procedure is the same Wow, I would have loved to have been in the Ritlabs meeting that came up with that idea. I bet it went something like this: Ritlabs Employee #1: Hey, we need a way for our users to change their OTFE password once they have set it. Ritlabs Employee #2: Well, let's not go with just the usual option in the Preferences dialog, that is way too boring. Ritlabs Employee #1: Ah - I've got it. Let's make them uninstall the program, delete their mail folder, reinstall the program, run it, re-enable OTFE and then restore a backup of their mail folder! Ritlabs Employee #2: Brilliant, you are a genius! Here, have a payrise! -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Odd Behaviour with v4.0.24?
Hi everyone, I've been deleting some emails from The Bat. I went in and deleted an entire folder (I first deleted all the messages out of it individually and then right clicked on the folder and went 'Delete'). I then went into another folder in the same account and suddenly I could hardly do anything to the messages within - I could not mark as read, or mark as unread. I could not delete. I could double click to open, and that was about it. It wasn't just the one folder, this was the same for every other folder in the account. I then closed The Bat and re-opened it, and everything is now back to normal. Has anyone else experienced this behaviour? -- Regards, Mr Happy Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
