Re: OAUTH Grayed Out

[David Shepherd]

Title: Re: OAUTH Grayed Out


Hello MFPA,

I did find a work around for my Yahoo! account. Yahoo! offers the ability to generate a third party app password.  This did work, whew!  When I have the time and inclination I will try the method you described. Thank you for letting me know about your tip.




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Sunday, November 22, 2020, 5:40:52 PM, you wrote:





Hi


On Saturday 21 November 2020 at 7:11:25 PM, in
<mid:1097402151.20201121121...@yandex.com>, David Shepherd wrote:-






However, my Yahoo account stopped being able to login. I believe it is because Yahoo has instituted a strict OAUTH policy. 



[snipped]





. Is there something I must do to enable OAUTH?


 
Add a new copy of the yahoo account in TB!. With luck, it will get you to do the "OAUTH" bit in your web browser when you are adding the account, and subsequently the account will login as normal within TB!. It might not work first time; if so delete the new copy of the account and try again. I had to do this four times for one of my accounts.

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Re: OAUTH Grayed Out

[David Shepherd]

Title: Re: OAUTH Grayed Out


Hello MAU,

Thank you for taking the time to to check your accounts, and for your suggestion. I'm glad to know, at least, I am not the only one with grayed out accounts :-)




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Sunday, November 22, 2020, 12:04:58 PM, you wrote:

M> Hello David,

M> I  have  four  accounts and only two of them have OAUTH grayed out. My
M> guess  is  that it may depend on the mail server used by each account,
M> and not from any setting in TB. But that is just a guess.




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OAUTH Grayed Out

[David Shepherd]

Title: OAUTH Grayed Out


Hello TBUDL,

I decided to finally upgrade to ver.9 today. So far, I like it a lot.

However, my Yahoo account stopped being able to login. I believe it is because Yahoo has instituted a strict OAUTH policy. So, I went to 'Account -> Properties -> Transport -> Receive mail -> Authentication ' to change the authentication method from 'Regular' to 'OAUTH using Web Browser', but OAUTH is grayed out and not selectable.  I then switched to my Yandex account properties and OAUTH is also grayed out as well. In fact all the accounts I have in The Bat! have OAUTH grayed out. Is there something I must do to enable OAUTH?

So far I have restarted The Bat! and rebooted the system, but to no avail. Any suggestions?

Thank you,
David




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Re: TB not exiting properly

[David Shepherd]

Thursday, May 21, 2020, 2:03:55 PM, you wrote:

S> Hello,

S> Thursday, May 21, 2020, 11:25:26 AM, Melissa wrote:

>> I suppose the only potentially useful aspect of mentioning my past and
>> current experiences is that these issues don't seem to happen consistently,
>> and I have no idea why/why not.

S> Thank you!

S> It helps to know that it's not a setting I somehow messed up.
S> Never had the problem with previous versions.


Hello Susanne,

I have done fresh installs of Win10 twice in the past 6 months.  The Bat! is 
one of the first programs I install.  Both times, right after installation, The 
Bat! fails to close properly, and continues to close improperly. Most annoying.
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Re:Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hail Thomas,

On Sun, 10 May 2020, at 08:55:52 [which was on Sunday at 02:55 where I live] 
you wrote:

[...]

>>>>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

>>> [...]
>>>> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

>>> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
>>> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
>>> can still rename it back if I am wrong.

>> Different error now.

>> ---
>> Maintenance Centre
>> ---
>> Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The
>> Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
>> ---
>> OK
>> ---

> Before you started the Maintenance Center, did you recreate the index
> file as per my suggestion? 

Yes

> Could you access the messages?

Nope. 

> Now you have an error in the message base. I don't know what the error
> message means.

> Is it the same folder?

Yes it is. 


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Re:Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hi Jernej,

On Sun, 10 May 2020, at 22:54:16 [which was on Sunday at 21:54 where I live] 
you wrote:

> On Saturday, May 9, 2020, 20:13:08, David Elliott wrote:

>> Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The
>> Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)

> Try copying (not moving) this file to another directory; if you're
> successful, delete the original file, then move the copied file back.

I did copy it, not successful.

> If the copy isn't successful, it's likely that your disk is dying -
> make a backup at OS level, and restore it to a new disk.

That would be interesting, it is on a RAID 6. I do have an OS backup as well as 
a backup from RegEdit of the correct tree.

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Re:Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] you 
wrote:

>> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
>> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

>> [ ... ]

>> Example of a correct directory listing
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> [DELTA-S2]
>> 03/05/2020 12:50:07.06
>> E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox
>> dir
>>  Volume in drive E is Data
>>  Volume Serial Number is FC64-460A

>>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

> [...]
>> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
> can still rename it back if I am wrong.

Thanks I will have a go and see what happens. My method is much the same it 
would go to message.old.0.tbn

> By the way, I don't know what all these .csdsig files are. I don't
> have them, maybe someone else has an idea.

They are something to do with a backup system that I use by Altaro.

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Re:Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] you 
wrote:

> [...]

>> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
>> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

[...]

>>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

> [...]
>> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
> can still rename it back if I am wrong.

Different error now.

---
Maintenance Centre
---
Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The 
Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
-------
OK   
---


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Re:Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 10:30:16 [which was on Sunday at 04:30 where I live] you 
wrote:

>>>> I am having problems with my backup.

[ ... ]

>>>> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
>>>> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

>>>> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

[ ... ]

>> Text of the error.

>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> An Error occurred whilst storing data of the folder
>> \\Elliott\Inbox

>> It is possible that the message base index file is damaged - try to delete
>> the index file (.TBI/.EBI) and re-read the folder, then try to backup again
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

> Noted, this tells me something.

>>>> Directory listing

>> included a snip of the directory listing
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.~FLB
> [...]

> This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
> directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
> folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
> will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
> two others, I forgot).

I have created many folders.

> So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
> Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
> latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
> and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
> take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I should have said 
"I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

[ ... ]

Example of a correct directory listing 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
[DELTA-S2]
03/05/2020 12:50:07.06
E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox
>dir
 Volume in drive E is Data
 Volume Serial Number is FC64-460A

 Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

19/04/2017  10:56  .
19/04/2017  10:56  ..
28/11/2016  16:49  CAC
28/11/2016  16:49  Geoff
28/11/2016  16:50  List
28/11/2016  16:50  List Info
16/12/2010  22:11   311,947,816 batCBED.tmp
19/07/2011  12:1778,379,308 batEA0D.tmp
17/01/2014  22:29   181,377,687 batF75E.tmp
03/05/2020  12:37   669,886,081 MESSAGES.TBB
05/02/2014  00:04 1,422,872 MESSAGES.TBB.csdsig
30/05/2011  16:14 2,355,463 MESSAGES.TBB-2011-05-30 16-00-27.csdsig
16/05/2011  00:05 2,334,922 MESSAGES.TBB-2011-09-01 17-00-53.csdsig
04/09/2012  23:41   871,591 MESSAGES.TBB-2012-09-04 22-00-05.csdsig
03/11/2013  15:34 1,261,496 MESSAGES.TBB-2013-11-03 15-00-53.csdsig
16/05/2011  00:05 2,334,922 MESSAGES.TBB-2013-11-13 20-00-09.csdsig
01/12/2013  00:10 1,310,204 MESSAGES.TBB-2013-11-30 23-00-33.csdsig
16/05/2011  00:05 2,334,922 MESSAGES.TBB-2013-12-10 22-00-42.csdsig
16/05/2011  00:05 2,334,922 MESSAGES.TBB-2013-12-25 16-00-23.csdsig
16/05/2011  00:05 2,334,922 MESSAGES.TBB-2013-12-26 12-00-15.csdsig
03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN
  15 File(s)  1,267,719,354 bytes
   6 Dir(s)  1,747,217,686,528 bytes free
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


dd


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Re:Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hello Thomas,

On Sat, 2 May 2020, at 10:10:51 [which was on Saturday at 04:10 where I live] 
you wrote:

> Hello David,

> On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:27:28 +0100 GMT (01-May-20, 21:27 +0700 GMT),
> David Elliott wrote:

>> I am having problems with my backup.
>> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
>> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
>> the latest version, then transfer it across.

>> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
>> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

>> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

>> Screen shot of error

> The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
> tell us what it said?

:(

Text of the error.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
An Error occurred whilst storing data of the folder
\\Elliott\Inbox

It is possible that the message base index file is damaged - try to delete
the index file (.TBI/.EBI) and re-read the folder, then try to backup again
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

>> Directory listing

included a snip of the directory listing
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.~FLB
01/05/2020  13:3014,235 Account.CFN
25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.FLB
06/01/2020  13:57   347,907 ACCOUNT.HIS
25/11/2013  22:2720,274 ACCOUNT.LOG
01/05/2020  15:2525 ACCOUNT.M_D
01/05/2020  15:2540 ACCOUNT.M_R
03/10/2018  14:5142,080 ACCOUNT.QTB
28/01/2013  22:02 2,158 ACCOUNT.QTN
06/04/2020  22:31 1,024 ACCOUNT.RND
10/06/2015  11:3147,520 ACCOUNT.SRB
01/05/2020  15:2520,437 ACCOUNT_LOG.TXT

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Backup with Errors

[David Elliott]

Hello Hive Mind,

I am having problems with my backup.
I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to the latest 
version, then transfer it across.

I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

Screen shot of error


Directory listing

01/05/2020 15:26:19.12
E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott
>dir
 Volume in drive E is Data
 Volume Serial Number is FC64-460A

 Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott

28/11/2016  16:49  $JUNK$
28/11/2016  16:49  $KNOWN$
28/11/2016  16:50  .
28/11/2016  16:50  ..
28/11/2016  16:49  Analyze
28/11/2016  16:49  Attach
19/04/2017  10:56  Inbox
28/11/2016  16:50  Outbox
28/11/2016  16:50  Sent
28/11/2016  16:50  Trash
25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.~FLB
01/05/2020  13:3014,235 Account.CFN
25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.FLB
06/01/2020  13:57   347,907 ACCOUNT.HIS
25/11/2013  22:2720,274 ACCOUNT.LOG
01/05/2020  15:2525 ACCOUNT.M_D
01/05/2020  15:2540 ACCOUNT.M_R
03/10/2018  14:5142,080 ACCOUNT.QTB
28/01/2013  22:02 2,158 ACCOUNT.QTN
06/04/2020  22:31 1,024 ACCOUNT.RND
10/06/2015  11:3147,520 ACCOUNT.SRB
01/05/2020  15:2520,437 ACCOUNT_LOG.TXT
  12 File(s)  1,031,060 bytes
  10 Dir(s)  1,752,864,997,376 bytes free

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Re:Formatting

[David Elliott]

Salutation Tom,

Try Ctrl + shift + V 



Is this what you are after?

On Fri, 1 May 2020, at 16:21:17 [which was on Friday at 07:21 where I live] you 
wrote:

> Hello Everyone,

> is there a setting that I can use so that TB will keep the
> formatting of the email compose window?  

> I am using a specific font size and font for my emails but often
> copy & paste details from other systems into the
> emails. Some of these are very small fonts, so each time I need to
> go in and manually change this to match the rest
> of the text. See the following example which looks silly but also
> affects the formatting of the following text. So, I 
> am hoping for a feature like in excel that states that formatting
> of the destination sheet is being kept.

> Example: CN101402 for the copy and paste, suddenly much smaller
> text and not only for the copied part but also for whatever I write 
> subsequently

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[David Shepherd]

Monday, April 13, 2020, 9:39:36 AM, you wrote:


TF> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF> Windows complains. What should I do?

Hello Thomas,

This one worked for me:


"C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

Hope it helps.

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Re: Out of memory error

[David Earl]

Hi Jack,

JSL> Hello David,

JSL> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 you wrote:

DE>> Hi Jack,

JSL>>> Hello Thomas,

JSL>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 you wrote:

TF>>>> Hello David,

TF>>>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:34:18 +0200 GMT (23-Aug-17, 12:34 +0700 GMT),
TF>>>> David Earl wrote:

>>>>> Hi Jack,

JSL>>>>>> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL>>>>>> My wife tried to attach an .MP4 video (which resided on her desktop) 
to a new
JSL>>>>>> email and received an "out of memory" error. I had her close then 
re-start TB!
JSL>>>>>> but the same thing happened again. Any ideas why this would be 
happening?

>>>>> My guess is that the size of the file is not the problem.
TF>>>> [snip]

TF>>>> Before we take any guesses, may I kindly suggest we wait for him to
TF>>>> advise the file size.

JSL>>> My apologies to all for not including pertinent information in the 
original
JSL>>> email. It was sent in haste.

JSL>>> So, The file size (.MP4) is 594,243,584 bytes.
JSL>>> The computer's (Asus laptop) memory size is 8 GB.
JSL>>> OS is Win 10 Home 64 bit.

JSL>>> She is running TB! v6.0.12.

JSL>>> I have not yet tried to duplicate emailing this file from my desktop but 
will do
JSL>>> so soon.

DE>> It was actually not so much of a guess, Jack, because I have seen the
DE>> indicated error message before. I suggested the solution that resolved
DE>> my problem.

DE>> As far as guesses go, _*assuming*_ that the attachment file size is
DE>> the problem is also a guess. Personally, I've sent files that were
DE>> over a gigabyte through TheBat and, on a 32-bit system, the
DE>> theoretical limit is 4 GB. I haven't checked on the 64-bit limit. Said
DE>> size has nothing to do with RAM.

DE>> The general cause of problems with attachment sizes are the limits
DE>> placed on accounts by the ISP, especially when free accounts are used,
DE>> not email clients. Those limits cannot cause problems until the
DE>> message reaches the ISP's servers and can be examined by them. Such a
DE>> problem should not affect the local computer.

JSL> I halfway suspected something like this and since we both have free email
JSL> accounts through Charter (now Spectrum) you're probably right. If in fact 
it is
JSL> Spectrum's doing then you would think the error message would be a lot more
JSL> enlightening to the customer. An error message that explained it's raison 
d'etre
JSL> might plant the idea that perhaps a paid account would be more to the 
customer's
JSL> liking.

JSL> Thanks for your input.

I started programming systems using punch cards, through 7-bit
mini-computers up to Windows XP & Vista. The error handling has not
been improved. In fact, encapsulation thanks to (D)COM and
object-orientation have (in my experience) only "muddied the waters",
because of the replacement of low-level error messages with other
error messages in the outer encapsulation layers.

The fact is that like writing documentation, error handling does not
pay the bills for software companies and very few are willing to trade
on the intangibles like: good will, good customer education and so on;
potentially created by good documentation and error handling efforts.

The lack of faith in such intangibles is one reason why I burned-out
and traded programming for translating languages as a career path.

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Re: Out of memory error

[David Earl]

Hi Jack,

JSL> Hello Thomas,

JSL> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 you wrote:

TF>> Hello David,

TF>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:34:18 +0200 GMT (23-Aug-17, 12:34 +0700 GMT),
TF>> David Earl wrote:

>>> Hi Jack,

JSL>>>> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL>>>> My wife tried to attach an .MP4 video (which resided on her desktop) to 
a new
JSL>>>> email and received an "out of memory" error. I had her close then 
re-start TB!
JSL>>>> but the same thing happened again. Any ideas why this would be 
happening?

>>> My guess is that the size of the file is not the problem.
TF>> [snip]

TF>> Before we take any guesses, may I kindly suggest we wait for him to
TF>> advise the file size.

JSL> My apologies to all for not including pertinent information in the original
JSL> email. It was sent in haste.

JSL> So, The file size (.MP4) is 594,243,584 bytes.
JSL> The computer's (Asus laptop) memory size is 8 GB.
JSL> OS is Win 10 Home 64 bit.

JSL> She is running TB! v6.0.12.

JSL> I have not yet tried to duplicate emailing this file from my desktop but 
will do
JSL> so soon.

It was actually not so much of a guess, Jack, because I have seen the
indicated error message before. I suggested the solution that resolved
my problem.

As far as guesses go, _*assuming*_ that the attachment file size is
the problem is also a guess. Personally, I've sent files that were
over a gigabyte through TheBat and, on a 32-bit system, the
theoretical limit is 4 GB. I haven't checked on the 64-bit limit. Said
size has nothing to do with RAM.

The general cause of problems with attachment sizes are the limits
placed on accounts by the ISP, especially when free accounts are used,
not email clients. Those limits cannot cause problems until the
message reaches the ISP's servers and can be examined by them. Such a
problem should not affect the local computer.

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Re: Out of memory error

[David Earl]

Hi Jack,

JSL> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL> My wife tried to attach an .MP4 video (which resided on her desktop) to a 
new
JSL> email and received an "out of memory" error. I had her close then re-start 
TB!
JSL> but the same thing happened again. Any ideas why this would be happening?

Ok, what you'll need to do is find the Outbox directory used by TB on
your local machine. It should contain two files, a Message.TBB and a
"Message" file with either a TBI or a TBN extension. (You might want
to enable the display of file extensions for this, because Windows
deactivates the display of extensions by default, under the assumption
that users are too dumb to understand the meaning of file extensions.)

The TBB file(s) are the mail database(s). The TBI or TBN file(s) are
the index files. I would suggest renaming the TBI or TBN file, say
from "Message.TBN" to "OldMessage.TBN". (Essentially, save the file
just in case you need to put it back, right?)

Then, start TB. When it finds that the Message.TBI/TBN file is
missing, that should trigger a re-index process.

I would also recommend against sending anything from the Desktop. It
is not a real directory per se. It is a virtual directory that is
attached under the directory used by Windows for user accounts (as are
all of the "My..." directories). User account directories are
specially protected against user intervention/"interference". That
special protection may have interfered with the process of encoding
the MP4 for transmission. It's better to place files in directories
that have been created by the user (directly under the drive
partition, such as a D:\Upload directory).

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Re: Out of memory error

[David Earl]

Hi Jack,

JSL> Hello TBUDL'ers,

JSL> My wife tried to attach an .MP4 video (which resided on her desktop) to a 
new
JSL> email and received an "out of memory" error. I had her close then re-start 
TB!
JSL> but the same thing happened again. Any ideas why this would be happening?



My guess is that the size of the file is not the problem. Therefore
recommendations for external programs, apps and websites will not
help.

Instead, the problem is that the indices used by TheBat have become
corrupted and TB needs to be told to re-create them. As long as the
corrupted index files exist, it will spit out the out of memory error
upon start up.

I'm not sure if there is a flag that can be set using the command
line, when starting TB from the command line, or if one or more of the
files in your directory structure will have to be deleted (to force
the corresponding mail database to be re-indexed). Fortunately, TB
keeps the indices external to the mail databases...I just don't know
which extension those index files use.

My recommendation is to wait for someone with such knowledge to
respond and I hope this message has gotten the conversation going in
the direction of a real solution. Hopefully, you know your own
directory structure well enough to know which directory contains the
Outbox or Sent directory with the corrupted index.

-- 
Thanks,
David
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Upgrade process TB v. 3.85.03 to TB v. 7.3.6

[David Earl]

Hi All,

I've been using TB 3.85.03 for years and been fairly happy with it.
However, one of my providers has switched to using SSL, which doesn't
seem to be an option in this version of TB. So, I've purchased the
upgrade to the current version (7-3-6).

The question is how to do the upgrade. Will a 4-version jump still
understand the old message bases, address books, filter/rule settings,
etc.? Is there an export/import or backup/restore process that might
prove a better approach to doing the upgrade?

As long as I'm looking at this issue, I'll raise a second issue. When
I setup the original installation, I missed the option to store
attachments in a separate folder, so attachments are being stored in
the message bases. Especially if I need to do an additional
import/export/backup/restore, it might be time to change that setting
and get the attachments into one or more external folders.
Are there suggestions for accomplishing that?

-- 
TIA,
David
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Re[2]: unable to send messages - actual information

[David]

-- Original Message --
From: "Achdut18" <achdu...@gmail.com>
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Sent: 07/06/2016 06:42:51
Subject: Re: unable to send messages - actual information

A few hours ago I wrote that I would update to ver 7 and try again to 
send e-mail from my 1and1.com accounts.


Sadly, despite having upgraded to ver 7, I am STILL unable to send 
e-mail from my 1and1.com accounts.   I will either have to abandon The 
Bat or find another e-mail host.   The present situation is not 
tenable.   One solution means a lot of downtime in altering settings 
and transferring files., or altering settings and losing web-based 
files.  Neither one of the solutions is optimal.  Preferably, the Bat 
developers and the administrators at 1and1.com would sit down together 
to figure out how to solve this problem.  I have also opened up a 
ticket with The Bat support team on this issue.



--
Avi

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I am not sure if my last message got through but have been playing 
around with things


I found that ver 7 was the same. So I then uninstalled TB and ran a 
registry cleaner (Reg Seeker) to clear out all instances of The Bat.


On install it found the accounts but was faulting. I then changed the 
settings to:-


SMTP - Regular and port 587. Authentication - selected the first two 
items


POP - Regular and port 110. Authentication - Regular

I don't know if cleaning the registry was necessary but I now have it 
working again.


Hope this helps

David


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Re[2]: unable to send messages - actual information

[David]

-- Original Message --
From: "Marck Pearlstone" <ma...@silverstones.com>
To: "Forums on TBUDL" <tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com>
Sent: 06/06/2016 12:31:21
Subject: Re: unable to send messages - actual information


Dear David,

@06-Jun-2016, 1:06  +  (06-Jun 12:11 here) David [F] in
mid:em2c338905-d69c-476d-8309-2ae31b6203c2@david-npc said:

... 

F> I don't understand all this authentication. Nothing has changed at 
my

F> end.

It  is crystal clear that something fundamental was changed at the 1&1
server  end that stops TB authentication from working. I see that they
have 2 named SMTP servers:

auth.smtp.1and1.co.uk
smtp.1and1.co.uk

Which are you using?


--
Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! 
v7.1.18.10 (BETA) on Windows 10.0.10586


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Thanks Marck

I am using auth.smtp.1and1.co.uk. Tried the other but reports there is 
no such server.


I will try ringing them again later.

David


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Re[2]: unable to send messages - actual information

[David]

-- Original Message --
From: "Harald Faber" 
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Sent: 06/06/2016 10:02:48
Subject: Re: unable to send messages - actual information


Hi all,

I have found the following thread in a German TheBat board:

https://www.batboard.net/index.php/Thread/13294-TB-4-2-44-2-kann-pl%C3%B6tzlich-keine-Mails-mehr-versenden-1-1-gmx/

The trouble might have to do with SPF which has been introduced for 
1und1, gmx, web.de:


http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/United-Internet-verschaerft-Spam-Bekaempfung-3225281.html 
(German)



Up to now there are two options to be able to send mails via client 
again:


1. Update TheBat to v.6.6 or higher. They work and cause no trouble. 
For me it costs money for the upgrade: 19,95 Eur for the Home version, 
29,95 Eur for the pro version (both plus taxes)


2. Use a different Email-client like Thunderbird which costs 0 Eur.

I have not decided yet what I will do. As I use Voyager, I'd need to 
upgrade my pro version for almost 40 Euro which also *might* solve my 
other issue with TheBat crashing with "TMail message released before 
its use". OTOH if that crash does not get fixed, it would be a 40 Eur 
for a single "bugfix", because the current version I have, 5.x, does 
all I need and want concerning functionality. I think I will take a 
look at Thunderbird and all its functions and plugins whether they can 
compete with TheBat concerning filters, address books, postbox 
inspector and templates.


And it would make a possible switch from Windows to Linux definitely 
more attractive, or does Ritlabs plan to release a Mac or Linux 
version?


 ---
I tried ver 7 and the problem still exists. I am using eMClient at the 
moment which is ok and free, but would prefer to have TB working 
correctly.


I don't understand all this authentication. Nothing has changed at my 
end.






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Re[3]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

[David]

-- Original Message --
From: "David" <fo...@greenandgrass.co.uk>
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com; "Harald Faber" <tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com>
Sent: 05/06/2016 18:58:22
Subject: Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts




-- Original Message --
From: "Sam Brown" <norma...@mynormallife.com>
To: "Harald Faber" <tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com>
Sent: 05/06/2016 17:19:25
Subject: Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts


Sunday, June 5, 2016, 6:04:23 AM, Harald wrote:

 >> On 6/4/2016 Harald Faber wrote:

HF>>> This situation is not amusing. Is Ritlabs informed about this 
issue in

HF>>> the meantime?

 >> Notice my version of TB... I have had this problem intermittently
 >> starting in version 4 of TB. In my most recent experience before I 
moved
 >> my domain to a VPS only my sub-domains worked. My primary domain 
did not
 >> work. Moving my domain to a VPS fixed the SMTP problem. How can 
this be

 >> a Ritlabs problem???

HF> If it works with Thunderbird and does not work with TheBat - what 
could

HF> be the reason? The Hoster? Don't think so.

HF> Is there anybody out there not having this problem? With which 
TheBat

HF> Version?
HF> TBH I am not willing to bite that dust and blame my Email provider 
when
HF> other Email clients have no problem. Especially with a commercial 
product.


There are a number of things that can go wrong, and it's typically a 
problem with the hosting provider. I don't recall you saying you had 
upgraded TB! or changed any settings, in fact, you said "starting 
Tuesday evening, for no apparent reason, I cannot SEND mail from the 
accounts with the private domains" so that tells me something changed 
somewhere else. Ocassionally, I do have issues with my provider, 
either because they're having system issues (hardware issues, a patch 
that went bad, problem with their network connection, etc.) or they 
changed settings on their systems such that the way I've been sending 
and receiving email no longer works. The former they will usually 
communicate through their status site or in the support section, the 
latter I usually just have to work out on my own (though I could 
probably contact support if needed). So yes, things can suddenly stop 
working, but it's rarely a problem with a client, particularly if 
nothing changed about the client.


I don't know how 1&1 works, so I'll use my own hosting provider as an 
example. When it comes to sending and receiving mail, I can do it 
through an address like: mail.somehost.com for both SMTP and POP3. 
Because this is shared hosting, I can also go to my exact server, 
myserver.mail.somehost.com and that seems to make things work a little 
more smoothly when it comes to secure connections.


Protocols and ports:

-Send mail-
Connection: "Secure to dedicated port (TLS)"
Port: 465
Authentication: "Perform SMTP Authentication", "Same user/password as 
for Mail Retrieval"


-Receive mail-
Username: (I provide)
Password: (I provide)
Connection: "Secure to dedicated port (TLS)"
Port: 995
Authentication: "Regular"

When I send a message, it looks like this(blocking out some 
information):


 6/5/2016, 12:10:24: SEND  - sending mail message(s) - 1 message(s) in 
queue
 6/5/2016, 12:10:24: SEND  - Connecting to SMTP server 
xxx.mail.xxx.com on port 465

 6/5/2016, 12:10:24: SEND  - Initiating TLS handshake
6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - Certificate S/N: 
0950C56EAE11C0D923512B87F3C96DFC, algorithm: RSA (4096 bits), issued 
from 1/25/2012 to 1/24/2017 11:59:59 PM, for 2 host(s): 
*.mail.xxx.com, mail.xxx.com.
6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - Owner: "US", "92821", "California", 
"xxx", "xxx Rd", "xxx Web Hosting", "admins", "Provided by xxx 
Network, LLC", "xxx Premium Wildcard SSL", "*.mail.xxx.com".
6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - Issuer: "US", "XXX CERTIFICATION 
AUTHORITY", "XXX SSL CA". Valid from 3/4/2009 to 5/30/2020 10:48:38 
AM.
6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - Root: "US", "UT", "Salt Lake City", "The 
USERTRUST Network", "http://www.usertrust.com;, 
"UTN-USERFirst-Hardware". Valid from 7/9/1999 6:10:42 PM to 7/9/2019 
6:19:22 PM.

 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - TLS handshake complete
 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - connected to SMTP server
 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND  - authenticating (login)...
 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - sending message to x...@gmail.com
<6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - message to x...@gmail.com sent (425 bytes)
 6/5/2016, 12:10:26: SEND  - connection finished - 1 message(s) sent

So you should see information on the secure connection and just check 
to make sure all the certificates are valid.


I'm not saying this wil

Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

[David]

ng any changes, while not as detailed as I'd 
like, it should give you a general idea where the connection is 
failing.


Good luck!

-Sam

-
Thank you for that. Tried those settings and no go.

I have even tried it on my laptop which I use rarely and even tried 
Win10. All of which failed so it must be down to 1and1 and their change 
of settings somehow, also the latest ver 7


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Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

[David]

-- Original Message --
From: "Gene Kearns" <ewkea...@tranquilrefuge.net>
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Sent: 05/06/2016 12:44:04
Subject: Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts




 If it works with Thunderbird and does not work with TheBat - what 
could

 be the reason? The Hoster? Don't think so.



 Is there anybody out there not having this problem? With which TheBat
 Version?
 TBH I am not willing to bite that dust and blame my Email provider 
when
 other Email clients have no problem. Especially with a commercial 
product.


 -
 Is anyone taking responsibility for this problem? For it to happen 
suddenly to so many users seems strange.


I am using ver 6.02 and 1and1 is my mail provider. Is this happening on 
the latest version?


I am having to use eMClient to send email. It had no problem in 
establishing a connection and setting the protocols, in fact it does 
that automatically.


I have tried the other suggestions but they do not work.

Regards

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Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

[David]

-- Original Message --
From: "Tony Brookes" <t...@tonybro.com>
To: "Achdut18" <tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com>
Sent: 02/06/2016 21:18:32
Subject: Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

I use 1and1 and SMTP, I use 'Secure to dedicated port' and the port is 
465. I use the same for connection type for POP on port 995. See if 
those settings help at all.



 Hello Marck,



 You wrote:



MP>> My first guess would be that the hotel wifi blocks port 25 to 
prevent
MP>> guests spambot infested systems spewing junk from their 
connection.


 My wife reports that the same problem is happening in our home 
office.


MP>> It is highly
MP>> possible that your personal domain email accounts are not 
configured

MP>> to use TLS, SLL or StartTLS so get blocked from using port 25.

 My SMTP connection is "Secure on regular port (STARTTLS)".   and, 
that

 port is 587.


 It   seems   that  I  need  to  explore  with  my e-mail host 
service,

 1&1.com, the basis for this problem.
I have had problems posting this so hope it comes through - thank you 
Marck for helping.


 I am having the same problems with 1&1 and TB. It has been flaky over 
the last couple of days but now it won't work.


I had a long conversation with 1&1 but were unable to help. Seems to be 
tied up with authentication.


I have now set up my account in emClient and copied the settings across 
and it works ok. I am using POP3


I am using the following settings in eMClient

SMTP
auth.smtp.1and1.co.uk
Port 587
Security policy "Force usage of SSS/TLS
Server requires Authentication Ticked
IMAP
imap.1and1.co.uk
port 993
Security policy "Use SSS/TLS on special port (legacy)
Authentication "Use identity credentials"

The security credentials were auto selected by eMClient by negotiation 
with the server.


These settings do not directly relate to TB, and I don't understand why 
this should suddenly happen when nothing has changed with me. I have 
even restored an earlier image to check that aspect.


Hope this is of some help to you

Regards

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Pulling up the correct address for a reply

[David Elliott]

Hello All,

Here is the situation

I have a catch all address on one of my domains.
I use a different address for each site that I visit e.g.

david.ar...@mydomain.com
david.123...@mydomain.com

When I hit reply I want this to be the sending address, but it has to work when 
I am in the To: CC: and BCC: and when there are many in each list.

There are some things that that appears to be common across all messages. I 
have highlighted them  below from an email that I was BCC on.

I think I need a regex to pull out the address correctly.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Return-Path: <g...@example.com>
Received: from [212.227.15.41] ([212.227.15.41]) by mx.kundenserver.de
 (mxeue001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MfyNw-1aXZje29DQ-00NBV2 for
 <david.catch...@mydomain.biz>; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:15:02 +0100
Received: from clustermx10.nwk01.hosting.com ([204.12.102.45]) by
 mx.kundenserver.de (mxeue001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id
 0LfJWb-1Zp0Wd1xmr-00p4dh for <david.s...@mydomain.biz>; Tue, 19 Jan 2016
 15:15:02 +0100
X-HDC-Scanned: Yes
Received: from mail40.safesecureweb.com (mail40.safesecureweb.com 
[65.36.177.219])
by clustermx10.nwk01.hosting.com (HDCMail-outmx) with ESMTP id 
ABD944C81BC;
Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:14:53 -0500 (EST)
Received: from Greg (5e0f9b6a.bb.sky.com [94.15.155.106]) by 
mail40.safesecureweb.com with SMTP;
   Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:14:41 -0500
From: "Greg" <g...@example.com>
To: "'Greg'" <g...@example.com>
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8< -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

  

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Re:spontaneous sending of outbox messages

[David Elliott]

Hi MFPA,

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, at 22:24:53 [which was on Thursday at 22:24 where I live] 
you wrote:

 On Thursday 10 April 2014 at 2:15:47 PM, in
 mid:375680214.20140410201...@thebat.net, Thomas Fernandez wrote:


 However, there was one TB! version that sent out draft
 messages when they were reopened in the editor.

 That would be expected behaviour, unless the message was again saved 
 as a draft.

Yet another reason that I have been asking for a Draft folder folder for 
years!

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Re:RITLABS Web Site

[David Elliott]

Hi MFPA,

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, at 12:00:49 [which was on Thursday at 12:00 where
I live] you wrote:

 Does anyone know what the story is on the RitLabs web
 site? Trying to access any other page on it redirects
 to http://www.ritlabs.com/ only.

 I noticed that the day before yesterday, just the purchase and
 download page with a link to email supp...@ritlabs.com. No
 bugtracker, no forum, no FAQ page.

I needed a copy of Bat Post so I emailed them and they put up a link with in a 
few minutes.

:)

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Spam Catchers

[David Elliott]

Hello Tbudl,

What do you all use to catch SPAM?

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Re:Spam Catchers

[David Elliott]

Hello Julian,

On Fri, 27 Sep 2013, at 15:52:55 [which was on Friday at 15:52 where
I live] you wrote:

DE What do you all use to catch SPAM?

JB AntiSpamSniper - http://www.antispamsniper.com

JB I have been using it for years.

Perfect thanks. I have just reinstalled The Bat! and could not remember the 
name of the SPAM catcher I used.

I have found my instillation key for AntiSpamSniper from over 5 years ago.

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Re:Crash

[David Elliott]

Hello Gunivortus,

On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, at 20:30:37 [which was on Sunday at 19:30 where I live]
you wrote:

 where in the The Bat settings can I find my registration key?

It is in the registry.

 Reason:
 after my computer ran in terrible hardware problems, it went back to the shop
 and they tested it and replaced several hardware parts.
 Unfortunately they also destroyed the operating system (Windows 8 Pro)at
 my system disk and erased my second disk with all my data to install Linux for
 those tests.
 Acronis was unable to restore a backup from an external harddisk.
 The excuse from the company doesn't really help.

 Through a repair disk I at least have access to the application and user files
 and I already could find some reg keys, but not the one from The Bat.
 Once I've found all keys from my software, I can setup the PC from scratch

I have just had to a crash repair, and did the following

Install TB!
Restore from a backup
Install key from mail.

I have in the past also copied the full reg keys and reloaded the mail files 
into the correct place.

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Re: IMAP Worthless in TB

[David Earl]

Hi Tim,

TH Hello Tbudl,

TH   IMAP  is  worthless  and extremely buggy on TB when trying to access
TH   gamail.  The  connection  window freezes when checking google and TB
TH   freezes  as  well. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I could
TH   use POP in checking gmail.

Let me take a stab in the dark. This sounds like a problem that I had
with a POP3 account many years ago. As part of the login process, one
particular provider was sending a DNS request. Due to problems (or
fears) about ?BackOrifice?, the firewall had been set to block port 53
by default. The result looked very much like a continuous loop (TheBat
attempted to fetch email from that provider and hung).

After reading the firewall logs (and setting it to report all denied
traffic, heh-heh-heh), the solution was to open port 53 for that
provider's IP address in combination with TheBat's MD5.

I'm not sure if that helps with your problem, but hope springs
eternal.

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Re:TB 5.0 could be a Guinness world record holder

[David Elliott]

Hello CDIsxm,

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011, at 17:51:44 [which was on Sunday at 22:51 where I live]
you wrote:

 Since upgrading to TB Professional 5.0 in early December, I must say it 
 has been a disaster. 7 months later we still donot have a stable 
 version of version 5.

 ... 

 I wonder if anyoine else agrees with me on this? 

I do.

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Re:Put message in Outbox

[David Elliott]

Hello Dwight,

On Wed, 25 May 2011, at 10:33:30 [which was on Wednesday at 16:33
where I live] you wrote:

 I put the first few ones in my Outbox using the Put message in
 Outbox button.

 You should have used 'save as draft' 

 once again lack of a draft folder causes confusion 

I have been asking for tat for years!!

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Install Voyager

[David Elliott]

Hello TBUDL,

Just installing Voyager. It is asking for a registration block. The email with
that in got lost with a crash of TB! sometime ago.

How do I register Voyager?

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Re:is v.4.2.42 truncated urls in the body?

[David Elliott]

Salutation CDIsxm,

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011, at 13:54:00 [which was on Saturday at 18:54 where I live]
you wrote:

 to all who tried to help. It's a lost casue. The platform provider says its
 TB. I will just contune gettin gthe links form webmail.

Sorry IMHO they are wrong.

The URL is incorrect as it does not conform to RFC 1738. The two characters
that are not encoded but should be are [/] and [@]. They are reserved
characters and are being used out of there 'reserved character' context.


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Re:is v.4.2.42 truncated urls in the body?

[David Elliott]

Dear CDIsxm,

On Fri, 1 Apr 2011, at 10:34:02 [which was on Friday at 15:34 where I live]
you wrote:

C My incoming messages have partially truncated URLs in the body. I can
C grab the mail off the server in Horde and it not altered, but when I
C download it to TB is scrambles parts of the link. I turned off AV and it
C makes no difference.

 This is surprising, as it is a strength of TB! that URLs are not scrambled
 and broken when longer than a line. However, I haven't received a long link
 with a 4.2.x version, so something might be broken.

 If it's not a confidential link, could you post it here?

 This is what it should look like:

 http://info216259.myorderbox.com/linkhandler/servlet/ConfirmRfaServlet?rfaid=2849736type=DomTrfRegToUs∂icipant_name=AdminContact∂icipant_emailaddress=info/@cdi-sxm.comdomainname=handismart.orgresponse=ykey=598290147requestfor=DomTrfRegToUsrvid=4457'http://info216259.myorderbox.com/linkhandler/servlet/ConfirmRfaServlet?rfaid=2849736type=DomTrfRegToUs∂icipant_name=AdminContact∂icipant_emailaddress=info/@cdi-sxm.comdomainname=handismart.orgresponse=ykey=598290147requestfor=DomTrfRegToUsrvid=4457

 This is what TB receives even with AV disabled:

 http://info216259.myorderbox.com/linkhandler/servlet/ConfirmRfaServlet?rfaid=2849736type=DomTrfRegToUs?icipant_name=AdminContact?icipant_emailaddress=i...@cdi-sxm.comdomainname=handismart.orgresponse=ykey=598290147requestfor=DomTrfRegToUsrvid=4457

Confirmed however I think that the query string is not properly encoded.

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Re: Controlling the length of quoted text in replies

[David]

 
 Hi


 On Friday 25 March 2011 at 4:07:24 PM, in 
 mid:201132516724.706339@sd-e657e995c056, David wrote:


 Is there any other way to control this text please.

 http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#rewrap might help. I can't be sure 
 because you use HTML.

Thanks

I did come across that page but could not get it to work - I'll have another 
look at it

Regards,

 David 
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Controlling the length of quoted text in replies

[David]

Hallo

I have now worked my way through copying templates and am having problems with 
quoted text in 
replies. I am working in html.

My design has my address and graphics down the right hand side and my text 
alongside. Both are set 
up in a table. The problem I have is that I cannot find a way to control the 
wrap point of the 
quoted text, and so it breaks the table putting my address etc. on the left 
below the quoted and 
looks a mess. Changing the line length in preferences has no effect and cannot 
see any other setting 
there that might apply.

I am using the F4 method on selected text and have change the template that is 
called to mirror my 
format.

I tried putting the incoming to text only but that muddles their format so that 
the address and 
other details mixed in.

Is there any other way to control this text please.

 Regards,

 David 
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Re: How to copy a template

[David]

 @22-Mar-2011, 20:28  David [D] in
 mid:2011322202843.289552@sd-e657e995c056 said:

 Open the Quick Templates interface. Create a new Quick Template and paste 
 your copied
 template into the body. Create another new Quick Template for as many 
 variations as you want
 to have.


 ... snip
 D Thanks for that but I am losing you somewhere because I cannot D get it 
 to work.

 Okay - let's see if we can interact and get this going for you.

 D I am going to the template I wish to copy and make the Handle and D Name 
 the same without
 spaces (tried making them slightly D different to no avail).

 The name is irrelevant to anyone and anything but you and your visual 
 comfort. How you would like
 to see the template listed in the QT list. You can have spaces in the name 
 with no problem.

 The Handle is the technical bit that is referenced in the %QUINCLUDE macro. 
 There's certainly no
 need to make the name and handle the same or even similar.

 D Doing ctrl A (I assume that is what you mean by highlight). Then D ctrl C 
 to copy.

 Yes - that is good. Or marking with the mouse. But Ctrl+A works. And you're 
 doing this for which
 template? This should be the account template you want to copy, yes?

 D Start a new quick template and pasting the content (ctrl V).

 You pasted this into the main body area of the template, right? The larger 
 box just under the
 menu and above the Name and Handle text boxes etc.

 D At the top of this template I place %qinclude MyTemplate

 Wait. The top of which template? Not the quick template. That would make a 
 self-referential loop.
 You have to put the %qinclude call at the top of the Reply template or 
 address book entry
 template or account new message template or (shudder) the folder template.

 D Go to Preview and I get the text unformatted and at the top I get

 D Cannot find a quick template  MyTemplate

 Well, I'm lost now. I don't know where the template you started with came 
 from or where the final
 macro call ended up.

 D where am I going wrong please.

 Not entirely sure, I confess. Let me try by showing you what I use. My 
 Account default new
 message template looks like this:
 ___ 
 %qinclude(BizNew)%-
 »»» The 
 BizNew Common QT

(named
 Biz New message) looks like this:
 ___ Dear
%qinclude(ABTO),
 %qinclude(PrvPG)%- %qinclude(PrvPM)%- %Cursor
 --  I've edited this so it doesn't introduce a cut mark here 
 %qinclude(%ABTOPhone(Soft))
 %qinclude(XSig)
 »»»

 D -- -

 Hmm - not quite with the cut mark! But nearly. See mine below? It's just:
 dashdashspacereturn but, of course, it's in a template. ;)

Thanks Marck

I have read and re-read your instructions but somewhere I am missing something. 
I'll try and explain

what I am doing again.

I have constructed a template and called it My Template in the handle. The 
actual template
consists of a table with various pieces of text  logo put into the various 
cells. One cell only
(this is a cell within cell) is used for the message body.

Now if I select the whole template only the text in the cells is selected.

Now select a new QT and the text is put in unformatted left aligned.

Now where does the %qinclude My Template go?
If I put it in the original it just appears as text saying it cannot be found. 
This is putting at
the top of the main body of text and it would just refer to itself.

But similarly if I put it in the template I am creating it just shows
Cannot find a quick template  My Template ,
but the text is not formatted nor is the table created.

If I create a new QT and just put in %qinclude My Template  the same happens.

I think I am putting in the %qinclude My Template in the wrong place but have 
run out of options.

Any more guidance please?

Regards

David
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Re: How to copy a template

[David]

 Dear David,

 Please try to interleave your responses and trim to context as I have done:

Seems whatever way I post it is always wrong.

 @24-Mar-2011, 07:27  David [D] in
 mid:201132472749.470413@sd-e657e995c056 said:

 D I am going to the template I wish to copy and make the Handle D and 
 Name the same without
 spaces

 The name is irrelevant to anyone and anything but you and your visual 
 comfort. How you would
 like to see the template listed in the QT list. You can have spaces in the 
 name with no
 problem.


 The Handle is the technical bit that is referenced in the %QUINCLUDE macro.


 I was trying to point out here that a handle is best without spaces.
I asked about that and you said it made no difference


 D At the top of this template I place %qinclude MyTemplate

 As others have said you can put %qinclude=MyTemplate or 
 %qinclude(MyTemplate) but NOT
 %qinclude MyTemplate.

Now the reason for that was it was that way in an earlier post from you as below


 Now go back to the original template. If your Quick Template was
 (for example) labelled with a tag of MyQT1 then replace the
 entire template with a single line that reads:

 %qinclude MyQT1

 In this way, you can set up as many templates or bits of templates
 as you wish and pull them into a real template with the %qinclude
 macro.
~~

Ok - no worries about that. Now that I have corrected it, it works. And thanks 
to those who also 
pointed it out.

As an addendum, there is no need to copy the text across first since it is all 
copied with the 
macro, you do however need to set the new template to hmtl to get the structure 
of the table across 
and everything in the right place.

I have found that playing around with these templates that The Bat has crashed 
5 or more times over 
the last couple of days - is this usual.

Thanks Marck for your patience in sticking with this.

Regards

David
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Re: How to copy a template

[David]

 D 
 D Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
 D http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


 Suggest a simple way:

 Click inside the template contents

 Control-A to select all the content

 Control-C to Copy

 Then open any editor or word processor (Notepad, Wordpad, Word or other) and 
 Control-V to paste
 the content in it.

 Save this file for when you need to copy it back into the template.

 Good luck.


 --


 Paul

 -
  Using The
 Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3

 ...I'm at the corner of Walk and Don't Walk.


 
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Thanks for the reply.

Unfortunately I cannot get that to work. It just copies the text across but 
none of the formatting.

Regards

David


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Re: How to copy a template

[David]

 Here's the optimal way to use multiple template configurations in TB. Quick 
 Templates.

 Use highlight the template content that you want to keep and press Ctrl-C to 
 copy it to the
 clipboard.

 Open the Quick Templates interface. Create a new Quick Template and paste 
 your copied template
 into the body. Create another new Quick Template for as many variations as 
 you want to have.

 Now go back to the original template. If your Quick Template was (for 
 example) labelled with a
 tag of MyQT1 then replace the entire template with a single line that reads:

 %qinclude MyQT1

 In this way, you can set up as many templates or bits of templates as you 
 wish and pull them into
 a real template with the %qinclude macro.
-- -

Thanks for that but I am losing you somewhere because I cannot get it to work.

I am going to the template I wish to copy and make the Handle and Name the same 
without spaces 
(tried making them slightly different to no avail). Doing ctrl A (I assume that 
is what you mean by 
highlight). Then ctrl C to copy. 

Start a new quick template and pasting the content (ctrl V). At the top of this 
template I place 
%qinclude MyTemplate
Go to Preview and I get the text unformatted and at the top I get

Cannot find a quick template  MyTemplate

where am I going wrong please.

Regards David

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How to copy a template

[David]

Hallo 


I am still playing and struggling with The Bat.


I have successfully made up a template but now I want modify it whilst keeping 
the original. I have 
searched through but cannot find anyway of doing it.


Any help appreciated.

 Regards,

 David 








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Re: Creating a signature

[David]

 Cheers --  Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! 
 v5.0.0.115 on Windows 7
 6.1.7600

I note from your signature that you are currently test out version 5 of The 
Bat. Are you able to 
give some indication of when that will be released please.

--
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Re: Creating a signature

[David]

 Dear David,

 @9-Dec-2010, 09:33  David [D] in
 mid:201012993352.649...@sd-e657e995c056 said:

 Cheers --  Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! 
 v5.0.0.115 on Windows
 7 6.1.7600


 D I note from your signature that you are currently test out
 D version 5 of The Bat. Are you able to
 D give some indication of when that will be released please.

 The usual pattern is for RITlabs to release an Xmas edition just
 before the 25th. This year may be different since V5 is based on a
 completely rewritten code-set, with the particular aim of much
 better IMAP support. The result is a Bat with a lot of new bugs,
 which RITlabs will work very hard to clear up before the 25th, but
 some of these have persisted from the Alpha version.

 So usually, I would say it categorically - by the 25th. This year,
 I'm not so certain. Sorry to be so vague, but there have been
 several times in the long Bat history (I've been a user for 12+
 years) that RITlabs have forced a version out because of a deadline
 date and not becuase software testing was complete and bugs were
 cleared. This has caused a lot of discontent and, these days, they
 are more keen on making a release when a decent level of stability
 has been acheived.

Thanks Marck for the update. Having been involved in beta testing I know of the 
pressures on both 
sides - one to get it right and the other to develop the income stream.

I think I will bide my time till 5 is out before parting with my cash. 

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Re: Creating a template to replicate the company letter heading

[David]

Thanks - got that

I am now having problems with the table design. Because of the design I am 
creating individual 
tables 1 row x 2 columns. That mostly allows me to treat the tables 
differently. However on the 
centre table that has the address and other details on the right column and the 
message area on the 
left. I want to just have a border on this cell alone but it seems it is not 
possible to do this. 
Tried putting single cell table side by side but they go on separate lines.

Any ideas please

 Regards,

 David 



 Thanks Rick

 I think I am finding my through it - maybe

 Found out that if you set the QT to html then you can insert a graphic and 
 right set it. I was
 trying to paste it before.

 Then inserted a table (2 unequal columns) so that I could put the company 
 details in the right
 column. I then have the left column for the text entry setting the text 
 start at the top. That
 part
 will then automatically expand when you type. I sent an email to myself and 
 it seems to work.

 That is as far as I have got. Haven't yet discovered if you can make the 
 column borders
 invisible.


 Right click the table and choose table properties, then set the border AND  
 the  cell  border  to
 0.  It  will be a light gray for editing purposes.


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Creating a signature

[David]

In my current email I am used to just right clicking and selecting a signature. 
TB is so 
complicated. I have searched through the list and cannot find anything that 
makes sense to me.

So far I have created a QT with just my signature but cannot work out how to 
relate it to the 
message template.

Hope you can help

 Regards,

 David 




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Re: Creating a signature

[David]

 Dear David,

 @8-Dec-2010, 16:07  David [D] in
 mid:201012816754.513...@sd-e657e995c056 said:

 D So far I have created a QT with just my signature but cannot work D out 
 how to relate it to
 the message template.

 Add this: %qinclude('QTSigHandle')
 to your message template where QTSigHandle is the handle you gave to your 
 quick template
 signature.

 Quick templates can also be invoked while editing by typing the handle 
 followed by Ctrl+Space.
 Using the %issignature tag in a Quick Template makes the QT invocation 
 replace any current
 signature with the newly invoked one while the cursor remains in place for 
 continued editing.

Thanks for that. I could not find %qinclude anywhere in the drop down lists.


 One word though, and here the moderator hat gets put on... you're not using a 
 cut mark to
 delineate your signature and without that, the %issignature macro doesn't 
 work.

 A cut mark looks like this: dashdashspacereturn You'll see one of 
 these above everybody's
 (well, most) signatures on this list. Mostly because it works and partly 
 because it's list rules
 ;-).

Probably because I am still using Poco. Don't know yet how the advantages out 
weigh the ease of use 
of Poco. Will put them in anyway.

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Changing individual table cells border

[David]

In my floundering around to create a template I needed to use a table in which 
one cell only had a 
border. Could not find anyway it could be done and searching the list did not 
help.

This is probably old news, but I discovered you could insert a table within a 
cell to create that 
effect. 
Hope this might help someone.

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Creating a template to replicate the company letter heading

[David]

I currently have a trial version of TB 4.2.36.4 which I am changing to 
(perhaps) from Pocomail. I 
have copied all the essentials across but cannot work out how to create a 
template similar to our 
letter heading. The office uses Outlook which I don't wish to do.


It consists of an image (logo) at the top and details down the right hand side. 
At the moment I 
cannot even see how to insert an image let alone the rest. From searching 
through this list it would 
seem not to be possible but would appreciate some advice in case I have missed 
something.


Is it possible to import a template from Outlook?

 Regards,

 David 






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Re: Creating a template to replicate the company letter heading

[David]

Thanks Rick

I think I am finding my through it - maybe

Found out that if you set the QT to html then you can insert a graphic and 
right set it. I was 
trying to paste it before.

Then inserted a table (2 unequal columns) so that I could put the company 
details in the right 
column. I then have the left column for the text entry setting the text start 
at the top. That part 
will then automatically expand when you type. I sent an email to myself and it 
seems to work.

That is as far as I have got. Haven't yet discovered if you can make the column 
borders invisible.

 Regards,

 David 



 I currently have a trial version of TB 4.2.36.4 which I am changing to 
 (perhaps) from Pocomail.
 I have copied all the essentials across but cannot work out how to create a 
 template similar to
 our letter heading. The office uses Outlook which I don't wish to do.


 It consists of an image (logo) at the top and details down the right hand 
 side. At the moment I
 cannot even see how to insert an image let alone the rest. From searching 
 through this list it
 would
 seem not to be possible but would appreciate some advice in case I have 
 missed something.


 Is it possible to import a template from Outlook?

 Can't import a template but you CAN make one.
 First  decide where you want to create it your choices are and address
 book  entry,  an address book GROUP entry, a folder (careful with that
 one), or an account.
 In  the  address  books there are tabs for the different templates, in
 the accounts and folders they are under Properties

 The  FIRST  thing you will do is change the message (template) type to
 HTML. THEN the icons will appear to bold, highlight, add a picture (it
 links, so keep it in a permanent place)

 One  BUG in the program - if you use any of the items in the HTML menu
 drop  down,  you  can't  use  another without leaving the template and
 coming back.

 Let us know how you make out! :)


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Re:Automatic backups

[David Elliott]

Hi Jack,

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010, at 11:20:24 [which was on Saturday at 17:20 where I
live] you wrote:

DC A  way  to  have TB!  manage several backups would be good.  Give
DC it a base  filename  and  then let it name them name-date and an
DC option for how  many  to  maintain  so  that it deletes the oldest
DC one(s) once it makes a new backup and reaches that point.

 Exactly!

I did use to have regEx for the automated backup that contained the day of the
week. This way I would only have 7 backups, and for some reason it would just
write over on old backup. (Not sure of my settings)

I would like to find the regEx again as I have recently moved TB! to a new
computer.

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Re:Automatic backups

[David Elliott]

Hi Jack,

On Sun, 25 Jul 2010, at 07:29:47 [which was on Sunday at 13:29 where I live]
you wrote:

DC Give it a base filename and then let it name them name-date

RO Well, that exactly what TB is doing for me.

 ... 

 I found an old email on this subject, written by me coincidentally, which
 seems to indicate that the macro:
 autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk

That looks like the one I was using before I moved TB! to another machine.

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David
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Re: Automatic backups

[David Calvarese]

Hello Jack on TBUDL,

Saturday, July 24, 2010, 9:27:14 AM, you wrote:

 On Saturday, July 24, 2010 you wrote:

m I can do a normal full backup whenever I like, using The Bat 
tools/backup/standard method manually.  Scheduled (automatic) full backups fail 
to work after the first one, however, apparently because the filename is 
already taken.

m Sorry if my original post wasn't clear.

 No problem.  What you describe is exactly why I started this thread
 in the first place. Apparently TB! will refuse to overwrite the
 previous backup because the filename has already been used.  I don't
 need/want my external backup drive filling up with full backups with 
 different filenames.

 I suppose one might be able to use TASK SCHEDULER to execute a
 batch file which would delete the previous backup prior to TB! doing a 
 scheduled full backup.

 Actually, you could make the argument that it's risky *NOT* to have
 previous backups in case something in TB! went hinky and you've just
 erased the previous GOOD backup and replaced it with a corrupt backup.

 I dunno.  Maybe we're not looking at this with eyes wide open.


A  way  to  have TB!  manage several backups would be good.  Give it a
base  filename  and  then let it name them name-date and an option for
how  many  to  maintain  so  that it deletes the oldest one(s) once it
makes a new backup and reaches that point.

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Re:TBUDL - Test please ignore :)

[David Elliott]

Hola Greg,

Historians believe that on 28 November 2009 , at 15:18:04[GMT -0600](which
was 21:18 where I live) you wrote:

GS I'm just running a test, so please ignore.  :)

 Since the current release is v4.2.12.4 as a FYI the list mail footer
 is incorrect:

User 'ability to follow instructions' test failed

:)

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Views

[David Elliott]

Hello All,

I have been using TB! for years.

But now it has just stumped me.

This is a fresh install on a fresh install of Server 2003.

I have used the old mail directories as all my backups were corrupt. (I have
never successfully restored TB! from backups as I think they should be but
that is a different story)

I have the main window set to full height account tree. The pain in the top
right show the messages sorted by reference + subject.

I want to sort them by Received (Up arrow) followed by Created (Up arrow). I
can set this for a folder. I can not save it when I move out of the folder it
looses it.

How do I save it.

I have tried to save save view mode to but this does not work.

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Re:Voyager

[David Elliott]

Hi Tom,

Historians believe that on 16 November 2008 , at 08:33:39[GMT +1100](which
was 21:33 where I live) you wrote:

 - upgrade to Pro includes Voyager 
 - Voyager: flash drive, USB stick
 - on any computer, including your laptop :)
 - if you want to send messages elsewhere, from another IP address, through
 your own ISP, be sure to verify that your ISP's authorization method is
 'POP before SMTP'  
 - before and after travel synchronize desktop/stick  

 excellent - seems exactly what I need.
 When you install/set-up Voyager, is there any way to export your
 current set-up with respect to accounts and templates?

Well I am just about to do it as well so pointers would be useful.

What I am planning on doing is.

Backup existing accounts folders, well everything really.

Restore from this backup to Voyager.

Change the accounts to IMAP or leave messages on the server.

Hopefully that should be it.

 Also, does it come with some inbuilt synchronize function or plug-in?

Don't know. I would like to think so.

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Re:Out of office notice

[David Elliott]

Hello Leonard,

Historians believe that on 04 November 2008 , at 17:28:35[GMT -0500](which
was 22:28 where I live) you wrote:

 Is is possible to set an automatic out-of-office response? If so, how?
 I have searched through the topics in Help and did not find anything.
 If this feature is available, is it also possible to:

 1. have this automatic out-of-office response be sent only to
 individuals and not to a list like TBUDL. I would not want to burden
 the list with multiple out-of-office notices. (Yes, I aware that I can
 inhibit the delivery of mail altogether.)

 2. If I can sent this out-of-office response only to individuals, is
 there some way to send this only in reponse to the first e-mail from
 that person and not subsequent e-mail?

 Well I am sure you could use to do it. The bit that I can not see is
 matching an address to an address book in the sorting office / filters.

 Thanks, but it is not clear which question you are answering. I really
 need to know how to set up out-of-office reply, plain and simple. The
 other two questions were secondary.

Sorry it seamed unclear. The only bit of the chain needed to create what you
want that I could not see is the bit where you activate a filter depending
on if an address was in part of the address book. If I could see that then I
would have given you a step by step.

I am sure that you could use to do it, I think that I must be looking in the
wrong place.

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Re:Out of office notice

[David Elliott]

Hola Leonard,

Historians believe that on 04 November 2008 , at 15:19:42[GMT -0500](which
was 20:19 where I live) you wrote:

 Is is possible to set an automatic out-of-office response? If so, how?
 I have searched through the topics in Help and did not find anything.
 If this feature is available, is it also possible to:

 1. have this automatic out-of-office response be sent only to
 individuals and not to a list like TBUDL. I would not want to burden
 the list with multiple out-of-office notices. (Yes, I aware that I can
 inhibit the delivery of mail altogether.)

 2. If I can sent this out-of-office response only to individuals, is
 there some way to send this only in reponse to the first e-mail from
 that person and not subsequent e-mail?

Well I am sure you could use to do it. The bit that I can not see is
matching an address to an address book in the sorting office / filters.

I know this is not helpful but it is good

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7702913.stm


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Re:Sent mail going to Inbox instead of Sent folder...

[David Elliott]

Hi Teresa,

Historians believe that on 24 October 2008 , at 13:37:47[GMT -0700
(PDT)](which was 21:37 where I live) you wrote:

 I checked and there's nothing there. It's a gmail account, so I imagine
 the problem is on that end.

That is your problem. Gmail is not a normal POP / SMTP service.

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[no subject]

[David Embrey]

Hello tbudl,

  For many years I have shared TheBat across several computers on a
  small domestic network by installing a separate copy on each
  computer. I then set up appropriate accounts on each machine for all
  of the users who wanted to see each other users' email traffic in
  addition to their own. The home directory for all of the accounts
  accounts is a shared MAIL directory on one machine on the network.
  Having upgraded to Version 4, I installed this on one of the
  machines and found to my dismay that after using the new system in
  an experimental mode, the directories became horribly corrupted.
  This was only fixed by copying back the corrupted files from a
  backup. Is this problem due to an enhanced security feature in
  version 4? If so, is there any way of setting up the system using
  Version 4 to give me the same type of functionality that I enjoyed
  previously? The machines run on Vista SP1.
  

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Tree disappearing in Folder Tree

[David Elliott]

Hello TBUDL,

Next problem with the Folder tree.

I can get all my accounts to disappear off the left hand side.

If I have the Folder tree with both scroll bars showing and I navigate with
the left cursor back up through the tree when I get to the account and then
press the left cursor everything disappears of the frame to the left.


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Refilter Messages

[David Elliott]

Hello Tbudl,

I am sure I could do this before but I have forgotten how.

I always move my messages from one account back to the inbox.

Now I am sure I could use to get these re-filtered by my inbox filters.

How do I do that?

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Re: Tree disappearing in Folder Tree

[David Elliott]

Hello Peter,

Friday, March 14, 2008, 6:51:56 PM, you wrote:

DE Next problem with the Folder tree.

DE I can get all my accounts to disappear off the left hand side.

 Great, but why would you want to that?

I don't. It is something that should not happen.

DE If I have the Folder tree with both scroll bars showing and I navigate
DE with the left cursor back up through the tree when I get to the account
DE and then press the left cursor everything disappears of the frame to
DE the left.

 Sure, the computer does what you tell it. If you need to reset the Folder
 Tree back to visible, it is most probably some key in
 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! that you can reset to a positive
 value.

But I did not tell it to disappear. and I don't need to do that. What you
have to do is use the scroll bar at the bottom.



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Re: Refilter Messages

[David Elliott]

Hello Volker,

Friday, March 14, 2008, 9:08:57 PM, you wrote:

 Now I am sure I could use to get these re-filtered by my inbox
 filters.

 How do I do that?

 Rightclick the inbox - Re-filter or click the inbox - [ctrl]+[f]

 Is it that what you want?

Automatically ?

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Re[2]: Fix the size of the name column in Folder Tree

[David Elliott]

Hello MFPA,

Thursday, March 13, 2008, 12:01:30 AM, you wrote:

 The problem as I see it is that the first column width is not fixed but
 will vary depending on how far into a tree you are in.

 Have you tried Options | Preferences | Messages | Limit expansion
 of the first column to _ levels?

No. but I have now.

Just perfect. I knew it was somewhere but could not find it.

Thanks.

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Re[2]: Fix the size of the name column in Folder Tree

[David Elliott]

Hello Volker,

Thursday, March 13, 2008, 1:26:07 PM, you wrote:

 Have you tried Options | Preferences | Messages | Limit expansion
 of the first column to _ levels?

 No. but I have now.

 Just perfect. I knew it was somewhere but could not find it.

 You learn something everyday. I always thought (and believed) that
 setting was ONLY for the first column of the Message List Pane, and
 not for the folder tree pane.

 Hmmm, I justed tested and found out that this setting *only* effects
 the message list, the folder tree is untouched by this setting. This
 seems to be correct (aka WAD), because the setting is called
 Options|Preferences|Messages and not Options|Preferences|Columns.

 So, I really do not know, how this setting fixed David's problem.

Sorry I thought it had but I was wrong.

:(



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Re[2]: Fix the size of the name column in Folder Tree

[David Elliott]

Hello MAU,

Wednesday, March 12, 2008, 7:18:03 PM, you wrote:

 How do I fix the size of the name column in Folder Tree.

 You can either place the mouse cursor on the line that divides the Name 
 column and the one to its right and then drag this line to the desired 
 size, or you can right click on column names (labels) and select width 
 there.

Yep I can do that, well both.

 As I go up and down the folder tree it expands and I thought that I
 could switch this behaviour off

 I have actually never seen the behaviour you describe, I set my column 
 widths years ago and they never change unless I do it as described 
 above.

That is the point I am a big key board used and don't use the mouse. When I
the cursor keys to move up and down the tree it gets really annoying that
the other columns disappear off the right.

P.S. Have you tried moving the column order. I have put unread first and it
looks weird with the tree having the unread numbers of unread.

The problem as I see it is that the first column width is not fixed but
will vary depending on how far into a tree you are in.

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Fix the size of the name column in Folder Tree

[David Elliott]

Hello TBUDL,

How do I fix the size of the name column in Folder Tree.

As I go up and down the folder tree it expands and I thought that I could
switch this behaviour off

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replyto and reply to all greyed out

[David Elliott]

Hello Tbudl,

What have I done?

I have TB set as message tree set full height.

When a message is highlighted in the message list then the reply and reply
to all buttons are greyed out.

I don't know what I have changed.

I am sure I use to be able to select the buttons when all I was doing was
previewing. Now I have to click on the message and open it up, then hit the
reply button.

P.S. I am using the latest beta but I don't know if that is the problem.

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Re[2]: replyto and reply to all greyed out

[David Elliott]

Hello Rick,

Tuesday, March 4, 2008, 9:26:38 PM, you wrote:

 When a message is highlighted in the message list then the reply and reply
 to all buttons are greyed out.

 Try right clicking / customize / standard (toolbar) and change the
 icon size to menu icons and see if that fixes it (then change it back)

 If that doesn't do it, shut down the bat then go into your email
 folder and rename tbuder.def to something else and restart the bat
 and see if THAT fixes it

 If not, ask in the beta group as a small number of people had issues
 with the icons.

The 'switch it off and switch it on again' worked.


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Re: gMail and this list (May be OT)

[David Elliott]

Hello Dwight,

Monday, March 3, 2008, 3:29:02 AM, you wrote:

 Was there something incorrect in what I told him?

No.

 I don't know. My response was to his question. I probably hadn't even seen
 your response when I responded.

I had but I thought I would sit back and see when you two would run out of
steam.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

 the conversation was about the fact that it was a known fact the message
 would never hit the inbox, but whether a pop connection would be able to
 collect it anyway.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

This was correct, but so was this as well but the above was closer to the
meaning of what I had sent.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

 Excuse me sir, the person asked why he wasn't getting his email back
 when sent to a mailing list from a gmail address

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

The result is that gmail will hide any of your posting to a list it you
send it though there SMTP gateway with the credentials of the from address.

It places all your sent mail into your sent box and will filter out the
return message from the list back to you.

The way to get around it is either.

1) Create a Sent filter which copiees the message back in to your inbox (or
where ever you keep the list messages.

or

2) Use a different SMTP service.

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Re: Back to TB

[David Elliott]

Hello Mark,

Saturday, March 1, 2008, 8:12:04 AM, you wrote:

 ... 

 If you're willing to trade an n for an m this would be my advise:

 http://www.antispamsniper.com/

 I use the Pro- but there's a freeware version too.

If it is any good I don't mind paying the $19.95 for it.

I will give it a go.

/me note to self

Must get my templates sorted.


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gMail and this list (May be OT)

[David Elliott]

Hello Tbudl,

This may be OT, but it is to do with this (and other) list/s.

I am using gMail via POP3  SMPT and I am not see my own e-mail being
returned to this list. I think that it is a property of gMail as I can
see it in sent items in the web interface.

I know that gMail will not show your email in the inbox if you sent
it to a list. I was hoping that would not apply to POP3 and SMTP.

I have looked at the filter in gMail but can not see one to override
this behaviour.

I could set up filters for my out box but I don't really want to
have to do that.

My other option is to use a different SMTP server to sent it out.
Which I might end up to doing.


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Re[2]: gMail and this list (May be OT)

[David Elliott]

Hello Rick,

Saturday, March 1, 2008, 8:44:34 PM, you wrote:

 ... 

 I am using gMail via POP3  SMPT and I am not see my own e-mail being
 returned to this list. I think that it is a property of gMail as I can
 see it in sent items in the web interface.

 I know that gMail will not show your email in the inbox if you sent
 it to a list. I was hoping that would not apply to POP3 and SMTP.

 ... 

 I have never seen gmail return my mail to me on any group; Listman
 like this one, yahoo groups etc.

 That's just the way it works and I never found a way around that
 other than ccing myself or another account. 

Thought so.

This is using a different SMTP server so we will see.

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Re: gMail and this list (May be OT)

[David Elliott]

Hello David,

Saturday, March 1, 2008, 9:06:45 PM, you wrote:

 I am using gMail via POP3  SMPT and I am not see my own e-mail being
 returned to this list. I think that it is a property of gMail as I can
 see it in sent items in the web interface.

 I have never seen gmail return my mail to me on any group; Listman
 like this one, yahoo groups etc.

 That's just the way it works and I never found a way around that
 other than ccing myself or another account. 

 Thought so.

 This is using a different SMTP server so we will see.

And this worked.

I have access to more than one SMTP server.So I used another one.

:)




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Back to TB

[David Elliott]

Hello All,

Just come back to TB after missing it for almost a year.

I use to be a beta tester and will be signing back on.

This is what I am after.

1) A GNUPG or PGP that will also do a secure disk. I use to use CKTPGP
(I think that us what is what it was called)

2) I use AVG so it would be nice to use this anti virus plug in. Is
there still one about ?

3) Anti Span. OK what is out there.

And to Marck

Hi.
Please get your pages at http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php
sorted out.

:)  

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Address Book Groups Sorting Office

[David Earl]

Hi All,

Which to use: matches any, contains any, something else?

Not sure which is best, to achieve the following goal:

I've got an address book group Customer. I'd like to move all
email from anyone in that group to a folder. I'm hoping that I can
use:

Sender contains any Customer/Recipient contains any Customer

or something like that, and then move any incoming or sent messages to
\\Account\Inbox\Customer. That's the idea, anyway.

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Re[2]: Address Book Groups Sorting Office

[David Earl]

Hi Roelof,

RO Hallo David,

RO On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:44:27 +0100GMT (21-1-2007, 9:44 +0100, where I
RO live), you wrote:

DE I've got an address book group Customer. I'd like to move all
DE email from anyone in that group to a folder. I'm hoping that I can
DE use:

DE Sender contains any Customer/Recipient contains any Customer

RO Wrong condition. Use this:
RO Address groups - Customer - contain - Sender

;) I knew there was something wrong with that condition. Also, it
needed the address group _handle_, not the name. Let's say Cst
instead of Customer.

Address groups - Cst - contain - all recipients

seems to work for the Sent messages rule.

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Re: html email double spaced at gmail

[David Pascoe]

On Thursday, 2 November 2006, at 00:22:35 [GMT +] you wrote:

 It seems that if I forward or originate a HTML email in TB! it will always
 get double spaced when viewed at gmail.

 Any ideas ? plain text email is fine.

BA Only on gmail? What does your template look like?

I'm actually having trouble reproducing it now - I'm guessing that the
HTML emails that TB! are producing are being detected as spam by the ISP
(uses brightmail outgoing as well). So I'm trying to prove who is
misbehaving by using email accounts at fastmail.fm, hotmail.com, yahoo.com
and my office. So far only text email makes it through:(

So whilst I know there is something strange about html email spacing I
obviously don't need it for now as I can't send anyway ...

cheers,
davidp.   
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html email double spaced at gmail

[David Pascoe]

It seems that if I forward or originate a HTML email in TB! it will always
get double spaced when viewed at gmail.

Any ideas ? plain text email is fine.


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Re[3]: Reply to problem

[David Embrey]

 Hello Thomas,

 Friday, October 13, 2006, 2:43:12 AM, you wrote:

GS Thanks, but only one entry for this contact and no reply templates
GS defined.

 When you reply, is the a spelling mistake in his address?

 No, I have checked this

 Just guessing: Maybe he has a spelling mistake in his Reply-To header,
 which TB uses. His other correspondents may be using the From header.

 How do I view the Reply to header? I have right clicked on the header
 and selected the Reply to option  in the headers menu, but it isn't
 showing up.

For your information I have exactly the same problem when sending
emails to a client in Australia.  All replies disappear into the
ether.  Sending standalone emails seems to work.  I have asked their
IT people to look into their firewall, spam filters etc. but to no
avail.  This only happens with this one email address.
I have started to send faxes to back up emails as a last
resort!

One suggestion: Have you tried to send replies to this address from
another email client  e.g. a web based client such as Yahoo, Gmail
etc? If this works it's either a Bat or a server issue.




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Re: Reply to problem

[David Calvarese]

On Friday, October 13, 2006, 3:24:35 PM, Arjan de Groot on TBUDL wrote:

Its configurable, so what. Maybe it should be off by default though.

 That doesn't make it any less superfluous or stupid.

I never have understood why we had that option to begin with.  That's
always one of the first things I do on setting up an account, turn off
reply numbering.


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Re: Template Question

[David Calvarese]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 9:22:32 PM, Thomas Fernandez on TBUDL wrote:

 On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:43:28 -0400 GMT (12/10/2006, 01:43 +0700 GMT),
 David Calvarese wrote:

DC Thanks, but that still isn't pulling out the Group Links portion, like
DC this:

DC Yahoo! Groups Links
 [...]

 Actually, I don't have a regex that cuts this off, and it doesn't
 show in the replies either (unless someone forgets their cutmark). Why
 do you need that regex? (Just out of curiosity.)


I'm on several Yahoo groups and having to either manually select what
I want to quote in my reply or cut it out afterwards...  on every
reply going to a Yahoo group.

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Re: Template Question

[David Calvarese]

On Thursday, October 12, 2006, 11:33:18 AM, Thomas Fernandez on TBUDL wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:01:56 -0400 GMT (12/10/2006, 19:01 +0700 GMT),
 David Calvarese wrote:

 Actually, I don't have a regex that cuts this off, and it doesn't
 show in the replies either (unless someone forgets their cutmark). Why
 do you need that regex? (Just out of curiosity.)

DC I'm on several Yahoo groups and having to either manually select what
DC I want to quote in my reply or cut it out afterwards...  on every
DC reply going to a Yahoo group.

 OIC. The groups I subscribe to all enforce the use of the cutmark, but
 I can imagine what you are talking about.

This can't possibly be that hard of a thing to do...  Unfortunately,
it's beyond what I can do with regex at this point.

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Template Question

[David Calvarese]

Hello TBUDL,


I have a bit of a problem  I'm using the reply macro from the regex macro
collection that is supposed to remote all the Yahoo groups information
when I reply to a message, but it's leaving all that stuff in the
message.  Can anyone help me with a better macro to clean out all the
ads, PGP signatures, ect. from messages I'm replying too?

Here's the Macro I'm using to clean it up at the moment.

,- [ Macro from Regex Macro Collection ]
| %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
| SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
| -*?\s*?--\s*\n|%-
| _{40,}\s*\n|%-
| \n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
| -+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
| \n+Get your FREE download|%-
| \z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=4
`-

I've also tried this one from the Macro and QT repository with no
luck.

,- [ Macro from Macro and QT repository ]
| %QUOTES='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)%-
| ((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?%-
| (\s*(Dear|Hi|Hello|Hey|Greetings|Howdy) \S*?\s*\n+)?%-
| (-+[\S ]+\n)?%-
| (.*?)(^(%-
| - -*?\s*?--\s*\n|%-
| _{40,}\s*\n|%-
| -{40,}\s*\n|%-
| \n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
| --+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
| \n\nYour use of|%-
| \n+Get your FREE download|%-
| \nNote that the email address of the sender has been changed|%-
| \n---\nOutgoing mail is certified Virus Free.|%-
| \z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=7'
| 
`-


And here's the new Yahoo Groups information

,- [ Yahoo Groups ]
| Yahoo! Groups Links
| 
| * To visit your group on the web, go to:
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_hollows/
| 
| * Your email settings:
| Individual Email | Traditional
| 
| * To change settings online go to:
| http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_hollows/join
| (Yahoo! ID required)
| 
| * To change settings via email:
| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
| http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
|  
`-


I'd really appreciate any help anyone can give me.


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TB and Exchange

[David Elliott]

Hi All

Trying to use TB with Exchange.

Looking at an Exchange server with MAPI I have a number of problems,
but the main one is I can not get the Reply to work for internal mail
recipients.

A message header looks like this.

-- 8 --
Subject: Cross references for PMDWeb
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Tom Edwards /O=ORGNAME/OU=FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE
GROUP/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=TOM
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:09:12 +0100
To: David Elliott /O=ORGNAME/OU=FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE
GROUP/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=David.elliot
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary=--7E18D1A92522807F
-- 8 --

I have a rule set up that will add all addresses to  my address book

-- 8 --
 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [F23718DF.01C6EC7E.098D885D.5D0421D5]
Name: GetAddres
Filter: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AddToAddressBook From Reply-To TO CC BCC
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter
-- 8 --

It grabbed Tom's email to look like

-- 8 --
$$$ LDIF Clipboard format $$$
dn: cn=tom edwards,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cn: tom edwards
mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
modifyTimeStamp: 20061010T151929Z
givenName: Tom
sn: Edwards
xbatTemplateOptions: -
xbatFavourite:
objectclass: top
objectclass: person
-- 8 --

Which is strange because no where in the origional email is orgname.ltd.uk

So when I hit reply I get.

-- 8 --
Tom Edwards /O=ORGNAME/OU=FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE GROUP/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=TOM
-- 8 --

Which I can sort of see because that was in the email.
However I need [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the to address, because exchange
will not accept it.

So I need to set up something (QT/rule) that will change all recipients
so that the above line becomes

Tom Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] from either the address book or from
the original eMail.

Just fro info the following are found in the
-- 8 --
%FROMNAME ..:- Tom Edwards
%FROMFNAME .:- Tom
%FROMLNAME .:- Edwards
%REPLYNAME .:-
%REPLYFNAME :-
%REPLYLNAME :-
%FROMADDR ..:- /O=ORGNAME/OU=FIRSTADMINISTRATIVEGROUP/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=TOM
%REPLYADDR .:-
%OFROMNAME .:- Tom Edwards
%OFROMFNAME :- Tom
%OFROMLNAME :- Edwards
%OREPLYNAME :-
%OREPLYFNAME ...:-
%OREPLYLNAME ...:-
%OFROMADDR .:- /O=ORGNAME/OU=FIRSTADMINISTRATIVEGROUP/CN=RECIPIENTS/CN=TOM
%OREPLYADDR :-
-- 8 --

--
Bye,
 David Elliott
Oh! To be an Interface Cowboy in Hyperspace.!!!
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Re: Template Question

[David Calvarese]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 1:44:13 PM, Mica Mijatovic on TBUDL wrote:

 ***^\ ._)~~
  ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 11 Oct 2006,
@  @  at 09:13:47 -0400, when David Calvarese wrote:

 I have a bit of a problem  I'm using the reply macro from the regex macro
 collection that is supposed to remote all the Yahoo groups information
 when I reply to a message, but it's leaving all that stuff in the
 message.  Can anyone help me with a better macro to clean out all the
 ads, PGP signatures, ect. from messages I'm replying too?

 Try this one (those are just two longish lines)...

 %SETPATTREGEXP=(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%HEADERSWas%SUBPATT=2,
 at %SUBPATT=3%SUBPATT=4, when %TONAME wrote:

 %quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(\n*-BEGIN PGP
 %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%--
 -BEGIN PGP
 SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3%-%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3

That didn't seem to work either.

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Re: Template Question

[David Calvarese]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 2:34:24 PM, Mary Bull on TBUDL wrote:

 Hello David!

 On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 8:13 AM, you wrote:

 Can anyone help me with a better macro to clean out all the
 ads, PGP signatures, ect. from messages I'm replying too?

 Here's mine. Works like a charm for me.

 Be sure to put David in the sig where I have Mary.
 Begin copy-and-paste:
 

 Hello %OFRomFName!

 On %ODate, %OTime, you wrote:

 %quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%-
 (Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%-
 -BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)%-
 %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3

 --
 Best regards,
 Mary
 
 end copy-and-paste


Thanks, but that still isn't pulling out the Group Links portion, like
this:

Yahoo! Groups Links

* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fictionwise/

* Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional

* To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fictionwise/join
(Yahoo! ID required)

* To change settings via email:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


That's what I can't seem to get rid of.  Other than that, your
%quotes seems to work fine for me.


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Re: Template Question

[David Calvarese]

On Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 3:45:15 PM, Marck D Pearlstone on TBUDL wrote:

 Although my own personal version looks more like this:

 ,--/  \--
 %QUOTES='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)%-
 ((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?%-
 (\s*)?%-
 ((Dear|Hi|Hello|Hey|Greetings|Howdy).{0,20}\n+)?%-
 (-+[\S ]+\n+)?%-
 %-
 %-
 (.*)\n+%-
 %-
 %-
 ^(%-
 - --\s*\n|%-
 --\s*\n|%-
 _{40,}\s*\n|%-
 Yahoo! Groups Links\n|%-
 [\s\*]*EDIT YOUR POSTINGS[!\*\s]+\n|%-
 -+ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -+~--\n|%-
 \s*Kind regards,?\n|%-
 \s*Love,?\n|%-
 \s*Regards,?\n|%-
 \s*Cheers,?\n|%-
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
 Your use of|%-
 Get your FREE download|%-
 ---\nOutgoing mail is certified Virus Free.|%-
 \z)?%-
 %REGEXPBLINDMATCH(%TEXT)%-
 %SUBPATT(8)'%-
 `--\ End /--


This is driving me nuts.  By looking at this version, it should work,
at least pulling out the Yahoo! Groups Links line, but it isn't.  And
I can't figure out why.  Right now, I have this set in a template
called REQ and my mail template itself is as follows

---
%Qinclude='NoLW'

%Qinclude='REQ'

-- 
%FromFName 
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%Qinclude='subclean'
%Qinclude='TNoL'
%SetHeader('X-Rogue',':Dave_Calvarese:')%
%SetHeader(User-agent,TB/%THEBATVERSION (by RITlabs))%-


NoLW just does the On date Person on Mailing List wrote line.
and TNoL does the to line as Name on List.  subclean cleans up the
subject line.


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Re[2]: Template Question

[David Calvarese]

Hello Mica,

Wednesday, October 11, 2006, 3:10:07 PM, you wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA256

***^\ ._)~~
  ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Wed, 11 Oct 2006,
@  @  at 14:11:54 -0400, when David Calvarese wrote:

 That didn't seem to work either.

 Then it is something else, not the template.


Well, I'm open to suggestions what to look for then.

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 David



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Re[2]: Default outbox for common folders?

[David Earl]

Hi Thomas,

TF Hello David,

TF On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:15:16 +0200 GMT (25/09/2006, 20:15 +0700 GMT),
TF David Earl wrote:

DE Is there a way to determine the default outbox/account for Common
DE Folders? The Reply header info is correctly set, however, the eMail
DE consistently lands in the outbox of the first account created for
DE TheBat.

TF Common Folders are not associated with any account. You need to use the
TF %Account= macro in the reply template, otherwise the first account in
TF the list (according to the registry) will be used.

TF You can use a regex to set the %Account= macro in the Common Folder's
TF reply template, depending on %OTo or %ReplyTo. Alas, I am not fluent
TF in regex, so somebody else might chip in.

The %Account tip was the missing the link. Thanks for the help!!

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Default outbox for common folders?

[David Earl]

Hi All,

Is there a way to determine the default outbox/account for Common
Folders? The Reply header info is correctly set, however, the eMail
consistently lands in the outbox of the first account created for
TheBat.

Details:
The tree looks like
@///GMX
Inbox
Outbox
@///Strato
Inbox
Outbox
 ///CommonFolder
Sub-Folder1

Sorting office correctly sorts the eMail into Sub-Folder1. I write a
reply, and the Reply-To  From header fields are set to the info for
the Strato account, however, the Reply lands in ///GMX/Outbox. For
some reason ;, GMX doesn't want to let the eMail go through and I
have to manually move the reply over to ///Strato/Outbox to send it.

I'm thinking that I've missed a setting somewhere, but perhaps I have
to re-arrange my folders or create an outgoing rule to filter the
reply over to the ///Strato/Outbox.

-- 
TIA,
David
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Re: Lists that don't overwrite the Reply-To header

[David Earl]

Hi Chris,

CW Is there some functionality of The Bat! that will help me when it
CW comes to mailing lists that don't replace the reply-to header with the
CW list's address?

CW Is there some sort of options that can be toggled or a template that
CW can be used.

CW If I remember correctly, pine (a CLI-based IMAP client) would ask me
CW whether I wanted to reply to the sender or the list.

One thing I've done is to include the Reply-To: field in the headers,
so that I can edit it when creating a reply. I set this by
right-clicking in the headers area. That shows a context menu, listing
the various headers with a check mark for what should be visible.
That's so manual, I doubt it's what you're looking for 8/

I'm uncertain if this helps, since its more focused on
ListServs/groups than mailing lists.? Things which can be separated by
filters.

I've created a folder called ListServs. I think its a Common Folder;
its at the same hierarchy level as the Inboxes, not under them. Then,
I have folders under ListServs for each group and filters, which sort
the messages into those folders, right? So I've got like:

\\\ListServs
\\\ListServs\TheBat
\\\ListServs\EurForum
etc.

Each of those folders has their own Properties dialog, with an
Identity tab. And that's the trick I'm using. I set the Reply-To info
for the folder/ListServ/Group from the Identities tab on a per-group
basis. Not sure how that will interact with the various templates.

-- 
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Exception errors

[David Embrey]

Hello Fellow TheBat users,

I'm experiencing an increasing frequency of External Exception errors
(code C06 appears) (about 10 times a day) which then give rise to a variety 
of outcomes:

1. The Bat appears to function (you can open folders etc.) but cannot send
anything, and the error message reappears after each keystroke.
2. The program freezes and can only be closed using Windows
Task manager or sometimes only by rebooting
3. The program just closes

This problem has only manifested itself during the past 3 weeks or so,
with increasing frequency. Nothing much has changed apart from
installing some antispam plugins (see more details below)
Conditions.  The problem frequently manifests when
attempting to send an email but also randomly.

We are running a copy of the Bat Professional on a peer to peer server under
Windows XP SP2, with four people on other machines sharing this with
their own accounts. This arrangement has functioned with no previous problems
since we moved to the Bat 2 years ago. The total size of the message
archive is about 11,000 messages.
We are using the current release version of the Bat.

Things I have tried:

Reinstalling the current version of the Bat-had
no effect

Plugins

I have been experimenting with antispam plugins,
first Agava and then Antispam Sniper, following recommendations in
this forum. When the problems started, I first uninstalled the plugins
completely, but the problems continued. I then reinstalled Sniper in
the local machine directory instead of the Server. Problem remained the
same. I also have the Google desktop indexing plugin installed. I have
not yet tried uninstalling this. Should I try this?

The only option I have not tried is installing the most recent beta version of 
the Bat.
Would this be worth a try? Any other ideas?



  

-- 
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 David  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

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Re[2]: Sharing Bat Accounts accross an XP network

[David Embrey]

 Hello Roelof,

 On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:32:50 +0200 GMT (08/07/2006, 23:32 +0700 GMT),
 Roelof Otten wrote:

RO I'm afraid the only way to (real time) share messages between multiple
RO instances of TB is by using IMAP accounts. That means that either your
RO ISP should support IMAP (with simultaneous logins enabled) or you
RO should install your own IMAP server on your LAN.

 No, that's not the only way. We share messages using POP: Each
 computer will leave messages on the server, so each computer will
 download all incoming messages. In order for everybody to also receive
 the messages sent, there are two possibilities:

 1.) Everybody sends their messages by BCC to the From address as well.
 (This is what we used to do.)

 2.) The server will copy all outgoing messages to the Inbox on server.
 (This is what we do now, a feature of Merak mail server.)

A simple solution that we have used for years is to have a single The
Bat .exe on a server on the network. There is a short cut on each
machine wishing to share that points to this .exe. When this shortcut
is first invoked on a non-server, you are prompted to go through the
usual process of registering the program and opening your own account.
Each shared user creates the accounts that they want to share on their
own machine on the network using Account/New and then using the
existing account names if they are already present on another machine.
This allows everybody to see any other account that they wish, which
suits our (open, non-corporate) way of working. The actual downloading
of mail is usually done by each account holder on his/her machine.
This avoids duplicates, but in any case, these can easily be deleted
using Folder/Delete. There's no need to create any extra directories.
All of the individual user directories are held in the mail directory
on the machine which holds the single Bat .exe



Regards

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Re: Putting a reply into the same folder where the original message is stored?

[David Bevington]

Hello Maksym,

There might well be a more sophisticated method. BUT if the recipients
are filtered into their folders using filters based on the sender,
then your replies can be filtered into the same folder using a filter
with the recipient providing the condition for the filter.

If  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is filtered into a folder when they send
you an email, you can add an OR condition that filters mails from you
to the same folder when a.recipient is the recipient of the message
sent from you. Hope this is clear.

  A reminder of what Maksym Kozub typed on:
  03 March 2006 at 18:39:59 GMT + 

MK I have a number of 'per recipient' mail folders in The Bat! (e.g. each
MK customer has his very own folder assigned). I'd like to get my replies
MK to those people saved automatically to the respective folders rather
MK then to my Sent folder. (It's more convenient for me to see
MK correspondence with a customer in one thread, etc.) Is there any way
MK (maybe using macros?) to get it done that way?



 


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Re[2]: All of a sudden getting Unable to insert a line error messages

[David Huber]

On Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 4:31:24 AM, Roelof Otten wrote, and
now David Huber on Thursday, January 19, 2006 at 10:25:15 AM responds.

RO What did you change on your system? In case you're running Win XP,
RO does it help when you restore a restore point?

I changed nothing - the errors just started happening. And I'm running
WinME (ARGHH). Though for some reason, today, I'm not getting any of these
errors and it seems to have self-corrected.

RO I haven't got any clue what error messages you're getting, so I'm
RO absolute clueless about their meaning. So copy and paste your
RO error messages into a message, so that we can see them.

The error message came up in a little window and all it said was
Error: Unable to insert a line with an okay button to click.

I wonder if one of the emails on my server could have been causing a
problem? It would have gotten deleted this morning in the daily purge of
emails (which I leave on the server for a day after I download). Or
maybe not.

Bloody weird, whatever it is, and today everything has been working
perfectly.

Thanks for answering! Not sure if this line of questioning is worth
pursuing any more unless that message comes back.


-- 
David

I am so convinced of the advantages of looking at mankind instead of
reading about them, and of the bitter effects of staying at home with
all the narrow prejudices of an Islander, that I think there should be
a law amongst us to set our young men abroad for a term among the few
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All of a sudden getting Unable to insert a line error messages

[David Huber]

Using version 2.12.00

The Bat! been working perfectly since forever; and now, all of a
sudden tonight, it gives me the error windows - it seems to fire up
one error message when my connection center fires up, and then I get
two when the connection center closes, whether I have new email or
not.

I rebooted the computer, and am still getting the same problem.

Any idea what's happening? Any idea what that error message even
means?

Is it time to bite the bullet and move into version 3?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
David
Written Wednesday, January 18, 2006 at 10:41:51 PM

Nothing is so fatiguing as the eternal hanging on of an uncompleted
task. – William James


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