Re: Splash Screen
Hello Peter, Friday, January 15, 2010, 6:36:46 PM, you wrote: can anybody tell me where The Bat! stores the splash screen that shows on startup? It is stored within the EXE. If you use a tool like MultiExtractor you can see all the files within an EXE-file. You can check by yourself www.multiextractor.com. You can download a demo version where you see what is inside however you can't save that. -- Best regards, Martinmailto:mr_t...@arcor.de Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Hello Allie, on Monday, March 1, 2004, 4:52:05 AM, Allie Martin wrote: The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not a separate entity. Messages on the news server will be only messages sent to the mailing list. The news server mirror will be added as a means for those who wish to read the list traffic using NNTP to do so. Okay, if it is only an additional possibility to access this group - no problem with me. Only one thing must be sure: the e-mail-accounts must be safe. So only Gmane or similar techniques must be used. Else I also won't post anymore! -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BUG: QT manager gets lost if you close edit mail msg window where you pressed ctrl-shift-Q
Hello dAniel, on Sunday, February 29, 2004, 9:57:00 PM, dAniel hAhler wrote: To reproduce: - open edit mail message window - press ctrl-shift-q - close the edit mail message window (QT manager will also disappear) - press ctrl-shift-q (TB main window will flash, but no QT manager) Confirmed under Windows XP with Version 2.04.4. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Hello Joseph, on Saturday, February 28, 2004, 9:10:11 AM, Joseph N. wrote: It would be easier to scan, store, read, and otherwise manage the growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What do others think of managing the volume of this list? Why it would be easier to scan, stor, read and so on? If you think a newsreader brings you more advantages than use a e-mail-account which you are using with the newsreader. As the newsreader mostly in all cases allows also e-mail-support you have the usability that you wish (if The Bat doesn't offer you these features). If others use a news2mail-gateway then anyway they use The Bat and it doesn't make any difference if we use a mailing group or a newsgroup. I personally like more newsgroups as the mails are downloaded and I can work offline on a laptop while travelling or stuff like that. Also newsgroups can be synchronised but I don't like it. And second reason to keep the mailing list is that we are talking about an E-Mail-Client and so by writing we can find out problems or things like that. Also not everyone has a newsgroup client installed (well actually maybe Outlook Express - but I think noone wants to force someone to use Outlook Express!). So I would be sad if this mailing-list would be less in usage because a newsgroup is available also for many beginners who are glad to be able to write and receive a mail. How you want to explain them that they should configure and use a newsclient when they just learnt to use a email client? And besides, when having problems with an e-mail-client I guess it would be wise to answer him on the same way. I like news but I think in this situation would be contraproductive. But that are only my thoughts. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Hello Greg, on Sunday, February 29, 2004, 10:04:01 AM, Greg Strong wrote: I subsequently learned that all I had to do was put a dummy email address in Agent, and only provide the REAL email address in the news server's authentication login which was never part of the headers. Mind you this was after countless inquiries to my ISP's support with regard to their new policy. The ISP support never suggested the correct fix. Well, for posting to Newsgroups I use an account of www.spammotel.com. There you can create single accounts which are forwarded to your real e-mail address. But you can flag them (e.g. in the subject by a keyword) where you can find out which Spammail-E-Mail-Address was used). In case you get many sapm-mails then you can also deactivate single e-mail addrresses. I like that service because it also shows how mails are given to companies (e.g. when subscribing to a newsletter or something like that). -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT in 2.04.7 and 2.04.04
Hello Doug, on Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 1:42:17 PM, Doug Weller wrote: Can anyone shed light on this? Ah, I found out. You post to the list. Since I posted it has picked up 3 spam emails. But it's missed 5. Well, as my internet provider is filtering spam very hard (well, in my eyes too hard) I hardly get spam. But with another account (where I only get from time to time mail) there BayesIT was finding 4 spam mails and missed 1. When this happens you have to mark the mail as Junk (right click on the mail -- Specials -- Mark as Junk). Then the mail automatically is moved to the Junk Folder and BayesIT is learning that this mail was junk to increase the hit rate. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Could not store message
Hello Thomas, on Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 10:41:17 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: That's a new one. I believe From is mandatory (I am reporting from memory, didn't check RFC2822), but subject is optional. A recipient of some kind must be present, otherwise you wouldn't have received the mail. Well, as it is from the provider itself he maybe copied the mail to each user (with some wrong or missing header data). In the webmailinterface everything is displayed correctly but when checking with the message dispatcher I see all(!) fields empty. Here are the header informations from the Mail Dispatcher: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= schnipp -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From: Address Unknown X-Information: Could not retrieve the message header X-Server-Response: +OK -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= schnapp -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.07 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello ken, on Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:23:53 PM, ken green wrote: I am in no way saying that The Bat is all bad or that Stefan or RitLabs are terrible or anything like that. In fact, I continue to complain about TB's performance because I do plan on using TheBat well into the future. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother. Yes, you are right doing that. But I think anyway what you see are some users who report problems. In software development it is normal that in some special circumstances the software may fail. For the person where it happens this is a pity and it MUST be fixed but this is not easily to find out by beta testers or the porgrammer before the error occurs. Look, one of a described problem was that the progress circle of connection center was displayed in another color than the rest of the box. In my eyes this is a pity because it doesn't look as nice as it should. But it has no influence in receiving mails and stuff like that. So you can work well with the program if it has this bug inside or not. And beta-team plus Stefan tried to find out why this display problem appeared for some few users until they found out that WindowsBlinds (a windows desktop enhancer utility was the reason for that). So in my eyes there you can't blame Stefan if something like that happened. Anyway he tried to fix it. If it still appears, no idea as I don't have Windows Blinds installed. Go check the PocoMail forum. I tried it out, complained a bit about things I felt were important, then let it go and will likely not look back for some time. I honestly felt like Poco was too far removed from what I wanted (features and stability) to wait around. Yes, of course. Stability and needed features is the most important thing. I also checked some years ago (before using The Bat) several other e-mail clients. And it really is a shame how some clients are done (by stability, functionality and usability). Only The Bat offered enough for me to say, yes, this will be my email client for the future. And when you can say this then it's time to go to the registration page for ordering your key. And believe me I never regreted this until now as Ritlabs really try to fix the problems which occur. I think TB is really close. Probably as close to perfect (for me) that a software app could be. Very good. So don't panic if you see a error posting. Be more in sorrow in case a error posting wouldn't be answered or read by the developers. But they do so and if it really is an urgent matter they will fix it quite fast (as in this case done by version 2.04.7). I stick with TheBat because I *WANT* it work. Really bad... :) That is your right and I also want it work. If the Bat wouldn't work I even couldn't complain with Stefan by mail... ;) I don't doubt that this release in better than its predecessor. IT SHOULD BE!!! Why is that thrown out so often when people complain about the latest version? Look through the archives You will read some variation of that response over and over again following critical posts. Well, there I must say that the problem only was caused when upgrading from some special preversions. As I used mostly all betas except the very last RC and the very first test release for me it didn't occur. It mostly happened for people with a old installation which the beta testers normally never have. Maybe this could be a job for Ritlabs to have some installations of old The Bat versions to see if the upgrade is working fine. But I only would test the Release versions - not the Beta ones as they are not for all the people. I think it's fair to hold RitLabs and The Bat to high standards. It's a great product. But it should work as advertised. And as long as new versions are getting released, I expect TB to continue getting greater. Well, yes I also hope so. Many things could be improved (Feature Requests). You may have seen my mails mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. But that are requests which I could imagine as very good for the Bat. I think no other mail client offers these features. So if you ask me I am very happy about The Bat and as you said - let we get it greater! :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello ken, on Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 1:26:48 AM, ken green wrote: Come on, this isn't about my needs changing beyond what The Bat has to offer. This is about The Bat promising on functionality and hitting 90% - and I'm complaining about that 10% Yes, and that is good. If noone would complain Stefan would say everyone is happy and wouldn't continue developing The Bat - and what else he could do in his time! ;) Note that I don't ignore that 90% either. I have repeatedly stated that I like TB. But it doesn't stop me from wanting it to be better. What's wrong with asking for 95% or 97%? Nothing. The opposite is the case: we must ask for 110%. So that means additional features. But the first 100% should have as less errors as possible. But consider your experiences with IMAP. Then go to RitLabs site: Fully functional IMAP4rev1 support for on-line, off-line and combined use That's not about addressing Allie's IMAP problems. IMAP is *NOT* fully functional. And it's supposed to be. Well, that may be. However which software fully implements the IMAP standard? In one of the last c't (a german computer magazine) tests about mail clients only a few had an IMAP support. And from these few I think only the Mozilla suite (or Thunderbird) got best grades. All others were lacking some IMAP features. If IMAP isn't fully imlemented, then the product should state this. It's a principle called truth in advertising. You are right. But in the today world noone wants to hear the truth in advertisemnts else the people wouldn't buy it. It is sad but true. Anyway the IMAP support of The Bat is more less okay. At least you can use it (which not always was the case). However every improvement that is done there really would help to increase the 90%. Viva The Bat! Si! :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Could not store message
Hello, I have a very strangs problem. I have several accounts and all work fine except of one. The configuration of the accounts are the same (from the directories). I even have two accounts with the same provider. With one I could retrieve my mails but in the other account I get the error message you can see in the logfile below. I have no explanation for that as I have enough space on the hdd and the other accounts save the mails in the same temp folder. As this is not such an important mail account it isn't a problem for me! But I would like to know who has a similar problem. Or if you know how this can happen. Here the excerpt of the logfile -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= schnipp -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 21.02.2004, 21:59:29: FETCH - receiving mail messages 21.02.2004, 21:59:38: FETCH - connected to POP3 server 21.02.2004, 21:59:42: FETCH - authenticated (plain) 21.02.2004, 22:00:15: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 1 new !21.02.2004, 22:00:21: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOKUME~1\Martin\LOKALE~1\Temp\bat1C90.tmp) 21.02.2004, 22:00:21: FETCH - connection finished - 1 messages received -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= schnapp -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Menu Navigator Keyboard
Hello Mark, on Sunday, February 22, 2004, 5:39:01 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: The Menu Navigator is one of the first things I turned off. Have you actually found something useful buried in there? Well, for me not. And second for me is flickering when it is switched on. Probably has to do that my laptop is not the fastest (600 MHz) but for mailing it is quite okay. I guess the weak processor plus Win XP makes the item flickering. I don't mind it as I am not using it - but maybe someone wants it and is disturbed by the flickering. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One account for home and work
Hello Alexander, on Saturday, February 21, 2004, 3:10:27 AM, Alexander A. Gomanyuk wrote: So I'm looking for solution, how to synchronize one account (message base) for that two PCs, to have equal message bases, so when replying at home, don't reply at work etc... Yes i know about IMAP, but if exists any POP3|SMTP solution? Well, in theory you could use the Synchronise function. If you have a USB stick (or something similar) you could save the synchronisation function. If it works? No idea. I never tested it. But this is why I was asking for an extended synchronisation function where you can upload adress-books, calendars etc. to a ftp-account (or better upload it by scp (ssh-copy, which means that the transfer is encrypted)) where the other The Bat can synchronise the data (see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). For mails this might be more difficult as there is a bigger data volume than with address book or calendar. But there I could imagine that all data since last synchronisation is saved to the ftp-account. By doing that you always would have synchronous data. If you have a very fast internet connection you also could put the data files on a share which you can access by mounting that directories. Then you even don't have to synchronise data. But of course the working will be definitely slower than working with a message base stored locally... -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Could not store message
Hello Martin, on Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 12:36:20 PM, Martin Schneider wrote: !21.02.2004, 22:00:21: FETCH - could not store message (file name - C:\DOKUME~1\Martin\LOKALE~1\Temp\bat1C90.tmp) So I was investigating a little bit more and found the reason for the problem. Of course you all could be right that a virus scanner is blocking the mail. However my virusscanner (BitDefender) is not blocking the file as it would filter out the virus already while writing to the TMP-file. (It filters out the virus before arriving to the Mail-Program by interfering the stream. On slow connections it can happen that The Bat announces a timeout as it doesn't retrive the stream as it have to be fully downloaded inside of the virusscanner berfore passing it to The Bat). The reason for the error message was that the mail contained no real mail data as it was created by the mailprovider (e.g. sender, subject and recipient was missing). And The Bat didn't know how to handle the incorrect mail. So the consequence was that error. Maybe Stefan and Co. could make a check if the mail contains real maildata. In case not to report that mail as corrupt or whatever. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?
Hello ken, on Monday, February 23, 2004, 5:53:50 PM, ken green wrote: From the confirmed problems I've been reading about, it seems 2.04.4 isn't any more stable (across multiple users) than the recent betas. No, I can't confirm that. For me the 2.04.4 works very fine (also the Spamfilter BayesIt which is included in that distribution. I must say thanks to Stefan and his team for the good work. And please have a look on my suggestions and what you think about that. (I posted them in TBBeta and in the normal TBudl). -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Hello ken, on Monday, February 23, 2004, 5:46:12 PM, ken green wrote: Yikes! Is this true?!!? Isn't this something that should have NEVER, EVER made it past testing? I thought 2.04.4 was an official release? Probably it is true for some users. However for me it NEVER happened so far (and for many other users also not). MAU was reporting that problem. But after installing an older version and then again the latest version it also was working for him. Up to now we couldn't find out why in some rare cases this can happen. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Synchronisation feature request
Hello, I already did post this mail to the BETA-List but I didn't get any answer. So I try to start a discussion in the tbudl-list. Maybe you like my idea, maybe not. As I have seen The Bat offers a synchronisation function which is very important. But as I see the funtion so far only offers the data synchronisation by manual file exchange. What could be a nice feature would be that the file automatically is uploaded on a ftp server (which everyone can configure by himself) where some important data is stored globally (e.g. address books, Scheduler, etc.) In theory even mails could be stored there, however this would mean a lot of data transfer. Therefore an IMAP account is more useful. But the rest of the data (or the data you want - you need) could be put on a FTP server that you even can access the calendar or addressbook from different computers - without thinking of doing the synchronisation. What do you think about that? -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP Current beta is 2.04.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SmartBat Usability Improvement; Outlook Interface emulation
Hello, I also postet this mail in the BETA-Mailinglist and only got one answer. Maybe in this group more people want to agree/disagree my opinion. ;) As the discussion about the SmartBat started I also have a wish: please improve the usability to create a new date. It should be possible to create a reminder when double clicking on a date or right clicking on a date (or date-range) to create the new data. Also there should be a possibility to see more than the actual month. For usability (I am sorry to say that) Outlook is the standard. And I must say for usability Outlook is quite okay for the Calendar. So please have a look there how to make easy usage of calendar. Also good would be that you can invite people. It would be perfect if it even would be compatible with Outlook for invitations and confirmations and stuff like that. I think many business user would wish that feature. I hope not to get flames because I mention a product which really is not good (as a mail client) but it is fine with the workgroup usability. If you could improve the handling of The Bat in the scheduler that would be great. Another question I have is that almost every software is able to synchronise with Outlook. However if you want to use another (better) software then you have the problem that you can't synchronise data (calender, contacts, etc.) with the other software (e.g. MobilePhone software, PDA's and stuff like that). Would there be a possibility to program a interface which is simulating Outlook but retrieving data from The Bat? And what do you think about such an interface? I think it would be very helpful and would make The Bat for many people (who need the workgroup function) an alternative. And no, this for sure is not a showstopper for the release of the actual version of The Bat. But I think this feature no other software has so far! So think about it. ;) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP Current beta is 2.04.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/ Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: \ before parenthesis on reply in TO address?
Hello Greg, on Tuesday, February 10, 2004, 2:25:47 PM, Greg Strong wrote: Why does TB add a backward slash \ before either a left parenthesis ( or right ) parenthesis in the TO address? LastName, FirstName \(Other Info\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, actually the backslash is used to define the character afterwards that it is used as a character and not as a function. I am not sure if the bracktes have a function in a mail address. But I guess it is made to be on the safe side with all mail-servers. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 2.03 RC/1 on Windows XP Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Thomas, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 3:22:24 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I discovered that my mail provider GMX provides IMAP4 access too. I have configured a new account with setting imap.gmx.de for incoming mail. But ... where's the difference to pop3? The Bat still downloads all my mail, and with the mail dispatcher I still only see my inbox and no other folder. When they started their IMAP server, they advised that it works with OL/OE and Netscape Mail (IIRC). They said support for other clients will follow shortly. I don't have that GMX Info any more, so I cannot look up the details. IMAP is IMAP and it should work in every Client. And as far as I understand Andreas he only asked why The Bat is not having a real IMAP functionality. What the Bat offers is a functionality that is like POP3 only that it uses the IMAP protocol for fetching mails. So, Andreas, you are right this is a problem found out not only by you. The developers of The Bat already are working hard to implement that feature in the new version (2.0). The first Beta-Versions where the new IMAP functinality is included should come out in the next days. So wait for a while - and soon you will be able to handle your GMX account by IMAP with The Bat. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello ravi, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 2:51:26 AM, ravi wrote: Nope, not yet. Look out for version 2 though. It's supposed to have proper IMAP support. Correct. The developers already confirmed that and announced that in the next days the new Beta-Version with the full IMAP functionality should come out. When the Beta-Test is finished then a new release (2.0) comes out. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello John, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 11:41:43 AM, John Phillips wrote: Correct. The developers already confirmed that and announced that in the next days the new Beta-Version with the full IMAP functionality should come out. When the Beta-Test is finished then a new release (2.0) comes out. Will version 2.0 have news group reading capabilities as well? Well, I didn't read nothing about that in the upcoming release. In the past they once told that they plan that. But more important was the IMAP support for them (and in my eyes for everyone). I personally would also like if a Newsreader function would be included - even I found a quite good newsreader (which is free): 40tude Dialog. But of course, when The Bat offers the Newsreader functionality, then I immedialtely will use The Bat for that. -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Andreas, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 1:13:53 PM, Andreas Schwartmann wrote: Yep, and I cannot use it with the Bat. Hmmm, that is strange. Sorry for double posting, but my GMX spam filter must have rejected my list mail since friday. I forwarded you all the mails to your name-account. I changed my list subscribtion to another address now. I have not received any answer on my initial posting, but I take it that The Bat has not yet fully implemented complete IMAP functionality, right? Yes, that is correct. But soon it will also have that function. Anyway you should be able to retrieve the mails with IMAP of The Bat in the moment. The difference is only that with The Bat in the moment you can't move mails on the server in another folder - or things like that which are basic IMAP features. But reciving mails should work anyway, if GMX uses standard IMAP. Or do they only offer SSL-IMAP? Then it could be a reason why it is not working. I didn't put so much attention to the GMX-IMAP yet (because it only is offered in the most expensive version of that account. And I have a very good account where my mails are forwarded to). So if IMAP with GMX is not working with The Bat, then the reason (in my eyes) is a different encryptet authentification or a encryptet data transfer (SSL). -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Steve, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 5:30:54 PM, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: Imap must be difficult to implement -- the Depart of Education within the state of Maine uses an Email server/client called First Class and Imap functionality there doesn't work well either. I had asked the developers about this and they claimbed that there are inconsistancies within the Imap protocol therefore making it difficult to implement. I found this a bit hard to believe, but in truth, most mail clients seemed to have gone through a difficult time when attempting to incorporate Imap functionality. Well, it can be that there are some things that are not defined clearly. However there exist enough very well working IMAP clients that are even freeware / OpenSource. One of the well working IMAP client is KMail and the other is Mozilla-Mail. IMAP is a standard protocoll where maybe some details are not defined so precisely. But at least the standard unix IMAP servers should be supported by The Bat. I guess that these are the one that are mostly in usage. I also know that e.g. Exchange 2000 is not answering everything correctly when you access by IMAP. E.g. IMAPassassin (a spam filter who finds spam on the server and can move the messages in a specicif folder) can't move the mail to a specific folder when using Exchange 2000. It copies it in that folder but is unable to delete the mail. So you have a as read marked mail still in the inbox... This could be one of the situations where the IMAp protocoll is misused (by Microsoft). I also want to comment that the problem is not specific to GMX -- I'm running a Linux mail server here with Imap access and am getting the same results as the original poster. Guess we'll just havg on for version 2. Yes, and it is quite near. The Developers already use Version 2.0 alpha 1 in their latest mails... :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Alexander, on Sunday, July 27, 2003, 5:48:50 PM, Alexander wrote: it wouldn't surprise me if they already had made a little influence here and there so that big public mail providers will support O/OE first... When they offer IMAP they support every IMAP client. If you use Mozilla, KMail or Outlook Express is not a difference for the provider. Important for them is only that their IMAP server is a satndard one and can be used by standard clients. And Outlook Express keeps the standard (as well as Mozilla and KMail (and hopefully soon The Bat)). :) -- Best regards, Martin Using The Bat 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP
Hello Marck, Thursday, July 17, 2003, 12:30:14 AM, you wrote: MS What could be the reason that I get back the error message Auth MS Error? Even a new installation on that machine didn't help. Firewall on the affected machine perhaps? ZA, for example, has been known to disrupt TB's communications on occasion. Well, I don't think so. There is no firewall installed on that machine. And besides if you use POP or APOP always use the same port (by default). So, my mailrequest reaches the server, but then the server replies with an Authentification error. I even tried to rinstall The Bat. That didn't help. Then I cahnged to the latest Beta version. That also didn't change the behaviour. Is there anywhere a registry entry that maybe changes the behaviour on APOP? I really have absolutely no explanation for that behaviour. What I will do next is creating a second mail account in the Bat to see if that is working properly with APOP. I keep you informed. If anyone has a hint it would be great when you could help me. -- Best regards, Martin Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP
Hello Marck, Thursday, July 17, 2003, 2:27:28 PM, you wrote: MS What I will do next is creating a second mail account in the Bat MS to see if that is working properly with APOP. I keep you MS informed. Please do. I'd like to see what it's about... I found out what was provoking that problem. Your tip with the installed firewall made me think. I knew a firewall can't be the problem. But I installed a virus scanner there that intereferes the mail fetching for checking if inside of that stream there is a virus. It is BitDefender 6.5 and was distributed in Germany by a famous magazine (c't) with a one year free of updates. You can switch off the interfering of that scanner. Then the APOP mail getting works perfectly. When you switch it on again then it will fail. When the e-mail-provider already checks for mails then this feature is not a big security risk when you switch it off. I checked on the website of BitDefender and found a newer version (7.0), and there it seems that they fixed the problem. At least when I use that scanner I can fetch the mails without any problems if I use POP3 or APOP. Poooh, thanks for helping me. And I hope you can add this in your FAQ that noone blames the best E-Mail program of the world: The Bat! :) -- Best regards, Martin Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP
Hello, I encounter a strange behaviour. I have installed The Bat on two machines. On one machine it is possible to fetch mails per APOP. On the other machine not anymore. Some days ago I could, but suddenly it didn't work. So I created a new account on another machine - and there it works. The configuration (at least in the dialog boxes) are the same. What could be the reason that I get back the error message Auth Error? Even a new installation on that machine didn't help. Are there registry entries I can check and change? Simple POP works perfectly on both machines. The passwords really are set correctly. I am really without any idea anymore. Thanks for your help. -- Best regards, Martin Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mistake in the German translation
Hi folks, I found a mistake in the German translation. I normally use the english version - but once switched to the German one. When you want to choose the PGP-Version in English, you can choose between different PGP implementations - and also the Version 6.x / 6.5.x. But in the German Menue only the version 6.0.2 appears... Of course it also works with newer versions (it only is the language file), but maybe some user is astouned about that... Maybe you have time to fix that! Bye, Martin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Automatic search for names in the sender field
Hi folks, I am new and wanted to try this nice program. And it really looks great - but I have two questions: Is there a possibility that the names in the "To:" field are automatically shown from the address book (like in Netscape Messenger)? If I type a part of a e-mail-address that is unique, then "The Bat!" don't show me the full e-mail-address automatically. That really is a pity because I really enjoyed that feature in Netscape messenger. For example: if I have a user "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and its name is Testuser then TB don't show me the whole e-mail-address when typing "tu". But when I am typing Testuser it shows all. Also it would be nice if TB would automatically extend the e-mail automatically with the domain of the account if a domain is missing in the address. Also a pity is that the address book doesn't automatically jump to the search field when I press "Shift-Return" in the To-field. And when I have found the person I can't add it automatically to the To-field by pressing Return (or Ctrl-Return). I have to press Shift-Tab (that the cursor jumps in the adress-field) and then press Return. That really are too much keystrokes for that. So, I really would appreciate if there would come some changes. Okay, that have been my technical questions. Now I would like to know two different things: 1. When I register, for which versions is the key valid? Is it valid for every future version or only for the 1.x or 1.4x? (Sorry, I didn't find anything on the homepage!) 2. What will be the new features of V.2 and when it will be released. Thanks in advantage! :)) Bye, Martin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Automatic search for names in the sender field
Hi Marck, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 2:52:10 PM, you wrote: MDP TB *will* auto-complete addresses from the address history list. To MDP complete names from the address book, press Ctrl-Plus. Oh yes, that's true! Thanks! But another question? When I type a parts of the pure e-mail-address I can see all entries by pressing Ctrl-Plus. That really works good. But what I miss is that also the full name is displayed. Any more hint? MDP Perhaps here TB is too mouse-centric. Many of the keystrokes are MDP perhaps too complex for the simpler tasks. The developers are MDP currently working on V2 in which it is intended to implement definable MDP keys. This really would be great! MDP Your key is likely to be valid for all 1.xx releases. Is already known what the update costs will be? And thanks for your answers! :)) Bye, Martin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Automatic search for names in the sender field
Hi Jamie, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 2:39:21 PM, you wrote: JDB About the address book issue. You could always use a mouse :-) Hahaha, well, yes, that I also found out! ;) But there really the keyboard would be more appreciated ;) Bye, Martin -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
