Re: FROM address changes upon sending in v8.0.10
--- 8< snip, snip 8< --- 8< edited for clarity 8< Current reply template: %From=%Clear %From=%OTo Hello %OFromFName, %Cursor %QuoteEmptyLines Best wishes, %Capital(%FromFName) -- Random tagline:%- %SETPATTREGEXP='(.*?)(?:\n)?(.*)'%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH(%COOKIE="c:\progra~2\thebat~1\sigs.txt")%- %WRAPPED(%SUBPATT(1)) %SUBPATT(2) %WRAPPED='On %ODateEn thus spake %OFromFName:'%- %QUOTESTYLE="=%qinclude(Initials)" %WRAPPED=%QUOTES="%TEXT"%- RG>> AS the teplate should dictate, and while RG>> composing a reply, the edit window header RG>> shows in the replying "FROM" entry the RG>> address that the message was originally sent RG>> TO: (So far, so good. Looks like the template RG>> is working.) But each and every email, once RG>> sent, actually goes out with the same FROM: RG>> myn...@mydomain.com. Which not only is nowhere RG>> in the template, it is also is NOT the actual RG>> account used, which is a GMAIL account. RG> Maybe I have a better idea than trying to fix RG> something we do not know where it is broken.. RG> What templates would you use in v8.x to reply RG> FROM the address that was written TO? RG> I'd happily change my template entirely, RG> elsewise maybe I should roll back to v7.x? Without any suggestions for a working reply template, what would the prescribed method to roll back to v.7.4.16? Thanks all. -- Using The Bat! email program version 8.0.10 Random tagline: "I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Winston Churchill Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FROM address changes upon sending in v8.0.10
On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 thus spake Rich: RG> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 thus spake Thomas: TF>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:10:34 -0500 GMT (29/11/2017, 10:10 TF>> Rich Gregory wrote: >>> THIS account (tb...@mudshark.com) is working properly but in this >>> account my reply template is NOT set to adopt the TO address of >>> the message being replied to. >>> My main account however is templated to do so, like such: >>> Here is my main account REPLY template: >>> %MODIFYONCE(From)%- >>> %From=%Clear %From=%OTo TF>> Have you tried without Modifyonce(From)? Because you are TF>> actually TF>> modifying twice. RG> I removed the "%MODIFYONCE(From)%-" string from the reply RG> template and there is no difference. RG> The reply looks like it is replying from the previous TO address RG> but once sent it has the same myname@mydomain FROM on the RG> email actually sent. Maybe I have a better idea than trying to fix something we do not know where it is broken.. What templates would you use to reply FROM the address that was written TO? I'd happily change my template entirely, elsewise maybe I should roll back to v7.x? -- Using The Bat! email program version 8.0.10 Random tagline: One starts to get young at the age of 60, and then it's too late. - Pablo Picasso Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FROM address changes upon sending in v8.0.10
On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 thus spake Thomas: TF> Hello Rich, TF> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:10:34 -0500 GMT (29/11/2017, 10:10 TF> +0700 GMT), TF> Rich Gregory wrote: >> Hello Thomas, >> THIS account (tb...@mudshark.com) is working properly but in this >> account my reply template is NOT set to adopt the TO address of >> the message being replied to. >> My main account however is templated to do so, like such: >> Here is my main account REPLY template: >> %MODIFYONCE(From)%- >> %From=%Clear %From=%OTo TF> [snip, as otherwise the reply won't make sense due to top-post] TF> Have you tried without Modifyonce(From)? Because you are TF> actually TF> modifying twice. I removed the "%MODIFYONCE(From)%-" string from the reply template and there is no difference. The reply looks like it is replying from the previous TO address but once sent it has the same myname@mydomain FROM on the email actually sent. -- Using The Bat! email program version 8.0.10 Random tagline: There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full. - Dr. Henry Kissinger Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: FROM address changes upon sending in v8.0.10
Hello Thomas, THIS account (tb...@mudshark.com) is working properly but in this account my reply template is NOT set to adopt the TO address of the message being replied to. My main account however is templated to do so, like such: Here is my main account REPLY template: %MODIFYONCE(From)%- %From=%Clear %From=%OTo Hello %OFromFName, %Cursor %QuoteEmptyLines My main account is an IMAP mirror of my gmail account. If I reply to any email in that account, while I am composing the message the editor window header FROM *is* what we'd expect it to be, the address that the original email was addressed to. BUT once the message is actually sent, no matter what address was in the FROM in the editor window, the message is actually sent with a from address of myn...@mydomain.com. BYW, myn...@mydomain.com is NOT my gmail address and this *did* work in v7. Best regards, RG On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 thus spake Thomas: TF> Hello Rich, TF> On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:30:36 -0500 GMT (25-Nov-17, 02:30 TF> +0700 GMT), TF> Rich Gregory wrote: >> Hello Fellow Bats >> Just upgraded to v8.0.10 and found a problem... >> Upon sending an email from my main acct it changes the FROM >> address on me! >> While composing, the FROM is what it is intended to be but once >> sent I look in my SENT folder and it has a different address! >> Let's see if it happens on this email, which is being sent from >> an account other than my main acct. TF> I don't know from which eamil you sent it, but it arrived on TF> the list TF> from tb...@mudshark.com. TF> I tried, but I cannot duplicate what you describe. TF> Can anybody else? -- Using The Bat! email program version 8.0.10 Random tagline: The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrade to new version
On Monday, November 13, 2017 thus spake Maxim: MM> Version 8 keys are backwards-compatible for version 7 as well. Hello Maxim, Can I roll-back to v7.x? (In another post I cited a show-stopping issue w/ v8.0.10) Best regards, RG -- Using The Bat! email program version 8.0.10 Random tagline: It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice; there are two other possibilities, one is paperwork and the other is nostalgia." - Frank Zappa Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
FROM address changes upon sending in v8.0.10
Hello Fellow Bats Just upgraded to v8.0.10 and found a problem... Upon sending an email from my main acct it changes the FROM address on me! While composing, the FROM is what it is intended to be but once sent I look in my SENT folder and it has a different address! Let's see if it happens on this email, which is being sent from an account other than my main acct. Best regards, Rich Gregory -- Random tagline: "Anyhow, he say, you know how it is. You ast yourself one question, it lead to fifteen. I start to wonder why us need love. Why us suffer. Why us black. Why us men and women. Where do children really come from. It didn't take long to realize I didn't hardly know nothing. " - The Color Purple, Alice Walker Using The Bat! v.8.0.10 Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
U/G to v8
Hello Fellow Bats Is the u/g to v 8 (from v7.4.16) an important or recommended u/g? Will all my settings carry forward or, if not, what will I lose? Best regards, Rich Gregory -- Random tagline: Cannot open file "c:\progra~2\thebat~1\sigs.txt" Using The Bat! v.7.4.16 Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Propagate view mode
Hello Fellow Bats I have the main folder (the INBOX) in my main account set to a view mode I like. I want ALL my folders in all accounts to have this same look. How do I propagate it across the entire folder tree? Thanks & best regards, Rich Gregory -- Random tagline: "My wife and I were happy for twenty years. Then we met." - Rodney Dangerfield Using The Bat! v.7.4.16 Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Replicate all options & templates PC to PC
Hello Fellow Bats I have TB! setup nearly as perfectly as desired on 1 PC. Is there a way to easily replicate the entire installation onto another PC? I do NOT need to do a full backup & restore as the messages and accounts already exist on both PCs, I just want all options, preferences templates etc for all accounts the same on both PCs. Thx RG -- Best regards, Rich Gregory Random tagline: When we see men of worth, we should think of equaling them; when we see men of a contrary character, we should turn inwards and examine ourselves. - Confucius Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default TO question
Hello MAU, Thank you so much! Starting new thread for last round of related macro questions. Best regards, RG On Saturday, October 14, 2017 thus spake MAU: > Hello Rich, > , >> I see it works perfectly for NEW messages but *not* for a reply >> lest >> it double addresses the email! > Try this in Reply: %To=""%TO="tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com" >> Next up... How to auto-address the greeting line with the >> person to >> whom you are replying! (See above!) > Hello %OFROMFNAME, >> And... Is it possible to add the sender's initials to the >> reply >> lines that start >>? > Yes, use the %QUOTESTYLE macro. >> Lastly... I see your sig includes TB! version number you >> used and >> the current version. Are these variables or do you change >> them >> manually with each upgrade? > I insert the version I'm using with %THEBATVERSION macro. The > 'current > version' at the end of each message in the list is included > by the > list server, -- Using The Bat! email program version 7.4.16 Random tagline: We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Default TO question
Hello [your name here] Ah. Thanks. I see it works perfectly for NEW messages but *not* for a reply lest it double addresses the email! I also see (a lesson from the old days) that we'll also want to end that template line with a %- so as to not insert a blank line in the email. Next up... How to auto-address the greeting line with the person to whom you are replying! (See above!) And... Is it possible to add the sender's initials to the reply lines that start >>? Lastly... I see your sig includes TB! version number you used and the current version. Are these variables or do you change them manually with each upgrade? PS I didn't want to have multiple 'topics' in one email but they are so basic and so closely related to someone (re)setting up a new Bat install for the 1st time I thought it OK this once. Best regards, RG On Friday, October 13, 2017 thus spake MAU: > Hello Rich, >> What can I add to the NEW & REPLY templates so that the To: line >> always has TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com as the destination? > %TO="tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com" -- Random tagline: Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans - John Lennon Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Default TO question
Hello Fellow Bats I set up a separate account for TB! messages. What can I add to the NEW & REPLY templates so that the To: line always has TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com as the destination? Thanks all. -- Best regards, Rich Gregory Random tagline: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Updating from 2.12 templates
Hello TBUDL, Moving to this new TB! from v 2.12. I'll need help tweaking templates as my old install had some QTs that I cannot find a way to move over as well, so recreating some of that functionality will most likely have to be moved to regular templates I assume. For example, (not even knowing if the question makes sense w/o seeing the old QTs) how would this translate: %if:'%ABToHandle'<>'%ABToFirstName':'%ABToHandle':'%ABToFirstName'":"%ABToFirstName"+) Thanks folks. -- Random tagline: Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Seeking hints on using 2 proxies
Hello Bat-Folk! Assuming it can be done... (I'm sure it can!) I now have TB! (v2.12) set to use SpamPal as a 127.0.0.1 RECEIVE proxy. I now also need to use X-Ray, which also wants to situate itself in the proxy role, to strip a RETURN-PATH from certain outgoing messages (which I understand TB! cannot do). I am sure someone out there has done/is doing this (or something like it) and can convey some wisdom as to setup considerations! As always, thx all Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Have you noticed since everyone has a camcorder these days no one talks about seeing UFOs like they used to? Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.12 forward filter change FROM address
RO The order of preference is AB template, AB group template, folder RO template, account template. Note that when you've got multiple RO entries in your AB with the same address the preference can get RO mixed up. RO QTs and external text files can be called by other templates, doesn't RO matter whether the parent templates are account templates, AB RO templates, filter templates or even quick templates. RO You can use any macro in all kind of templates. RO ... be carefull with fireworks! Thanks for that... Then just to be sure I understand... 1- AB contact template will overwrite ANY template 2- Folder templates ONLY overwrite account templates 3- QTs or external text files share the hierarchical order of the template from which it is executed P.S. I won't think about sending a message via command line parameters! -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history. -- Aldous Huxley Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.12 forward filter change FROM address
RG ... 2 new filters in v2.12 TB [that] forward based on a RG matching SUBJECT string. I'd like to have these filters RG automatically also change the FROM address for me. RO You can alter the From: header of the created messages by using the RO the %From=newaddress%- macro in the template used by the filter. RO You can access that template on the actions tab of the filter. Next RO to the field with the destination address for the message there's an RO icon for accessing the address book en next to that there's an icon RO for accessing the template. I hope this helps. Works like a dream! Thank you! I never knew about that template button in that page of the filter front-end... Now THAT'S is useful!! I'd seen templates mentioned before in filters but assumed (duh) that they must be folder or account profile templates. Wow. This is great! Thank you very very much! Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings; they did it by killing all those who opposed them. Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.12 forward filter change FROM address
RG I'd seen templates mentioned before in filters but assumed (duh) that RG they must be folder or account profile templates. [EDITED] RO TB offers templates on lots of places. RO Account, folder, filter, address book (entry), address book (group), RO external text file. Also see Quick Templates. I suppose some template hierarchy exists where one template will over-ride another template in a predictable order? Is this so? I guess it must be in the order in which they are executed... What would that be? If I understand external text file template, any executed are nested within another more powerful template... Yes? Also, to my understanding QTs differ in that they just dump text into the body of an email being composed. No? Thank yet again (for the great lessons I should have learned years ago) and, again, best wishes to all for the new year! Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Age doesn't always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone. Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v2.12 forward filter change FROM address
Hello Bat-Folk! I have set up 2 new filters in sorting office of v2.12 TB! Both forward based on a matching SUBJECT string. I'd like to have these filters automatically also change the FROM address for me. I do not see any field in the filter interface that'll do this... Any pointers? Thx much, RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever. Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: email trigger filter string
RG If I try to put the username on one line and the domain on RG another line as strings then EITHER string triggers the filter. RO Do you mean as an extra condition on the 'alternatives' tab? To RO use two conditions on the primary rule will require both RO condition to match in order to trigger the filter. RG Not on another tab... Right on that first page of the filter I had RG enter 2 conditions but it was then triggering on either one, not RG only both. RO Are you sure about that? It shouldn't do that. No other filter that RO could have interfered? RG I am not sure! Having found a work-around though I cannot spend time RG figuring it out! RG HOWEVER - I did see something else curious in the resulting emails RG messages created by the filter: RG The filter does a redirect. I see that MY email address is inserted as RG they REPLY-TO. How can I clear that? SORRY... That's RETURN-PATH is inserted and I want to strip that out. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I have always wanted to be somebody, but I see now I should have been more specific. - Lily Tomlin Current version is 3.99.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: email trigger filter string
RG If I try to put the username on one line and the domain on another RG line as strings then EITHER string triggers the filter. RO Do you mean as an extra condition on the 'alternatives' tab? To use RO two conditions on the primary rule will require both condition to RO match in order to trigger the filter. RG Not on another tab... Right on that first page of the filter I had RG enter 2 conditions but it was then triggering on either one, not only RG both. RO Are you sure about that? It shouldn't do that. No other filter that RO could have interfered? I am not sure! Having found a work-around though I cannot spend time figuring it out! HOWEVER - I did see something else curious in the resulting emails messages created by the filter: The filter does a redirect. I see that MY email address is inserted as they REPLY-TO. How can I clear that? Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Make sure you have finished speaking before your audience has finished listening. -- Dorothy Sarnoff Current version is 3.99.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: email trigger filter string
RG I tried to make a (ver 2.12) filter to trigger on an incoming email RG address but it seems like when I have the @ sign in the string the RG filter does not trigger. RO It should be possible to filter on complete addresses. Back in the RO days I was using v1 or v2, I could filter on complete addresses. Are RO you sure that your complete condition doesn't include a space or RO something like that? I was only guessing that it was the @ sign that caused the filter to not trigger. (Yup, no spaces or other characters.) I have since found a header string that will work for me so I do not need to find out why that didn't work. I don't like not knowing and this may come up again, but as long as it's working now I'm not going to try to fix it! RG I f I try to put the username on one line and the domain on another RG line as strings then EITHER string triggers the filter. RO Do you mean as an extra condition on the 'alternatives' tab? To use RO two conditions on the primary rule will require both condition to RO match in order to trigger the filter. Not on another tab... Right on that first page of the filter I had enter 2 conditions but it was then triggering on either one, not only both. RG How can I either use one string with the email address or AND the 2 RG strings requiring them both to be present? RO What you propose to do, should pose no problems at all. Where would I *AND* 2 conditions, should this come up in the future? Thx mch! RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle Current version is 3.99.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
email trigger filter string
Hello Bat-Folk! I tried to make a (ver 2.12) filter to trigger on an incoming email address but it seems like when I have the @ sign in the string the filter does not trigger. I f I try to put the username on one line and the domain on another line as strings then EITHER string triggers the filter. How can I either use one string with the email address or AND the 2 strings requiring them both to be present? Thx Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -- Thomas Jefferson Current version is 3.99.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
access violation in dll ntdll.dll
Hello Bat-Folk! Any idea why I might be seeing this on my new PC. It does not happen much, but only when TB (v2.12) is running, and once this error happens TB! is the only program that exhibits any issues. The windows that shows the list of messages is empty. The folder list is OK and the preview windows is OK too. All other prgms seem unaffected. I tried starting TB! in several compatibility modes. Didn't help. Maybe it's a DEP error? Thx all, RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window. -- Steve Wozniak Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bat! opens 2 instances of web page in Firefox 2.0.0.6
It's a problem with The Bat. MT I responded earlier saying it did not work...tried it again and got it MT working using the registry editing method. I had this happen after installing Google Desktop. Uninstalled GDS and the problem went away. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Managing Sent Mail
RG Every time I create a rule under OUTGOING MAIL RG then close and re-open the sorting office RG ALL the OUTGOING rules change to say SOURCE FOLDER = INBOX! RO I can't try to reproduce that, I haven't got an installed RO copy of v2. I can't remember that v2.12 was misbehaving that way. RO It's possible that youe sorting office is somewhat corrupted. RO Make a copy (for safe keeping) of your account.srx file. (Or even RO better, create a copy of all of your account.* files) RO Tell TB to create a backup of your account properties (sorting office RO only would be better, but that can't be done with v3, so I guess it RO can't be done with v2 either) RO Close TB RO Open TB RO Restore the backup RO Close TB RO Open TB RO Try your outgoing filter sequence again RG Same thing happening!!! :( RG My installation is entirely on a mapped RG network drive... I wonder if that matters. == 3 months later == Nope, My Documents being on a mapped network drive doesn't matter. I have a new PC with all newly installed apps (including TB!) all conventionally installed on a single PC (no network required for any application) and trying to create that filter does the same thing again! Create an OUTGOING rule and the rule says source folder = outbox. Close sorting office and reopen sorting office, now source folders say source folder = inbox! -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right. - Henry Ford Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Desktop Search Engines
Hello Bat-Folk! It has been a while since seeing this brought up so, in order to get brought up to date... Is anyone happily using any of the desktop seach applications with TB awareness? There a bunch listed here I am going to go look at now: http://www.kalio.info/Desktop_Search_Comparison/ (See Appendix A Desktop Search Products) Thx all RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit. - Aristotle Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Which one to use?
That way, even if the address says Quality Manager, your reply will say Dear Dave, Dear %ABTOFirstName, If you reply to someone who is not in your address book, you will get Dear , RA Even better is to use RA Dear %Capital(%ABToFirstName=%ToFName) RA If the Address book first name is blank, it takes the first name from RA that address. In my (2.12) templates I have: Dear %Capital(%TOFNAME=+%if:%ABToHandle:%- but do not know what it does! I like the sound (explanation) of RA's template, and sometimes I am puzzled as to how occasionally the way my emails get addressed seems very counter-intuitive! Maybe I'd be better off adopting his. Can anyone please explain to me (not remembering where it came from) what my present template does? RA You don't seem to have quoted the entire part. The next line or RA perhaps more are required. AH! Ok then, so that I may possibly better my template (perhaps simplifying it to as RA suggests), the next line is: Dear %Capital(%TOFNAME=+%if:%ABToHandle:%- %if:'%ABToHandle''%ABToFirstName':'%ABToHandle':'%ABToFirstName':%ABToFirstName+) Thank you so much. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Which one to use?
RA On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 at 16:03:38 +, Doug wrote: That way, even if the address says Quality Manager, your reply will say Dear Dave, Dear %ABTOFirstName, If you reply to someone who is not in your address book, you will get Dear , RA Even better is to use RA Dear %Capital(%ABToFirstName=%ToFName) RA If the Address book first name is blank, it takes the first name from RA that address. In my (2.12) templates I have: Dear %Capital(%TOFNAME=+%if:%ABToHandle:%- but do not know what it does! I like the sound (explanation) of RA's template, and sometimes I am puzzled as to how occasionally the way my emails get addressed seems very counter-intuitive! Maybe I'd be better off adopting his. Can anyone please explain to me (not remembering where it came from) what my present template does? Thx A Dummy -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New mail virtual folder in v 2.12
Hello Bat-Folk! Odd behavior I'm just noticing... The VF All New Mail drops messages that are moved from the top level Inbox folder to newly created sub-folders. The VF does not stop displaying any message if moved into an already existing folder but if I create a new folder in the act of CTRL-M moving such a new mssg it is lost from the list of ALL new mssgs. The problem is that the VF properties Select Folders dialog does not have new folders checked. Is there a way to tell my New Mail VF to keep up with newly created folders? (Closing and restarting TB! does not help.) Thx all, Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal. - Henry Ford Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf
JK I modified this slightly to catch the newer *.zip stock spams, and it
JK missed a few, so I made an even more drastic change:
JK TB! Message Filter
JK beginFilter
JK UID: [7EBEA000.01C7D515.6990CCD5.54269A30]
JK Name: Uncaught\20Spam
JK Filter: {\0D\0A\20`4`2`^$\0D\0A0`16`0`2\0D\0A}
JK SetMemo Text blank\0D\0A
JK MarkRead
JK MoveMessage folder \5C\5C\5C$JUNK$
JK IsActive
JK Ignore
JK endFilter
JK Note that this will catch ALL messages with empty text plus attachments of
JK any sort. Seems to be doing the job for me, but best check the Junk folder
JK before wiping it just in case some wanted mail gets trapped...
JK I pasted it into Common Folder Incoming, as the last filter in the chain,
JK and applied to all my active accounts.
Will this filter work under TB! v 2.12 if I paste it into my Sorting
Office?
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Re[2]: Useful filter to catch those blank spam+pdf
RG Will this filter work under TB! v 2.12 if I paste it into my Sorting RG Office? RO You could've tried it instead of asking. :-) RO I think that the filter won't even paste in your sorting office v3 has RO a different filter structure than v1/v2. I /did/ paste it into my sorting office but I looked thru the different screens of that filter and couldn't find any actions for it to perform. I don't trust my knowledge of this to be sure I didn't miss something. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
GMAIL and SpamPal
Hello Bat-Folk! Using TB! v2.12 I have SENDing thru GMAIL's POP working (TLS + port 465). I can also RECV from GMAIL's POP. (TLS + port 995, regular auth). I want to use SPAMPAL as I used to but so far I am unable to revc thru SPAMPAL.. The login userID for GMail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] As instructed, I have altered the POP server to 127.0.0.1 and alter my userID = [EMAIL PROTECTED]@pop.gmail.com but that does not work. My old settings (that worked before GMAIL settings) were POP server to 127.0.0.1 and userID = [EMAIL PROTECTED] where OK for Spampal. I guess it's the 2 @ signs in the userID field that are screwing me up! Also, Gmail changes my FROM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not what my original from was Hu Any help folks? Thx all Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMAIL and SpamPal
RG I can RECV from GMAIL's POP. (TLS + port 995). RG I want to use SPAMPAL (proxy client) but so far am unable to. RG The login userID for GMail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] RG As instructed, I have altered the POP server to 127.0.0.1 and RG altered my userID to = [EMAIL PROTECTED]@pop.gmail.com but that does RG not work. I guess it's the 2 @ signs in the userID field that are RG screwing me up! OK, it is NOT the 2 @s that are screwing me up... 2 @s work under EarthLink with normal port and regular authentication. It looks like TLS + port 995 that doesn't work thru the SpamPal. Anyone? -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Love your neighbors, but don't pull down the fence. - Chinese Proverb Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder view shortcut keys
Hello Bat-Folk! Is the (in v2.12) a shortcut key combo to toggle between the VIEW ALL FOLDERS tab and the VIEW UNREAD FOLDERS tab? Thx RichieG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Never trust a computer you can't throw out a window. -- Steve Wozniak Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Managing Sent Mail
RG It looks like maybe I want to change the source folder but the Sorting RG Office GUI does not allow that (that field is grayed out). RO But you didn't make an outgoing filter at all. The filter you posted RO was an incoming filter. RO Go to the sorting office RO Select 'Outgoing filters' RO Create a new filter RO You'll see that the source folder is set as 'Outbox' That is exactly what I did. The rule (still located in the OUTGOING MAIL section) changed all by itself to in Incoming rule! Totally reproducible! Every time I create a rule under OUTGOING MAIL then close and re-open the sorting office ALL the OUTGOING rules say SOURCE FOLDER = INBOX! Hu -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Managing Sent Mail
RG Every time I create a rule under OUTGOING MAIL then close and re-open RG the sorting office ALL the OUTGOING rules say SOURCE FOLDER = INBOX! RO It's possible that youe sorting office is somewhat corrupted. RO Make a copy (for safe keeping) of your account.srx file. (Or even RO better, create a copy of all of your account.* files) RO Tell TB to create a backup of your account properties (sorting office RO only would be better, but that can't be done with v3, so I guess it RO can't be done with v2 either) RO Close TB Open TB Restore the backup Close TB Open TB RO Try your outgoing filter sequence again Same thing happening!!! :( My installation is entirely on a mapped network drive... I wonder if that matters. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. - Mae West, 1936 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
All new mail virtual folder
Hello Bat-Folk! I had (then accidently deleted) a virtual folder that showed ALL UNREAD email in the account. I see where I can create a virtual folder (and a common virtual folder) but I do not see where I tell these folders that they are for only unread messages. (I assume a common folder reads multiple accounts.) How/where is that folder recreated (using TB! 2.12)? Thanks all, Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: All new mail virtual folder
[I want] a virtual folder that showed ALL UNREAD email in the account. I do not see where I tell these folders that they are for only unread messages. MG Isn't it Right Click on Folder itself Properties Filter etc? Ah HA! Yes, it is a filter applied to the folder. I didn't even see any filter options before as they do not show up until the filter box is checked... No wonder I spaced it. Thx mch RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all. Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Managing Sent Mail
BM I want to keep sent mail in the Sent Mail folder but not BM those redirected to the office. Is there any way to do BM that? Create an outgoing filter that checks whether the sent message has the office as addressee and also contains the Resent-from: header. Have that filter execute your preferred action: deleting, moving to a dedicated folder or whatever. BM Nice clean solution - thanks Roelof! Very similar situation here but this, my 1st attempt at an outgoing filter in ver 2.12, failed for me. :( Mssg comes in and as it stands now, based on its TO address, is caught by an incoming filter that: 1- Marks the mssg as read 2- Moves it to the folder for that TO address 3- Redirects it to a cell phone I also do not need or want this stored in SENT mail so I tried to make an outgoing mail filter. It looks like maybe I want to change the source folder but the Sorting Office GUI does not allow that (that field is grayed out). Thanks, Rich BeginFilter Name: Sent to cell Active: 1 Source: \\account\Inbox Target: \\account\Trash CopyFolder: none MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actions: faDelMsg AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before. - Mae West, 1936 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Missing folders
Hello Bat-Folk! Using old-timey version 2.12... Is there a way to force TB! to inspect the account folder tree to make sure that there are no mail boxes missing? I have sub-folders on the hard drive under the mail account's top level folder that definitely have mail databases in them but that do not seem to appear in the folder list from within the application. In-box folders were created in The Bat! on another PC. When we copied the folder tree to this PC some folders do not appear. Some are sub-sub- folders so comparing the 2 PCs would be a pain... Is there a way to get TB! to re-read the drive's folder tree under the account main folder? Thx all, Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Missing folders
rg Is there a way to force TB! to re-read the folder tree under the rg main account folder to make sure that there are no mail boxes rg missing? PM The undocumented shortcut ctrl+shift+alt+L does exactly this. MP Unless you have a non-typical setup like: MP System (OS) on HD F and The Bat! on HD D. MP In that case the shortcut does something that comes as close as close can be MP to nothing! :-( FWIW - Works fine here (Thank you very much) - EXCEPT it 'finds' the ATTACHMENTS folder and complains that it has a bad mail database in it. OS on C: TB! on M: Mail folder on M: under TB! prgm folder Probably always does this anyway, no matter where the folders are I am guessing. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either. Just pretty much leave me the hell alone. Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to check if AVG Plugin is actually working?
How can I be sure it is working? Is anyone else running AVG that might have an idea? My AVG install looks different! In the AVG control panel's email section it says that the plug-in for TB is being used BUT in TB under Options|Preferences|Plugins there is no plug-in listed! -- Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Add folder to account tree
Hello Bat-Folk! For safety's sake I had temporarily moved TB to a temp PC while doing some heavy maintenance on my real machine. In the time that TB! ran from that temp PC I had created a new folder under the INBOX. Now that the real PC is restored and ready for action again I have copied the new mail folders there but the new folder is not showing up in the tree! What do I need to do??? Thx all, Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering on [] in subject string
rg I have a spam filter meant to trigger if a subject line contains rg [SPAM]. ... the filter is ignoring the brackets ... as any message rg with SPAM anywhere in the subject line is being sent to the spam rg folder. rg Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools NOT to rg ignore the brackets? IAW Try a \ before each [ or ] to make the [ or ] seen literally. Old string = [SPAM] New string = \[SPAM\] With the old string the filter ignored the []s so ANY message with SPAM in the subject (no matter with or without the []s) was placed in the junk folder. With the new string the the filter does nothing. Any message with SPAM or [SPAM] ends up in the inbox like any other unfiltered message. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering on [] in subject string
IAW Try a \ before each [ or ] to make the [ or ] seen literally. rg Old string = [SPAM] rg New string = \[SPAM\] rg With the old string the filter ignored the []s so ANY message with SPAM rg in the subject (no matter with or without the []s) was placed in the rg junk folder. rg With the new string the the filter does nothing. Any message with SPAM rg or [SPAM] ends up in the inbox like any other unfiltered message. IAW Going back to your original message I notice that you use the word IAW contains. When you use a regexp in your filter, you have to use IAW matches. In the sorting office screen where you set up the filters I have String = \[SPAM\] Location = Subject Presence = Yes I do not see anything that says either contains or matches Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: When we see men of worth, we should think of equaling them; when we see men of a contrary character, we should turn inwards and examine ourselves. - Confucius Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Exporting to Apple
I, on the other hand, have 20K messages and do like TB!, so will stick with it even if I switch also. ASK Buying (expensive) Apple hardware to run Windows (requires an extra ASK license) on it just to use TB sounds a little bit contradictory to me. I didn't se any comments about running TB! under a WINE environment. Has the WINE work-around been dismissed as a less attractive than these newer Apple tricks? Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Blame someone else and get on with your life. - Alan Woods Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering on [] in subject string
Hello Bat-Folk! I have a spam filter meant to trigger if a subject line contains [SPAM]. It seems as though the filter is ignoring the brackets though as any message with SPAM anywhere in the subject line is being sent to the spam folder. Must I do something special to alert the filtering tools to not ignore the brackets? Thx RG (Using TB! 2.12) -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Indecision is the key to flexibility. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing Received Messages
U So forward it to yourself and change the subject line. But that would alter the correct sender ID and time stamp. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: A liberal is a person whose interests aren't at stake at the moment. - Willis Player Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editing Received Messages
EC In fact there where numerous discussions on this topic. TF True, but [un]resolved. UNRESOLVABLE. This topic is similar in tone to a religious war for some reason! Those who insist that the integrity of an email should be unassailable seem wholly unable to compromise. Nobody else cares, and those who want to be able to do this feel vilified! EC Personally I also think an eMail should not be altered. I'd ask why but we're getting too OT (the topic was: How do I...?) I'll simply say that I think email SHOULD be fully alterable if you want to for any reason whatsoever. It is after all YOUR email in YOUR database. I often fix emails that I've received to ensure better data in my message database. Mostly it is a subject line edit, sometimes it is to correct the message contents. For example, I'll correct an email when someone might send me their contact info but omit or typo something. I also edit EVERY message from PayPal to remove the footer and to clean up the message so that it prints one order to (only) one page. Lastly, since to me it is preferable to keep the time stamp and sender's email address intact, emailing messages back to myself is not an option. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. - Jerome K. Jerome Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Synchronization of The Bat!
rg How about a networked mail folder and two BATs that both reference rg that same database? If one machine is a laptop you would need to rg start your VPN and map that drive letter before opening up TB! AS I have found that Windows VPN is very slow, and I really do mean AS very. Even on the same network I only get transfer rates of about AS one MB/s or less. Working with larger folders is very difficult that AS way. Actually what I've been doing is using the VPN to connect to my LAN, then using VNC to remotely control the PC that is running TB!. The only VPN traffic is the screen redraws at 16 colors! As long as the office PC and the LAN stay up this has been acceptable (except on dial-up!). AS I'm therefore using Windows Offline Folders to synchronize the AS laptops. When detached, they take with them the most recent message AS base and when reconnected, they synchronize to the latest updates. If AS something important comes up while not connected, the laptop can AS always fetch or send new mail by itself and synchronize again later, AS of course. Wouldn't you then end up with 2 identical folders that now cannot be synced properly? Wouldn't each one now have data the other does not have so neither can overwrite the other without loss of something? Later, RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel. - Bart Simpson Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Organization header line
From: Alto [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Command Computers) I see your Organization header line is set equal to Command Computers. I am using TB! 2.12 and in OPTIONS PREFERENCES MESSAGE HEADERS I do not see a way for me to edit that! Anyone? Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Synchronization of The Bat!
rg What we are NOT addressing in these replies to the original Q is: rg What if the 2 PCs are accessing the mail database at the same time? AS I've already used this setup in a working environment and have seen no AS problems. It seems that the file accesses are exclusified properly. AS If e.g. a second machine wrote a new message in a folder that the AS first machine was currently displaying, the message didn't show up on AS the first machine's display on the spot but only when the folder was AS selected again. But this is almost expected behaviour and I don't see AS any problem with that. 1. Can anyone verify that the exclusivity also works properly under 2.12? 2. In that case - could 2 LAN PCs, each with it's own set of user specific mail folders, also access a shared network folder hierarchy? Hum. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Synchronization of The Bat!
G Is it possible to sync two or more instances of The Bat!, if they are G not collocated? IOW, if both machines are set to automatically check G for mail and there is a passage of time in transit between the two G machines, can they really be accurately synchronized?? AS Sure: Just copy the mailbase files to the second installation. How about a networked mail folder and two BATs that both reference that same database? If one machine is a laptop you would need to start your VPN and map that drive letter before opening up TB! of course... Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Gee whiz, it must be obvious day at camp stupid - Master Shake Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Synchronization of The Bat!
G Is it possible to sync two or more instances of The Bat!, if they G are not collocated? IOW, if both machines are set to automatically G check for mail and there is a passage of time in transit between G the two machines, can they really be accurately synchronized?? rg How about a networked mail folder and two BATs that both reference that rg same database? rg If one machine is a laptop you would need to start your VPN and map that rg drive letter before opening up TB! of course... G I'm seriously considering that option, but I'm having access problems G with the VPN VPNs can be very tricky... Windows does have PPTP built in and maybe a good firewall router will handle the incoming laptop connection for you, no need to have 2 PCs 'doing' VPN, just the remote (laptop?) PC and the router get it on the local LAN. (If you have Qs here write me, I do this for a living.) What we are NOT addressing in these replies to the original Q is: What if the 2 PCs are accessing the mail database at the same time? Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply. The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey. - John Ruskin Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! still has negative image
RA I have a text file (called synonyms.txt) of synonyms for the bat in RA various languages in my mail directory. It contains the following RA lines: RO Why so many duplicates between them? I have several TXT files for cookies, tips, etc with duplicates of lines which I'd like to see repeated more often than the rest. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends. - Herbert Hoover Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Account log size
Hello Bat-Folk! In v2.12 is there a way to increase the size of the account log? It is only storing about 2 hours worth of activity. Thx all, R -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: filter forgetting its hot key trigger
Oy - How odd -- All of a sudden a filter has decided to forget its hot key trigger and every time I need to use this filter I have to first open the sorting office and edit the filter to again remember this key combination as the execute trigger! CW Odd. Has a newly installed application possibly taken that key CW combination over? No, nothing has stolen CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-E. But, today it works... Odd indeed! RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. - Pablo Picasso Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
filter forgetting its hot key trigger
Hello Bat-Folk! Oy - How odd -- All of a sudden a filter has decided to forget its hot key trigger and every time I need to use this filter I have to first open the sorting office and edit the filter to again remember this key combination as the execute trigger! Anyone? (I'm on TB! v 2.12.) Thx much Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Nicknames/Handles in Templates
Maybe it would just better to use the standard and then use an addressee template for those whose nicknames aren't the same as their first names. It may be less work in the end. M Even less work would be to just put the nickname in the first name M field. After much stealing of other list members' ideas I came up with the following template. I do not really know how it works, except to say that it works well! /-- Begin template Hi %Capital(%TOFNAME=+%if:%ABToHandle:%- %if:'%ABToHandle''%ABToFirstName':'%ABToHandle':'%ABToFirstName':%ABToFirstName+) %Cursor -- Random tagline:%- %SETPATTREGEXP='(.*?)(?:\n)?(.*)'%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH(%COOKIE=m:\progra~1\thebat~1\sigs.txt)%- %WRAPPED(%SUBPATT(1)) %SUBPATT(2)%- /-- End template -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Never confuse movement with action. - Ernest Hemingway Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bulk e-mailling ideas
Hello Bat-Folk! Thus far I have used TB! for my small email lists sending no more than several dozen messages at any one time. I have a request now from a customer (a band, actually) who wants me to send out the weekly email to the fan base. 4000 emails a week. OK, so the issue is OT and not not really a bat issue but I am hoping someone here may have insight on what kind of issues I may be up against. (Due to the OT nature of this request perhaps you folks could reply directly to me? Thanks all, Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Blame someone else and get on with your life. - Alan Woods Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why is The Bat's mail being rejected?
J Any prediction as to what they'll say? PN As a former technical support Product Specialist for BellSouth's --- 8 --- snip, snip --- [edited for brevity] To second that, I was 3rd tier tech support for ATT's NOC and THAT didn't help me when MY domain was ATT blacklisted. It STILL took going thru several channels of departments (that I'd never even previously knew existed, and thru the same channels any schmuck from the public would have to go thru) to get OFF that BL. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Voyager w/v2.12
Hello Bat-Folk! If I use TB! Voyager will I be able to work with my v2.12 mail database, then sync the changes with my PC when I get home? Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager w/v2.12
If I use TB! Voyager will I be able to work with my v2.12 mail database, then sync the changes with my PC when I get home? ASK The Voyager license is included in the TB Pro license. You have to ASK update to the most recent TB release in order to use Voyager. Yea, I expected to have to pay for the upgrade... I would just not use the newer version, I'd stick with v2.12, therefore the question. I am happy with the way 2.12 has been working for me and re-doing all the filters, templates and anything else that may not move over easily has been what's been stopped me from moving to v3.x. ASK However, as far as I know there is no synchronisation feature ASK between TB and Voyager. But you can create a backup and restore it ASK on the other installation. I am hoping that the database files are indeed interchangeable, as the voyager sounds like exactly what I need. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday... lying in hospitals dying of nothing. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager w/v2.12
However, ... there is no synchronisation feature between TB and Voyager. But you can create a backup and restore it on the other installation. ND Quite honestly, the reason I use Voyager is so I don't have to try and ND sync anything. I just take it with me wherever I go! What would you do if you lost your Voyager? I rely on my email message database like I rely on Oxygen! My message database is on a raid box. What I do now when I travel is to use the ISP's webmail interface and try not to send anything unless it's urgent. I just mostly delete spams and make calls based on the new mail, then do the real replying when I get home! I *MUST* be able to sync Voyager to v2.12, and yes, if this can be done thru backup/restore operations that'll work. I would consider buying the v3 license and just not use it! Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends. - Herbert Hoover Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder specific view modes
rg In ver 2.12 is there a way to set this or that folder to use a rg different view mode than the rest of the folders? I see in the rg folder properties general tab an unavailable option to Edit view rg mode. Why is this unavailable? PB While you wait for more competent replies, you set each folder to PB no view mode. Think this stops you settings from being overwritten PB by any standard setting. Ah! The view mode options do not alter the real MODE of the view, only the columnar options. I was hoping that folder specific view modes would allow me to say folderA is HTML views and folderB is plain text view mode. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder specific view modes
The view mode options do not alter the real MODE of the view, only the columnar options. I was hoping that folder specific view modes would allow me to say folderA is HTML views and folderB is plain text view mode. MM Might be, or might not be again, that it can be solved somehow by MM some macro/regex/[q]uick ( [d]irty) [t]emplate self-triggered MM within The Wanted View Mode which would trigger the command MM otherwise triggered (remember the Trigger from Only Fools And MM Horses?) manually (pardon my expression) when the Ctrl+Alt+Tab is MM used to switch to the HTML/plain text view. It sounds a bit MM complicated (convoluted?) AH! (Another thing learned today about TB!) Ctrl+Alt+Tab will swap the view mode manually. That does indeed help me! But, you are right, there may be a code jockey who could template a way to make each view folder specific as desired. MM A beautiful fresh rain here folks. Enjoy my enjoyment. I hope you MM are all well, to a reasonable and deserved extent, and that you are MM able to (p)reserve some quality time for pork and to cogitate, or MM ruminate, or simply mull and chew over origin and intention of MM universe, for without it the water never would...have been wet, MM which is most fascinating and above all significant, since a dry MM universe is a sadness that grinds and whines. I very much hope you enjoy your enjoyment. I would enjoy that. We should all be so lucky! Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings; they did it by killing all those who opposed them. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder specific view modes
rg In ver 2.12 is there a way to set this or that folder to use a different rg view mode than the rest of the folders? rg I see in the folder properties general tab an unavailable option to rg Edit view mode. Why is this unavailable? PB While you wait for more competent replies, you set each folder to no PB view mode. PB Think this stops you settings from being overwritten by any standard PB setting. Ah! The view mode options do not alter the real MODE of the view, only the columnar options. I was hoping that folder specific view modes would allow me to say folderA is HTML views and folderB is plain text view mode. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder specific view modes
Hello Bat-Folk! In ver 2.12 is there a way to set this or that folder to use a different view mode than the rest of the folders? I see in the folder properties general tab an unavailable option to Edit view mode. Why is this unavailable? Thx all RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: First things first, but not necessarily in that order. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sanctioned bayes plugins (redux)
Hello Bat-Folk! On the RitLabs site downloads page there are 3 anti spam downloads available. Bayes Filter Plugin by Achim Winkler BayesIt! by Alexey Vinogradov Agava Antispamservant Plugin Anyone care to comment on these? Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry. - Oscar Wilde Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sanctioned bayes plugins (redux)
rg Bayes Filter Plugin by Achim Winkler rg BayesIt! by Alexey Vinogradov rg Agava Antispamservant Plugin rg - Anyone care to comment on these? MP Rich has missed one. MP ,--/ from a message from Marek Mikus: \ MP | developer of AntispamSniper released FREE version of its plugin, this version MP | misses some advanced features (DNSBL, deleting spam on server, Anti-phishing MP | etc.), but it is fully functional and with no trial. MP | MP | Download: http://antispamsniper.com/thebat_plugin.html MP | MP | Upgrade info: http://antispamsniper.com/upgrade.html MP `-8--- MP After trying it out for ± a month I have paid for the commercial version. Actually, I didn't miss it.. I was just quoting from the RitLabs web site... I am in fact trying this product now myself but am always looking for greener grass. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Find all templates in v2.12
Hello Bat-Folk! Having just moved ALL TB! folders and files from the C: to the M: drive I am now in the process of editing the macros and templates to reflect the new files locations. Hopefully, someone here can help make easier for me... Is there a way to FIND all the templates that need editing? That I had to edit the account template was a no-brainer, hence I pulled it off, but, in the rest of the folders some have templates, many do not. Is there a way to look at some file or the folder tree and see which folders have template in 'em? Thx all, Rich OH! Look... There's one now (see below!) -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Cannot open file c:\progra~1\thebat~1\sigs.txt Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AntispamSniper in Commercial and FREE version
Anyone trying this new AntispamSniper switch from SpamPal and have the same favorable input as the K9 converts do? MC I moved from Spampal (due to it's increasing uselessness) to K9 and MC now onto AntispamSniper. Increasingly useless? I do not understand. At any rate... Is AntispamSniper a plug-in or a proxy? I suppose I do not care much which it is BUT if not a proxy I would be able to use X-RAY. It's a proxy and I have yet to get TWO proxies to work together. Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AntispamSniper in Commercial and FREE version
I'm hesitant to try another [plugin] - the two bayes based antispam plugins for TB that I tried sooner or later started to crap out (or refused to work right from the start). MM I have used K9 and other external antispams and then used all MM antispam plugins created for The Bat!, started with BayesIt, then MM Bayes Filter Plugin, then AGAVA and I am using AntispamSniper for 6 MM months. And AntispamSniper is the winner. MM I can't compare it with K9, because I have used K9 more then two MM years ago, but I like plugin more than external application. Watching this thread and I have seen this AntispamSniper compared to K9 but not to SpamPal proxy with the Bayesian module. Still teaching it and though it doesn't seem too bad I do *occasionally* see TB! lock up at the importing messages part at the end of downloading new mail. It only happens when there are a couple of hundred new messages to retrieve and I am tempted to blame SpamPal. Anyone trying this new AntispamSniper switch from SpamPal and have the same favorable input as the K9 converts do? Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v2.12 filter redirection
Hello Bat-Folk! Hey Team Bat! Rich here running TB! v2.12 and I now have a filter that REDIRECTS certain incoming mssgs. OK? OK. PROBLEM: They sit in the Outbox UNSENT! How can I force an instant send for this filter? Thx all RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I would have made a good Pope. - Richard M. Nixon (1913-1994) Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Hello Bat-Folk! -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I'd hate to be a teetotaller. Imagine getting up and knowing that's as good as you're going to feel all day. - Dean Martin Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: ISP's Blocking TheBat
L I haven't run into this, but I'm quite new to TB. L Why does this happen? IAW If you have the X-Mailer option checked under IAW Options|Preferences|General, then The Bat! is identified in the IAW message headers. This is what they check to make their arbitrary IAW decision. Unckeck this and all should be OK. Once upon a time some spammer(s) did choose to use TB! due to it's configuriblity. This lead to some ISPs decision to simply ban TB! traffic than to expend any effort toward better filters. This practice is seeming hard coded into some ISPs' thinking (/or hardware software even maybe) to this day. This is the reason that the option even exists under the options menu to choose to not include TB! as the X-Mailer. IAW Maybe RITLabs needs to allow the user to enter whatever text they want IAW there! Wasn't there an .EXE hack for TB! some versions ago, before that option made it's way into TB!, that would allow you to do just that? Richie -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and leaky tire. Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tips on startup
My v2.12 has stopped showing me the Tips on startup. I cannot find in the Preferences anywhere to re-enable the tips. Anyone? MM Help | Tip of The Day | Display The Tip Of The Day at startup MM (The file with the tips is in the folder where you keep thebat.exe and is MM named Thebat.tip.) Yea, years of using TB! but still like to see those tips I need less often and can never remember. I have edited the TIPs file to remove the ones I do not need to be reminded of but I have also added several tips not in the original file. Several of my custom tips are of the 'daily affirmation type... One says I Love You. Others may tell me what a great body I have or how handsome I am. Some just insult me. (HEY! I am NOT fat!) :) -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it. - Groucho Marx Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tips on startup
Hello Bat-Folk! My v2.12 has stopped showing me the Tips on startup. This was immediately after moving the message databases to a networked drive. I cannot find in the Preferences anywhere to re-enable the tips. Anyone? Thx Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. - Frank Zappa Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Revise message filter stopped working
RG I have a Revise message filter that has stopped working for some RG reason! (The Bat! v 2.12) RG The filter is supposed to be used as follows: RG Highlight an email mssg that needs to be edited. RG Press SHIFT-CTRL-ALT-E to invokes the filter that RG 1) calls a BAT file then RG 2) imports the edited mssg back into TB. RG What is now happening is that the import no longer waits for me to RG complete the editing step. By the time I have edited the TXT file it RG has long ago been reimported to TB! RG How do these things 'just happen' all by themselves!?!? Since we know they do not happen all by themselves... I found the offending glitch... The default text editor had changed. -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Don't be so humble - you are not that great. - Golda Meir (1898-1978) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Revise message filter stopped working
Hello Bat-Folk! I have a Revise message filter that has stopped working for some reason! (The Bat! v 2.12) The filter is supposed to be used as follows: Highlight an email mssg that needs to be edited. Press SHIFT-CTRL-ALT-E to invokes the filter that 1) calls a BAT file then 2) imports the edited mssg back into TB. What is now happening is that the import no longer waits for me to complete the editing step. By the time I have edited the TXT file it has long ago been reimported to TB! How do these things 'just happen' all by themselves!?!? Thanks all Rich Here are the filter and the external BATch file it calls so you folks can see what it is. BeginFilter Name: Revise Message Active: 1 Source: \\account\Inbox Target: \\account\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 00 Actions: faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoRunDetached,faoManualOnly,faoHotKey,faoHKCheckMsg,faoSaveUnix,faoHotKeyOnly AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: c:\progra~1\thebat~1\editmsg.bat ExtFile: c:\temp\edit.txt ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 57413 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter === editmsg.bat === start /max /wait c:\temp\edit.txt c:\progra~1\thebat~1\thebat.exe /importu=account;f=Inbox;X;R;IN=c:\temp\edit.txt === -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Virtual folder filtered by hours
Hello Bat-Folk! In v2.12 is there a way to tell a NEW MAIL virtual folder to display only those mssgs that are less than 72 hours old? Thx Richie -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day; teach that person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virtual folder filtered by hours
rg In v2.12 is there a way to tell a NEW MAIL virtual folder to rg display only those mssgs that are less than 72 hours old? PO As it has been quite some moons ago since I used that one, have a PO look at: [ your VF | Properties | Filter ] Do you have Age PO available as filter condition? If so, configure it as Age is less PO than 3 days. That should do the job. I did look at the properties|filters screen but alas, no. There is no AGE option there. :( -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. - Jimmy Carter Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Google desktop
Forgive me if this has been talked about already, but does anyone know if there are plans to create a Google Desktop plugin so that it can index email files from The Bat? Marek You can downlaod it here: Marek http://www.vgirlos2.narod.ru/thebat.HTML JH I've downloaded it, installed it, and given it time to index my JH messages. When I enter keywords into Google desktop that I know it JH will find in my email, no email from The Bat! shows up in the list. Is JH there something else I'm supposed to be doing? There may be a check box that needs attention in the GDS prefs. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Printing html
JP The font becomes extremely large when printing a html message. A JP single page became seven pages upon printing. SC Not seeing the large print problem here. I occasionally see emails print in a very, very tiny font size. I have to exit TB! and restart to 'fix' it. (Version 2.12) Is this something others see? Better yet is there a known fix? Thx all Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: A day without sunshine is like night. Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bat Scheduler and Backups
B ... does TheBat Scheduler require the full Bat application to be B running Sorry to have missed (many?) days of this topic... Does the scheduler in version 2.12 allow BACKUP as an action to add? I cannot find how. Thx all Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. - Thomas Alva Edison Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
'nother filter question: To remove text from Subject line
Hello Bat-Folk! Here's another filter question I would much appreciate help with. Many of my received mssgs have a snippet of text inserted into the subject line by either (or both) of the mail servers my email goes thru. This snippets always start with [ and end with ]. If someone can advise how to do the following I would be very grateful. IF snippet = [SPAM] do nothing IF snippet = [anything/else] remove snippet including the []s. If the decision making part of the filter is too complex I would be happy just to remove ALL [snippets]. (Using TB! v 2.12) Maybe someone here could make a side business out of making filters for me! Thanks all. Richie G -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday today is the tomorrow you dreamed about yesterday. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Aletrnatives to AVG?
Anybody know a way to test the functionality of whatever AV is being used? There are TEST virus files from EICAR. See: http://www.eicar.org/ The files themselves are at: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm IIRC there are .COM, .EXE, .ZIP versions and maybe more. Try to email them to yourself. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RegEx not perfect (yet)
Hello Bat-Folk! The RegEx we worked on seems to work but only sometimes as today this email (header excerpt) got thru: Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Linda A. Liar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: =?iso-8859-1?B?UG9wdWxhciBwaWxscyAtICQyLjk5L2Rvc2U=?= Here's the selective download KILL filter: BeginFilter Name: Bogus sale Active: 1 Source: \\Account\Inbox Target: \\Account\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: (?!Real name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actions: fkoDetectHeader AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: DelAddrItems: HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 4 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter Any ideas? Thx mucho Richie G -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RegEx not perfect (yet)
The RegEx we worked on seems to work but only sometimes as today this email (header excerpt) got thru: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM We worked on Name address, at your own request, not on address. MM That's the reason why Linda Wily Liar got through this what we didn't MM work on. Sure, we worked on that! Don't you remember? ;) (OK, maybe you did all the coding work but I did spec out the job!) Actually, my original request for help DID mention that A) any name that does not = Real Name OR B) any name that is BLANK should be killed. The examples I gave were something like this: Good email:Real Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bad email :Incorrect Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bad email :[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the above example of a spam that did make it thru the name field was blank. Actually now I am seeing emails come in with random characters added as part of the good address such as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very distressing! I wonder (Batters) what more we can do! MM What she has offered this time? Enlargement again? (-: You could offer MM her a shrinkment in friendly return. Wouldn't it be more polite to offer my enlargement to her in return? (Oh, did I say that out loud?) Thank you all Richie G -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RegEx not perfect (yet)
Sure, we worked on that! Don't you remember? ;) MM Could I forget it? You were silent for a while and I already wanted to MM ask you how it goes with the last killer-filter. I wondered if you had MM wrecked more mails due to some typo/bad retyping then you wished to... No, a family emergency has been / continues to take all my time. It continues to keep my mind elsewhere. :( Actually, my original request for help DID mention that MM Yes I remember this request, it was interesting, and I did already MM give you one very good solution, but...will be that you are not MM very willing, or at least are hesitant, to change a bit some MM routines... okay, that's not a problem, you will have just to have MM more filters/work to do then. Let us see... I am not understanding this paragraph too well... I am indeed open to doing what I must (or thought I was!) but I do not remember any solution other than: (?!Real Name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Which we now know does not work entirely. If I remember correctly I was wondering if I would need more than 1 filter... What was odd was that it seemed to do as hoped in my tests! A) any NAME that does not = Real Name -- OR B) any NAME that is BLANK-- Should be killed MM Yep. Okay... Well, nothing then, you just will have to add another MM filter which will destroy yet on server all what is not addressed to MM [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can do it by treating entire MM header part, with _no_ specific TO, CC etc. field. MM It means, any message which doesn't have address MM [EMAIL PROTECTED] in its header part will be MM exterminated from server (the filter is in the flat forefootnote).[1] I am embarrassed to say I do not understand what you are saying here. (As I said, my mind is very much elsewhere these days.) The filter below I do not understand either. Can you please tell me exactly what it is to do? All can see (I think I understand) is that it looks for ANY mail with [EMAIL PROTECTED] somewhere in the header... Then what does it do??? (fkoDetectHeader??) Thank you very much Rich MM BeginFilter MM Name: For Linda A. Liar 2 MM Active: 1 MM Source: \\Account\Inbox MM Target: \\Account\Inbox MM CopyFolder: none MM MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MM Actions: fkoDetectHeader MM AddGroups: MM DelGroups: MM ForwardTemplate: MM ConfirmTemplate: MM ReplyTemplate: MM FwdAddr: MM RedirectAddr: MM NewAddr: MM NewTemplate: MM ExtCmd: MM ExtFile: MM ExtractDir: MM ColourGroup: default MM AddAddrItems: MM DelAddrItems: MM HotKey: 0 MM IsOfColour: default MM SizeBigger: 0 MM SizeSmaller: 0 MM AgeOlder: 0 MM AgeNewer: 0 MM InAddrPos: 0 MM OutAddrPos: 0 MM InAddrGroups: MM NoAddrGroups: MM KillFile: MM KillMethod: 0 MM SaveTemplate: MM SndFile: MM SysSound: 0 MM SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 MM AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 MM EndFilter -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: You will not remember the words of your enemies, only the silence of your friends. Martin Luther King Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Plugin to integrate The Bat! with Google Desktop
I have to assume this plugin was talked about in this list or in TBUDL, where was I then? ASK It was indeed talking about quite a while ago when an earlier version ASK wasn't running for most people. :-) I did some testing with the developer to fix the issues spoke about here... It seems those things are indeed fixed but there is another item on the wish list... At present (read: Last I heard) the plugin requires you to select folders to index from the plugin properties screen in TB! The issue is that if you create a new folder and have selected to index ALL folders it is still not included for indexing. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
MM The regex is correct, tested, confirmed, works like most MM skilled... Oh. :( Now I see that the regex is NOT working. I did do tests and it worked then BUT real life (non-test) messages are getting thru. Below I have copied the filter (with a couple of security edits) as TB! sees it... Anyone? Thx RG BeginFilter Name: Bogus email to PP sale address Active: 1 Source: \\accountname\Inbox Target: \\accountname\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: (?!Good Real Name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actions: fkoDetectRcpt AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: DelAddrItems: HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 4 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Conditional 2.12 filter
Hello Bat-Folk! Thanks for all the help again in this latest wave of filter tuning! I have another request for assistance: I'd like a selective download filter that will only delete an email if 1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in the TO: or CC: fields AND 2) [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NOT the sender I have been testing some filters as incoming mail filters and when satisfied that they are OK I have dragged them to the selective filter section however they end up with 10 or 40 now magically included in the signal strings. What gives? Thanks again, all Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday today is the tomorrow you dreamed about yesterday. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Virtual folder strangeness
Hello Bat-Folk! I successfully set up a new VF that only displays NEW mssgs. As with all my folders, it is sorted by date recv'd with newer mssgs at the bottom. Strangely, sometimes when I delete a mssg from this folder the selection highlight jumps up, selecting some other place much higher (older) in the list. A known bug? A setting? Hummm. PS -- What does store state between sessions mean? Thanks all Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virtual folder strangeness
What does store state between sessions mean? C It means that the contents of the virtual folder (i.e., those C messages that matched the filter) will be remembered between C invocations of The Bat! Without it, The Bat! will rescan the search C folders each time it starts up. This way, it will always have the C latest messages. However, it may be slower. If you do choose to C preserve the state between sessions, you can always force a rescan C by pressing ESC. Is there ever a time when you would not want this checked? The only changes to TB!'s database are via TB! so how else could the contents of the VF change? Thx RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: As a human being, one has been endowed with just enough intelligence to be able to see clearly how utterly inadequate that intelligence is when confronted with what exists. - Albert Einstein Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: VF show all NEW mssgs only
RG Is there a way to create a new virtual folder in v2.12 that will RG hold only UNREAD messages from selected folders? RO Yes RG I see how to select folders but not how to only choose UNREAD to RG include in the new VF. RO Create a new virtual folder RO The window you see has two tabs RO Select the 'filter' tab RO On the filter tab you select 'fast search' RO and that will enable you to select 'unread' I tried and failed on the FIRST step! How do you create a new VF? I clicked on the Virtual tab in the folder list pane an right clicked in the empty list. I chose NEWFolder but then nothing happens! (INS doesn't work either.) Thx mucho Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: In the game of life, heredity deals the hand, society makes the rules, but you can still play your own cards. - Dr. Laurence J. Peter Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. MM This regular expression... MM (?!correct_real_name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- 8 --- snip, snip --- [edited for brevity] MM The regex is correct, tested, confirmed, works like most skilled MM mistress, knowing many charming and even explosive and slapstick tricks, MM and yet well and wisely educated so you can even talk with her something MM sensible in pauses. I see you appreciate good regex! I have installed the filter and am off to test it! Thank you much RG -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: First things first, but not necessarily in that order. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filter string question (v2.12)
How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. MM This regular expression... MM (?!correct_real_name) [EMAIL PROTECTED] RG --- 8 --- snip, snip --- [edited for brevity] RG I have installed the filter and am off to test it! Bad news! The filter failed to take any action. I sent 3 mssgs to myself. All at the same email address but with 3 variations on the real name part of the address. ONE was correct and was suppoed to get thru, the other 2 were a wrong name and a blank where the real name would be. All 3 got thru. :( -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Filter string question (v2.12)
How do I to tell the selective download filters that any email 1) containing [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the header 2) AND MISSING the correct real name is to be deleted. MM This regular expression... MM (?!correct_real_name) MM [EMAIL PROTECTED] RG --- 8 --- snip, snip --- [edited for brevity] RG Bad news! The filter failed to take any action. RG I sent 3 mssgs to myself. All at the same email address but with 3 RG variations on the real name part of the address. ONE was correct and RG --- 8 --- snip, snip --- [edited for brevity] OK -- It DOES WORK! Oooppps. I forgot to tell the filter to look at entire header. it was set to look ONLY at originator. She purrs like a kitten now! Thanks! You should do know your regex! -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: Succeed in spite of management. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter string question (v2.12)
DAC On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, 8:51:37 PM, rich gregory wrote: Well, I'd prefer not to leave spam in the inbox. DAC I assumed you were going to delete it. After I sent that mssg I wanted to take it back. I thought my statement above might come off as rude. Sorry. I have some other replies to address as well today and can more completely work through this there so we'll pick this up there, then! Thank you. Rich -- Beautiful Butterfly Displays http://FramedButterflyArt.com Random tagline: In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday today is the tomorrow you dreamed about yesterday. Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
