Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Melissa Reese, On or about Friday, December 13, 2002 at 12:24:41GMT -0800 (which was 3:24 PM in the tropics where I live) Melissa Reese scrawled; MR> As I mentioned, regardless of the number of users of one MR> method or the other, I still feel that "OpenPGP" is a more MR> *reliable standar

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Simon, On 01:00 15.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... > This is the direction that we are moving in: technologies are using more > and more bandwidth as they are developed and increase in popularity. Web > boards, newsgroup downloads,

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Simon, On 21:02 14.12.2002, you [Simon Blake ([EMAIL PROTECTED])] wrote... > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- S/MIME and PGP? :) > which seems to be a very small addition in comparison. *However*, if I > then add my PGP key block to the mail as well,

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Scott, > Don't get me wrong...I see the point of signing and certificates when > dealing with sensitive data and important Emails, but here? I hardly > see the point of the "argument"... Agree. > Just my 2 cents worth. +2 = 4 :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Simon & Allie, If you want to talk about bandwidth...lets look at all the bandwidth in this discussion (the messages themselves) of pros and cons of 2 standards that I usually ignore to begin with...and many were signed as well! ;) Now THAT is some bandwidth... Don't get me wrong...I see the po

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Simon, > ... in this interesting thread about PGP and S/MIME standards,... Thread that I have almost missed because the subject still is "It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm" ;-) -- Best regards Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Us

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Mike, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:03:21 + GMT (15/12/02, 09:03 +0700 GMT), Mike Alexander wrote: >>> ;-) With Outpost, any settings you make are automatically saved. TF>> Well, I wouldn't like this. > Well, yes, Out[post gives you that choice too, > So let's say they are equal top shall

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Thomas, Sunday, December 15, 2002, 1:17:25 AM, you wrote: TF> Hello Mike, TF> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:54:18 + GMT (15/12/02, 01:54 +0700 GMT), TF> Mike Alexander wrote: TF>>> Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I only TF>>> got one or two per app (for example,

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Allie, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:09:10 -0500 GMT (15/12/02, 03:09 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: TF>> Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I TF>> only got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port TF>> and the smtp port at remote server, which I allowed

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Allie, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:13:02 -0500 GMT (15/12/02, 03:13 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: > I haven't used the later versions but I suspect that the method > you're using to configure is a less secure method, in that Kerio no > longer asks for specific port/IP connection permissions.

S/MIME on ML's (was: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm)

Hello Simon, On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:00:05 + GMT (15/12/02, 07:00 +0700 GMT), Simon Blake wrote: ACM This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your ACM public key block repeatedly and with every message you send using ACM S/MIME? In fact, this is my main

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Mike, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:54:18 + GMT (15/12/02, 01:54 +0700 GMT), Mike Alexander wrote: TF>> Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I only TF>> got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port and the TF>> smtp port at remote server, which I allowed)

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hi Simon, @14-Dec-2002, 22:16 Simon Blake said: ACM>> This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending ACM>> your public key block repeatedly and with every message you ACM>> send using S/MIME? In fact, this is my main problem with using ACM>> it. Not yet with TB, although it is wit

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Allie, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:27:50 -0500 your time, you said: S>> That's not the point here at all really, although it is a valid point of S>> course. So are you suggesting that The Bat! should not support S/MIME? S>> And are you suggesting

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Simon [S] wrote:' S> That's not the point here at all really, although it is a valid S> point of course. So are you suggesting that The Bat! should not S> support S/MIME? And are you suggesting or leading

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Julian, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:36:28 + your time, you said: JBL> On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 10:16:51 PM, Simon Blake wrote: ACM>>> This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your ACM>>> public key block repeated

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 10:16:51 PM, Simon Blake wrote: ACM>> This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your public ACM>> key block repeatedly and with every message you send using S/MIME? In ACM>> fact, this is my main problem with using it. > That's not the point

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Allie, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:10:38 -0500 your time, you said: ACM> This is not the case with S/MIME. Can you suppress sending your public ACM> key block repeatedly and with every message you send using S/MIME? In ACM> fact, this is my main pr

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Simon [S] wrote:' S> A 629 byte email signed with my S/MIME certificate weighs in at S> 3,634 bytes. That's only a difference of about 3k, and not the 6k S> you claim to start. The size difference depends on the key size doesn't it? The difference i

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 8:02:38 PM, Simon Blake wrote: > Oh, I see, so personal identity is inconsequential? Okay! And you > consider that TBUDL moderators should decide that PGP should be allowed and > S/MIME not? Umm, that's very interesting indeed :) ...although that would be > ver

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Victor Gonzalez [VG] wrote:' VG> Kerio is definitely hot! I thank you all for your input but VG> since Kerio's installation, shes proven easy maintenance :) I VG> did manage to stop the repetitive confirmations and the only VG> problem to it was the p

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:' TF> Why Victor gets 30 message for one application, I don't know. I TF> only got one or two per app (for example, with TB, the pop port TF> and the smtp port at remote server, which I allowed), save them, TF> and that's i

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Julian, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:39:03 + your time, you said: JBL> One considerable disadvantage is the size overhead of S/MIME messages I would disagree entirely. JBL> the signing process seems to add 6k onto the message size, Not when

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Thomas, Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:56:43 PM, you wrote: TF> Hello Mike, TF> On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:26:58 + GMT (14/12/02, 10:26 +0700 GMT), TF> Mike Alexander wrote: >> Outpost lets you set up permissions for each separate program, TF> So does Sygate. I was surprised when I notic

Re[4]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mike, VBG>> At first the only thing that irritated me was the fact that VBG>> unlike ZAP, Kerio asked permission for everything... For VBG>> example, just launching my browser can easily launch open VBG>> 20+ confirmation boxes and launching my

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

On Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:06:04 PM, Simon Blake wrote: > In many respects S/MIME has an advantage, > even if I much personally prefer PGP. One considerable disadvantage is the size overhead of S/MIME messages - the signing process seems to add 6k onto the message size, and whilst this mig

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Mike, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:26:58 + GMT (14/12/02, 10:26 +0700 GMT), Mike Alexander wrote: > Outpost lets you set up permissions for each separate program, So does Sygate. I was surprised when I noticed that if you allow an application to use one port, by default all ports are availab

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Costas, On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:17:03 +0200 your time, you said: MR>>> If I choose "Internal Implementation", your S/MIME signatures verify as MR>>> "valid". If, however, I choose the "Microsoft CryptoAPI" implementation MR>>> of S/MIME, your ve

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Simon, Saturday, December 14, 2002, 2:43:25 AM, you wrote (possibly edited): MR>> If I choose "Internal Implementation", your S/MIME signatures verify as MR>> "valid". If, however, I choose the "Microsoft CryptoAPI" implementation MR>> of S/M

Re[3]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Victor, Friday, December 13, 2002, 1:47:54 PM, you wrote: VBG> At first the only thing that irritated me was the fact that VBG> unlike ZAP, Kerio asked permission for everything... For VBG> example, just launching my browser can easily launch open VBG> 20+ confirmation boxes and launching m

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Melissa, On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:24:41 -0800 your time, you said: MR> The fact that by simply switching one's preference for implementation MR> method can yield the opposite verification result ("valid" vs. MR> "invalid") shows that t

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Simon, MA>> TB. It's called Outpost and is available from http://www.agnitum.com/ MA>> and no, I have no connection with hem except as a very satisfied user. SB> Of course Victor could always try the 'free for personal use' Sygate

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Mike, On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:09:22 + your time, you said: MA> TB. It's called Outpost and is available from http://www.agnitum.com/ MA> and no, I have no connection with hem except as a very satisfied user. Of course Victor could al

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Melissa, On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:01:33 -0800 your time, you said: MR> This causes me to feel that a PGP signature is a more reliable digital MR> signature "standard" than is S/MIME (even though there may well be more MR> S/MIME users than there

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

In , Melissa Reese [MR] wrote:' MR> This causes me to feel that a PGP signature is a more reliable MR> digital signature "standard" than is S/MIME (even though there MR> may well be more S/MIME users than there are PGP users). I agree here. I see so many of them being inval

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Victor On Friday, December 13, 2002, 2:14:33 AM, you wrote: S BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again. S 8^( > SB>> It's OK here :) > > I've forwarded the messages to other PCs on my network to > other accounts and they've seen no problem. Also, a few > of m

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Victor, Thursday, December 12, 2002, 1:11:03 PM, you wrote: VBG> The whole system came back on line. Now instead of killing VBG> ZoneAlarm and knocking it out of the equation I will tweak VBG> it like Gerard said (kill ZAP mail features), Sorry bud I VBG> did it for my desktop but h

Re[3]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Victor asked: VBG> I am writing a few reports on spam and would appreciate VBG> anyones insight about how you can best battle it without VBG> 3rd party plug-ins or applications and preferably with email VBG> clients alone :) I use the Selective Download filter combined with the Message Dispatche

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Paul, Victor & other TB! users following this thread: Paul recommended: PC> ... you might try the Kerio firewall, it is a continuation of PC> TPF ( Tiny personal firewall). It is free for personal use. PC> www.kerio.com The download url is: http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe -- Do

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

On Thursday, December 12, 2002, 8:11 AM, you wrote: VBG> Amazing! Without this list it probably would have took me VBG> a while to figure this out but ZoneAlarm Pro does seem to VBG> be the bad guy behind The Bat! *freezing* my system. as someone just suggested to me, you might try the Ke

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Simon, S>>> BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again. S>>> 8^( SB> It's OK here :) I've forwarded the messages to other PCs on my network to other accounts and they've seen no problem. Also, a few of my associate

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Victor, On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:15:56 -0500 your time, you said: S>> BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID again. S>> 8^( It's OK here :) - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ***

Re[2]: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Spike, S> BTW, your signature (the last 5 messages) has changed to INVALID S> again. 8^( PGP or certificate? In PGP it might state I have an invalid key until you sign it. With the certification, well I'll be stumped :) - - - -- Best regards,

Re: It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

Hello Victor B. Gonzalez, On or about Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 08:11:03GMT -0500 (which was 8:11 AM in the tropics where I live) Victor B. Gonzalez scribbled VBG> Amazing! Without this list it probably would have took me VBG> a while to figure this out but ZoneAlarm Pro does seem to VBG

It's true - *Freezing* Is caused by ZoneAlarm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbudl, Amazing! Without this list it probably would have took me a while to figure this out but ZoneAlarm Pro does seem to be the bad guy behind The Bat! *freezing* my system. On my notebook for the first time The Bat! froze and when