Re: TMP files
Hi On Tuesday 28 April 2020 at 3:34:01 PM, in , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:- > I just noticed my wife's laptop HDD is almost full. I > ran WinDerStat to get a > visual representation of the contents of her HDD. The > results showed that at > least a quarter of the HDD space is taken up by .tmp > files, all in TB's folders. Wow! Is it a downloading issue? Maybe the anti-virus detecting an issue in the .tmp files and denying TB! access to them? (I think TB! creates a .tmp file for each incoming message and deletes the .tmp file when the message has been fully received (and similar for messages imported), but if something interrupts the process the .tmp file may not be deleted.) > Can I simply select all of TB's .tmp files and delete > them? Probably. -- Best regards MFPA <mailto:2017-r3sgs86x8e-lists-gro...@riseup.net> When you're caffeinated, all is right with the world Using The Bat! Version 8.8.2.5 (BETA) (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 18362 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TMP files
Hello TBUDL'ers, I just noticed my wife's laptop HDD is almost full. I ran WinDerStat to get a visual representation of the contents of her HDD. The results showed that at least a quarter of the HDD space is taken up by .tmp files, all in TB's folders. Can I simply select all of TB's .tmp files and delete them? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa Using TB! 6.0.12 OS: Win 10 v6 Build: 9200 Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
tmp files started appearing on my desktop
Hi All, I'm using an older version of TB! specifically 3.99. In the last couple of days .tmp files have begun to appear on my desktop. I didn't make any change to TB! that I know of. Any suggestions on how to stop this would be greatly appreciated. -- Best regards, Nick Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: tmp files started appearing on my desktop
Hi On Thursday 29 November 2012 at 3:12:55 PM, in mid:1184170354.20121129101...@zebo241.com, nickoh...@zebo241.com wrote: In the last couple of days .tmp files have begun to appear on my desktop. Presumably names like batNN.tmp? Don't know why they would appear on your desktop rather than in your %temp% folder, but they should be safe to move or delete. I didn't make any change to TB! that I know of. Have you changed something in anti-virus or similar software recently? Maybe that is accessing/scanning TB!'s temp files at thhe time TB! is shutting down, preventing TB! from deleting them? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@rocketmail.com Two rights do not make a wrong. They make an airplane. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Antivirus / Tmp Files / Failed Download of message
Hello tbudl, I read in another message that excluding the Bat's .tmp files from antivirus scanning within the anti virus software will solve the huge problem of constant popups and messages that do not get downloaded from the server. With respect to Norton Antivirus Corporate edition, you can only exclude by EXTENSION or DIRECTORY. I really would rather not exclude all .tmp files, and I would rather not exclude the windows temp directory. My question is this: Can I have the bat use a unique directory for its .tmp files? or can I change the extension of the The Bat's temp files to something other than tmp? A unique directory or extension will solve the Norton corporate edition problems. -- Best regards, Jason Gottschalk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SYO Computer Engineering Services, Inc. 586-286-2557 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT:TB! attachment display settings? and .tmp files
Hello Rich! On Friday, June 11, 2004, 10:31 AM, you wrote: MB I wasn't sure whether I should delete the .tmp files which were not MB The Bat! files, so I didn't. CCing to tbot, since this has moved off topic. :) P I periodically empty my temp folder(s). temp folders are just that P for temporary use and anything left over from session to session are P oversights, poor programming, non-graceful program termination, crashes, P etc. Now having said this, some dumb program/programmer will assume P files in a temp folder are perpetual and sacrosanct. :-( rg I once worked with a prima donna programmer who unilaterally decided rg that the TEMP folder would be a good place to put login script info rg that, if deleted, would have to be rebuilt on the next login. If you rg left it alone it was OK but rebuilding it caused login time to take rg forever. Naturally, lots of help desk calls about locked-up PCs in the rg morning were traced to this guy. lol So, I looked at each .tmp file, just now, and one by one deleted only those which show 0 bytes as their size. To err is human, to err on the side of caution could be a bacon-saver! Thanks, Rich. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Spike, *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** === *** Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 10:27:30 AM, you wrote: S Hello fellow tbudl'ers, S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. Check the info and files available at this site... http://www.langa.com/cleanup_bat.htm It has a variety of files for this exact purpose, based on strength and complexity. Documentation is included for modification of the batch files to run properly on your system. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:27:30 [GMT -0500] (11:27 AM EST here) Spike wrote: Hello fellow tbudl'ers, I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have discovered 324 files in; C:\WINDOWS\TEMP The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be message ID's. Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free some space on the system. I found an article Deleting Temporary Files Painlessly, at HTTP://http://hardwarehell.com/bootclean.shtml that explains in detail why it's necessary to get rid of some temporary files that Windows' methods won't let you delete. To make a long story short, I've used Hardware Hell's suggestions in my autoexec.bat file. Deleting the files almost every time my system starts helps to keep my computer running efficiently. (Almost every time is because when I reboot, as I must, after using VirusScan's UPDATE button McAfee ViruScan won't update if the temporary files are deleted.) I'll be happy to email the autoexec.bat additions that work for me, to anyone who wants them. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, (Almost every time is because when I reboot, as I must, after using VirusScan's UPDATE button McAfee ViruScan won't update if the temporary files are deleted.) What version of viruscan are you using? I use version 6 and it doesn't need a reboot after updating. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: To make a long story short, I've used Hardware Hell's suggestions in my autoexec.bat file. Deleting the files almost every time my system starts helps to keep my computer running efficiently. I thought about it earlier. Deleting the tmp files automatically when rebooting may cause problems when you install new software that needs a reboot. So I decided against it. I created a file cleanup.bat that deletes unnecessary files, so I can run it when I want to. It used to clean the tmp and temp folders and the recycled folder, but I lost that file (too lazy to type it up again and Total Commander is quite good at emptying those directories), so the new version deletes all the index.dat files. I have to reboot to DOS to make it work, because under Windows you can't delete them. Anyway, this has become OT. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. No electrons were harmed in the creation, transmission or reading of this email. However, many were excited and some may well have enjoyed the experience. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:52:03 [GMT +0700] (10:52 AM EST here) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: To make a long story short, I've used Hardware Hell's suggestions in my autoexec.bat file. Deleting the files almost every time my system starts helps to keep my computer running efficiently. I thought about it earlier. Deleting the tmp files automatically when rebooting may cause problems when you install new software that needs a reboot. So I decided against it. I included a CHOICE statement in my autoexec.bat, that gives me a few seconds to turn the deleting process off. I created a file cleanup.bat that deletes unnecessary files, so I can run it when I want to. Before I wrote my version of autoexec.bat, I searched for temp files on my system. Then I decided which ones to delete at start-up. It used to clean the tmp and temp folders and the recycled folder, but I lost that file (too lazy to type it up again and Total Commander is quite good at emptying those directories), so the new version deletes all the index.dat files. I have to reboot to DOS to make it work, because under Windows you can't delete them. Read Hardware Hell's article. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: I found an article Deleting Temporary Files Painlessly, at http://hardwarehell.com/bootclean.shtml I get a 404. Which link do I have to use from http://hardwarehell.com/index.shtml ? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tmp files
Hello Thomas, On or about Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 00:44:26GMT +0700 (which was 12:44 PM in the tropics where I live) Thomas Fernandez queried: TF Hello Daniel, TF I get a 404. Which link do I have to use from TF http://hardwarehell.com/index.shtml ? http://hardwarehell.com/articles/bootclean.shtml Hope this helps!! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike If you put a billion monkeys in front of a billion typewriters typing at random, they would reproduce the entire collected works of Usenet in about...five minutes. - Anonymous -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:17:48 [GMT +0100] (10:17 AM EST here) Miguel A. Urech wrote: Hello Daniel, (Almost every time is because when I reboot, as I must, after using VirusScan's UPDATE button McAfee ViruScan won't update if the temporary files are deleted.) What version of viruscan are you using? I use version 6 and it doesn't need a reboot after updating. I'm using an earlier version. When I update by pressing the Update button, I (almost?) always have to reboot to have the update take effect. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:44:26 [GMT +0700] (12:44 PM EST Wed here) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:18:18 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:18 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: I found an article Deleting Temporary Files Painlessly, at http://hardwarehell.com/bootclean.shtml I get a 404. Which link do I have to use from http://hardwarehell.com/index.shtml ? Thomas, I just tried the link I gave, and it worked. I'll copy the article and email it to you. Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 95 4.0 Build a -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, I'm using an earlier version. When I update by pressing the Update button, I (almost?) always have to reboot to have the update take effect. Yes, I remember from earlier versions. That is one of the reasons I upgraded to v6, because it updates automatically and doesn't need a reboot. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Daniel, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:50:42 -0500 GMT (16/01/03, 04:50 +0700 GMT), Daniel Grunberg wrote: I'll copy the article and email it to you. I received your PM, thank you. It is a combination of the cleanup.bat file I lost and the file I have now. It misses the c:\tmp and c:\recycled directories, which I will add and update my cleanup.bat file now. Thanks! :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Die Streichhoelzer muessen gut versteckt werden, damit sie keine kleinen Kinder bekommen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tmp files
Hello fellow tbudl'ers, I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have discovered 324 files in; C:\WINDOWS\TEMP The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be message ID's. Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free some space on the system. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying high with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 11:27:30 AM, Spike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. This has been an occasional topic. Some people have experienced this and most haven't. Don't think anyone every figured out why. My 2 cents is that this is not a TB specific issue. Windows in general - regardless of which version - does not clean up after itself very well. Nor do many, many apps. Go to the average machine and you'll see tons of junk in temp. Everyone should run an occasional cleanup routine to get rid of stuff in the system temp and the user temp directories (latter is specific to W2K and Win XP.) Also note that with W2K and XP you can delete files based on access OR modified OR creation dates. Finally, it's often a good idea to run a login/logoff script in an enterprise environment to automate this process. jon -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
I believe the tmp files are what TB creates when downloading pop messages, because from time to time when my virus scanner picks up a virus being downloaded, it locks the particular tmp file. The reasons for it not cleaning them up could could be a variety of things, including virus scanners, or TB just not cleaning up after itself for some reason, like a crash. They are safe to delete though. I delete mine on occasion. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 11:27:30 AM, you wrote: S Hello fellow tbudl'ers, S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? Can they be deleted safely? The dates on them are all within S the range of time since I installed TB!, and seem to coincide S with dates that I may have upgraded versions, but I'm not S positive about that aspect. None are newer (creation date) than S May 2002. Viewing the smaller ones in Ultra-Edit reveals they S containg email addresses, subject lines and what appear to be S message ID's. S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hallo Spike, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:27:30 -0500GMT (14-1-03, 17:27 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: S I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have S discovered 324 files in; S C:\WINDOWS\TEMP Those are all temporary files, that because of one reason or another aren't deleted. You can delete everyone of them that's got a timestamp older than your current Windows session. S The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that S are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as S batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or S not? TB can create files with that nomenclature during the download of messages and maybe while compressing. S Can they be deleted safely? Yep, as long as they aren't created in your current Windows session. ;-) S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB of S space being used (wasted?). Delete them manually or go to the drive properties in the explorer and select 'clean disk' (or whatever it's called in the English version), you get a pop-up that lets you select what to clean: check 'temporary files' and 'temporary internet files' Other option is to add a line: del c:\windows\temp\*.tmp to your autoexec.bat, so that you're emptyinng the directory during each startup, that ought to be a safe moment, since Windows hasn't got the time to create them then. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Spike, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:27:30 -0500 GMT (14/01/03, 23:27 +0700 GMT), Spike wrote: I have been exploring my drive for wasted file space and have discovered 324 files in; C:\WINDOWS\TEMP The files are MOSTLY '0-byte' empty files, but there are 14 that are between 21 and 45MB each, with the filenames such as batA144.tmp. What are these files and are they related to TB! or not? The ones named bat*.tmp are related to TB. Whenever TB downloads mail, it puts each into the tmp folder first, then imports it into the mail database, and if everything is successful, deletes it from the tmp folder. If there is a problem, the bat*.tmp file stays were it is, so that you can debug (if you want to). There can be two reasons why the files stay there regularly: 1.) Your connection is unstable. This was the case over here; at my old appartment, the telephone conection was vut after 20 minutes, and if that was during a mail check, such .tmp files stayed in the tmp directory. 2.) There is a problem. Now, you mention that all these messages date until May 2002. I remember there was a version that produced bat droppings, but the problem has long been fixed (it could have been a beta, I don't remember). Maybe you were running that version. And yes, you can safely delete them. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tmp files
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On or about Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 00:03:18GMT +0700 (which was 12:03 PM in the tropics where I live) Thomas Fernandez responded: TF The ones named bat*.tmp are related to TB. Good to know! TF There can be two reasons why the files stay there regularly: TF 1.) Your connection is unstable. This was the case over here; at my TF old appartment, the telephone conection was vut after 20 minutes, and TF if that was during a mail check, such .tmp files stayed in the tmp TF directory. Not an issue here with ADSL :-) TF 2.) There is a problem. Now, you mention that all these messages date TF until May 2002. I remember there was a version that produced bat TF droppings, but the problem has long been fixed (it could have been a TF beta, I don't remember). Maybe you were running that version. I believe this is the case. They suddenly stop about the time I did an upgrade to 1.6x. TF And yes, you can safely delete them. I like a good bottom line! I deleted _everything_ in the TEMP folder and recovered over 1.2GB of space!! Thanks to all who responded so quickly. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Not everything that can be counted, counts. And not everything that counts can be counted. (Albert Einstein) -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tmp files
Hello Spike, Tuesday, January 14, 2003, 4:27:30 PM, you wrote: S Comments? Suggestions? These files represent almost half a GB S of space being used (wasted?). I run my mailer on a laptop so S that wherever I go I have ALL my messages, and I need to free S some space on the system. .tmp files are created by the by programs for use in the current session of Windows. The are *temporary* files which should be deleted by the software. However, software doesn't always handle this well and sometimes doesn't delete them all. This is most likely when the software crashes or when you have just installed something (I find installers are particularly bad at clearing out tmp files.). .tmp files are generic and not specific to any program and are a way of, for example, having a back up of say, a Word document when you are creating it. Consequently, the best way to deal with them is to write a short batch file which either a. deletes all files form that folder on shutdown, or b. deletes all files in that folder not having the same date as the current Windows session and using the Windows Scheduler to run it every week or so. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
Hi Simon, VN Solutions I have tried (none worked): Are you by any chance using EFS? I had problems like the ones you described when encrypting the mail base folders and then using multiple profiles and checking mail so I stopped using it. No I'm not using EFS. I only compress the folders when TB exits. Could you tell me how you have your own machine set up, so I can compare? Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Vishal, On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:27:40 -0700 your time, you authored this: VN Could you tell me how you have your own machine set up, so I can VN compare? I have multiple profiles set up for various uses. For example, I have a design authoring profile and an Internet profile and a main profile, and a testing profile. I access my mail from each one. I launch TB! from the same installation folder, and the mail base is stored under a common data folder on a partition. When logged into each profile I set up the same TB! accounts so that they all use the common mail base. I never have problems like this, and it means I always have access to my mail... which is most important of course g - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbbguctub/5cfolmEQJDCACeLr2TRTMpTqBIyJPe2k+nMlJ+muEAoLKf O9KTPR2YHW7Llaw6zDlCGI0e =KXcA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
I'm afraid I had to delete the mails several people sent me in response to my question because of the same problems I was talking about. I can't remember what their names were, so I'll try and reply to all of them here: Someone suggested checking the User Depot registry settings to fix this. I did look at the settings and for some reason the entries for dir#1, dir#2 etc. were empty. I presume this was because I had not set up any specific directories and TB was using the defaults. I modified these entries to reflect the actual directories where I was storing my mail. Unfortunately this didn't work and the problems continued. I haven't tried exporting and importing the whole TB registry key tree yet. I was also asked by someone else why I was using a PU account instead of an admin account for all my work. The reason is security. In Windows, as in Linux, I usually avoid using the Admin account unless I absolutely need to, in case I inadvertently make a systemwide change that could have security implications. I'm not familiar, but not extremely well so with Win2K yet. This also serves to protect me in case I happen to be affected by some kind of malware that spreads and causes damages commensurate with the privileges of the user that executed it. By avoiding the admin account I can minimize the potential danger. As a temporary fix, I've deleted all the shortcuts to TB from my admin desktop so that I don't even TRY to use it from there :) I'd really like to know how someone else has configured their system, however, and what TB tries to save emails in .tmp files in my user's temp directory for. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
My setup is essentially similar. I use a common data folder, not on a separate partition though. I also set up the same TB accounts so that they use the same mail base. I don't see any reason for TB to behave this way :( Could you tell me what your security permissions for the MAIL and TB folders look like? And have you ever noticed TB try to do some processing in the temp folder? Perhaps one of the developers, if they're on the list, could provide an answer to that last bit? -Vishal Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 10:47:25 AM, you wrote: S I have multiple profiles set up for various uses. For example, I have a S design authoring profile and an Internet profile and a main profile, and a S testing profile. I access my mail from each one. I launch TB! from the same S installation folder, and the mail base is stored under a common data folder S on a partition. When logged into each profile I set up the same TB! accounts S so that they all use the common mail base. I never have problems like this, S and it means I always have access to my mail... which is most important of S course g S - -- S Slán, Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:958975235.20021023183957;myrealbox.com, Vishal Nakra [VN] wrote:' VN As a temporary fix, I've deleted all the shortcuts to TB from my VN admin desktop so that I don't even TRY to use it from there :) VN I'd really like to know how someone else has configured their VN system, however, and what TB tries to save emails in .tmp files VN in my user's temp directory for. My only suggestion would be that you boot to admin mode where you have TB! working as it should. Export the registry key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/rit to file. Boot to power user mode and then import the same key. Then start up TB!. This should really cure the problem. If not, then something else is amiss that is interfering and TB! is suffering for it. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta7 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1 (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9t0m1V8nrYCsHF+IRAiSdAJ9gQ8nrnWZTshUCDnIdgKUZ7U6I+QCg0/lm 5KdQzycQfH42dinsP8E9eRQ= =oOXJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files - HELP!
Hi, I posted this question a few days ago, but no one was able to help. I'm repeating it in the hope that someone might be able to give it a shot this time around, since I am really tired of this. If someone could tell me how they have TB configured on Win2K, that would be a big help too. I use Windows 2000 Professional, SP3. The sequence of actions is this. I always use TB when logged on to Windows as a normal Power User. If I subsequently happen to check my mail when logged on as Administrator, and then try to check the mail at some future time when logged back on as a Power User(my normal mode of usage), I have problems. Sometimes, TB shows all my mailboxes as empty. Sometimes only some of them. One symptom I always experience, however, is that when I check my mail, the connection center shows that TB is trying to 'import' messages. It usually fails in this with the error message: FETCH - could not store message (file name c:\documents and..\my_power_user\LOCAL SETTING\Temp\some_file.tmp) where some_file is of the form bat123.tmp. All this time, the connection center shows importing messages. End result is that TB retrieves my mail from the POP server but fails to save it to my hard disk. I presume it uses my User's temp directory for some kind of preliminary processing before finally storing the mail permanently in my Program Files folder, which is what I have set to be the location of storage. TB appears to fail at this preliminary step. Subsequently, when I log as Admin and open up TB in hopes of fixing the problem, I get similar messages. These symptoms always show up the first time after installation that I try to check my mail as Admin after having used it as a normal User for a while. Solutions I have tried (none worked): -Reinstalling TB as Admin and Power User. -Changing the mail folders for all my accounts (in Account\properties\files and directories) to the exact folders where they are stored (i.e the folder with the name of my Account), rather than the default that TB shows them to be stored in. The default usually points to the correct folder, however, so this was a pretty unnecessary step. -Making backup copies of the mail folder for each of the accounts and then trying to make TB use those when things get screwed up. Makes no difference - the (sometimes) empty mailboxes and unable to save.. messages continue. - Allowing my Power User account full access to TB's program directory and all subdirectories. I really need someone to tell me how they have their own things set up. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Vishal, On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:15:51 -0700 your time, you authored this: [snip] VN Solutions I have tried (none worked): Are you by any chance using EFS? I had problems like the ones you described when encrypting the mail base folders and then using multiple profiles and checking mail so I stopped using it. - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbXKhMtub/5cfolmEQKSuwCgk6Ud0Dl4BMRlTXSNZk5gJcGQLSoAnixq qHHh4fgzitEw4gS/CvawqU1G =ZR9Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 8:15:51 PM, Vishal Nakra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VN I posted this question a few days ago, but no one was able to help. VN I'm repeating it in the hope that someone might be able to give it a VN shot this time around, since I am really tired of this. If someone VN could tell me how they have TB configured on Win2K, that would be a VN big help too. VN I use Windows 2000 Professional, SP3. The sequence of actions is this. VN I always use TB when logged on to Windows as a normal Power User. If I VN subsequently happen to check my mail when logged on as Administrator, and then try to check the mail VN at some future time when logged back on as a Power User(my normal mode of VN usage), I have problems. TB keeps it's registries setting in HKEY_CURRENT_USER. This is user specific. Try exporting HKCU\RIT\The Bat! when logged in as a PU, then import when an Admin. You may need to tweak a little. \Users Depot is a critical key that describes the location of mail directories for each user. (rest of message snipped.) jon - jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
Vishal- Tuesday, October 22, 2002, 5:15:51 PM, you wrote: VN I really need someone to tell me how they have their own things set VN up. Is there some reason you need to log on as a Power User instead of Administrator? On my Win2k setup I'm always logged on as an Admin and this has never caused any problems for me. Are you trying to hide things from yourself? Keep yourself out of certain areas of your computer? The only time I *ever* drop out of Admin mode is to test out something I've written to make sure it works with restricted privileges. I mean, it's your own machine, nicht wahr? Why not just use the thing? I admit that I don't have any more ideas about why your TB installation is acting up like that, but I'd seriously check out the CURRENT_USER section of the registry while you're logged in with Power User mode to see if there's a clue there. I realize that you've uninstalled and reinstalled, but I'm not sure that simply uninstalling removes all the RIT entries. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
Hi Vishal. At 8:15 PM on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 you [VN] wrote the following about 'Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files - HELP!': VN I posted this question a few days ago, VN but no one was able to help. I work on a w2k sp3 machine both as administrator user w all privileges have never had a single issue w various TB! installations, including the current beta. Off hand I would say there is an issue with your w2k installation that has nothing to do with TB! What that could be is beyond me. I've just found w2k to be solid as a rock no matter what I've thrown at it. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta6/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Gerard, Thursday, October 10, 2002, 12:08:22 AM, you wrote: [SNIP] Why would you want that garbage at the end of incoming or outgoing mail anyway. In most cases the receiver (either you or those to whom you send an e-mail to) don't really care what the sender's system did. I don't, but it would tell me if it was working! I don't trust such stuff anyway. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:09:12 +0545 Sudip Pokhrel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002 05:51 your local time, (10:36 my local time), you [DW] wrote: DW Which of those is the AVG plugin though? Found the Nod32 one, DW which I also need. You can get AVG plug-in directly from Grisoft: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9us.exe Thanks. I thought I'd searched their site! Doug -- Doug's Archaeology Site http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:11:24 AM RE: what are bat*.tmp files? Greetings Doug, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 3:01:25 AM, you wrote: You can get AVG plug-in directly from Grisoft: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9us.exe DW Thanks. I thought I'd searched their site! It's not easy to find. You have to scroll down through the Updates listing or simply go here: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_avgbat.htm?session=222c74fe60752605c3145686492d8df6 Hope this helps. - -- Regards, D Gerard Raftery Sr. A paperless office has about as much chance as a paperless bathroom. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPaQdqvrDU+56b7pcEQJfBQCgmkW+sYl+D+b8AkuAMzLhtBlabvIAoPfs kIKACZdTuwvCqw7q/7/qEcTo =0+JX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:14:59 PM, you wrote: DW It's not easy to find. You have to scroll down through the Updates listing or simply go here: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_avgbat.htm?session=222c74fe60752605c3145686492d8df6 Ok, it's installed, thanks very much for the help. What bits of AVG itself do I have to keep running to make it operational? I don't think I want to run AVG's Resident Shield alongside Trend's Real-Time monitor, for instance. But I do want it to update. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:54:36 PM RE: what are bat*.tmp files? Greetings Doug, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:47:10 PM, you wrote: DW Hi, DW Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 1:14:59 PM, you wrote: DW It's not easy to find. You have to scroll down through the Updates listing or simply go here: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_avgbat.htm?session=222c74fe60752605c3145686492d8df6 DW Ok, it's installed, thanks very much for the help. What bits of AVG itself do I have to keep running DW to make it operational? I don't think I want to run AVG's Resident DW Shield alongside Trend's Real-Time monitor, for instance. But I do DW want it to update. DW Doug Just uncheck the Resident Shield boxes (and then click on Save Parameters as New Default) and leave the control center (icon on your taskbar) running. You need not have the Resident Shield operational for the plugin to do it's job. I know many that have two or three AV's installed with the primary AV performing resident scan operation and the other two to either utilize a plugin feature or have a back up AV program to check to see if the primary missed something. - -- Regards, D Gerard Raftery Sr. ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPaSnWWGmTEg4iItaEQKzXQCfaCk7ToQs1+GkIGqlRxsSQd0o0wUAn2/M fJuAXypLnNY+sXHLH6emeCqk =V2KG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Gerard, Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 11:02:15 PM, you wrote: Just uncheck the Resident Shield boxes (and then click on Save Parameters as New Default) and leave the control center (icon on your taskbar) running. You need not have the Resident Shield operational for the plugin to do it's job. I know many that have two or three AV's installed with the primary AV performing resident scan operation and the other two to either utilize a plugin feature or have a back up AV program to check to see if the primary missed something. That makes sense and is probably what I shall do. Do I gather it doesn't actually mark either outgoing or incoming email? Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Sudip, Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 6:24:12 AM, you wrote: Hi Doug, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002 05:51 your local time, (10:36 my local time), you [DW] wrote: DW Which of those is the AVG plugin though? Found the Nod32 one, DW which I also need. You can get AVG plug-in directly from Grisoft: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9us.exe Thanks, it is up and I hope running now! Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:38:53 PM RE: what are bat*.tmp files? Greetings Avram, On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 1:48:33 PM, you wrote: Acc Thanks, again. Your explanation this time, was much more clear. Given my Acc setup, is there any reason (in terms of catching viruses from incoming messages) Acc why it would be advantageous for me to move to AV software, such as AVG, or some Acc of the others mentioned on this list that have plug-ins for The Bat? Any Acc reason to just let well enough alone? Any AV software that is worth it's salt SHOULD, with resident scanner abilities ON, alert when you try and open an e-mail attachment that is infected. As reported within this thread, the plus side of having an e-mail plugin is to quarantine and bring the exact message to your attention. I have seen Norton AV, resident shield only, alert and disappear leaving one to weed through AV logs only to find that the infected file is specified but not the e-mail message that carried the payload. In most cases, as a network engineer of some 28+ years, I want the file AND the message flagged so I can gather all pertinent information as to the sender, ISP, what SMTP server allowed the file to pass and as much routing info as can be gleamed from the RFC-822 header info. Anyway ... I ramble. In the end to each their own. Whatever YOU feel secure doing is what plan of action you need follow. Opinions are like buttholes. Everybody has one BUT, covering your own is your most critical mission. - -- Regards, D Gerard Raftery Sr. If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, a Rolls-Royce today would cost $100, get a million miles to the gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPaSybmGmTEg4iItaEQJ4RACfSYQLo9Cg37Z2UCrCVo7NiYzcWqgAn1z2 U9+Va4orSb91t+JeF6IXuHEN =7BzW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:53:41 PM RE: what are bat*.tmp files? Greetings Doug, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 6:30:52 PM, you wrote: DW Do I gather it doesn't actually mark either outgoing or incoming DW email? Mark as how? With the This message has been certified virus free by blah, blah, blah etc.? One the freeware AVG does not do this as only the Pro version does and two, The_Bat! plugin supports this feature in neither the freeware nor Pro versions. Why would you want that garbage at the end of incoming or outgoing mail anyway. In most cases the receiver (either you or those to whom you send an e-mail to) don't really care what the sender's system did. - -- Regards, D Gerard Raftery Sr. If at first you don't succeed, call it version 1.0. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPaS0tmGmTEg4iItaEQJtogCg4Q5BlzU/NkVprnBwj+CRd/j7MvIAn1Ac aSI6eHtO7s/hpmy7dNzu4pFo =FVvK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, Gerard! Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 6:08:22 PM, you wrote: DGRS Mark as how? With the This message has been certified virus free by DGRS blah, blah, blah etc.? One the freeware AVG does not do this as only DGRS Why would you want that garbage at the end of incoming or outgoing DGRS mail anyway. In most cases the receiver (either you or those to whom DGRS you send an e-mail to) don't really care what the sender's system did. Would make an excellent trojan horse too. Well, his message said it was checked for viruses!!!. IMO, it's just more useless stuff to impress the easily impressed. -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, achdut wrote... Hi, everyone. Can someone explain to me what the signficance, if any, is of files that appear in the Local Settings\Temp subdirectory that are named bat*.tmp, where the * represents any two- to four-character alphanumeric combination? These files appear in the temp subdirectory only on occasion after I have downloaded e-mail. There must be nothing in these files, since the size is 0kb. Additonally, they only seem to appear when I have received an error message that reads something like: ezTrustAntivirus real-time protection has found that C:\DOCUME~1\USER\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat4D2.tmp was infected with HTML.MimeExploit virus and has restored the file. Curiously, when I run a search for the infected file, it does not appear anywhere on the hard drive. This has happened three times in the past several days. Can I safely delete all of those .tmp files? The temp files are there so that TB can write the file locally before trying to insert into the message base. A safety precaution if you will, because I'm sure it won't do the message base any good if you download half completed mails into it ;) As for the reason the files are there, and not deleted, you gave yourself the reason. Your virus scanner reads all data being written to the drive, and as it sees the virus signature, it stops the write, this returns an error to TB! as your virus scanner returns a simple file lock message (a cheating way to stop a program from writing data), so TB! cannot write to the file, so assumes it cannot destroy it either. This would mean there is something wrong with it, so it skips onto the the next message. Yes it is safe to delete them, you may want to make sure TB! is closed when you do it, as you probably don't want to catch it half-way through writing a temp file ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPaHSYCuD6BT4/R9zEQJtRACg6EAw093hWmX77cwOkvst3Fh03EcAnRNF Pi3RbcjfXsM9sQBJcs7EkrP9 =bMqh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, Jonathan, and anyone else listening in. I originally asked: Can someone explain to me what the significance, if any, is of files that appear in the Local Settings\Temp subdirectory that are named bat*.tmp, where the * represents any two- to four-character alphanumeric combination? These files appear in the temp subdirectory only on occasion after I have downloaded e-mail. There must be nothing in these files, since the size is 0kb. Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/07/2002 replied: The temp files are there so that TB can write the file locally before trying to insert into the message base. As for the reason the files are there, and not deleted, you gave yourself the reason. Your virus scanner reads all data being written to the drive, and as it sees the virus signature, it stops the write, this returns an error to TB! as your virus scanner returns a simple file lock message (a cheating way to stop a program from writing data), so TB! cannot write to the file, so assumes it cannot destroy it either. This would mean there is something wrong with it, so it skips onto the next message. If I understand you correctly, under normal circumstances, where no virus is present, the temp file gets erased once it is scanned and found clean so that the message body can be inserted into the database. Correct? If so, this raises several questions: 1. why would there be more empty bat*.tmp files than error messages warning of a virus. For example, I might have 200 messages to download, receive one error message during the download warning of the presence of the MimeExploit virus [which shouldn't affect me anyway since I am running IE 6.0] but will still find perhaps a dozen or two dozen empty bat*.tmp files. Shouldn't there be a one-for-one correspondence between the number of virus warnings I get and the number of empty bat*.tmp files sitting in the Temp directory? 2. Because I use eZTrust antivirus, I don't have a plug-in for The Bat. I thought plug-ins were what allowed incoming messages to be scanned. However, it seems that I am getting those messages scanned anyway, correct?So, what does a plug-in do that my setup doesn't already accomplish? Thanks for your help, -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago, IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] using The Bat ver. 1.61 on Windows XP home Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... The temp files are there so that TB can write the file locally before trying to insert into the message base. As for the reason the files are there, and not deleted, you gave yourself the reason. Your virus scanner reads all data being written to the drive, and as it sees the virus signature, it stops the write, this returns an error to TB! as your virus scanner returns a simple file lock message (a cheating way to stop a program from writing data), so TB! cannot write to the file, so assumes it cannot destroy it either. This would mean there is something wrong with it, so it skips onto the next message. If I understand you correctly, under normal circumstances, where no virus is present, the temp file gets erased once it is scanned and found clean so that the message body can be inserted into the database. Correct? Yes under normal circumstances, and in a perfect environment. Unfortunately Windows is faaar from perfect ;) If so, this raises several questions: 1. why would there be more empty bat*.tmp files than error messages warning of a virus. [...] Shouldn't there be a one-for-one correspondence between the number of virus warnings I get and the number of empty bat*.tmp files sitting in the Temp directory? Not always, but in theory yes. The problem arises when your virus scanner monitors all file system activity, both read and write to the disk. The order of things works like so: - Mail Comes in - TB Creates Temporary File - Virus scanner checks temporary file - TB Writes data to temporary File - Virus scanner reads data - TB moves temporary data out of temporary file into message base - Virus scanner reads data movement between two - TB tries to delete temporary file - Virus scanner reads delete attempt - TB *might* get a file lock if virus scanner is still scanning, at which point TB leaves the file. It is the last two events that cause the temp files to stay in most cases. If the virus scanner has hold of the temporary file for just a little too long, then the file cannot be deleted. Did I make it a little clearer this time? At least that is the way I'm seeing things working anyway. I write software, and we have a hell of a time with temporary files and virus scanners because of the above order of things. 2. Because I use eZTrust antivirus, I don't have a plug-in for The Bat. I thought plug-ins were what allowed incoming messages to be scanned. However, it seems that I am getting those messages scanned anyway, correct? So, what does a plug-in do that my setup doesn't already accomplish? Yes and no. Yes your mail is being scanned, but that is because it is being written to a temporary file first, and your virus scanner is set to scan for disk read/writes. If you were to do it via a plugin, the method of scanning would be while the message is being put into the stream inside TB and would result in no disk writing until the scan is complete. If a virus is found, then it follows the settings in your plugin. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPaMVSyuD6BT4/R9zEQK/3ACfZXDWEHFtYzceWbHMaXf0vqZQITUAnRiy nO1UKMeecQLm2Xj6K6GR5fIw =gEpX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
I asked, So, what does a plug-in do that my setup doesn't already accomplish? To which Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: Yes your mail is being scanned, but that is because it is being written to a temporary file first, and your virus scanner is set to scan for disk read/writes. If you were to do it via a plugin, the method of scanning would be while the message is being put into the stream inside TB and would result in no disk writing until the scan is complete. If a virus is found, then it follows the settings in your plugin. Thanks, again. Your explanation this time, was much more clear. Given my setup, is there any reason (in terms of catching viruses from incoming messages) why it would be advantageous for me to move to AV software, such as AVG, or some of the others mentioned on this list that have plug-ins for The Bat? Any reason to just let well enough alone? [There might be other reasons for me to switch, e.g., I can't get eZTrust to automatically download using Windows scheduler--but that is an issue for another list] -- Avi Avram Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] using The Bat ver. 1.61 on Windows XP home Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
ON Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 8:01:11 PM, you wrote: JA On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... JA It really depends. Using a virus plugin will allow you to quarantine JA the mail withing TB! and actually look at the mail, but not JA execute/open any attachments. Hi Jonathan, The Norton quarantine function offers the same functionality. The difference is that you can only see the text of the email in Norton. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I am an Insomniac, agnostic, Egotist: I lie awake nights wondering whether I believe that I am as great as I think I am. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, again. It seems like each answer prompts another question. This time, Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using a virus plugin will allow you to quarantine the mail withing TB! and actually look at the mail, but not execute/open any attachments. This is an advantage if you are after the actual email itself, and want to alert the real sender of infection (note that Klez and others spoof from headers, and if you set the virus scanner to auto-alert the person, you'll probably get a few upset replies). I thought I was already able to look at the mail because whenever I get the warning from the AV program, it says ...real-time protection has found that [filename] was infected with HTML.MimeExploit virus and has *restored the file.* (emphasis added), AND, I am able to find an e-mail in my in-box that has all the earmarks of it having carried a virus (unexpected attachments from unknown senders). I open these e-mails to add the sender's ISP to my filter list if the ISP looks bogus, such as where it's a random alphanumeric combination followed by .com, or some cutsy nomenclature like just4u.com but I don't open the attachments, which almost all invariably have the .exe extension. (I really like it that The Bat does NOT automatically open attachments.) Aren't these e-mails the ones that my AV software found infected, particularly since it has told me that it has restored the file? If so, then there really is no advantage to using plug-ins. No? Of course, if you're not too worried about seeing the content of these 'infected' files, and trust your virus scanner to make a valued judgement about the email (knowing that it only matches signatures, and doesn't care about content), then you can just stick with using an external virus scanner. How is eZTrust-AV matching signatures? What signatures is it matching, and with what? I don't use an address book, although I do have filters in The Bat for trash. But why should the AV software care about what filters I am using? Also, if I what I said above about the file being restored is correct, then it seems to me that the AV software is letting me make the decision about whether to dump the message or not. Again, thanks for your patience is answering these questions. -- Avi Avram Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] using ver. 1.61 of The Bat on Windows XP home Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hello Avram, On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:48:33 -0500 GMT (09/10/02, 00:48 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acc Thanks, again. Your explanation this time, was much more clear. Acc Given my setup, is there any reason (in terms of catching viruses Acc from incoming messages) why it would be advantageous for me to Acc move to AV software, such as AVG, or some of the others mentioned Acc on this list that have plug-ins for The Bat? You won't have the nasty bat*.tmp files. ;-) Acc Any reason to just let well enough alone? Happiness with your current virus-scanner, maybe. BTW it might be interesting for your to know that I get a lot of bat*.tmp files as well. The reason is that I am on dial-up, and my connection breaks automtically after 20 minutes. If TB is in the process of downloading an email, these files (with 0 KB size) will remain in the Windows\Temp directory. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A day without fusion is like a day without sunshine. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, Avram Sacks wrote... Aren't these e-mails the ones that my AV software found infected, particularly since it has told me that it has restored the file? If so, then there really is no advantage to using plug-ins. No? I didn't realise your mail was still being delivered. This may be okay for the files it can fix, but for those it cannot, you'll find them relegated to the virus scanners quarantine, or even deleted completely. Of course, if you're not too worried about seeing the content of these 'infected' files, and trust your virus scanner to make a valued judgement about the email (knowing that it only matches signatures, and doesn't care about content), then you can just stick with using an external virus scanner. How is eZTrust-AV matching signatures? What signatures is it matching, and with what? When I say signatures I mean the signatures of a virus itself. I didn't mean the email has a nice footer at the bottom saying I'm a virus ;) Take for example eicar (test virus), the signature starts: X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC... (you can see the rest at http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm) You can write that signature to a text file, save as a .com and then scan it, and it'll be detected. A virus scanner just keeps a dictionary of such signatures, and then does matches based on those signatures. Imagine a signature as a finger print for each virus. Each virus has it's own finger print. I don't use an address book, although I do have filters in The Bat for trash. But why should the AV software care about what filters I am using? It doesn't. I believe we may have mixed ideas (or I may have confused you) about the term 'signature' in this context. Also, if I what I said above about the file being restored is correct, then it seems to me that the AV software is letting me make the decision about whether to dump the message or not. It depends on the virus really. If the virus is not removable, or the file cannot be repaired, then your virus scanner will most likely move it to it's own quarantine, or even just trash it. The other option is that some virus scanners now come with in built pop/smtp connection scanning. It 'hijacks' the connections made on the related ports, reads the email, if it matches a 'fingerprint' of a virus, it re-writes the email, removing the attachment, and often putting a text file in it's place. This 'feature' is all dependant of the virus scanner you have installed. I know Norton 2002 does this, but not sure about yours. Again, thanks for your patience is answering these questions. You're welcome... :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPaMp0iuD6BT4/R9zEQIS+ACfbSrg/BGa6x6xCSfgyVo2xQnASV0AoOfj G4mLJHEZDJ8H/1rcXdh2B9PM =gM+n -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, Does the AVG plugin work with the free version of AVG? And where do you get it? (I have already bought Trend's Pc-Cillin, but would like to try the AVG plugin). Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Does the AVG plugin work with the free version of AVG? And where do you get it? (I have already bought Trend's Pc-Cillin, but would like to try the AVG plugin). funny... I downloaded this this morning after scanning the archives... just being curious and all ;) ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/ - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPaNRWSuD6BT4/R9zEQID7QCg2gO6iYLGZV99gPqc3iiB0mZIR58AoKFo JPQ25D/8ykptkZHY9AuA3Idt =z3iq -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Jonathan, Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 10:42:45 PM, you wrote: On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Does the AVG plugin work with the free version of AVG? And where do you get it? (I have already bought Trend's Pc-Cillin, but would like to try the AVG plugin). funny... I downloaded this this morning after scanning the archives... just being curious and all ;) ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/ Thanks. Now to figure out how to install it, and where the Nod32 is for my other half's TheBat! Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Does the AVG plugin work with the free version of AVG? And where do you get it? (I have already bought Trend's Pc-Cillin, but would like to try the AVG plugin). funny... I downloaded this this morning after scanning the archives... just being curious and all ;) ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/ Thanks. Now to figure out how to install it, and where the Nod32 is for my other half's TheBat! Installation is easy, drop it into your TB Folder, then go into Options - Virus Protection - Add then select the .bav file :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPaLc4CuD6BT4/R9zEQJ53wCgwuWiz5GDu/PSzL5KihmCwRVdYrUAoPPv uC2GfLIYCOplQQ9yyghcdQbH =EcIR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Thomas, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002 01:06 your local time, (Tuesday, 23:51 my local time), you [TF] wrote: TF The reason is that I am on dial-up, and my connection breaks TF automtically after 20 minutes. Why? -- be well, Sudip Pokhrel |/\ PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185| X Against HTML E-mail ! http://pgpkeys.mit.edu|/ \ ___ Age doesn't always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone ___ TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hello Sudip, On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:26:30 +0545 GMT (09/10/02, 09:41 +0700 GMT), Sudip Pokhrel wrote: TF The reason is that I am on dial-up, and my connection breaks TF automtically after 20 minutes. SP Why? Because I do not have a direct telephone line. In order to dial out from my appartment, I have to dial 9, like in a hotel. The call will go via the appartment building's switchboard (yes, it is a classic PABX). Since they have only 24 lines for 80 or so appartments, the time for each call is limited to 20 minutes, the PABX will cut me off after that. So that not a few tenants block all the lines. I can apply for a direct phone line directly with one of the fixed-line providers, and it is not even expensive. However, I have been planning to move to a bigger appartment, and am still looking; that's why I don't have that direct line yet. f'up2:tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Some people have a photographic memory but with the lens cover glued on. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Jonathan, Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 10:42:45 PM, you wrote: On Tuesday, October 08, 2002, Doug Weller wrote... Does the AVG plugin work with the free version of AVG? And where do you get it? (I have already bought Trend's Pc-Cillin, but would like to try the AVG plugin). funny... I downloaded this this morning after scanning the archives... just being curious and all ;) ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/bav/ Which of those is the AVG plugin though? Found the Nod32 one, which I also need. Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, Thomas! Tuesday, October 8, 2002, 11:40:50 PM, you wrote: TF The reason is that I am on dial-up, and my connection breaks TF automtically after 20 minutes. TF PABX). Since they have only 24 lines for 80 or so appartments, the TF time for each call is limited to 20 minutes, the PABX will cut me off TF after that. So that not a few tenants block all the lines. Also, some ISPs limit the time. -- --Scott. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.61 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 on an AMD Athlon XP 1900 (1.6G real, 1.9G effective) with 512MB. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi Doug, On Wednesday, October 9, 2002 05:51 your local time, (10:36 my local time), you [DW] wrote: DW Which of those is the AVG plugin though? Found the Nod32 one, DW which I also need. You can get AVG plug-in directly from Grisoft: http://files.grisoft.cz/softw/thebat/avgbat9us.exe -- be well, Sudip Pokhrel |/\ PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185| X Against HTML E-mail ! http://pgpkeys.mit.edu|/ \ ___ John Lennon -- ///o-o\\ ___ TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
what are bat*.tmp files?
Hi, everyone. Can someone explain to me what the signficance, if any, is of files that appear in the Local Settings\Temp subdirectory that are named bat*.tmp, where the * represents any two- to four-character alphanumeric combination? These files appear in the temp subdirectory only on occasion after I have downloaded e-mail. There must be nothing in these files, since the size is 0kb. Additonally, they only seem to appear when I have received an error message that reads something like: ezTrustAntivirus real-time protection has found that C:\DOCUME~1\USER\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat4D2.tmp was infected with HTML.MimeExploit virus and has restored the file. Curiously, when I run a search for the infected file, it does not appear anywhere on the hard drive. This has happened three times in the past several days. Can I safely delete all of those .tmp files? -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago, IL runnning The Bat ver. 1.61 on Windows XP home Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: tmp files left by TB!
Hello Jonathan, On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:09:43 -0500 GMT (19/06/02, 12:09 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA Depends on your standpoint... from what I've experience with the software we JA write, most anti-virus applications have a habbit of locking a file just before JA the file gets read, moved, copied, or deleted. Now when TB goes to delete the JA file, the anti-virus program locks the file, so TB gets a flag saying file busy, JA I'm sure the coders may have added in a try statement to attempt to do it 3 JA times... depending on the system, and setup, this may fail several times, [...] Sounds like you know what you are talking about. I also have this issue sometimes, namely bat.tmp files in the temp directory. Seems to depend onthe weather or what whether I have them (and then in the thousands per day) or not. Your article explains it. However, over here most of these tmp files have a length of 0 (zero) bytes. Would you venture to take a guess at what may cause those? I am not losing any mails. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Everybody repeat after me.We are all individuals. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
tmp files left by TB!
wow, just looked at my temporary internet files and found tons of TB temp files.. any idea what setting causes them to be cleaned up.. a lot of them were messages!!! and old.. i'm curious about how this happened and why? thanks! Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: tmp files left by TB!
On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... wow, just looked at my temporary internet files and found tons of TB temp files.. any idea what setting causes them to be cleaned up.. a lot of them were messages!!! and old.. i'm curious about how this happened and why? I had it do that to me a while ago... in fact spawned temp files so rapidly, I had over 100 megs within 2 hours... Reinstalled TB! and it went away... not sure about that though. By any chance, do you have a virus scanner on your computer? It could be possible that TB! is creating a file, your virus scanner locks it for scanning, then when TB! tries to delete it, the file is reported as locked, so TB! continues processing as normal, leaving the temp file there. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: tmp files left by TB!
yep, I do use norton.. maybe tb should wait to continue until the file is free? man, this is a big problem, full text viewable by any editor or file viewer. anyone else have this problem? thanks for the quick response. Laura --Original Message Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 10:51:55 AM, you wrote: JA On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... wow, just looked at my temporary internet files and found tons of TB temp files.. any idea what setting causes them to be cleaned up.. a lot of them were messages!!! and old.. i'm curious about how this happened and why? JA I had it do that to me a while ago... in fact spawned temp files so JA rapidly, I had over 100 megs within 2 hours... Reinstalled TB! and it JA went away... not sure about that though. By any chance, do you have a JA virus scanner on your computer? It could be possible that TB! is JA creating a file, your virus scanner locks it for scanning, then when JA TB! tries to delete it, the file is reported as locked, so TB! JA continues processing as normal, leaving the temp file there. - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: tmp files left by TB!
On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... yep, I do use norton.. maybe tb should wait to continue until the file is free? man, this is a big problem, full text viewable by any editor or file viewer. Do a regular clean up ;) To be honest, this isn't really TB! fault... Norton holds the lock for just too long, so TB! disregards the file. If the coders were to set it so that it waited until the lock was removed, it would possibly cause TB! to crash as it'd end up holding on waiting for that file. thanks for the quick response. Not a problem. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: tmp files left by TB!
Hello Jonathan Angliss, In Reference to your Posting on Tuesday, June 18 2002 at 11:31 AM PDT, yep, I do use norton.. maybe tb should wait to continue until the file is free? man, this is a big problem, full text viewable by any editor or file viewer. Do a regular clean up ;) You're kidding... right? To be honest, this isn't really TB! fault... Oh, but it is. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: tmp files left by TB!
Hi Nick, On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:38:41 -0700, you wrote: Do a regular clean up ;) You're kidding... right? Automate it if you want :P To be honest, this isn't really TB! fault... Oh, but it is. Depends on your standpoint... from what I've experience with the software we write, most anti-virus applications have a habbit of locking a file just before the file gets read, moved, copied, or deleted. Now when TB goes to delete the file, the anti-virus program locks the file, so TB gets a flag saying file busy, I'm sure the coders may have added in a try statement to attempt to do it 3 times... depending on the system, and setup, this may fail several times, so TB fails the delete, hence you end up with temp files. As for why there aren't always temp files, if your virus scanner releases the lock before TB tries to do anything with the file, then TB can happily remove it... it's a question of timing. We've found in 99% of the cases where files have been reported as locked (we develop accounting software), disabling the virus scanner for a 10 minute test shows the lock issue vanishes. In theory, it may not even be with the temporary file itself... it may be with the temporary file's lock file (which is where our software has issues, the database lock file isn't removed because the anti-virus software has a lock on the lock file... when the database attempts to remove the lock, it cannot... so fails trying without error, but when you next attempt to access the file, the original lock file is still there, and the table is still open). Then there is the other standpoint which says it is TB! fault... saying it didn't attempt to delete it enough times... If the programmers of TB were to force TB to make X number of attempts more at deleting the file, you could end up stuck in a nasty loop of delays, eventually slowing the system down. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
*.tmp files problem
Ever since I moved to v1.52 - yesterday evening - zero bytes *.tmp files have started to accumulate in my c:\temp directory. By now, I have 25 of them; some of them survived shutting down TB overnight and can't be deleted (I assume I'd need to shut down my computer before I can do that). Annoying. - K - -- [Religion] is not merely the opium of the masses, it is the cyanide. - Tom Robbins: Skinny Legs and All -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: *.tmp files problem
On Sunday, May 06, 2001, 9:55:08 AM, Karin Spaink wrote: Ever since I moved to v1.52 - yesterday evening - zero bytes *.tmp files have started to accumulate in my c:\temp directory. By now, I have 25 of them; some of them survived shutting down TB overnight and can't be deleted (I assume I'd need to shut down my computer before I can do that). Annoying. I just looked, and found 642. One was created 30 April and all the rest on 1 May. It appears, from looking a sig blocks on sent mail I was using Beta 12 at the time. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.52c on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: *.tmp files problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Karin, On Sun, 6 May 2001, at 16:55:08 [GMT +0200] (10:55 AM where I live) you wrote the following in regards to *.tmp files problem: KS Ever since I moved to v1.52 - yesterday evening - zero bytes KS *.tmp files have started to accumulate in my c:\temp KS directory. There was a big debate about this back around Beta 10 or 11 and it seemed at the time that just about everyone was affected by the .tmp files. When Beta 12 came out someone noticed that the .tmp files were gone. We all checked our respective \Temp folders and indeed there were no more .tmp files. I just checked and I still do not have the .tmp file problem using 1.52c on Win98SE. I wonder if these could be left over from an earlier Beta? - -- Regards, Ron Secord Using The Bat! v1.52c Under Windows 98 SE -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt [Build:05] Comment: Digitally signed for authenticity! iQA/AwUBOvV0UT3g1/Rev158EQIF1QCgxawtr4kxBK4XbODTnDJBIPtZxjgAoI66 kc8jr6yk+RC5cUE19BGSOoV8 =LWPA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: *.tmp files problem
On 06-05-2001 at 17:57, Ron Secord kindly wrote: Hi Karin, KS Ever since I moved to v1.52 - yesterday evening - zero bytes KS *.tmp files have started to accumulate in my c:\temp KS directory. There was a big debate about this back around Beta 10 or 11 and it seemed at the time that just about everyone was affected by the .tmp files. I know. At the tiime, I didn't have them. Now, since yesterday and since switching to 1.52 (not beta) I suddenly have them. - K - -- Conformity or rebellion? Neither one. Both ways are simple-minded - they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity. - Neil Stephenson: The Diamond Age -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 4:20:35 AM you wrote: I wouldn't call it a bug I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit it normally, delete its temp files. For me it was worse with Beta 3 and 4... in fact just before writing this reply I had over 700 *.tmp files. I have since switched back to Beta 1 where I may have only 6 or 7 of those files per session. I don't know why there is such a difference. I can confirm this. I just began checking the Temp directory regularly when this question came. Before it needed checking every few weeks and there were only tmps from wrong shut-downs (usually not one from TB!, mostly Corel and Word). Now TB! fills up the Temp dir. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is lemon juice made with artificial flavour, and dish washing liquid made with real lemons? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtVMNfTo1oA8g8dLEQIz/QCgiLbjc8IANS41haWx+gTyzIvuZwMAoMG9 70hL1R39h7sgKmxwziCvn+qX =qSFO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ron! On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 at 7:19:57 PM you wrote: I just realized a couple of days ago that one of these .tmp files are left behind in my Windows\Temp directory (Win 98SE) everytime I open a message in TB! So, as a temporary fix I put a little dittie in my autoexec.bat to clean out all .tmp files from that directory upon startup. I realize that we *shouldn't* have to do that, but hopefully RitLabs will straighten this out soon... Reminds me, in the olden days, when everybody new that Windows was *not* an OS (except for NT, but that was later) one of the most oft published tips to improve the system was to put a line into the Autoexec.bat. This line cleared the Temp directory of files at shut down. I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the Start menu is there for. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If you give up drinking, smoking and sex, you don't live longer. It just seems like it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtVF/vTo1oA8g8dLEQJtvACg01nDJ/JcTp/EYtybz7X6LHS4fMYAoMRB 5e6olJhfUCIh9up98CaOhXST =8da+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hi Dierk, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:33:24 +0200GMT (12/04/2001, 15:33 +0800GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: I wouldn't call it a bug DH I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit DH it normally, delete its temp files. TB will delete the files in the tmp folder if everything is fine. (I am talking about release versions, not the current betas, about which I know nothing). If there *might* be a problem, TB will leave the files in the tmp directory, so you can take a look at them if you wish. It's by design. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello Dierk, On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 09:33:24GMT +0200 (which was 09:33 AM where I live) you wrote: I wouldn't call it a bug DH I would, simply because I think every programme should, when you exit DH it normally, delete its temp files. I agree, this is definitely a bug since no other program leaves so many .tmp files back in the TEMP dir in Windows and I don't see a reason why TB! shouldn't delete them ... after all they are supposed to be temporary... But TB! is still the best e-mail client I've ever used! :-) (I just hope there's gonna be a mac version of it soon!!!) -- Best regards, Andr Engelhardt /--\ |Eternal Tedium Sound Media Design | |http://www.eternaltedium.com | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Mobile: +49 162 751 8530 (sms capable)| |PGP Key ID: 0x927EF264| \--/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:20:39 -0700, Ming-Li graced us with these comments: Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*. ML I do see them sometimes, but very rarely, and I check (and clean up) ML my temp dir quite often. What I usually see there are stuff from ML Word and other M$ leftovers. I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It amounted to just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp directories since using NT and now 2k. Never had a problem. In fact the total size of the temp folder is 18MB. - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 \\// Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOtWCi1fJ62ArBxfiEQL8WgCg3541/09aINw7UKyNP5SCipfOyuoAoLIi J6/nDhmpIFIIEbIiLoU6XNB2 =1yKD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:50:56 AM you wrote: TB will delete the files in the tmp folder if everything is fine. (I am talking about release versions, not the current betas, about which I know nothing). If there *might* be a problem, TB will leave the files in the tmp directory, so you can take a look at them if you wish. It's by design. Quite right and good. Since all my TB! mailinglist posts come into one folder and I tend to not look at the address to verify which list a message comes from, I haven't realized that we were talking beta stuff on TBUDL. As I posted in another mail, the problem with these temp files seems to have originated with one of the 1.52 betas - at least for me, can't speak for Anton. The best way to handle temp files is (and that's what actually is the design within Win9x) that every programme, which is exited as intended, should clear up its mess. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C The graveyards are full of people who rushed in bravely but unwisely. (Terry Pratchett) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtWAjPTo1oA8g8dLEQLYwgCg0jl8LJK8ONw1JMxZsXeKD9kw1NsAniQ8 btLsiCumHiH9ALdpQgOu+ljO =ahaT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:55:09 AM you wrote: It is not always a good idea to clear the tmp directories at shut-down or start-up by optting the command into the autoexec.bat. Some programs (when installing new software) leave files in the tmp or temp that are needed during subsequent start-up. Didn't want to imply that; I was just reminiscing of "the good old times". ;-) DH I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes DH themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or DH "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the DH Start menu is there for. No, as you can see above. OK, I shortened the exact procedure. At shut down Win9x exits running programmes, which prompt you to save open files or whatever they are designed to do. When these programmes exit, *they* usually clear up their specific temp files (and what else there is left). Some even have a special option for it (IE and other browsers for Temp Internet files). - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C History would be an excellent thing if only it were true. (Leo Tolstoi) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtWBt/To1oA8g8dLEQIIjwCgxsoxh9FoZPHm9SHtFUA1j8eU1aEAoOi3 1muY1dUnnJ7AlIbXAiIFfTLk =P6Jj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Windows has NEVER cleaned up after itself properly. This is to be expected from a company that continues to put more internal resources into eye-candy (witness the great emphasis on skinz for Whistler) rather than cleaning up bugs that have been around since Windows 95. jon |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 07:21 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- -| | | | To: Thomas| | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | cc: (bcc: Jonathan Wayne/PAMG/Prudential) | | Subject: Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the| | temp-directory? | -| -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 9:55:09 AM you wrote: It is not always a good idea to clear the tmp directories at shut-down or start-up by optting the command into the autoexec.bat. Some programs (when installing new software) leave files in the tmp or temp that are needed during subsequent start-up. Didn't want to imply that; I was just reminiscing of "the good old times". ;-) DH I always thought with Win9x technology Windows or the programmes DH themselves take care of that. with the exception of a crash or DH "uncontrolled" shut-down. That's one thing the "shut-down" in the DH Start menu is there for. No, as you can see above. OK, I shortened the exact procedure. At shut down Win9x exits running programmes, which prompt you to save open files or whatever they are designed to do. When these programmes exit, *they* usually clear up their specific temp files (and what else there is left). Some even have a special option for it (IE and other browsers for Temp Internet files). -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hallo Dierk, On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:16:43 +0200 GMT (12/04/2001, 19:16 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: It's by design. DH Quite right and good. [...] DH The best way to handle temp files is (and that's what actually is the DH design within Win9x) that every programme, which is exited as DH intended, should clear up its mess. Are you contradicting yourself? If there is a problem and you have to restart TB, I think it is a good idea that you are still able to scrutinize the temp files later to find the problem. But that's a matter of taste, I guess. This thread is starting to go in circles, or is it? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.49g under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
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Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Dierk - Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK, I'm going to abandon replying to any more messages with this email client - Lotus Notes - which I hate immensely but have to use at work! Completely inflexible. Otherwise will probably resubscribe at home where I use TB and can create properly formatted replies. jon |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || Sent by: | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || om| || | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 10:40 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- -| | | | To: Jonathan Wayne| | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | cc:| | Subject: Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the| | temp-directory? | -| -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 3:36:30 PM you wrote: |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 07:21 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- ?? Did I miss anything? Or am I in a coma? - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a "broker"? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtWwOPTo1oA8g8dLEQIV9ACg+whA1QdQ78RujQYfTL862gbMn6MAoJZH R1u/1OohNIa/UxTBeoAuRA+Q =S+Yq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On 12-04-2001 at 16:54, Jonathan Wayne kindly wrote: Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK, I'm going to abandon replying to any more messages with this email client - Lotus Notes - which I hate immensely but have to use at work! Completely inflexible. I'd dump Lotus Notes immediately. What it apparently does, is re-create both the headers and the body of the message that you are replying to, and present them in a kind of ascii-box. |+- || Dierk Haasis | || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | || Sent by: | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| || om| || | || | || | || Thursday April 12, 2001 10:40 | || AM| || Please respond to TBUDL | || | |+- ... and that's just the *header*. - K - -- Zwei Dinge sind unendlich: Die Dummheit und das All Nur die Liebe und das Wetter hren nimmer, nimmer auf - Einstrzende Neubauten: Was ist ist -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp -directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan On 12 April 2001 at 10:47:29 -0400 (which was 15:47 where I live) Jonathan Wayne wrote Yes, as per 1H of the TBUDL Terms and Conditions. (Plus I have to use Lotus Notes at work and I'm still trying to figure out the best way to reply to the list (this one shows what happens when I "Reply With History"!) Thank you for the explanation. I did get this at the bottom of you reply [ attachment or non text part has been remove by MDaemon ] I now remember why I thorough out Lotus Notes. - -- BBFN, ___ David | MUA :- The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2000 Server 5.0.2195 SP1 | International | | "My god Jim! I'm a tagline, not a doctor!" | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 04/01) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOtXD4vmK8eZlD0U0EQIpiQCcDkm+PwIfDE1yU/PQT8gYX5v4HYAAn1WG iKfvUrp4GdhCf2fdp0mhC8Ez =31Av -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hi Dierk, Thursday, April 12, 2001, 4:16:43 AM, you wrote: As I posted in another mail, the problem with these temp files seems to have originated with one of the 1.52 betas - at least for me, can't speak for Anton. I found thousands of TB files in my Temp folder, and I'm not currently running a TB beta (and haven't tried any of the 1.52 ones, yet). So, on my end this happens with the last official version. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.51 OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, April 12, 2001 at 4:54:52 PM you wrote: Unless you tell me that this reply looked OK I just redirected it to you, so you can have a look at all the things Notes does wrong. It is not PGP signed because I wanted it to look just like I received it. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/3 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C To live is like to love, all reason is against it and all healthy instinct for it. (Samuel Butler) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOtW+pPTo1oA8g8dLEQLUwgCgiNV6LcyiZJglcOk4o/Urw8AGL3MAnR8N XP117gc4tgO4C9AZXPYh1sbz =L//B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 12:00:01 +1000 K wrote: Yeah I get up to 500 or so each week, even though they are mostly 0-Byte in size they take up heaps of space on your HDD cause EVERY file is allocated a "Minimum" size on the HDD and collectively a few hundred can add up to a lot of wasted space, I'm afraid this is not quite correct. The only physical space a 0-byte file takes up on your HD is the directory entry, which is very little. It won't take up any data cluster. this is known as "Slack Space" and your defrag prog may give you stats of the amout of this space you have, I'm afraid this is not correct, either. "Slack space" means the wasted space resulting from a cluster being not fully used. It's the difference of the cluster size and the actual space needed for the *last* cluster of a file. If you have many small files (single-cluster files), then the slack space would be large in comparison to the actual file size. Since 0-byte files don't take up any data cluster, however, it doesn't generate any slack space. As well as that when you run a defrag, it takes ages, because it's got so many more File-Entries on the HDD to process, Not really. They may occupy directory entries, but there's no data cluster to move. also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully! As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't clean them up more often, nor am I suggesting it's ok for RIT not to clean them up when appropriate (when closing, e.g.), but your idea about how 0-byte files work on a FAT/FAT32 system seems to be wrong. As always, it might be me who is wrong. My apology if that's the case and please do correct me. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 at 05:25:15 -0500 A Curtis Martin wrote: I just checked mine and found 1503 TB! related objects!! It amounted to just 48KB however. I've never emptied my temp directories since using NT and now 2k. Never had a problem. In fact the total size of the temp folder is 18MB. Generally speaking, leftovers in the temp dir aren't really problematic to our day-to-day operation. When there are too many of them, however, it does slow down some programs' operation somewhat. Each program has its unique way of generating temp file names, and it has to check if a file of the same name is already in the dir. If there are many leftovers in the dir from the same program, chances are it would have to try more than once to get a unique file name. Another matter is if a directory is too large (has too many files, regardless of their size), directory-related operation would slow down. Since temp dir is used by some many programs, it might slow the system down. Whether it's observable is another matter. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Thursday, April 12, 2001, 10:53:13 AM, you wrote: also same if you delete heaps of them at once, your machine may seem to "Hang" as the HDD re-writes hundreds or thousands of FAT-entries... ...just wait for it to finish gracefully! As said, 0-byte files take up directory entries, but no FAT entries. Actually, I think what takes so long when deleting hundreds (I did 653 from \windows\temp because of TB!) or thousands (I did 32,000 + from \windows\inf the other day because of WinME automatic updates) is if you are doing it in a way that the files are sent to the recycle bin. Once you get away from that, it goes much faster. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello Ming-Li, Anyway, it's always a good idea to clean up your temp-dir from time to time. After all, TB isn't the only program that leave things there. I don't know, what external program I use. I just open TB, read my emails, send some emails. And really nothing else. Attachments - seldom. And every day I have files from bat2.tmp to bat84.tmp and many more. All tmp-files have the size Zero. I'm sure, there must be another explanation. -- Best regards, Anton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 (german version) Service Pack 1 Software in the background: Zonealarm Pro 1.0.122 McAfee 5.16 - scan engine 4.1.40 Browsers: Opera 5.02 english version IE 5.50.4522.1800 german version -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On April 10, 2001, at 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still there when I close TB. Is that usual? I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... yet with Beta 1 there were none to speak of. That, plus many other anomalies have convinced me to leave Beta 3 and 4 alone until they resolve all the problems people are having. I don't think it is a very stable Beta, and therefore will not be tested properly. Nick ___ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ PGP 7.0.4 | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 10:57:50 AM, you wrote: On April 10, 2001, at 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still there when I close TB. Is that usual? I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... yet with Beta 1 there were none to speak of. That, plus many other anomalies have convinced me to leave Beta 3 and 4 alone until they resolve all the problems people are having. I don't think it is a very stable Beta, and therefore will not be tested properly. Nick ___ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ PGP 7.0.4 | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ I am using 1.51, not a beta. I just looked in my temp directory, and found 653 bat related temporary files, all of 0 bites. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 17:45:26 +0200 Anton Sommer wrote: I don't know, what external program I use. I just open TB, read my emails, send some emails. And really nothing else. Attachments - seldom. Do you receive html messages with lots of graphics? They might need to be saved as temp files to be handled (even by TB). I'm not sure about this for at this moment I couldn't find any to try, but it's a possibility. And every day I have files from bat2.tmp to bat84.tmp and many more. All tmp-files have the size Zero. I'm sure, there must be another explanation. Another thought just came to my mind: do you use any anti-virus program that would check email in the background? I don't use any of those, so it's just a wild guess. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 08:57:50 -0700 Nick Andriash wrote: I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, even though my Bat has been up for many hours. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ming-Li, On 11 April 2001 at 09:41:45 -0700 (which was 17:41 where I live) Ming-Li wrote to Nick Andriash on TBUDL and made these points: I'm still with Beta 1 because with Beta 3 and 4, there were absolutely hundreds of temp files left behind... ML FWIW, I use beta 4 and there's no temp files in my temp dir, even ML though my Bat has been up for many hours. Are you certain of that? I have *hundreds*. If I'm teaching grannie the art of egg-sucking, forgive me, but the "temp" dir is a bit tucked away in Win2k: \Documents and Settings\(user).(machine)\local settings\temp If that's where you looked and there really are no TB temp files, I'm surprised. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Consultant Software Engineer [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOtSL+jnkJKuSnc2gEQLYPACdFYWFQew0N7l/2a65u1SXcmtn9BEAoOVb YV54wzWFmp4BaP4fchr9RDef =hLVE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 at 11:26:41 -0500 Dwight A Corrin wrote: I am using 1.51, not a beta. I just looked in my temp directory, and found 653 bat related temporary files, all of 0 bites. This 0-byte thing brought to me an old memory. I'm not sure if it's (still) true, but I vaguely remember learning that 0-byte files, unless created intentionally, happen most often when a file-deleting operation is not complete. I.e., the necessary FAT/FAT32 changes have been made, but the directory entry isn't erased. Could this be the case? For those of you who see this a lot, what OS are you using (my guessing is Win9x, for its file management is weaker)? Well, I'm not sure what to make of this even if it's true. Just a thought. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/4 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
On Tuesday, April 10, 2001, 1:19:46 PM, Anton Sommer wrote: AS there are dozents of temp files in the temp-dir. They are still AS there when I close TB. AS Is that usual? Yes. With ver 1.51, I usually get 1000 files! I just checked, and over the last two weeks or so, I have 1170 temp files from TB. ztrader -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Why so many undeleted bat-tmp files in the temp-directory?
Hello Ming-Li, Another thought just came to my mind: do you use any anti-virus program that would check email in the background? I don't use any of those, so it's just a wild guess. I use McAfee to check the emails but I never believed that it would work:-) No, I closed McAfee, deleted all temp-files, startet TB again and have the same effect. A temp file invasion Now I think this is a new quality of computer mystics somebody have it, somebody not I will leave the way of realistic, physik, science and whatever and will think about water vein under my house:-) -- Best regards, Anton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 (german version) Service Pack 1 Software in the background: Zonealarm Pro 1.0.122 McAfee 5.16 - scan engine 4.1.40 Browsers: Opera 5.02 english version IE 5.50.4522.1800 german version -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
