Re: question on filters

[monsell]

Msg-Ref: 14858109-Jul-2008 (Wed)   16:21 Hours (GMT +0530)


dear mr roelof,


M> i just keep the filters the way i want to.

>> Please do so.
>> BTW You also sent this message to me via private mail. Please don't do
>> that to me. I prefer to keep these discussions public.

thank you for the detailed explanation, appreciated. also regret that i
had in error hit the reply all button thereby your private email id
too being added to the main email msg.

this is very much regretted.

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Re: question on filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo monsell,

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:09:19 +0530GMT (9-7-2008, 5:39 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

M>> the command given to the sub-filter is "headers contain Z or text
M>> contains Z". the main filter X is commanded under "continue processing
M>> other filters".

>>> Why did you enable 'continue processing'? That is not necessary
>>> to enable subfilters.

M> what does "continue processing with other filters" really do? as you
M> said, i have disabled this function from the respective filter.

'Continue processing' lets messages that trigger a filter be
processed by other filters on the same level. Let's explain it with an
example:

FilterA
FilterB
  SubfilterJ
FilterC
  SubfilterK
  SubfilterL
  SubfilterM
FilterD
FilterE
  SubfilterN
FilterF
FilterG
FilterH
FilterI

In this filter tree FilterF and SufilterL have 'continue processing..'
enabled.
A message triggers A, all processing stops at A.
A message triggers B, it will be processed by B's subfilters and stops
afterwards, so it will be matched against J and stop then, whether it
triggers J or not.
A message triggers C and afterwards triggers K, it stops there.
A message triggers C and afterwards doesn't trigger K, but triggers L,
it will continue to M and stop there, whether it triggers M or not.
A message triggers F, it will be matched against GHI, until there is a
match or it has reached the last filter (I)

M> i just keep the filters the way i want to.

Please do so.
BTW You also sent this message to me via private mail. Please don't do
that to me. I prefer to keep these discussions public.

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Re: question on filters

[monsell]

Hi Mr Roelof,

M> the command given to the sub-filter is "headers contain Z or text
M> contains Z". the main filter X is commanded under "continue processing
M> other filters".

>> Why did you enable 'continue processing'? That is not necessary
>> to enable subfilters.

what does "continue processing with other filters" really do? as you
said, i have disabled this function from the respective filter.

M> what i want to do is to get messages coming into Y with Z commands
M> sub-filtered to Z although Z is under X

>> In that case you need an additional filter.
>> As I read your message you want messages with both X and Z or message
>> with both Y and Z to be filtered into Z.

>> Create a new subfilter (with Y as parent) to filter Z messages to Z.

>> Another option would be to create a new primary level filter with two
>> condition blocks: (X and Z) or (Y and Z) and place that filter before
>> the X and Y filters, you don't need any subfilters this way.

what i did was placed another command under Z as follows:-

header contains Z or text contains Z and not header contains 
say for example i want the name 'vernon' filtered to Z from X and Y
but Z rests under X. mail arriving under X will be automatically be
searched for 'vernon' and sub filtered to Z.

mail arriving in Y will also be checked for header contains Z or text
contains Z and not header contains 'vernon'. since 'vernon' also
arrived at Y but will be rejected and transferred to the subfilter Z
automatically.

i just keep the filters the way i want to.

please comment

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Re: question on filters

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 8 July 2008 at 2:02:39 PM, in
,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> hi,

> i have created filters under 'common' filters as i use different email
> id's.

> there are two main filters called X and Y and messages are filtered in
> perfectly.

> under the filter X, i have created a sub filter called Z. the
> sub-filter too works perfectly.

> the command given to the sub-filter is "headers contain Z or text
> contains Z". the main filter X is commanded under "continue processing
> other filters".

> what i want to do is to get messages coming into Y with Z commands
> sub-filtered to Z although Z is under X

> at the moment what happens is although the Z is in the header/text of
> the messages, it goes directly to Y because Z is under X.

Two suggestions:

1. Make Z a filter instead of a sub-filter. If you want Z to only
trigger if X or Y is true, you could set a "user parameter" as an
action of both X and Y and make Z filter on that user parameter as
well as the Z header/text.

or 2. Put a subfilter Z under Y as well, the same as the one under X.

2. is simpler to set up but 1. means if you want to change the actions
of the Z filter in the future you only need to change one filter.

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Re: question on filters

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo monsell,

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:32:39 +0530GMT (8-7-2008, 15:02 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

M> i have created filters under 'common' filters as i use different email
M> id's.

ok

M> there are two main filters called X and Y and messages are filtered in
M> perfectly.

ok

M> under the filter X, i have created a sub filter called Z. the
M> sub-filter too works perfectly.

great

M> the command given to the sub-filter is "headers contain Z or text
M> contains Z". the main filter X is commanded under "continue processing
M> other filters".

Why did you enable 'continue processing'? That is not necessary
to enable subfilters.

M> what i want to do is to get messages coming into Y with Z commands
M> sub-filtered to Z although Z is under X

In that case you need an additional filter.
As I read your message you want messages with both X and Z or message
with both Y and Z to be filtered into Z.

Create a new subfilter (with Y as parent) to filter Z messages to Z.

Another option would be to create a new primary level filter with two
condition blocks: (X and Z) or (Y and Z) and place that filter before
the X and Y filters, you don't need any subfilters this way.

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Re: question on filters

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Monsell,

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:32:39 +0530 GMT (08/07/2008, 20:02 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

mmic> the command given to the sub-filter is "headers contain Z or text
mmic> contains Z". the main filter X is commanded under "continue processing
mmic> other filters".

mmic> what i want to do is to get messages coming into Y with Z commands
mmic> sub-filtered to Z although Z is under X

mmic> at the moment what happens is although the Z is in the header/text of
mmic> the messages, it goes directly to Y because Z is under X.

The way you have set it up, the common filter is shared by both
accounts, if I understand you correctly. The incoming messages is
caught by filter X, but continues to filter Y, which moves the message
to account Z. This is expected behaviour. The great advantages of
common filters is that it doesn't matter through which account the
email comes in, it will always be moved to the same folder, regardless
of the account it is under.

I think you need to set up two identical but seperate account filters.

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question on filters

[monsell]

hi,

i have created filters under 'common' filters as i use different email
id's.

there are two main filters called X and Y and messages are filtered in
perfectly.

under the filter X, i have created a sub filter called Z. the
sub-filter too works perfectly.

the command given to the sub-filter is "headers contain Z or text
contains Z". the main filter X is commanded under "continue processing
other filters".

what i want to do is to get messages coming into Y with Z commands
sub-filtered to Z although Z is under X

at the moment what happens is although the Z is in the header/text of
the messages, it goes directly to Y because Z is under X.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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JA>> String  Location Presence
JA>> ^Subject.\s*send.pgp.keys   Kludges  Yes

DvZ> I don't know why, but this doesn't work for me. If I use this regexp
DvZ> in my filter string it doesn't even match "send_pgp_keys".
DvZ> Can someone please help me?

I suspect that you don't have 'regular expressions' enabled in your
filter rules options.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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Hello Januk,

On Thursday, October 12, 2000, 9:06:45 PM, Januk Aggarwal wrote
concerning 'Another question on filters and templates':

JA> What about using a simple regexp in your filter string?  I'm not
JA> exactly sure if this is right, but perhaps someone will correct
me if
JA> I'm wrong.  I'm just using Kirster's filter as an example.

JA> String  Location Presence
JA> ^Subject.\s*send.pgp.keys   Kludges  Yes

I don't know why, but this doesn't work for me. If I use this regexp
in my filter string it doesn't even match "send_pgp_keys".
Can someone please help me?

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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  On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:16:45 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:


ACM>> The request that I sent and which triggered Krister's filter had text in
ACM>> it. Krister, does your filter have other string match requirements in it
ACM>> aside from the subject string match?

KE> Nope, that is, not as far as I know. Have to recheck my filter and
KE> put the Regexp that some list members kindly sent me in the signal
KE> strings... If i only knew what regexp i should put there...:-)

^Subject.\s*send\W*pgp\W*keys

Don't forget to enable regular expressions in your filter rules options.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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Hi!

on Friday, October 13, 2000 19:50:08, our bat friend A . Curtis Martin typed:


DH>> OK, I help you out by sending another request *without* text in the
DH>> body. See if it does what it should.

ACM> The request that I sent and which triggered Krister's filter had text in
ACM> it. Krister, does your filter have other string match requirements in it
ACM> aside from the subject string match?

Nope, that is, not as far as I know. Have to recheck my filter and put
the Regexp that some list members kindly sent me in the signal strings... If i only
knew what regexp i should put there...:-)




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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo JMReichow,

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:54:35 +0200 GMT (14/10/2000, 00:54 +0800 GMT),
JMReichow wrote:

J> I'd  put  individual  Language  Settings  for  individual  users on my
J> wish-list.

I like this. Should be in the .ini file, and each user would start TB
with his/her own .ini file, like Opera.

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Re[2]: Another question on filters and templates

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A.> Looks like PGP will not signed a message with nothing in the message
A.> body.

Allie, that's how I always understood it.  I believe PGP 2.6.3 viewed
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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:40:13 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> You might consider checking out the /Focus command line parameter.
JA> I'm not sure if you can use it to log into groups.

Yeah, I created a user group for the two accounts I wish to see and
called it Allie.

For my TB! shortcut I edited the target path to:
"L:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /FocusU="Allie""

It now starts without having to logon. I also created a shortcut to open
TB! in admin mode.

JA> I guess you missed my post explaining how to get out of that one. :)

Actually I didn't but there was more to it. Creating the user accounts
wasn't clear. I still had to be experimenting.

JA> TB will not allow you to make all accounts user accounts by either
JA> deletions or otherwise (*from within TB*).

So I've come to notice.

JA> The menus are not as nice in the group mode.  The separators and the
JA> groupings seem to have been omitted.  Cosmetic bug?

The menu separators are still here for me.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:29:04 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote:

>> First of all let me comment one thing. When you sent the pgp key
>> request, it triggered the filter fine, however, when Dierk did, and
>> when another user on another list did the same thing, it didn't
>> trigger. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that there was text in
>> the replies that didn't trigger the filter... Nah, i dunno and now to
>> your other questions.

DH> OK, I help you out by sending another request *without* text in the
DH> body. See if it does what it should.

The request that I sent and which triggered Krister's filter had text in
it. Krister, does your filter have other string match requirements in it
aside from the subject string match?

DH> And I found something funny doing it: I deleted everything in the
DH> message body and tried to put the message into the Outbox. Well, as
DH> you can infer, I usually sign my messages automatically with PGP.
DH> Now, the empty message did not go into the Outbox. PGP did sign it,
DH> when I entered a random letter. So I disabled "Sign message ...",
DH> and I could send it.

That behaviour is confirmed here as well.

DH> Did I find a bug in TB! or PGP? Or am I just stupidly missing
DH> something vital to signing with PGP?

Looks like PGP will not signed a message with nothing in the message
body.

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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

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Friday, October 13, 2000, 10:01:24 AM, scriptur:


> (#2000-414) - Topics This Issue:
...
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:40:13 -0700
> From: Januk Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Multi-user environment
>    (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

I read that thread and Januk's test report with much interest (as I am
one  of  the multi-account users who went through mishaps like locking
themselves  out of TB by external file manipulation - and, admittedly,
by saving a password ending with a " " i.e. a space :-)

JA>>> 1.  I  made my main account and my dummy account both user level
JA>>> accounts.  2. When I fire up TB, I get a login box asking for my
JA>>> username.
...
>> Since  I  easily  remembered  the  story  of a new user changing an
>> account  to user and not being able to logon, I did some reading of
>> the documentation.

> I guess you missed my post explaining how to get out of that one. :)
> TB will not allow you to make all accounts user accounts by either
> deletions or otherwise (*from within TB*).
...
>> Unfortunately, *again*, the documentation is poor and I
>> had to do the usual experimenting (not safe in this particular
>> instance).

> Actually it is safe *now*, but that's not very comforting for long
> time users.

One addition to Januk's multi-account report:

No Multiple Language Settings !!!
I  was gonna say the language settings, paradoxically enough, can only
be  applied  _globally_  (!) - and this means whoever (of the multiple
users) changes the settings changes them for the next one who will log
in,  even  if into another account. It does not seem to matter whether
you  have administrator or user rights, _but_ (what I only learnt now,
while checking again) the administrator can very well, under Options |
Network  &  Administration  | Privileges disable the individual users'
Options Menu in general.  (The good thing, in case the Options Menu is
not  toggled, is that you can at least change Language Settings on the
fly  -  as long as you remember where in the column you will find back
your  language  before trying something really exotic... [ Yes, I'm as
well extending my own list of stupid mistakes ]).

I'd  put  individual  Language  Settings  for  individual  users on my
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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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Hello Krister!

On Friday, October 13, 2000 at 2:18:27 PM you wrote:


> First of all let me comment one thing. When you sent the pgp key
> request, it triggered the filter fine, however, when Dierk did, and
> when another user on another list did the same thing, it didn't
> trigger. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that there was text in
> the replies that didn't trigger the filter... Nah, i dunno and now to
> your other questions.

OK,  I  help  you  out  by sending another request *without* text in the
body. See if it does what it should.

And  I  found  something  funny  doing  it:  I deleted everything in the
message  body and tried to put the message into the Outbox. Well, as you
can  infer,  I usually sign my messages automatically with PGP. Now, the
empty  message  did  not  go  into  the Outbox. PGP did sign it, when I
entered  a  random letter. So I disabled "Sign message ...", and I could
send it.

Did  I find a bug in TB! or PGP? Or am I just stupidly missing something
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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:27 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

  
ACM>> Did you change the position of the key request filter in the filter rule
ACM>> listing either manually or indirectly by adding other filters?

KE> Hmm, so i did. I added an antispam filter which became the last one
KE> in the list. That's the place for an antispam filter to be, right?

Not really. If the antispam filter is placed there to delete spam as
they come in, then one of the earlier filters could match the spam
message and prevent its deletion. It could stay there provided that the
preceding filters are precise in what they're supposed to filter.

Spam filters are usually placed at the top.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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  On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:52:00 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

JA>> I guess it depends on how sticky you want to be.  Of course you could
JA>> also specify a maximum number of errors.  Supposing you want a maximum
JA>> of 4 mistakes between each of the keywords, the regexp becomes:

JA>> ^Subject.\s*send.{0,4}pgp.{0,4}keys

KE> Erm, stupid question of the week: Why the {0,4}?

It means that there should be a minumum of 0 but no more than 4 of the
characters immediately preceding the quantifier, in this case, '.' which
means any character except a new line.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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on Thursday, October 12, 2000 18:13:58, our bat friend Gerd Ewald typed:


GE> Sorry Krister, no help but a question. I have the same template-filter
GE> configuration for auto-reply. I realized you use %SIGNCOMPLETE for signing the
GE> auto-reply.

GE> Does this work ?? Everything works fine here, but I'm never asked to enter my
GE> passphrase for signing although all checkboxes are ticked the way they should.

GE> What do you do that I don't think of ?

Heck i don't know! I just figured that it worked. I don't get those
passphraze boxes either, now that you say it... I cache my decrypt and
signing passphrases for an hour but... No, i don't know what i do, and
now when you say it, i don't really know if it works... Have to check
this out...




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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[Krister Ekstrom]

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Hi!
First of all let me comment one thing. When you sent the pgp key
request, it triggered the filter fine, however, when Dierk did, and
when another user on another list did the same thing, it didn't
trigger. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that there was text in
the replies that didn't trigger the filter... Nah, i dunno and now to
your other questions.

on Thursday, October 12, 2000 15:10:01, our bat friend A . Curtis Martin typed:

KE>> %SUBJECT=""
ACM> ^^^
ACM> You don't need this line to completely change the
ACM> subject.

Ok, just an extra precaution.

ACM> Did you change the position of the key request filter in the filter rule
ACM> listing either manually or indirectly by adding other filters?

Hmm, so i did. I added an antispam filter which became the last one in
the list. That's the place for an antispam filter to be, right?

ACM> Also check if you inadvertently changed other settings. Is the 'manual
ACM> only' switch enabled? Is the 'active' switch disabled?

No to both questions.





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Re: Another question on filters and templates

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Hi!

on Thursday, October 12, 2000 23:02:18, our bat friend Januk Aggarwal typed:


JA> I guess it depends on how sticky you want to be.  Of course you could
JA> also specify a maximum number of errors.  Supposing you want a maximum
JA> of 4 mistakes between each of the keywords, the regexp becomes:

JA> ^Subject.\s*send.{0,4}pgp.{0,4}keys

Erm, stupid question of the week: Why the {0,4}?




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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

[Januk Aggarwal]

On  Thursday, October 12, 2000  at  22:13:33 GMT -0500 (which was 8:13 PM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:

>   On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:30:26 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA>> 1. I made my main account and my dummy account both user level accounts.
JA>> 2. When I fire up TB, I get a login box asking for my username.

> I've been, for a long time, wanting to suppress the visibility of one of
> the accounts that I hardly use, and decided to try this stuff myself.

You might consider checking out the /Focus command line parameter.
I'm not sure if you can use it to log into groups.

> Since I easily remembered the story of a new user changing an account to
> user and not being able to logon, I did some reading of the
> documentation.

I guess you missed my post explaining how to get out of that one. :)
TB will not allow you to make all accounts user accounts by either
deletions or otherwise (*from within TB*).  So long as your remember
that account name, you can recover from this testing.  Of course this
was only added in a fairly recent version (1.42 or something?)

> Unfortunately, *again*, the documentation is poor and I
> had to do the usual experimenting (not safe in this particular
> instance).

Actually it is safe *now*, but that's not very comforting for long
time users.

> Anyway, I made the accounts I wanted to see user accounts,
> created a user-group that could use these two accounts and logged back
> on as such. The hardly used account is now the administrator account.

The menus are not as nice in the group mode.  The separators and the
groupings seem to have been omitted.  Cosmetic bug?

> This really shouldn't be the case now should it? This needs to be tidied
> up. The bat icon should animate only when new mail arrives in the user
> account/s and not just any account.

Agreed.

JA>> 7. I checked my quick templates.  I can not access QT's from other
JA>>accounts despite the "Share with other accounts" option.  This
JA>>seems like a bug.

> Indeed it seems so, unless the developers think that QT sharing means
> the other account holders can share the quick templates but not edit
> them.

Ok, but as I point out later there should be a way to at least
view them.

JA>> This doesn't make sense.  TB tries hard to hide the other accounts
JA>> from me other places (eg. Filters, QT), but not in the check mail
JA>> list?  Is this consistent behaviour?

> Nope. The user should not have any control over other accounts unless
> explicitly granted. This should include mail checking.

Agreed, and add to that list: sending mail.

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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

[A . Curtis Martin]

  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:30:26 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> 1. I made my main account and my dummy account both user level accounts.
JA> 2. When I fire up TB, I get a login box asking for my username.

I've been, for a long time, wanting to suppress the visibility of one of
the accounts that I hardly use, and decided to try this stuff myself.
Since I easily remembered the story of a new user changing an account to
user and not being able to logon, I did some reading of the
documentation. Unfortunately, *again*, the documentation is poor and I
had to do the usual experimenting (not safe in this particular
instance). Anyway, I made the accounts I wanted to see user accounts,
created a user-group that could use these two accounts and logged back
on as such. The hardly used account is now the administrator account.

JA> So a user has no way of knowing from within TB how many other accounts
JA> exist.  However, the user can know that other accounts exist since the
JA> little animation will flap when *any* account has new mail, even if
JA> you can't see that account.

This really shouldn't be the case now should it? This needs to be tidied
up. The bat icon should animate only when new mail arrives in the user
account/s and not just any account.

JA> 7. I checked my quick templates.  I can not access QT's from other
JA>accounts despite the "Share with other accounts" option.  This
JA>seems like a bug.

Indeed it seems so, unless the developers think that QT sharing means
the other account holders can share the quick templates but not edit
them.

JA> 8. I opened a new message.  My template comes up ok.  This is strange,
JA>that template is a QT defined in another account.

This behaviour I confirm. Maybe it's a look but don't touch thing. IOW's
you may use them but not edit them. But how are you to use them, if you
can't see them?

JA>But, typing in a QT Handle from another account + 
JA>results in "QT handle not found" errors.

Confirmed. The quick templates aren't listed in the Utilities menu
either.

JA> This certainly seems like a bug.  I gave permission to all accounts to
JA> use those QT's when I defined them.  Why shouldn't I be able to
JA> manually access them in any way?

At this point, I do agree that this seems like buggy behaviour.

JA> This doesn't make sense.  TB tries hard to hide the other accounts
JA> from me other places (eg. Filters, QT), but not in the check mail
JA> list?  Is this consistent behaviour?

Nope. The user should not have any control over other accounts unless
explicitly granted. This should include mail checking.

JA> Also I can change accounts in the message editor window, meaning I
JA> can see all accounts here too. Isn't that a risk considering the
JA> reasons for creating User level accounts and groups? For my purpose,
JA> this might be a good thing, but it seems counter intuitive to me.
JA> Why hide the QT's for the other accounts? Why not allow *viewing* or
JA> *using* the QT's for other accounts? I can understand not allowing
JA> *editing* of QT's from other accounts.

Agreed.

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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marck,

On  Thursday, October 12, 2000  at  00:13:00 GMT +0100 (which was 4:13 PM
where I live) witnesses say Marck D. Pearlstone typed:


> Group? No se quinosabe. I just have two accounts defined. Simple and
> straight forward. Added through "New account" on the main menu.

Ok, that means they are both Administrator accounts.  If you go into
Network and Administration, you can change the accounts to User and
apply permissions.

>  The
> first is called "Marck". It's my real account and I do everything from
> it.

That sounds like my Januk account.  I have a dummy account to hold all
mailing list mail.  It has no POP/SMTP settings, it depends purely on
other accounts' filters to receive mail.  It also uses
%Account="Januk" macros to be able to send mail through the other
accounts.  This is just to give background on the following:

I just did the test in full gory detail.

1. I made my main account and my dummy account both user level accounts.
2. When I fire up TB, I get a login box asking for my username.
3. So I enter "Januk" and I get my main account and nothing else.
   This is as it should be.
4. Now I received some mailing list mail, and it got filtered out
   of my main account.  The little bat is flapping it's little heart
   out, but there is no new mail in this account.
5. I shut down TB and relaunch it.  This time I enter my mailing list
   account name and I see only the mailing list account.  Good.  The
   missing mail is sitting in the appropriate folder.  Great.  That
   answers my original question.

Despite the user "Januk" not being able to see "Mailing Lists",
"Januk" can still filter mail to "Mailing Lists."  Now the test
continues:

6. I tried to create a filter from "Mailing Lists" to "Januk" while
   logged in as only a user (not Administrator).  I can only create
   filters to the current account.  Fine.

So a user has no way of knowing from within TB how many other accounts
exist.  However, the user can know that other accounts exist since the
little animation will flap when *any* account has new mail, even if
you can't see that account.  So let's check some other details:

7. I checked my quick templates.  I can not access QT's from other
   accounts despite the "Share with other accounts" option.  This
   seems like a bug.

8. I opened a new message.  My template comes up ok.  This is strange,
   that template is a QT defined in another account. But, typing in a
   QT Handle from another account +  results in "QT
   handle not found" errors.

This certainly seems like a bug.  I gave permission to all accounts to
use those QT's when I defined them.  Why shouldn't I be able to
manually access them in any way?

Almost done with the testing here, let's try checking mail for all
accounts.  Remember I'm in the "Mailing List" account with no POP/SMTP
settings.  So I expect either an error or all other accounts to be
checked.

9. A quick  nothing happens.  Ok, I expected that.

10. Let's verify by clicking on the little down arrow on the check
mail icon off the toolbar. Wait a second, all the accounts are
listed here.  I click on my main account, mail checks ok and mail
gets filtered into the "Mailing List" account.

This doesn't make sense.  TB tries hard to hide the other accounts
from me other places (eg. Filters, QT), but not in the check mail
list?  Is this consistent behaviour?  Also I can change accounts in
the message editor window, meaning I can see all accounts here too.
Isn't that a risk considering the reasons for creating User level
accounts and groups?  For my purpose, this might be a good thing, but
it seems counter intuitive to me.  Why hide the QT's for the other
accounts?  Why not allow *viewing* or *using* the QT's for other
accounts?  I can understand not allowing *editing* of QT's from other
accounts.

On to our final test.  As I mentioned the "Mailing Lists" account has
no POP/SMTP settings, so will I be able to send this message?  My
default template has an Account change macro, and the editor allows me
to change accounts.  I've seen that I can check mail for the other
accounts from anywhere, so I suspect yes.

11.  I hit send.  You'll have to assume yes if you're reading this. :)

JA>> If so, you log into your main account and everything is filtered
JA>> no problem?

> Yes.

I think we are talking about different things here.  I'm talking about
an actual login box.  It doesn't sound like you have any User accounts
set up, only administrator accounts.  If you have no User accounts,
you'll get no login box.

As I detailed above, filtering from one account to another is ok in
any mode.  You just need to set it up while you're logged in as an
administrator (default).

I hope this helps clear some things up.  Although it does raise the
issue, how are Server/Client setups handled with respect to the above
tests when done from the Server computer?  From the Client computers?

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Re: Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Januk,

On 12 October 2000 at 15:26:51 GMT -0700 (which was 23:26 where I
live) Januk Aggarwal wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)":

>> Me! Me! I have two accounts - my main (real) account and one I call
>> "Anti-Spam". My catch-all spam filter an account (A) moves messages
>> into the (B) Anti-spam inbox. A further "Read" filter in that
>> account generates a fake bounce for the original address and sends
>> it.

JA> Ok, just to make sure I understand your setup, your main account and
JA> your spam account both have only user privileges?  Presumably they are
JA> not in the same group, is this correct?

Group? No se quinosabe. I just have two accounts defined. Simple and
straight forward. Added through "New account" on the main menu. The
first is called "Marck". It's my real account and I do everything from
it. Real live multiple mail sources are handled by my MDaemon
installation on the server here, which trawls all of my various ISP
mailboxes and gateways for silverstones.com mail plonks those of them
that are for me in my [EMAIL PROTECTED] (without the
dontspamme of course - that's for the archives) mailbox which my Marck
account pulls out of the server on the LAN. The AS account is another
account at the same level as Marck in the folder tree.

JA> If so, you log into your main account and everything is filtered
JA> no problem?

Yes.

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Multi-user environment (was: Re: Another question on filters and templates)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Marck,

On  Thursday, October 12, 2000  at  22:32:57 GMT +0100 (which was 2:32 PM
where I live) witnesses say Marck D. Pearlstone typed:

> Me! Me! I have two accounts - my main (real) account and one I call
> "Anti-Spam". My catch-all spam filter an account (A) moves messages into the
> (B) Anti-spam inbox. A further "Read" filter in that account generates a
> fake bounce for the original address and sends it.

Ok, just to make sure I understand your setup, your main account and
your spam account both have only user privileges?  Presumably they are
not in the same group, is this correct?

If so, you log into your main account and everything is filtered no
problem?  This sounds like what I'm thinking of doing.


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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:32:57 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:


ACM>> It would also prevent problems if someone replies to your auto-reply. The
ACM>> Re: in the subject will prevent the regex match. :-) The only thing I'd
ACM>> add is changing the regex to "^Subject.\s*send.*pgp.*keys", in case the
ACM>> dash or space is accidentally left out.

MDP> I'd make that "^Subject.\s*send\W*pgp\W*keys" for best results. The
MDP> one you gave above would match "Subject: How do I send someone my
MDP> PGP keys?"

Indeed, indeed!! :-) You've touched on an area of using regex's that
takes some time to master and ie the art of preventing unwanted matches.
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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi A,

On 12 October 2000 at 15:29:15 GMT -0500 (which was 21:29 where I
live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Another question on filters and templates":

JA>> ^Subject.\s*send.pgp.keys   Kludges  Yes

JA>> The advantage of this string is that if someone manually typed in the
JA>> string, slight mistakes would automatically be accepted.  For example,
JA>> changing the underscores to spaces or dashes would still get matched.
JA>> Also any number of leading spaces would also be accepted.

ACM> It would also prevent problems if someone replies to your auto-reply. The
ACM> Re: in the subject will prevent the regex match. :-) The only thing I'd
ACM> add is changing the regex to "^Subject.\s*send.*pgp.*keys", in case the
ACM> dash or space is accidentally left out.

I'd make that "^Subject.\s*send\W*pgp\W*keys" for best results. The one
you gave above would match "Subject: How do I send someone my PGP keys?"

JA>> As seen above, changing folder locations can also cause problems.
JA>> Usually the problem only occurs when you move folders across accounts.
JA>> Moving to any level within the same account is usually no problem.

ACM> Changing folder names within the account or across accounts is not a
ACM> problem either. I frequently do this sort of thing and TB!'s filters
ACM> auto-adjust nicely.

It seems that moving folders doesn't set the "Save the filters" flag
and they will only get saved if you change something else in them by
hand.

JA>> And now for my question of the day: How much does TB know about
JA>> other accounts when you log into a single account? For example, say
JA>> A and B above were just user accounts. If I log into A, all I see is
JA>> A. So there are two parts to this question. First, will any filters
JA>> in A that *move* or copy messages to B still work? Second, will I be
JA>> able to *create* a filter which can move or copy a message to B
JA>> while logged into A?

ACM> I don't know. I've never done that. :-/ Anyone with experience in this
ACM> regard?

Me! Me! I have two accounts - my main (real) account and one I call
"Anti-Spam". My catch-all spam filter an account (A) moves messages into the
(B) Anti-spam inbox. A further "Read" filter in that account generates a
fake bounce for the original address and sends it.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[Januk Aggarwal]

On  Thursday, October 12, 2000  at  15:29:15 GMT -0500 (which was 1:29 PM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:

> On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:06:45 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:



JA>> String  Location Presence
JA>> ^Subject.\s*send.pgp.keys   Kludges  Yes



> It would also prevent problems if someone replies to your auto-reply. The
> Re: in the subject will prevent the regex match. :-)

You know, that was the motivation for writing this regexp.  And yet, I
didn't mention that benefit.  

> The only thing I'd
> add is changing the regex to "^Subject.\s*send.*pgp.*keys", in case the
> dash or space is accidentally left out.

I intentionally left out that modification, yet I can't remember why.
I guess it depends on how sticky you want to be.  Of course you could
also specify a maximum number of errors.  Supposing you want a maximum
of 4 mistakes between each of the keywords, the regexp becomes:

^Subject.\s*send.{0,4}pgp.{0,4}keys


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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:06:45 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> What about using a simple regexp in your filter string? I'm not
JA> exactly sure if this is right, but perhaps someone will correct me
JA> if I'm wrong. I'm just using Kirster's filter as an example.

JA> String  Location Presence
JA> ^Subject.\s*send.pgp.keys   Kludges  Yes

JA> The advantage of this string is that if someone manually typed in the
JA> string, slight mistakes would automatically be accepted.  For example,
JA> changing the underscores to spaces or dashes would still get matched.
JA> Also any number of leading spaces would also be accepted.

It would also prevent problems if someone replies to your auto-reply. The
Re: in the subject will prevent the regex match. :-) The only thing I'd
add is changing the regex to "^Subject.\s*send.*pgp.*keys", in case the
dash or space is accidentally left out.

>> I've never personally experienced this. Usually when one of my filter
>> breaks in such a way it's because I added another filter, which
>> created problems with the filter rule ordering.

JA> As seen above, changing folder locations can also cause problems.
JA> Usually the problem only occurs when you move folders across accounts.
JA> Moving to any level within the same account is usually no problem.

Changing folder names within the account or across accounts is not a
problem either. I frequently do this sort of thing and TB!'s filters
auto-adjust nicely.

JA> And now for my question of the day: How much does TB know about
JA> other accounts when you log into a single account? For example, say
JA> A and B above were just user accounts. If I log into A, all I see is
JA> A. So there are two parts to this question. First, will any filters
JA> in A that *move* or copy messages to B still work? Second, will I be
JA> able to *create* a filter which can move or copy a message to B
JA> while logged into A?

I don't know. I've never done that. :-/ Anyone with experience in this
regard?

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello A,

On  Thursday, October 12, 2000  at  08:10:01 GMT -0500 (which was 6:10 AM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:

> On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:24:48 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

KE>> filter is set up like this.
KE>> Name: pgp-sendkeys
KE>> Move to: trash.
KE>> Signalstrings  Location  Presence
KE>> send_pgp_keys  Subject   Yes



> No, I change my subject as well in my auto-reply. This is a good thing
> to do because if, the recipient sends you a thank you note or wishes to
> indicate a problem with the auto-reply then the filter will latch on to
> "send_pgp_keys" in the reply and resend the keys. Not to mention
> problems with running your own tests. :-)

What about using a simple regexp in your filter string?  I'm not
exactly sure if this is right, but perhaps someone will correct me if
I'm wrong.  I'm just using Kirster's filter as an example.

String  Location Presence
^Subject.\s*send.pgp.keys   Kludges  Yes

The advantage of this string is that if someone manually typed in the
string, slight mistakes would automatically be accepted.  For example,
changing the underscores to spaces or dashes would still get matched.
Also any number of leading spaces would also be accepted.

> There have been a number of reports about filters
> suddenly not working anymore when they were just working previously,
> despite the filter not being adjusted in any way.

I've experienced this recently, but that was due to changing my
directory structure from within TB.  I had two accounts that I was
rearranging with the following folder structures:

  A
  |_Inbox
|_ Sub1
  |_ SubsubA
  |_ SubsubB
  B
  |_ Inbox

I moved Sub1 to account B at the same level as account B's inbox, so:

  A
  |_ Inbox
  
  B
  |_ Inbox
  |_ Sub1
|_SubsubA
|_SubsubB

I then checked all my filters affected by the change.  TB still showed
the destination folders as \Sub1\Subsub(A|B), and any mail received
was still moved correctly.  However, when I shut down TB and
restarted, new mail was *not* being moved correctly.  The filters had
forgotten the new folder positions.  The only surprising bit about
this experience is that TB remembered the new locations during the
session when I did the moves.  I would expect TB to forget them right
away, give an error when new mail came in during that first session,
or remember the new locations for eternity.

> I've never personally
> experienced this. Usually when one of my filter breaks in such a way
> it's because I added another filter, which created problems with the
> filter rule ordering.

As seen above, changing folder locations can also cause problems.
Usually the problem only occurs when you move folders across accounts.
Moving to any level within the same account is usually no problem.

And now for my question of the day:
How much does TB know about other accounts when you log into a single
account?  For example, say A and B above were just user accounts.  If
I log into A, all I see is A.  So there are two parts to this
question.  First, will any filters in A that *move* or copy messages
to B still work?  Second, will I be able to *create* a filter which
can move or copy a message to B while logged into A?


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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:00:06 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote:


>> Good question. I had to sign mine manually sign my auto-reply.

GE> What do you mean when you say "..manually sign..." ? Did you sign
GE> the reply text and stored it in a .TXT-File which is %PUT into the
GE> reply ?

That was a typo. I meant that I created the template externally, signed
it, and then imported the signed message into the auto-reply template.


GE> My auto-reply message is in the Outbox in the second the filter
GE> found a msg with "send_key" in the subject line, without any
GE> 'hesitation'.

Same here, except that for my filter neither [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] should appear in the
headers of the message.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hello A. Curtis Martin !


On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:20:14 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was 12.10.2000, 18:20 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

GE>> Does this work ??

> Good question. I had to sign mine manually sign my auto-reply.


What do you mean when you say "..manually sign..." ? Did you sign the reply text
and stored it in a .TXT-File which is %PUT into the reply ? Or may you enter
your passphrase while TB! creates the reply ? My auto-reply message is in the
Outbox in the second the filter found a msg with "send_key" in the subject line,
without any 'hesitation'.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:13:58 +0200, Gerd Ewald wrote:

GE> [...]

>> This  is an automatic response generated by the bat! %thebatversion To
>> contact  me  via icq, use the number 902032, to reach me via email use
>> %fromaddr. %signcomplete

GE> [...]

GE> Sorry Krister, no help but a question. I have the same template-filter
GE> configuration for auto-reply. I realized you use %SIGNCOMPLETE for signing the
GE> auto-reply.

GE> Does this work ??

Good question. I had to sign mine manually sign my auto-reply.

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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[Gerd Ewald]

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Hello Krister Ekstrom !


On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:24:48 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 12.10.2000, 12:24 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

[...]

> This  is an automatic response generated by the bat! %thebatversion To
> contact  me  via icq, use the number 902032, to reach me via email use
> %fromaddr. %signcomplete

[...]

Sorry Krister, no help but a question. I have the same template-filter
configuration for auto-reply. I realized you use %SIGNCOMPLETE for signing the
auto-reply.

Does this work ?? Everything works fine here, but I'm never asked to enter my
passphrase for signing although all checkboxes are ticked the way they should.

What do you do that I don't think of ?


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Re: Another question on filters and templates

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:24:48 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

KE> I have a filter that is set up to send out pgp keys to those
KE> requesting it. I changed the template for the auto reply and suddenly
KE> my filters have stopped working. filter is set up like this.
KE> Name: pgp-sendkeys
KE> Move to: trash.
KE> Signalstrings  Location  Presence
KE> send_pgp_keys  Subject   Yes

Looking at your PGP request mailto: link, this seems OK.

KE> I have actions set to create an auto-reply with my keys attached.
KE> Here's the auto-reply template:



Seems fine to me.

What you placed in the auto-reply template shouldn't affect the filter
working anyway. It will only affect what the recipient gets. I
changed my own auto-reply template quite a few times without problems.

KE> %SUBJECT=""
^^^
You don't need this line to completely change the
subject.

KE> %SUBJECT="Here are my pgp keys!"

KE> Could it be the change of subject that messes everything up? I know
KE> it shouldn't matter, so what am i doing wrong? Thanks for all help
KE> even if it's just to tell me to go RTFM.

No, I change my subject as well in my auto-reply. This is a good thing
to do because if, the recipient sends you a thank you note or wishes to
indicate a problem with the auto-reply then the filter will latch on to
"send_pgp_keys" in the reply and resend the keys. Not to mention
problems with running your own tests. :-)

I'd put the filter aside and think of other things. If there's nothing
else to pin the problem on then the only alternative would be to
recreate the filter. There have been a number of reports about filters
suddenly not working anymore when they were just working previously,
despite the filter not being adjusted in any way. I've never personally
experienced this. Usually when one of my filter breaks in such a way
it's because I added another filter, which created problems with the
filter rule ordering. You should check if this is your problem first.
Did you change the position of the key request filter in the filter rule
listing either manually or indirectly by adding other filters?

Also check if you inadvertently changed other settings. Is the 'manual
only' switch enabled? Is the 'active' switch disabled?

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Another question on filters and templates

[Krister Ekstrom]

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Hi Bat! people!

Hi again.
I have a filter that is set up to send out pgp keys to those
requesting it. I changed the template for the auto reply and suddenly
my filters have stopped working. filter is set up like this.
Name: pgp-sendkeys
Move to: trash.
Signalstrings  Location  Presence
send_pgp_keys  Subject   Yes

I have actions set to create an auto-reply with my keys attached.
Here's the auto-reply template:
Hello %OFromFName,

Thank you for requesting my pgp keys! I have attached them to this message and you can 
import the .asc files into your
public keyring. The rsa key is for compatibilitys sake.

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This  is an automatic response generated by the bat! %thebatversion To
contact  me  via icq, use the number 902032, to reach me via email use
%fromaddr. %signcomplete



%ATTACHFILE="C:\pgpkeys\Krister Ekstrom.asc"
%ATTACHFILE="C:\pgpkeys\Krister Ekstrom(rsa).asc"

%SUBJECT=""
%SUBJECT="Here are my pgp keys!"
Could it be the change of subject that messes everything
up? I know it shouldn't matter, so what am i doing wrong?
Thanks for all help even if it's just to tell me to go
RTFM.

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email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Icq: 902032
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